Epson 2100 opinions

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I am thinking of getting the Epson 2100 printer. Does anyone have experience of this printer, good or bad? Any alternative suggestions?

I need A3 roll capability.


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l33r0y
Dec 13, 2004
1290/1290s will be a cheaper alternative with A3 roll….

"John DH" wrote in message
I am thinking of getting the Epson 2100 printer. Does anyone have experience
of this printer, good or bad? Any alternative suggestions?
I need A3 roll capability.


Regards

John D

www.celticgods.co.uk

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Hecate
Dec 14, 2004
On Mon, 13 Dec 2004 18:39:29 -0000, "John DH"
wrote:

I am thinking of getting the Epson 2100 printer. Does anyone have experience of this printer, good or bad? Any alternative suggestions?

Yes. Good. But get a CIS system like the one from Permajet (www.permajet.com).

I need A3 roll capability.

Does that.



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Hecate
Dec 14, 2004
On Mon, 13 Dec 2004 18:43:38 GMT, "l33r0y"
wrote:

1290/1290s will be a cheaper alternative with A3 roll….
And also a not as good alternative.



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drake.art
Dec 14, 2004
Hi John,

The Epson 2100 is an excellent buy if you are looking to print archival prints up to A3+ and require the feature of printing on thick substrates. Can’t comment on the roll feed as mine didn’t come with it.

Personally I only use the printer for archival jobs and thick material and use my HP9300 for the bulk of A3+ work as it is far more cost effective.

Regards,
Julie
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Ryadia
Dec 14, 2004
wrote in message
Hi John,

Personally I only use the printer for archival jobs and thick material and use my HP9300 for the bulk of A3+ work as it is far more cost effective.

Regards,
Julie

On that subject… I use a HP designjet 130. Prints on canvas, paper, foil and photo paper. It makes prints from the Epson 2100/2200 look like they came from a printer designed 4 years ago… Which they do!

The HP is a 6 colour dye ink system… The first one with 75 year permanency and… It prints 24" wide with no length limitation… And… it costs about half as much to run as my 2100 did. This baby goes head to head with the 4000 Epson for quality of output and it’s half the price. I guess that’s why my second one is on back order, HP can’t make enough to go around.

The only negative I have is the smell of the inks. Man are they bad. Ventilation is essential.
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Fixx
Dec 14, 2004
In article <8Ixvd.72295$>,
"Ryadia" wrote:

The HP is a 6 colour dye ink system… The first one with 75 year permanency and… It prints 24" wide with no length limitation… And… it costs about half as much to run as my 2100 did. This baby goes head to head with the 4000 Epson for quality of output and it’s half the price. I guess that’s why my second one is on back order, HP can’t make enough to go around.

So you think HP is as good as Epson if you think permanence and print quality?
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Hecate
Dec 15, 2004
On Tue, 14 Dec 2004 08:42:44 GMT, "Ryadia" wrote:

The HP is a 6 colour dye ink system… The first one with 75 year permanency and…

And their tests results are (where/how/validated by whom?)



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Ryadia
Dec 15, 2004
"Hecate" wrote in message
On Tue, 14 Dec 2004 08:42:44 GMT, "Ryadia" wrote:

The HP is a 6 colour dye ink system… The first one with 75 year
permanency
and…

And their tests results are (where/how/validated by whom?)


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Arrrr Hecate… It’s Christmas. Can’t you show some good cheer here? HP are one of the few printer manufacturers who publish truthful information about the longevity of their paper and ink. Go search the ‘net if it bothers you so much.
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Stephan
Dec 15, 2004
Ryadia wrote:
"Hecate" wrote in message

On Tue, 14 Dec 2004 08:42:44 GMT, "Ryadia" wrote:

The HP is a 6 colour dye ink system… The first one with 75 year

permanency

and…

And their tests results are (where/how/validated by whom?)


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Arrrr Hecate… It’s Christmas. Can’t you show some good cheer here? HP are one of the few printer manufacturers who publish truthful information about the longevity of their paper and ink. Go search the ‘net if it bothers you so much.
Actually Hecate is right.
Epson printers are the reference printers.

Go to www.wilhelm-research.com/
Compare
http://www.wilhelm-research.com/epson/SP4000.htm
to
http://www.wilhelm-research.com/dj130/hp_dj130_preview.html Ans see for yourself that the HP is not as good as you think it is

Stephan
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drake.art
Dec 15, 2004
Hi,

I did have the HP 120nr but found I couldn’t get the business to justify keeping it, there is no dispute from me about the quality of the HP printouts.

That smell is awfull.

Julie
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Ryadia
Dec 15, 2004
"Stephan" wrote in message
Actually Hecate is right.
Epson printers are the reference printers.

Go to www.wilhelm-research.com/
Compare
http://www.wilhelm-research.com/epson/SP4000.htm
to
http://www.wilhelm-research.com/dj130/hp_dj130_preview.html Ans see for yourself that the HP is not as good as you think it is
Stephan

I suppose the fact that Epson financially support (pay for, even) Wilhelm’s "research" which in recent times has come in for much criticism… Escapes you, does it?

In the real world, Stephan… HP rules the roost. Designjet, wide format printers are impecable and leave Epson’s problematical attempts right out of the picture (pun intended).
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xDsrtRat
Dec 15, 2004
"Ryadia" wrote in message
"Stephan" wrote in message
Actually Hecate is right.
Epson printers are the reference printers.

Go to www.wilhelm-research.com/
Compare
http://www.wilhelm-research.com/epson/SP4000.htm
to
http://www.wilhelm-research.com/dj130/hp_dj130_preview.html Ans see for yourself that the HP is not as good as you think it is
Stephan

I suppose the fact that Epson financially support (pay for, even)
Wilhelm’s
"research" which in recent times has come in for much criticism… Escapes you, does it?

In the real world, Stephan… HP rules the roost. Designjet, wide format printers are impecable and leave Epson’s problematical attempts right out
of
the picture (pun intended).
I guess everyone’s entitled to their own ridiculous opinion. Here’s mine: every time I’ve need to purchase an inkjet printer, Epson has won out and for my money, they own the quality inkjet market. For B & W laser printers, I love HP.


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John DH
Dec 15, 2004
Yes. Good. But get a CIS system like the one from Permajet (www.permajet.com).

How does the Permajet inks stand up to the Epson inks. My experience in the past with third party suppliers has never really been that good, particularly when colour matching etc. leaving me to return to the printer manufacturers products. I have to admit to being clumsy with refills as well, but that’s my fault. So has Permajet cracked it for the 2100?

BTW I value the opinions expressed from everyone to my original post. Thank you.


Regards

John D

www.celticgods.co.uk
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Stephan
Dec 15, 2004
Ryadia wrote:
"Stephan" wrote in message

Actually Hecate is right.
Epson printers are the reference printers.

Go to www.wilhelm-research.com/
Compare
http://www.wilhelm-research.com/epson/SP4000.htm
to
http://www.wilhelm-research.com/dj130/hp_dj130_preview.html Ans see for yourself that the HP is not as good as you think it is
Stephan

I suppose the fact that Epson financially support (pay for, even) Wilhelm’s "research" which in recent times has come in for much criticism… Escapes you, does it?

In the real world, Stephan… HP rules the roost. Designjet, wide format printers are impecable and leave Epson’s problematical attempts right out of the picture (pun intended).

How about backing some of your claims for a change?

1) show me any serious site proving the HP is better
2) show me any site criticizing Wilhelm’s research.

Or do you think "Ryadia said so" is enough?

Stephan
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Stephan
Dec 15, 2004
John DH wrote:
Yes. Good. But get a CIS system like the one from Permajet (www.permajet.com).

How does the Permajet inks stand up to the Epson inks. My experience in the past with third party suppliers has never really been that good, particularly when colour matching etc. leaving me to return to the printer manufacturers products. I have to admit to being clumsy with refills as well, but that’s my fault. So has Permajet cracked it for the 2100?
BTW I value the opinions expressed from everyone to my original post. Thank you.

Epson inks were Known for very poor longevity.
Things changed with the ultrachrome inks.Your prints will now last as long as "regular" photos.

Using refills is a very very bad idea: first your images fade incredibly fast in most cases and second you’ll most likely end up ruining your printer.

Stephan
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Ryadia
Dec 15, 2004
"Stephan" wrote in message

How about backing some of your claims for a change?

1) show me any serious site proving the HP is better
2) show me any site criticizing Wilhelm’s research.

Or do you think "Ryadia said so" is enough?

Stephan

Quite clearly Stephen… You read less news than me and what you do read is not industry based because everything I say is gained from trade news publications freely distributed to the printing and graphics trade. Like I said to the lovely (???) Hecate; If it bothers you so much, go do your own research. The concept that a web site exists somewhere to honestly compare printers is flawed in the extreme. In my relm… "Ryadia Said so" is certainly enough.
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Sam
Dec 16, 2004
I have been trying out the continuous ink system from
http://www.InkRepublic.com iINK system for more than 7
months for my 2200. It works really cool, much "more" than what I expected. I bought a system – it can
works for both of my printers. I did not even know that until they told me.

Well, they are very honest to customers, and they dont even want to make money from me "again".
Not like other continuous ink system supplies, their system can only last 3-6 months, and you have
get back to them and buy the whole system again.

Many of the continuous ink systems are based upon a similar system to the way the original
cartridges function. That is, they have the ink sitting in a sponge or batting material in the base of the modified-cartridge, and it slowly drains to
the ink outlet and drains by demand of the head.

The reasons for this design in the original cartridges are to control the ink flow, so it doesn’t just drip out once the ink outlet of the cartridge is punctured and to keep the ink from sloshing around as the head goes back and forth, which could cause vibration in the head carriage movement.

In the continuous ink system system, there are similar concerns if the system uses
standard cartridges which have a hole drilled into each color compartment, into which is a tube that carried new ink.

The main problem with this modified-cartridge system is that the surface of this sponge or
batting can slowly either dry, or it can become an "early filter" in the
system, and the material can get filled with residue, particularly if you are using pigmented inks, which can impede ink flow. Secondary problem can be air bubbles can be temporarily trapped in the sponge or batting, which might end up in the head and could a gap in the ink flow.

Even Epson recognized there was a problem with this cartridge design. The intellege cartridges were, of course, mainly designed to make them difficult to refill, but Epson also made several other changes. They got rid of the batting/sponge material other than a small filter. They added a bunch of baffling to keep the ink from getting too much air surface, which can cause drying and oxidation, and it also slows the flow so they don’t leak, and they added a spring loaded valve at the ink
outlet, and the air vent, again to remove air flow, and leakage. Basically, the new cartridges seal when they are removed.

Now, there are problems with just using a pure ink cartridge, as mentioned above, and Epson’s more complex design has potential problems

for a continuous ink system as well. That’s where InkRepublic.com’s ink dampers come in.
They are designed to allow for ink feed fairly evenly, but without a problem with
siphoning ink or leakage. I believe it is a revolution of continuous ink system.

The continuous ink system systems that have been out there were jury-rigged, and although
they were better than buying individual cartridges each time, they were

not designed from the top down. As a result, I hear about many of these

installation users, either when they first get installed (and the difficulties in getting them to work) or more often, about a year after

they have been installed, when all the problems with the cartridge system comes out of the closet.

With dye inks, they work fairly well for most people. With inks that tend to be either corrosive or have a lot of residue, those systems often become subject to intermittent clogs, etc.

One of the reasons some 3rd party inks have a short installed life is because continuous ink systems tend to
use a air replacement systems for the ink to move. A much better design

would be ink dampers on the head end, and these collapsible ink sacks on the other.

But for my own experience toward using http://www.InkRepublic.com iINK, their
system is pretty well done besides, it is pretty flexible. Which means:

1. I can always apply the same system to most of my Epson printers without purchasing another "whole" unit. I can just buy the new chipsets, that’s it. This is big saving.

2. I can always use pigment and dye ink based on the printout.

3. No clogging, no leaking.

4. The best thing is, I dont have to "stick" with their ink, I can always use the ink from any other 3rd parties along with their system. InkRepublic.com does not enforce their customers using their ink. At least they are more customized and customers oriented.

Regarding the price and the function and environmental consideratioins, I would suggest you guys use a really good continuous ink system that can last longer and can be more flexible, just like the one from http://www.InkRepublic.com

Here are more reference for you:
http://www.inkrepublic.com/members/2200/index.asp
http://www.inkrepublic.com/VideoClips.asp
http://www.inkrepublic.com/VideoClips.asp
http://www.inkrepublic.com/Comparison.asp
http://www.inkrepublic.com/testimonials.asp
http://www.digitalanime.com.br/epson
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Hecate
Dec 16, 2004
On Wed, 15 Dec 2004 12:21:05 -0000, "John DH"
wrote:

Yes. Good. But get a CIS system like the one from Permajet (www.permajet.com).

How does the Permajet inks stand up to the Epson inks. My experience in the past with third party suppliers has never really been that good, particularly when colour matching etc. leaving me to return to the printer manufacturers products. I have to admit to being clumsy with refills as well, but that’s my fault. So has Permajet cracked it for the 2100?

Yes. As far as I’m concerned they are *better* than the Epson inks because they can be used with glossy paper without bronzing.

BTW I value the opinions expressed from everyone to my original post. Thank you.

No problem 🙂



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Hecate
Dec 16, 2004
On Wed, 15 Dec 2004 19:01:08 GMT, Stephan wrote:

Epson inks were Known for very poor longevity.
Things changed with the ultrachrome inks.Your prints will now last as long as "regular" photos.

Using refills is a very very bad idea: first your images fade incredibly fast in most cases and second you’ll most likely end up ruining your printer.
Permajet aren’t refills. You either purchase cartridges or, for the 2100/2200 your only choice is a CIS.



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Hecate
Dec 16, 2004
On Wed, 15 Dec 2004 05:01:31 GMT, "Ryadia" wrote:

Arrrr Hecate… It’s Christmas. Can’t you show some good cheer here? HP are one of the few printer manufacturers who publish truthful information about the longevity of their paper and ink. Go search the ‘net if it bothers you so much.
Sorry, I don’t believe propaganda, I require factual, scientific proof. YMMV.



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Hecate
Dec 16, 2004
On Wed, 15 Dec 2004 10:04:43 GMT, "Ryadia" wrote:

"Stephan" wrote in message
Actually Hecate is right.
Epson printers are the reference printers.

Go to www.wilhelm-research.com/
Compare
http://www.wilhelm-research.com/epson/SP4000.htm
to
http://www.wilhelm-research.com/dj130/hp_dj130_preview.html Ans see for yourself that the HP is not as good as you think it is
Stephan

I suppose the fact that Epson financially support (pay for, even) Wilhelm’s "research" which in recent times has come in for much criticism… Escapes you, does it?

Personally, I regard Wilhelm as flawed because the tests he does are practically irrelevant due to the light source used. If you want to see tests which are more "real world" try Stephen Livick’s take on the subject:

http://www.livick.com/method/inkjet/pg1.htm

In the real world, Stephan… HP rules the roost. Designjet, wide format printers are impecable and leave Epson’s problematical attempts right out of the picture (pun intended).

In your world maybe, but then from your previous post to me, you obviously believe whatever HP tells you.



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Hecate
Dec 16, 2004
On Wed, 15 Dec 2004 05:57:41 -0500, "xDsrtRat" wrote:

I guess everyone’s entitled to their own ridiculous opinion. Here’s mine: every time I’ve need to purchase an inkjet printer, Epson has won out and for my money, they own the quality inkjet market. For B & W laser printers, I love HP

Generally, I wouldn’t buy any other laser, though we did buy a cheap Samsung once which was OK for small, medium quality office jobs.



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Stephan
Dec 16, 2004
"Ryadia" wrote in message
"Stephan" wrote in message

How about backing some of your claims for a change?

1) show me any serious site proving the HP is better
2) show me any site criticizing Wilhelm’s research.

Or do you think "Ryadia said so" is enough?

Stephan

Quite clearly Stephen… You read less news than me and what you do read
is
not industry based because everything I say is gained from trade news publications freely distributed to the printing and graphics trade. Like I said to the lovely (???) Hecate; If it bothers you so much, go do your own research. The concept that a web site exists somewhere to honestly compare printers is flawed in the extreme. In my relm… "Ryadia Said so" is certainly enough.
No, Ryadia said so is worth nothing

Stephan
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Glance
Dec 17, 2004
you can wait for the wide format version of R800 which is also an A3- printer.

http://www.i-love-epson.co.jp/products/printer/inkjet/pxg500 0/pxg50001.htm

Any alternative suggestions ?
Well….. 2100 is unbeatable, so is R800…

I am wondering how does PX-G5000 look like.

I am using my 2100 along with the i-INK system obtained from InkRepublic.com

http://www.inkrepublic.com/Installation.asp
It is pretty neat and clean.
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DaisyCutter
Dec 17, 2004
http://www.InkRepublic.com is holding Year-End sale. Everything is 20% off plus Free shipping to all over the world.

Their bulk ink system is spongeless which means it wont void your warranty.

They do have great solution for R200, R300, RX500, RX600, R800, 1280, 2200, C86 … etc individual cartridge printer.

Take a look:
http://www.inkrepublic.com/Installation.asp
http://www.inkrepublic.com/
http://www.inkrepublic.com/VideoClips.asp
http://www.inkrepublic.com/Testimonials.asp
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Hecate
Dec 20, 2004
On 17 Dec 2004 14:49:04 -0800, "DaisyCutter"
wrote:

http://www.InkRepublic.com is holding Year-End sale. Everything is 20% off plus Free shipping to all over the world.

Their bulk ink system is spongeless which means it wont void your warranty.
No third party CIS system will void your warranty.



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