Digital Negative Extraction

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JDwane
Jan 16, 2005
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Just playing around but does anyone know of a program that converts DNG data back to any readable/saveable format? I can access the thumbnail with Illustrator, Paint Shop Pro, ACDSee, PicaView, and QuickTime Player & Picture Viewer but I can’t get at the data. Interestingly enough, PhotoShop app, browser, nor ImageReady will even access the thumbnail. The spec is wordy about the various RAW formats but doesn’t mention retrieving your archive. Just wondering what the value is in locking up your data like that…

Dwane

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steggy
Jan 16, 2005
JDwane wrote:
Just playing around but does anyone know of a program that converts DNG data back to any readable/saveable format? I can access the thumbnail with Illustrator, Paint Shop Pro, ACDSee, PicaView, and QuickTime Player & Picture Viewer but I can’t get at the data. Interestingly enough, PhotoShop app, browser, nor ImageReady will even access the thumbnail. The spec is wordy about the various RAW formats but doesn’t mention retrieving your archive. Just wondering what the value is in locking up your data like that…

Dwane

Not sure but maybe this will help:

http://www.adobe.com/products/dng/main.html

steg
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nomail
Jan 16, 2005
JDwane wrote:

Just playing around but does anyone know of a program that converts DNG data back to any readable/saveable format? I can access the thumbnail with Illustrator, Paint Shop Pro, ACDSee, PicaView, and QuickTime Player & Picture Viewer but I can’t get at the data. Interestingly enough, PhotoShop app, browser, nor ImageReady will even access the thumbnail. The spec is wordy about the various RAW formats but doesn’t mention retrieving your archive. Just wondering what the value is in locking up your data like that…

DNG is a RAW format, so only a RAW converter can open it (if that converter supports DNG). At this moment, most RAW converters do not yet support DNG. Photoshop CameraRAW does open DNG, if you download the latest version. Obviously, Photoshop Image Browser also supports it, but again you need Photoshop CS and you need to upgrade the browser to the latest version.


Johan W. Elzenga johan<<at>>johanfoto.nl Editor / Photographer http://www.johanfoto.nl/
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Don Pyeatt
Jan 16, 2005
"Johan W. Elzenga" wrote in message
JDwane wrote:

Just playing around but does anyone know of a program that converts
DNG data
back to any readable/saveable format? I can access the thumbnail
with
Illustrator, Paint Shop Pro, ACDSee, PicaView, and QuickTime Player
&
Picture Viewer but I can’t get at the data. Interestingly enough,
PhotoShop
app, browser, nor ImageReady will even access the thumbnail. The
spec is
wordy about the various RAW formats but doesn’t mention retrieving
your
archive. Just wondering what the value is in locking up your data
like
that…

DNG is a RAW format, so only a RAW converter can open it (if that converter supports DNG). At this moment, most RAW converters do not
yet
support DNG. Photoshop CameraRAW does open DNG, if you download the latest version. Obviously, Photoshop Image Browser also supports it,
but
again you need Photoshop CS and you need to upgrade the browser to the latest version.


Johan W. Elzenga johan<<at>>johanfoto.nl Editor / Photographer http://www.johanfoto.nl/

Will Photoshop CameraRAW work with earlier versions of Photoshop?

Don
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Clyde
Jan 16, 2005
Don Pyeatt wrote:
"Johan W. Elzenga" wrote in message

JDwane wrote:

Just playing around but does anyone know of a program that converts

DNG data

back to any readable/saveable format? I can access the thumbnail

with

Illustrator, Paint Shop Pro, ACDSee, PicaView, and QuickTime Player

&

Picture Viewer but I can’t get at the data. Interestingly enough,

PhotoShop

app, browser, nor ImageReady will even access the thumbnail. The

spec is

wordy about the various RAW formats but doesn’t mention retrieving

your

archive. Just wondering what the value is in locking up your data

like

that…

DNG is a RAW format, so only a RAW converter can open it (if that converter supports DNG). At this moment, most RAW converters do not

yet

support DNG. Photoshop CameraRAW does open DNG, if you download the latest version. Obviously, Photoshop Image Browser also supports it,

but

again you need Photoshop CS and you need to upgrade the browser to the latest version.


Johan W. Elzenga johan<<at>>johanfoto.nl Editor / Photographer http://www.johanfoto.nl/

Will Photoshop CameraRAW work with earlier versions of Photoshop?
Don

No.

There was a version for PS 7, but that is no longer available. Of course, it didn’t know anything about DNG.

Clyde
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Clive Croucher
Jan 16, 2005
Don’t know but Irfanview free from www.irfanview.com does handle some raw data images.

Clive

"JDwane" wrote in message
Just playing around but does anyone know of a program that converts DNG data
back to any readable/saveable format? I can access the thumbnail with Illustrator, Paint Shop Pro, ACDSee, PicaView, and QuickTime Player & Picture Viewer but I can’t get at the data. Interestingly enough, PhotoShop
app, browser, nor ImageReady will even access the thumbnail. The spec is wordy about the various RAW formats but doesn’t mention retrieving your archive. Just wondering what the value is in locking up your data like that…

Dwane

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RSD99
Jan 16, 2005
Yes … but be sure to go to the ‘Plugins’ page of the IrfanView site and download the additional software needed … there are a *lot* of them:

http://www.irfanview.com/

"clive" wrote in message
Don’t know but Irfanview free from www.irfanview.com does handle some raw data images.

Clive

"JDwane" wrote in message
Just playing around but does anyone know of a program that converts DNG data
back to any readable/saveable format? I can access the thumbnail with Illustrator, Paint Shop Pro, ACDSee, PicaView, and QuickTime Player & Picture Viewer but I can’t get at the data. Interestingly enough, PhotoShop
app, browser, nor ImageReady will even access the thumbnail. The spec
is
wordy about the various RAW formats but doesn’t mention retrieving your archive. Just wondering what the value is in locking up your data like that…

Dwane

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One Million Pictures
Jan 17, 2005
JDwane wrote:
Just playing around but does anyone know of a program that converts DNG data back to any readable/saveable format? I can access the thumbnail with Illustrator, Paint Shop Pro, ACDSee, PicaView, and QuickTime Player & Picture Viewer but I can’t get at the data. Interestingly enough, PhotoShop app, browser, nor ImageReady will even access the thumbnail. The spec is wordy about the various RAW formats but doesn’t mention retrieving your archive. Just wondering what the value is in locking up your data like that…

Dwane
It would appear that Adobe are attempting the impossible with their DNG format. It relies on a whole industry of companies with patents and secrets worth tens of millions of dollars all agreeing to use this patented format of a third party.

Ask yourself if this is likely and when you conceded it is high UNlikely, move on to other, industry accepted formats to store your images in. If Adobe quietly drop the dng thing when no one else is interested, which application will you retrieve your image with?

Kiah
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JDwane
Jan 17, 2005
Thanks, all. It certainly seems like sending your data to a virtual black hole, doesn’t it? Maybe it’s all a ruse and DNG = Data Now Gone(?)

ciao

"JDwane" wrote in message
Just playing around but does anyone know of a program that converts DNG
data
back to any readable/saveable format? I can access the thumbnail with Illustrator, Paint Shop Pro, ACDSee, PicaView, and QuickTime Player & Picture Viewer but I can’t get at the data. Interestingly enough,
PhotoShop
app, browser, nor ImageReady will even access the thumbnail. The spec is wordy about the various RAW formats but doesn’t mention retrieving your archive. Just wondering what the value is in locking up your data like that…

Dwane

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Clyde
Jan 17, 2005
One Million Pics wrote:
JDwane wrote:

Just playing around but does anyone know of a program that converts DNG data
back to any readable/saveable format? I can access the thumbnail with Illustrator, Paint Shop Pro, ACDSee, PicaView, and QuickTime Player & Picture Viewer but I can’t get at the data. Interestingly enough, PhotoShop
app, browser, nor ImageReady will even access the thumbnail. The spec is wordy about the various RAW formats but doesn’t mention retrieving your archive. Just wondering what the value is in locking up your data like that…

Dwane
It would appear that Adobe are attempting the impossible with their DNG format. It relies on a whole industry of companies with patents and secrets worth tens of millions of dollars all agreeing to use this patented format of a third party.

Ask yourself if this is likely and when you conceded it is high UNlikely, move on to other, industry accepted formats to store your images in. If Adobe quietly drop the dng thing when no one else is interested, which application will you retrieve your image with?
Kiah

I actually believe it IS likely that other companies would pickup DNG as a standard. It IS an open standard. There have been plenty of other open (and not so open) standards that have been adopted industry wide; JPEG, TIFF, PDF, GIF, and even PSD. The question, of course, is if it is useful to anyone.

DNG gives two things that should be appealing to the industry and it’s users. One is that it makes RAW files smaller. That should appeal to digital camera makers and users. Who wouldn’t want to get more RAW pictures on their cards in their cameras?

The second thing that it offers is a standard where there is none. It is a huge pain to users, camera makers, and software developers to have to reinvent the "wheel" for every new camera from every different camera maker. That’s the biggest reason that Adobe came up with DNG. How much do you suppose they spend in development costs just trying to keep up with every new variation of RAW that comes out? I bet it’s way more than they want to be spending.

Besides, what do these companies actually have to gain by all having proprietary RAW formats? They have proprietary lenses and other accessories so they can sell more and make more money. That also tends to keep customers in their camp. However, they don’t actually make any money off their proprietary RAW files. They may have a little ego trip that their software converts their RAW files in "the proper" way, but these companies shouldn’t be in business for ego trips. So, from a money viewpoint, proprietary isn’t worth the trouble.

Clyde
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Hecate
Jan 18, 2005
On Mon, 17 Jan 2005 09:10:30 -0600, Clyde wrote:

Besides, what do these companies actually have to gain by all having proprietary RAW formats?

Kiah is absolutely right.

What do they have to gain?

1. They can sell software to their users. Nikon, for example, only includes Nikon View, not Nikon Capture which manipulates the files.

2. They can sell licences to people for their RAW formats – you can see them using this as a money maker – every time a camera is released it has a new format, and image manipulation software manufacturers have to pay for a license to get the code for the new format.

That’s just for a start.



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Clyde
Jan 18, 2005
Hecate wrote:
On Mon, 17 Jan 2005 09:10:30 -0600, Clyde wrote:

Besides, what do these companies actually have to gain by all having proprietary RAW formats?

Kiah is absolutely right.

What do they have to gain?

1. They can sell software to their users. Nikon, for example, only includes Nikon View, not Nikon Capture which manipulates the files.
2. They can sell licences to people for their RAW formats – you can see them using this as a money maker – every time a camera is released it has a new format, and image manipulation software manufacturers have to pay for a license to get the code for the new format.
That’s just for a start.



Hecate – The Real One

veni, vidi, reliqui

So it comes down to a software battle between Adobe and other image editing vendors vs. the camera makers trying to make a few bucks on software. I guess the market will decide if Adobe Camera RAW, Nikon Capture, or both will win. If Nikon Capture (and the like) really have a market, then the move to DNG might be slow or not at all. If not, then DNG will begin to look good to the camera makers.

Then again, I’m (pretty) sure that one or two camera makers will find supporting Adobe a better marketing move than spending big bucks on software development and put DNG in the camera. That might start a snowball effect. After all, Nikon Capture could also be made to use DNG AND still give smaller RAW files in the camera.

In short, I can’t predict the future. So, we’ll see.

Clyde

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