Background Color Question

On Mon, 20 Dec 2004 08:33:05 -0500, "\(the\)duckster" wrote:

Dear ExperiencedPhotoShopUsers.

I am working with a graphic whose background color according to the background color box is white. When I print, however, it comes out yellow.
If anyone can suggest what I might not be doing correctly, or point me to a place to check for myself, I would be much appreciative.
TIA,

Kelly Kirsch

What does it look like when you soft proof it?

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Can you delete the background so there’s no color whatsoever (make it transparent)? Then the white of the paper would be the "white."

Peadge 🙂

"(the)duckster" wrote in message

Dear ExperiencedPhotoShopUsers.

I am working with a graphic whose background color according to the background color box is white. When I print, however, it comes out

yellow.

If anyone can suggest what I might not be doing correctly, or point me to

a

place to check for myself, I would be much appreciative.
TIA,

Kelly Kirsch

"(the)duckster" wrote in message

Dear ExperiencedPhotoShopUsers.

I am working with a graphic whose background color according to the background color box is white. When I print, however, it comes out yellow.

If anyone can suggest what I might not be doing correctly, or point me to a
place to check for myself, I would be much appreciative.
TIA,

Kelly Kirsch

I may not have understood your question correctly, so this answer may be just too obvious.

Have you tried using the Colour Picker on the Background of the Graphic, and checking the RGB Numbers?

They should be 255-255-255 for White.

The Foreground / Background colour box in the Tools, show what these are set to deliver, they do not have any effect until you next use a Tool.

Roy

"Hecate" asks in message

What does it look like when you soft proof it?

Hecate –

Thank you for your reply. Please forgive my ignorance, but what do you mean by a soft proof? If it’s print preview, then the background is white. When it’s printed, however, it’s yellow.

Kelly Kirsch

"Peadge" advises in message

Can you delete the background so there’s no color whatsoever (make it transparent)? Then the white of the paper would be the "white."

Peadge,

Thank you for your reply. This image is a piece of clip art that saved to a jpg (rgb) and tif file exporting it from a file I created in CorelDraw. So to answer your question correctly (I hope), the background is part of the original art, so I am uncertain as to how I might make the background transparent.

However, I will give your solution a try and let you know how I fare.

Thank you again,

Kelly Kirsch

"Roy" wrote in message > >

I may not have understood your question correctly, so this answer may be just too obvious.

Have you tried using the Colour Picker on the Background of the Graphic,

and

checking the RGB Numbers?

They should be 255-255-255 for White.

Yes and that’s the puzzler. The color picker is indeed 255, 255, 255. Can’t fathom why it’s doing it, or what I have done.

Another poster offered a solution of making the background transparent, so I am going to give that a try.

Thank you for writing,

Kelly Kirsch

The Foreground / Background colour box in the Tools, show what these are

set

to deliver, they do not have any effect until you next use a Tool.
Roy

Peadge wrote:

Can you delete the background so there’s no color whatsoever (make it transparent)? Then the white of the paper would be the "white."
Peadge 🙂

That will most likely result in a yellow fringe around his artwork.

Stephan

"Stephan" wrote in message

That will most likely result in a yellow fringe around his artwork.
Stephan

Stephen,

Based on your observation could it be possible that somewhere I made the background transparent and caused this to happen?

If so, I think I might need to start back with my original file in Corel and re export it, checking my filter settings a bit more carefully.

Thank you kindly for writing and, incidentally, I am a she not a he. 🙂

Kelly Kirsch

On Tue, 21 Dec 2004 13:32:37 -0500, "\(the\)duckster" wrote:

"Hecate" asks in message

What does it look like when you soft proof it?

Hecate –

Thank you for your reply. Please forgive my ignorance, but what do you mean by a soft proof? If it’s print preview, then the background is white. When it’s printed, however, it’s yellow.

Kelly Kirsch

Hi Kelly,

OK, I obviously went past where you’re at – never mind 🙂

Print preview is not an accurate representation. That’s the first thing.

Secondly, you should, if getting 255, 255, 255 have paper white. So here’s an idea. Select all the parts of the image that have 255,255,255 and fill with white and see if you get the same result.

The only reason I can think of for this happening is if the printer driver is getting the wrong value or if the interpretation is off in the driver. Providing that you’re not colour managing in the printer *and* in Photoshop.

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(the)duckster wrote:

"Stephan" wrote in message

That will most likely result in a yellow fringe around his artwork.
Stephan

Stephen,

Based on your observation could it be possible that somewhere I made the background transparent and caused this to happen?

If so, I think I might need to start back with my original file in Corel and re export it, checking my filter settings a bit more carefully.
Thank you kindly for writing and, incidentally, I am a she not a he. 🙂
Kelly Kirsch

I don’t know.
What I meant was: If your background is yellow (or prints) and you erase it, some will be left around your graphic.

Stephan

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"Roy" wrote in message > >

I may not have understood your question correctly, so this answer may be just too obvious.

Have you tried using the Colour Picker on the Background of the Graphic,

and

checking the RGB Numbers?

They should be 255-255-255 for White.

Yes and that’s the puzzler. The color picker is indeed 255, 255, 255. Can’t fathom why it’s doing it, or what I have done.

Another poster offered a solution of making the background transparent, so I am going to give that a try.

Thank you for writing,

Kelly Kirsch

The Foreground / Background colour box in the Tools, show what these are

set

to deliver, they do not have any effect until you next use a Tool.
Roy

duckster,

If the Info Palette shows 255,255,255 with the Color Picker, then the chances are greatest that your printer is at fault, most likely either the driver, or the color settings in your system. As Hecate stated, you should only color manage once, not both with the printer and PS. Do other "whites" print out with yellow cast, or is this image the only one? Are you printing as RGB, or are YOU doing a CMYK conversion? Though desktop printers (in general) are CMYK (or variations) devices, THEY do the best job of the conversion and expect to see an RGB file.

For a test, you might use the Magic Wand and click on the "background." Delete it and print a test. Note: this will yield a rough edge around the art work, but it is only a test. What color did this print? Next, if you have not done so, per above, select another image with known whites and see how it prints. Yellows in place of whites? If not, then there is something in either your image, or the printing process of that image that is causing your problem.

Hope something helps,
Hunt

"Stephan" wrote in message

(the)duckster wrote:

"Stephan" wrote in message

That will most likely result in a yellow fringe around his artwork.
Stephan

Stephen,

Based on your observation could it be possible that somewhere I made the background transparent and caused this to happen?

If so, I think I might need to start back with my original file in Corel

and

re export it, checking my filter settings a bit more carefully.
Thank you kindly for writing and, incidentally, I am a she not a he. 🙂
Kelly Kirsch

I don’t know.
What I meant was: If your background is yellow (or prints) and you erase it, some will be left around your graphic.

Stephan

Kelly,

maybe creating a mask would be better. At least then, any remnants of the background color could be removed. My guess is that if it is clip art, it is probably not incredibly intricate, making selections and masks relatively easy.

What happens when you try to print a brand new file with a pure white background? How about a transparent one? Maybe create a new file that is half white and half transparent and see what it looks like when printed.

Peadge 🙂

If its absolute white, it’s paper base right?
Could the paper be the prolem?
~OvO~

"Hecate" wrote in message

Hi Kelly,

OK, I obviously went past where you’re at – never mind 🙂
Print preview is not an accurate representation. That’s the first thing.

Secondly, you should, if getting 255, 255, 255 have paper white. So here’s an idea. Select all the parts of the image that have 255,255,255 and fill with white and see if you get the same result.

I tried this and got the same result

The only reason I can think of for this happening is if the printer driver is getting the wrong value or if the interpretation is off in the driver. Providing that you’re not colour managing in the printer *and* in Photoshop.

You are correct. Having test my files on another printer – an hp 932c inkjet with excellent results, I have isolated this to the printer – a 4600 hp pcl 6 laser jet. Any file, whether it be a graphic file or software app – PhotoShop, Corel Draw, yielded this yellowing or greenish cast.

I went to HP site, downloaded latest/greatest driver, to no avail. Your comment about color managed both PhotoShop and HP caught my attention so I turned off all color management in PS, still same problem.

Unfortunately, HP live support takes Sunday off and I haven’t got an answer from the online forum, yet.

But at least I know what it isn’t thanks much to you and other posters.

Thank you so much for taking the time to write and offer your suggestions.

Happy New Year.

Kelly Kirsch

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On Sun, 26 Dec 2004 11:22:44 -0500, "\(the\)duckster" wrote:

Unfortunately, HP live support takes Sunday off and I haven’t got an answer from the online forum, yet.

But at least I know what it isn’t thanks much to you and other posters.
Thank you so much for taking the time to write and offer your suggestions.
Happy New Year.

Glad you got some help. Sorry it wasn’t the answer you wanted. Hope that HP gets you a solution. 🙂

Happy New Year to you too 🙂

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