To the person who gave a real answer, thanks. To the others, I thought this was a forum of professionals. My mistake
Its not your mistake Blaine,
This used to be professional forum it got overran by drivel, temporarily I hope, I know Im stretching meaning of temporarily but I still hope.
It bothers me that legitimate question gets stricken by its been discussed to death while get DUEL G5 is fine
Its DUAL Steve, and what part of Windows didnt you understand?
Dont be a stranger here Blaine.
Here is a link to original topic:
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This used to be professional forum it got overran by drivel
Im a professional still, even thuogh i may drivel.
Andrew,
That thread was turning into another platform war which I for one am sick of seeing. The thread was not "axed," it was set to read only.
There’s a big difference. The purpose in setting it read only is more ore less to call a timeout and hope the nonsense ends with that thread.
If a thread were deleted–something done very rarely–you wouldn’t even be able to read it.
Bob
I agree with Andrew’s sentiments, but I also understand Bob’s reasons in setting the topic R/O as I’m sure Andrew does as well. What I’ll add is that while this particular topic is one that seems to frequently arise and thus warrants a reply to the effect of "why not search the forum?", it surprises me how often I’ve tried to perform a search using meaningful keywords and come up with few useful results. I’m sure part of the reason is the simple difference in how we express ourselves. For example a search on "best PC", might not turn up a hit on "best computer" or "perfect system", and certainly a search on a single word could give many ambiguous results.
So, I’d just offer that if someone wants to offer the short reply of "this topic has been discussed before, please search the forum" or similar, perhaps you could also offer at least one link to help those new to the forum to get started. You might even have to perform a search yourself to find such a link and, in turn, find out it’s not as easy as you thought.
I don’t really know that newbies go to the list of FAQs very often when they first enter the forum, but perhaps – if not already there (I’ve not looked) – a topic about "best Photoshop PC" could be added to the FAQs. There are still various factors to consider….budget, type of work performed, RAID vs. none, etc., but I’d think a few useful generalizations could be offered.
Regards,
Daryl
I’m pretty familiar with computer setups and what not. But with computers, there are just SO MANY ASPECTS that result in your overall speed.
Is the OS patched?
Are your drivers certified?
Is your HDD corrupt?
Do you have plentiful RAM?
Does your HDD support fast RPM and a large 8MB+ Buffer?
Are you using AT133 mode or faster?
Was the software bloated?
lol. That and so much more. I’m more interested in posts that talk about how you can optimize Photoshop (as well as customize it), not to mention resources to QUALITY plugins, texture, fonts, and other elements. Can never get enough of that 🙂
I would add that "this topic has been discussed to death" would indicate that there’s a lot of interest in it, and it’s a topic that’s constantly (and rapidly) changing. What was the "best" a few months ago may well be outdated by now.
Edit: Posted that before reading the relevant R/O thread. Never mind.
First of all, while I have used the words discussed to death, I didn’t use them to answer the original post. I simply said that it had been discussed.
Secondly, this type of post will never get an exact answer. And you know what they say about opinions.
Bob
Bob, sorry if I implied that that was your quote, didn’t mean it that way. My point was that (unlike questions about typing the copyright symbol) this is an ever-changing topic. Myself, I like reading other users’ opinions about what hardware is working well with PS and what hardware isn’t.
Nick
That’s just my point. You could have 2 identical computers, down to the model numbers, and just because Timmy’s computer messed with an INI file for Unreal Tournament 2004 which modified a referenced DLL that PS references, Timmy’s PS doesn’t seem to work at all or go haywire.
Computers are like that. The SMALLEST things tick em off. Cause they don’t have tolerance. Computers and software are an exact science. It’s either 0 or 1, and nothing else.
Computers and software are an exact science
….driven by chaos
So, no questions about [De]Activation, printing money, Macintosh vs Windows, new software versions… what else is not allowed to be discussed?
when is a photoshop for Linux coming out?
r_harvey,
You sound a tad bitter. Can you honestly say that you’ve had some God-given right violated on this forum? Would you go to someone’s house and abuse them?
These forums are provided by Adobe. They are, in essence, your host here. If you don’t like the party, leave.
Bob
So it’s things the corporation doesn’t want to hear about, and things that any moderator is tired of hearing about.
These forums are provided by Adobe. They are, in essence, your host here. If you don’t like the party, leave.
And paid for by product sales. And you are their representative–you are at least a volunteer greeter at the front door. It seems an odd way to address customers. I’ve participated less and less in the forums lately; it’s not a happy party–and now a host tells me to go home.
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r_harvey,
I recently read a discussion about editorial censorship on Photoshop’s Windows only user-to-user site –on another list.
Those who still wish to believe that it is a user community; rather than, a corporate site, will also protest any criticism. Criticism is not well received here at any time.
You are a Photoshop user who participates, adds to the list by answering questions, and usually in a to-the-point, civil manner.
Do not leave. Take that kind of rude/bad advice with a grain of salt.
Bob,
Andrew, That thread was turning into another platform war
I didnt post to question moderators judgment shutting down that thread just to express my displeasure that yet another one deteriorated to R/O.
Guess what, I just learned today that our graphics department is re tooling. I was given a choice of either G-5 or PC custom built for my needs. I have valid reasons to go either way but I better debate them with my dog. What do you think?
Got any links to intelligent Mac vs PC discussion WAR threads? 😉
Those who still wish to believe that it is a user community; rather than, a corporate site, will also protest any criticism. Criticism is not well received here at any time.
I see now that it’s just a company, nothing to get personally involved in. That’s good–I have too much of a tendency to become a fan of products and processes.
I see now that it’s foolish to depend on something over which you have no control, and which does not have your best interests at heart.
Take that kind of rude/bad advice with a grain of salt.
I’ll not be fading away because of Mr. Levine’s attitude–unless he decides to lock me out. He is but a symptom of the problem. It really doesn’t matter anymore.
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Got any links to intelligent Mac vs PC discussion WAR threads? 😉
Unfortunately, the next one will be the first.
Bob
First of all, I apologize for my post yesterday. It was out of line.
For the most part you’re an excellent contributer here, but it seems that you do take offense to the fact that this forum is moderated. There are plenty of unmoderated newsgroups. If you find that Len and I are stepping on your toes too much then perhaps you’d be better served there.
Bob
it seems that you do take offense to the fact that this forum is moderated.
Nope, just how. I don’t feel compelled to always voice my opinion or answer every question–I don’t care any more, it’s just a company. When I did care, I didn’t like the idea that my posts can be capriciously swept-away along with any other post that a moderator finds unacceptable. I’m not into insults and one-upmanship.
Another moderator insulted and told me to leave, too. Culling policies like that ensure that you’ll be left with thick-skinned lunks, who don’t value or consider their own words–or anybody else’s intellectual property, either. Artificial selection is leaving you with a less-useful Forum.
You do seem to assume that since I don’t like censorship, I must support crudity. I would be supportive of the Photoshop Lounge if it discussed art, science and writing–but apparently those interested in subjects like that are being driven away. Mass floggings are not having the desired result. I won’t share my view of the systemic issues and their solutions.
If you find that Len and I are stepping on your toes too much then perhaps you’d be better served there.
And he tells me to leave again! Consistent–and repetitive.
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I think ANY kind of WAR thread is nothing less than hilarious. I’ve found SO many people who were like "THINK LIKE ME! DO WHAT I’M CONFORMATABLE WITH!" You go up to those people and say "Hey, jump off a cliff." Sure enough they respond with something along the lines of "You have no right to tell me to do that!" And I always say "Exactly, nor do you have the right to force others to the belief that what YOU think is the only rhyme or reason"
And that usually shuts them up. Hypocritisism. Who needs it? If you’re Pro PC and anti-Mac, fine; who cares? If you love Mac and hate PC, again, fine; who cares?
Nothing gives anyone the right to force another to believe the way they do. It’s about individuality. Everyone should be given the right to chose what they want, and the respect behind their own decisions. YOu have the right not to agree with it.
Like the saying goes, "My right to throw my fist ends where your nose begins" 🙂 Chill peeps.
I didn’t tell you leave. I suggested you might be happier somewhere else. If you want to stay, suit yourself.
Bob
If you want to stay, suit yourself.
Thanks ever so much.
And my other words?
Why can’t we all just get along?
