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arunda online wrote:

My FotoBlog : : phoenicoperus FotoBlog : :

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I thought this was spam… but there are some REALLY good photos on that site! What camera did you use?

I’m going to buy a couple of new lenses for my Canon EOS 300D (Digital Rebel) as a christmas pressent to…. me!!! 🙂 I need a good 50mm zoom and 75-300mm telephoto lense – the 35mm one it came with is too limiting.

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arunda online wrote:

I’m going to buy a couple of new lenses for my Canon EOS 300D (Digital Rebel) as a christmas pressent to…. me!!! 🙂 I need a good 50mm zoom

A 50mm zoom. Right.

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arunda online wrote:

I’m going to buy a couple of new lenses for my Canon EOS 300D (Digital Rebel) as a christmas pressent to…. me!!! 🙂 I need a good 50mm zoom

A 50mm zoom. Right.

???

yes, a 50mm zoom, such as:

http://www.adorama.com/SG1850EOS.html

But not specifically that one. Going to have a look in some camera shops tomorrow and see if they will let me try before I buy 🙂

I’ve got a 18-55mm zoom on the camera now, but I need one with a wider shot (maybe I should get a 20mm one?) and a proper telephoto lense (75-300mm). The Canon 300D is a bit weird cuz it has a cropped 35mm CCD, which means you effectively "zoom" by cropping, sort of multiplication of 1.6x (apparently?). So it means a 20mm lense isn’t actually as wide angled as it should be…. :/ I need to investigate more!

http://www.cameraking.co.uk/displayProduct1.asp

http://www.photo.net/equipment/canon/300D/EOS_300D_lenses.ht ml

I really dont want to spend more than £300 between two lenses tho!

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On Sat, 11 Dec 2004 00:40:23 +0000, SpaceGirl
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I really dont want to spend more than £300 between two lenses tho!

LOL! If you *really* want to treat yourself the Sigma 12-24 (on an EOS 300D its a 19-38 "equivalent") is a wonderful lens. Otherwise, take a look at the Sigma 20-40 – that’s good too.

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SpaceGirl wrote:

arunda online wrote:

My FotoBlog : : phoenicoperus FotoBlog : :

http://phoenicoperus.blogspot.com

I thought this was spam… but there are some REALLY good photos on that site! What camera did you use?

When you had a good meal in a restaurant, do you ask the chef what kind of pots he used?
Do you think buying a Steinway will make you a good pianist? Do you know what paint brushes Van Gogh used? I really want to paint like him
Etc etc etc

Stephan

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On Sat, 11 Dec 2004 00:40:23 +0000, SpaceGirl
wrote:

I really dont want to spend more than £300 between two lenses tho!

LOL! If you *really* want to treat yourself the Sigma 12-24 (on an EOS 300D its a 19-38 "equivalent") is a wonderful lens. Otherwise, take a look at the Sigma 20-40 – that’s good too.

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I picked up an Canon EF 75-300mm USM Mk III lense today for just £90!!!! Second hand, but mint condition with box and caps and a couple over brand new UV filters, plus a 3 year guarentee 😀

A 12-24 would cost a fortune, wont it? The guy at the camera shop said the really wide angle lenses cost a bomb. The ones he had in stock STARTED at £300 EACH.

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Fi Nishing wrote:

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arunda online wrote:

I’m going to buy a couple of new lenses for my Canon EOS 300D (Digital Rebel) as a christmas pressent to…. me!!! 🙂 I need a good 50mm zoom

A 50mm zoom. Right.

???

yes, a 50mm zoom, such as:

http://www.adorama.com/SG1850EOS.html

But not specifically that one. Going to have a look in some camera shops tomorrow and see if they will let me try before I buy 🙂
I’ve got a 18-55mm zoom on the camera now, but I need one with a wider shot (maybe I should get a 20mm one?) and a proper telephoto lense (75-300mm). The Canon 300D is a bit weird cuz it has a cropped 35mm CCD, which means you effectively "zoom" by cropping, sort of multiplication of
1.6x (apparently?). So it means a 20mm lense isn’t actually as wide angled
as it should be…. :/ I need to investigate more!

http://www.cameraking.co.uk/displayProduct1.asp

http://www.photo.net/equipment/canon/300D/EOS_300D_lenses.ht ml
I really dont want to spend more than

MOP wrote:

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Fi Nishing wrote:

"SpaceGirl" wrote in message

arunda online wrote:

I’m going to buy a couple of new lenses for my Canon EOS 300D (Digital Rebel) as a christmas pressent to…. me!!! 🙂 I need a good 50mm zoom

A 50mm zoom. Right.

???

yes, a 50mm zoom, such as:

http://www.adorama.com/SG1850EOS.html

But not specifically that one. Going to have a look in some camera shops tomorrow and see if they will let me try before I buy 🙂
I’ve got a 18-55mm zoom on the camera now, but I need one with a wider shot (maybe I should get a 20mm one?) and a proper telephoto lense (75-300mm). The Canon 300D is a bit weird cuz it has a cropped 35mm CCD, which means you effectively "zoom" by cropping, sort of multiplication of
1.6x (apparently?). So it means a 20mm lense isn’t actually as wide angled
as it should be…. :/ I need to investigate more!

http://www.cameraking.co.uk/displayProduct1.asp

http://www.photo.net/equipment/canon/300D/EOS_300D_lenses.ht ml
I really dont want to spend more than £300 between two lenses tho!

I think you should get your terminology right and a little more accurate it might save you a bit of the silliness you have already seen from the previous posting
firstly you said "50mm zoom" when what you meant was 18 -50mm zoom a 50mm lens is a fixed length lens and not a zoom hence the comment from ‘Fi Nishing’

Okay! 🙂 When it comes to digital photography I’m no expert that’s for sure…

Then you said 75mm-300mm telephoto well that’s not correct either it’s a zoom you want!
the term telephoto is specifically a lens of *fixed* focal length, where the focal length is longer than the actual physical length of the lens a technology usually used for longer lenses 200mm+ the same technology applied to a long lens of variable focal length is called a long zoom. sometimes *incorrectly* called a telephoto zoom, can’t be both!

Okay, well blame the Canon catalogue I had in front of me then!

You also said a 20mm is not really a wide angle 20mm x 1.6 = 32mm (on 35mm) which is still a wide angle, usually anything less than about 48mm (on 35mm) which is 30mm (on digital) is called a wide angle
{Oh! bring back angles of view like in the old days when we used loads of different of formats}

I’ve got a 18-55mm lense which I use for quick pictures. It’s ‘farily’ wide, but I was looking for something a lot wider. I really need to do more research I think.

The rest of what you say is quite correct except it’s not just the Canon that has a smaller ccd nearly all digital cameras have a small size chip. the general philosophy is to have a short zoom something like a 17 to 80mm which is normally specifically designed for the smaller chip and won’t cover the full 35mm film frame, then all your other lenses can be of conventional design and will work on both film and digital. one thing to say here is the good old 50mm f1.8 or f1.4 standard lens has been virtually lost from most peoples camera bag in favour of the standard zoom.
The 50mm f1.4/1.8 is a great lens for digital and especially portraits, firstly it is probably two stops wider than most zooms so has two advantages it works better in low light and has a smaller depth of field due to the larger aperture. and for the reason mentioned above has a narower angle of view with the smaller ccd making it an ideal portrait lens, and the best thing yet is the price. I gave a friend of mine a fixed 50mm f1.4 and a 80mm f1.8 lens and they use them all the time for band photography, getting shots when all the photographers using zoom lenses have given up and gone to the bar.

Considering thats EXACTLY the primary use of this camera (we work for bands, mostly web design, but we’re bring pulled more and more to all kindas of hands on promotion work – lots of gig photography etc) that’s really interesting to read. I will have a look into fixed 50mm lenses as well.

Apart from the loss of light the biggest problem with zoom lenses and smaller chips is the vast increase in the depth of field, which is why many modern photographer’s pictures look uninteresting as too much of the picture is in focus, fine if that’s what you require but if you want to isolate a part of the picture and have parts out of focus you might have to resort to Photoshop and the blur filters.

The 300D has some pretty good depth of feild functions… We were doing a photoshoot in a retail shop a few days ago with different focal lenths. Got some really interesting almost-macro shots with the 18-55mm lense. Really poor lighting (lots of white shop spots) and the slightest movement caused awful blurring. Tripod shots were perfect tho.

And before anyone tells me the depth of field is the same on digital as 35mm with the same angle of view.
you are wrong! if you don’t beleive me ask a photographer who is use to using a 10"x8" plate camera or read page 79 in "The Manual of Photography" Focal Press, 1978, London.

You obviously know LOTS about these and I really appreciate the time taken in explaining the above! Perhaps we could have an email off line about this sometime? I’ve had my 300D about 9 months but I am SO NOT getting the best out of it I’m sure!

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On Sat, 11 Dec 2004 15:50:02 +0000, SpaceGirl
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I picked up an Canon EF 75-300mm USM Mk III lense today for just £90!!!! Second hand, but mint condition with box and caps and a couple over brand new UV filters, plus a 3 year guarentee 😀

A 12-24 would cost a fortune, wont it? The guy at the camera shop said the really wide angle lenses cost a bomb. The ones he had in stock STARTED at £300 EACH.

Pounds, OK, you’re in the UK Good. Don’t buy from shops. Buy online. I’d recommend Park Cameras (www.parkcameras.com). It doesn’t mean the ,lenses are cheap, just that they’re a *lot* cheaper. And they’ve been around quite a long time and are Canon/Nikon experts. The same with second hand. Try MXV photographic – they have a small stock, but their prices are worth waiting for if you have a specific request (www.mxvphotographic.com).

A 12-24 is *not* cheap (£469 at Park) but the 20-40 is more reasonable (£399). If that’s still too much then try the Sigma 17-35 (330 at Park) or Sigma 24-60 (£300 at Park). if all those are out of your range than the other one you might like to try is the Sigma 24-135 2.8-4.5 (£240 at Sigma).

If you check out MXV, OTOH, you’ll see that they have a Sigma 17-35
2.8-4 at £189 (stock number C25341) and a Canon 20-35 3.5-4.5 at £225
(stock number A55754) . There’s also a nice mint condition Tamron 19-35 3.5-4.5 at only £139 (stock number C25391).

Hope that helps 🙂

P&M

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On Sat, 11 Dec 2004 16:09:45 GMT, "MOP" wrote:

Then you said 75mm-300mm telephoto well that’s not correct either it’s a zoom you want!

Pedant! It may be "technically" correct, but I defy you to find any major camera-selling organisation which does *not* advertise "wide-angle zooms" and "telephoto zooms". It may not be "technically correct" but it only matters to the people who make them, and members of camera clubs for whom the equipment is more important than the images.

LTFU!

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On Sat, 11 Dec 2004 16:09:45 GMT, "MOP" wrote:

Then you said 75mm-300mm telephoto well that’s not correct either it’s a zoom you want!

Pedant! It may be "technically" correct, but I defy you to find any major camera-selling organisation which does *not* advertise "wide-angle zooms" and "telephoto zooms". It may not be "technically correct" but it only matters to the people who make them, and members of camera clubs for whom the equipment is more important than the images.

Hecate
If you do a search on *most* camera sites under "Telephoto" which is what SpaceGirl said you won’t find any zoom’s, so yes it does make a difference if you are looking for a zoom lens!

It always helps to know what a product is called before you try and find it! imagine if you thought a motorcycle was called a bike, which is what most people call them including many manufacturers. you would be very dissapointed when you got to the shop. 😎

On Mon, 13 Dec 2004 10:42:46 GMT, "MOP" wrote:

Hecate
If you do a search on *most* camera sites under "Telephoto" which is what SpaceGirl said you won’t find any zoom’s, so yes it does make a difference if you are looking for a zoom lens!

It always helps to know what a product is called before you try and find it! imagine if you thought a motorcycle was called a bike, which is what most people call them including many manufacturers. you would be very dissapointed when you got to the shop. 😎

LOL! Thing is, people don’t do searches. If they want zooms, they click the link for lenses/make/zooms. And there they see "wide-angle" zooms and "telephoto" zooms. I agree that terminology should be correctly used, but most sites will classify them that way and so most people, who don’t have a good knowledge of the terminology will also refer to them that way. That’s all.

The rest of your advice was good though, especially about the 50mm
1.4, although I’d probably look for a fast(ish) 35mm or even the Sigma
20mm 1.8.

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The rest of your advice was good though, especially about the 50mm
1.4, although I’d probably look for a fast(ish) 35mm or even the Sigma
20mm 1.8.

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Hecate thanks
However the point I was making was a 50mm lens used on small chip digital gives the same angle of view as a 80mm when used on a 35mm camera. this angle of view is great of portraits, and because most people don’t use 50mm lenses anymore you can pick them up s/h for next to nothing.

On Tue, 14 Dec 2004 09:38:44 GMT, "MOP" wrote:

The rest of your advice was good though, especially about the 50mm
1.4, although I’d probably look for a fast(ish) 35mm or even the Sigma
20mm 1.8.

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Hecate thanks
However the point I was making was a 50mm lens used on small chip digital gives the same angle of view as a 80mm when used on a 35mm camera. this angle of view is great of portraits, and because most people don’t use 50mm lenses anymore you can pick them up s/h for next to nothing. £50 or so!

I got a Canon 50 1.4 for half price, but it was in mint condition.

I take your point, but I was looking at it the other way – although you do need a short telephoto, I would also be looking for a wide angle of some sort. On a Canon, the angle of view of a 35mm is approx that of 56mm, whereas the 20 is approx. a 32mm lens. So the 20 would give you the view of a modest 2wide angle and the 35mm that of a standard. I agree that your advice, from that POV was absolutely correct though – I think it all boils down to what you want as an image – you look to "zoom" in <g> whereas I’m looking for a more "environmental" image. Neither is wrong 🙂

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