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Aug 4, 2008
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I’m in the process of purchasing parts for a new Windows XP home edition 32 bit operating system based computer.

I’m an amateur photographer but I use CS3 which is a memory/processor hog on my current computer so I’d like to optimize my new computer for CS3. On my current XP system I have 2GB of ram, an AMD 1.45GHz single core processor and 128 MB of Video Ram and CS3 can be a little "sluggish" at times. Currently, under Preferences, Performance, I have 1603MB of Available RAM and I’m letting CS3 use 1202MB which is 75% of the Available RAM. I currently have the Scratch Disk set on a different partition on my one hard drive. I have the History States set at 10 and the Cache Levels set at 6.

I’m going to use an AMD 2.8 GHz dual core processor but there is a question as to how much RAM. 32 bit operating systems can only address 4GB of memory so the more RAM on my video card the less memory address for the system RAM.

I planned to install 4GB of dual layer RAM, which the new motherboard supports, and a 1GB video card. Because of the OS memory address limit of 4GB, I’m only going to be able to address 3GB or less of the system memory because of the 1GB on the video card.

I’m not a gamer. Is CS3 going to really benefit from having a video card with 1GB of ram or can I go with either 256MB or 512MB of RAM on the video card?

I also plan to have two hard drives so I can put the CS3 scratch disk on the second hard drive and use that drive for photo and data storage.


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Roberto
Aug 28, 2008
If I am not mistaken the video ram is not calculated as part of the system ram. As for memory on the a video card I would suggest 512MB. Based on things I have seen hinted at by Adobe people the next version of Photoshop is going to make very good use of GPU and memory.
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JD
Aug 28, 2008
Robert Barnett wrote:
If I am not mistaken the video ram is not calculated as part of the system ram. As for memory on the a video card I would suggest 512MB. Based on things I have seen hinted at by Adobe people the next version of Photoshop is going to make very good use of GPU and memory.

I was told a 32 bit operating system like Windows XP only has 4GB of memory address space.

On the new XP system, I installed 4GB of dual layer ram and a video card with 256 MB of ram. Under System Properties, it recognizes 3.25GB of ram.

I have not had a chance to play with PS on the new XP system since I had some problems with the original motherboard.


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Roberto
Aug 29, 2008
Interesting as on my XP and my Vista system both with 4GB of Ram and two ATI Radeon 1650 Pro cards each with 512MB Windows reports only the system memory and not the video ram. I know some laptop computers use system memory for video memory but I have never seen a desktop system do this. How do you know that .25GB is the video ram and just part of the 4GB?

"JD" wrote in message
Robert Barnett wrote:
If I am not mistaken the video ram is not calculated as part of the system ram. As for memory on the a video card I would suggest 512MB. Based on things I have seen hinted at by Adobe people the next version of Photoshop is going to make very good use of GPU and memory.

I was told a 32 bit operating system like Windows XP only has 4GB of memory address space.

On the new XP system, I installed 4GB of dual layer ram and a video card with 256 MB of ram. Under System Properties, it recognizes 3.25GB of ram.
I have not had a chance to play with PS on the new XP system since I had some problems with the original motherboard.


JD..
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JD
Aug 29, 2008
What does your system say? Control Panel, System, General tab. Computer.

Robert Barnett wrote:
Interesting as on my XP and my Vista system both with 4GB of Ram and two ATI Radeon 1650 Pro cards each with 512MB Windows reports only the system memory and not the video ram. I know some laptop computers use system memory for video memory but I have never seen a desktop system do this. How do you know that .25GB is the video ram and just part of the 4GB?

"JD" wrote in message
Robert Barnett wrote:
If I am not mistaken the video ram is not calculated as part of the system ram. As for memory on the a video card I would suggest 512MB. Based on things I have seen hinted at by Adobe people the next version of Photoshop is going to make very good use of GPU and memory.

I was told a 32 bit operating system like Windows XP only has 4GB of memory address space.

On the new XP system, I installed 4GB of dual layer ram and a video card with 256 MB of ram. Under System Properties, it recognizes 3.25GB of ram.

I have not had a chance to play with PS on the new XP system since I had some problems with the original motherboard.


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Roberto
Aug 29, 2008
3GB. I have 4 installed not counting the 1GB of video ram on the two video cards.

Robert

"JD" wrote in message
What does your system say? Control Panel, System, General tab. Computer.
Robert Barnett wrote:
Interesting as on my XP and my Vista system both with 4GB of Ram and two ATI Radeon 1650 Pro cards each with 512MB Windows reports only the system memory and not the video ram. I know some laptop computers use system memory for video memory but I have never seen a desktop system do this. How do you know that .25GB is the video ram and just part of the 4GB?

"JD" wrote in message
Robert Barnett wrote:
If I am not mistaken the video ram is not calculated as part of the system ram. As for memory on the a video card I would suggest 512MB. Based on things I have seen hinted at by Adobe people the next version of Photoshop is going to make very good use of GPU and memory.

I was told a 32 bit operating system like Windows XP only has 4GB of memory address space.

On the new XP system, I installed 4GB of dual layer ram and a video card with 256 MB of ram. Under System Properties, it recognizes 3.25GB of ram.

I have not had a chance to play with PS on the new XP system since I had some problems with the original motherboard.


JD..


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JD
Aug 29, 2008
So you may have 4GB installed, but XP is not able to address 1GB because of your Video card and other components, etc on your computer. I’m not making this up.

http://members.cox.net/slatteryt/RAM.html

Current operating systems, such as Microsoft® Windows® XP, can only use a maximum of 4 GB of address space; however, the amount of memory available to the operating system is less than 4 GB. Certain components within the computer require address space in the 4-GB range. Any address space reserved for these components cannot be used by computer memory.

Robert Barnett wrote:
3GB. I have 4 installed not counting the 1GB of video ram on the two video cards.

Robert

"JD" wrote in message
What does your system say? Control Panel, System, General tab. Computer.
Robert Barnett wrote:
Interesting as on my XP and my Vista system both with 4GB of Ram and two ATI Radeon 1650 Pro cards each with 512MB Windows reports only the system memory and not the video ram. I know some laptop computers use system memory for video memory but I have never seen a desktop system do this. How do you know that .25GB is the video ram and just part of the 4GB?

"JD" wrote in message
Robert Barnett wrote:
If I am not mistaken the video ram is not calculated as part of the system ram. As for memory on the a video card I would suggest 512MB. Based on things I have seen hinted at by Adobe people the next version of Photoshop is going to make very good use of GPU and memory.

I was told a 32 bit operating system like Windows XP only has 4GB of memory address space.

On the new XP system, I installed 4GB of dual layer ram and a video card with 256 MB of ram. Under System Properties, it recognizes
3.25GB of ram.

I have not had a chance to play with PS on the new XP system since I had some problems with the original motherboard.


JD..


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veegerNOSPAM
Aug 29, 2008
On Mon, 04 Aug 2008 10:13:58 -0500, JD wrote:

I’m in the process of purchasing parts for a new Windows XP home edition 32 bit operating system based computer.

I’m an amateur photographer but I use CS3 which is a memory/processor hog on my current computer so I’d like to optimize my new computer for CS3. On my current XP system I have 2GB of ram, an AMD 1.45GHz single core processor and 128 MB of Video Ram and CS3 can be a little "sluggish" at times. Currently, under Preferences, Performance, I have 1603MB of Available RAM and I’m letting CS3 use 1202MB which is 75% of the Available RAM. I currently have the Scratch Disk set on a different partition on my one hard drive. I have the History States set at 10 and the Cache Levels set at 6.

I’m going to use an AMD 2.8 GHz dual core processor but there is a question as to how much RAM. 32 bit operating systems can only address 4GB of memory so the more RAM on my video card the less memory address for the system RAM.

I planned to install 4GB of dual layer RAM, which the new motherboard supports, and a 1GB video card. Because of the OS memory address limit of 4GB, I’m only going to be able to address 3GB or less of the system memory because of the 1GB on the video card.

I’m not a gamer. Is CS3 going to really benefit from having a video card with 1GB of ram or can I go with either 256MB or 512MB of RAM on the video card?

I also plan to have two hard drives so I can put the CS3 scratch disk on the second hard drive and use that drive for photo and data storage.

Sounds to me like you need something like this to increase video memory. (no, I’m not a salesman… I just happen to be looking at this one for my desktop system.)

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Roberto
Aug 29, 2008
I think your wrong. No place from anyone from Microsoft have I ever heard them say that video card memory was included in the OS max. Video card memory is not directly accessed by Windows. It is accessed through the video card’s GPU and is used for video purposes. The limit on system memory is 2GB per application and 2GB for Windows. If Windows was indeed accessing 3GB of the 4 I have and the 1GB of video memory I have it would be reporting 4GB of RAM and not 3. I have never seen anything that indicates Windows counts or can use video memory as system memory.

The web site you provided is not as far as I am concerned a reliable source. Point me to some a page on Microsoft’s site that says this. Until then I don’t believe it. There have been many many discussions of ram usage on the Adobe user forums and not once was it said that your video card memory is used for system memory or counted as system memory. Video card memory is for video card usage.

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JD
Aug 29, 2008
I think this has gone on long enough. You’re right and the MS MVP that wrote the article is wrong.

Robert Barnett wrote:
I think your wrong. No place from anyone from Microsoft have I ever heard them say that video card memory was included in the OS max. Video card memory is not directly accessed by Windows. It is accessed through the video card’s GPU and is used for video purposes. The limit on system memory is 2GB per application and 2GB for Windows. If Windows was indeed accessing 3GB of the 4 I have and the 1GB of video memory I have it would be reporting 4GB of RAM and not 3. I have never seen anything that indicates Windows counts or can use video memory as system memory.
The web site you provided is not as far as I am concerned a reliable source. Point me to some a page on Microsoft’s site that says this. Until then I don’t believe it. There have been many many discussions of ram usage on the Adobe user forums and not once was it said that your video card memory is used for system memory or counted as system memory. Video card memory is for video card usage.

Robert


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Mike Russell
Aug 29, 2008
On Fri, 29 Aug 2008 12:06:00 -0500, JD wrote:

So you may have 4GB installed, but XP is not able to address 1GB because of your Video card and other components, etc on your computer. I’m not making this up.
….
Well, I’ll be darned if you’re not right. Learned something new.

Thanks, JD.

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JD
Aug 29, 2008
Mike Russell wrote:
On Fri, 29 Aug 2008 12:06:00 -0500, JD wrote:

So you may have 4GB installed, but XP is not able to address 1GB because of your Video card and other components, etc on your computer. I’m not making this up.

Well, I’ll be darned if you’re not right. Learned something new.
Thanks, JD.

Robert seems to think that I’m wrong but I’m pretty sure it is correct since my XP has 4GB installed but only shows 3.25.

So, you’re welcome even if I’m wrong. 😉


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ronviers
Aug 31, 2008
On Aug 29, 12:06 pm, JD wrote:

http://members.cox.net/slatteryt/RAM.html

I am not sure this is correct. At least in the days of x86 architecture the Intel did not use memory mapped io. In other words, they used a separate assembly language command to write to a memory device. In other other words, separate pins.
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JD
Aug 31, 2008
wrote:
On Aug 29, 12:06 pm, JD wrote:

http://members.cox.net/slatteryt/RAM.html

I am not sure this is correct. At least in the days of x86 architecture the Intel did not use memory mapped io. In other words, they used a separate assembly language command to write to a memory device. In other other words, separate pins.

All I know is what I’ve produced in this thread. I can tell you that I have 4GB of memory installed on my XP machine and that I have a 256MB video card installed in my machine and the motherboard sees all four of the 1GB memory sticks and the video card but when I open Control Panel and double click on the System icon, under System Properties, the General tab, my XP only sees 3.25GB of RAM.

While I was tech supporting some other problem, I did pull out one memory stick (1GB) and then Windows saw 3GB of RAM. I checked because I was curious.

I’m certainly no memory expert and I’m not trying to challenge anybody. It’s really pretty moot to me now since I’ve built the computer and it works and CS3 works and it’s faster than it was on my old XP machine with 2GB of RAM and a single core processor.


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JD
Sep 7, 2008
I doubt you’ll believe this page either but I’m trying to help:

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/929605

For example, if you have a video card that has 256 MB of onboard memory, that memory must be mapped within the first 4 GB of address space. If 4 GB of system memory is already installed, part of that address space must be reserved by the graphics memory mapping. Graphics memory mapping overwrites a part of the system memory. These conditions reduce the total amount of system memory that is available to the operating system.

Robert Barnett wrote:
I think your wrong. No place from anyone from Microsoft have I ever heard them say that video card memory was included in the OS max. Video card memory is not directly accessed by Windows. It is accessed through the video card’s GPU and is used for video purposes. The limit on system memory is 2GB per application and 2GB for Windows. If Windows was indeed accessing 3GB of the 4 I have and the 1GB of video memory I have it would be reporting 4GB of RAM and not 3. I have never seen anything that indicates Windows counts or can use video memory as system memory.
The web site you provided is not as far as I am concerned a reliable source. Point me to some a page on Microsoft’s site that says this. Until then I don’t believe it. There have been many many discussions of ram usage on the Adobe user forums and not once was it said that your video card memory is used for system memory or counted as system memory. Video card memory is for video card usage.

Robert


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JD
Sep 7, 2008
wrote:
On Aug 29, 12:06 pm, JD wrote:

http://members.cox.net/slatteryt/RAM.html

I am not sure this is correct. At least in the days of x86 architecture the Intel did not use memory mapped io. In other words, they used a separate assembly language command to write to a memory device. In other other words, separate pins.

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/929605

For example, if you have a video card that has 256 MB of onboard memory, that memory must be mapped within the first 4 GB of address space. If 4 GB of system memory is already installed, part of that address space must be reserved by the graphics memory mapping. Graphics memory mapping overwrites a part of the system memory. These conditions reduce the total amount of system memory that is available to the operating system.


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ronviers
Sep 8, 2008
On Sep 7, 7:22 am, JD wrote:
wrote:
On Aug 29, 12:06 pm, JD wrote:

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/929605


JD..

That certainly does appear to be a legit source, and they do explicitly say that Intel uses memory mapped io. That must have come about with the introduction of the PCI protocol. Considering that my original position was founded on programming the PDP/11 and interfacing the Heathkit et-3400a it’s no surprise that I could be a little out of touch:) Thanks for pursuing the issue.

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