How to create a not all all cheesey painterly effect?

"crabshell" wrote in message

Hello all,

I have a project whereby I need to turn a large photograph (ultimately 8 meters long — not a billboard but a high resolution image) into a Da Vinci
Last Supper-like painting. With the 1 month timeframe I have it’s unlikely
I can go over every inch/mm of the image with a brush to achieve this effect (but I’ll do what it takes). A filter’s effects are probably not random enough to be appealing. Ultimately this should look like a reasonable facsimile of fine art. Maybe distressed or aged a little too. This image will be printed on cement tile so it will look like a fresco with tile lines (no grout). Does anyone out there have any ideas of how this could be achieved? Which plugins, which brushes, methods, etc? I am a very proficient Photoshop user but I’m a little baffled. This has to look like I spent some serious effort on it. Any Painter pros can chime in
too.

Thanks for any advice!

-crabshell

I found using the drybrush filter quite effective, but not doing the whole picture in one go, I select small parts and apply the appropriate brush settings to just that area, it is very time consuming though. I have just done some Titian style pictures that were 24" x 36" and the viewers at the gallery were very impressed.
MOP

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Hello all,

I have a project whereby I need to turn a large photograph (ultimately 8 meters long — not a billboard but a high resolution image) into a Da Vinci Last Supper-like painting. With the 1 month timeframe I have it’s unlikely I can go over every inch/mm of the image with a brush to achieve this effect (but I’ll do what it takes). A filter’s effects are probably not random enough to be appealing. Ultimately this should look like a reasonable facsimile of fine art. Maybe distressed or aged a little too. This image will be printed on cement tile so it will look like a fresco with tile lines (no grout). Does anyone out there have any ideas of how this could be achieved? Which plugins, which brushes, methods, etc? I am a very proficient Photoshop user but I’m a little baffled. This has to look like I spent some serious effort on it. Any Painter pros can chime in too.

Thanks for any advice!

-crabshell

Speaking from the perspective of MY workflow, the first thing I would do is to take the image into Painter. Its Clone Brush effects are unlimited. The Impasto Brushes, in Clone Mode, would probably be my first pass. This is in the Corel v8 & 9. While I do not have 9 yet, 8 would handle this quite well. After Impasto, maybe a Varnish, then a surface texture with some "cracking." If you have one month for the production of the artwork, and not one month for the total printed output, one could easily learn most of the necessary steps of these brushes. Since Corel took over this program, it has come closer to PS in its interface, and I hear that 9 is closer still. It is not as expensive a program as PS, and may well be worth the effort/expense of trying to find the right plug-ins. I find that while PS has incorporated some of the aspects of Painter, I still take my images into Painter, when I want a "natural media" look. I do not recall the limitations of their demo download, but would check it out, if this were my project.

Good luck,
Hunt

On 19 Jan 2005 15:17:08 GMT, (Hunt) wrote:

Speaking from the perspective of MY workflow, the first thing I would do is to take the image into Painter. Its Clone Brush effects are unlimited. The Impasto Brushes, in Clone Mode, would probably be my first pass. This is in the Corel v8 & 9. While I do not have 9 yet, 8 would handle this quite well. After Impasto, maybe a Varnish, then a surface texture with some "cracking." If you have one month for the production of the artwork, and not one month for the total printed output, one could easily learn most of the necessary steps of these brushes. Since Corel took over this program, it has come closer to PS in its interface, and I hear that 9 is closer still. It is not as expensive a program as PS, and may well be worth the effort/expense of trying to find the right plug-ins. I find that while PS has incorporated some of the aspects of Painter, I still take my images into Painter, when I want a "natural media" look. I do not recall the limitations of their demo download, but would check it out, if this were my project.

What Hunt says. This really is a job for Painter. I’m now using v9 and it’s even better. The range of brushes and media is second to none and is the only solution if you really want a natural media result.

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On 19 Jan 2005 15:17:08 GMT, (Hunt) wrote:

Speaking from the perspective of MY workflow, the first thing I would do is to take the image into Painter. Its Clone Brush effects are unlimited. The Impasto Brushes, in Clone Mode, would probably be my first pass. This is in the Corel v8 & 9. While I do not have 9 yet, 8 would handle this quite well. After Impasto, maybe a Varnish, then a surface texture with some "cracking." If you have one month for the production of the artwork, and not one month for the total printed output, one could easily learn most of the necessary steps of these brushes. Since Corel took over this program, it has come closer to PS in its interface, and I hear that 9 is closer still. It is not as expensive a program as PS, and may well be worth the effort/expense of trying to find the right plug-ins. I find that while PS has incorporated some of the aspects of Painter, I still take my images into Painter, when I want a "natural media" look. I do not recall the limitations of their demo download, but would check it out, if this were my project.

What Hunt says. This really is a job for Painter. I’m now using v9 and it’s even better. The range of brushes and media is second to none and is the only solution if you really want a natural media result.

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You guys are probably right. Now the next challenge — which style to emulate. BTW, Painter 9’s oil paint is nice, no?

-crabshell

Since I have not made the jump to v9 yet, I can’t comment on that one. However, I find that the only "problem" with Painter is the wealth of choices – almost too damned many!!!! When I am doing what I think you are in the process of, I try and imagine the effect that I want to achieve, then form a "game plan." I’ll start with the photo image and then begin using one, or two of the brushes, until I get to a pleasing 1st base. After a Save_As, I then launch into all sorts of brushes, disgarding many attempts, until I have a few that I wish to keep. Again, the Save_As comes in. Finally, I sort through those variations (often this is more difficult than creating them), and choose one to tinker with for my final. Some times, the interaction of brushes, with what has gone before yields interesting "accidents," and I have no compunction to NOT keep those, often claiming that, "that is EXACTLY what I was trying to do," to any who will listen. A few good clients know me too well, and usually mutter, "yeah, right!" under their breath. If I had infinite time, and needed no $ from this, I’d still be working on my first image with each new ver of Painter, and just continue to play with it forever.

Good luck,
Hunt

I appreaciate the good information. Any opinions on graphics tablets? I went the cheap route and got a Graphire. Is an Intuos that much better?

On Wed, 19 Jan 2005 22:04:30 -0600, crabshell
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You guys are probably right. Now the next challenge — which style to emulate. BTW, Painter 9’s oil paint is nice, no?

Yes, I’d try the new Artists Oils in Painter for this. But that’s just a personal preference. If I was you I’d use the new Quick Clone to try out different types of media and see which you like the best.

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On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 11:02:19 -0600, Crabshell
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I appreaciate the good information. Any opinions on graphics tablets? I went the cheap route and got a Graphire. Is an Intuos that much better?

Graphires are fine for image correction. However, if you’re doing any serious work in Painter the extra resolution and size of an Intuos, plus the tilt feature and all sorts of other goodies make an Intuos invaluable. I bought a "used" Intuos 2 A4 from Wacom. It was about 75% of the price of a new one and out of the box looked, well, it had never been out of the box <g> (They sell the ones they’ve taken round shows to use for display etc).

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