Photoshop CS4 Just Around the Corner

CS4 will be announced Sept. 23. It is supposed to be released in Q4 (October to December). From what I understand all of Adobe’s major apps will be updated and released at once unlike CS3.

Robert

I got a bit of photography spam today and it mentioned that the plugins it was selling will be compatible with CS4. On Scott Kelby’s web site there’s a place to sign up for a web cast announcement of CS4.

Steve

Here’s a preview http://creativesuitepodcast.com/index.php?post_id=375336 Looks very promising, but I guess we’re all in for a computer & videocard-update too

Video card possibily. Computer, I don’t think so. If you can run CS3 you can run CS4. But, a good video card with a nice chunk of memory would be a big help.

"Fred" wrote in message

I got a bit of photography spam today and it mentioned that the plugins it was selling will be compatible with CS4. On Scott Kelby’s web site there’s a place to sign up for a web cast announcement of CS4.

Steve

Here’s a preview http://creativesuitepodcast.com/index.php?post_id=375336 Looks very promising, but I guess we’re all in for a computer & videocard-update too

You didn’t reply when I pointed to a MS article, that you requested I do to make the point that using a 32-bit operating system you can’t have 4GB of system memory and 1GB of video card memory and have access to all of the 4GB of system memory:

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/929605

Although the article is for Vista, it relates to any windows 32-bit OS.

The third paragraph under Cause:

For example, if you have a video card that has 256 MB of onboard memory, that memory must be mapped within the first 4 GB of address space. If 4 GB of system memory is already installed, part of that address space must be reserved by the graphics memory mapping. Graphics memory mapping overwrites a part of the system memory. These conditions reduce the total amount of system memory that is available to the operating system.

Robert Barnett wrote:

Video card possibily. Computer, I don’t think so. If you can run CS3 you can run CS4. But, a good video card with a nice chunk of memory would be a big help.

"Fred" wrote in message

I got a bit of photography spam today and it mentioned that the plugins it was selling will be compatible with CS4. On Scott Kelby’s web site there’s a place to sign up for a web cast announcement of CS4.

Steve

Here’s a preview
http://creativesuitepodcast.com/index.php?post_id=375336 Looks very promising, but I guess we’re all in for a computer & videocard-update too

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JD..

"Robert Barnett" wrote in message

I got a bit of photography spam today and it mentioned that the plugins it was selling will be compatible with CS4. On Scott Kelby’s web site there’s a place to sign up for a web cast announcement of CS4.

Video card possibily. Computer, I don’t think so. If you can run CS3 you can run CS4. But, a good video card with a nice chunk of memory would be a big help.

How come video card memory is going to make any difference on PS CS4? You’d only need enough for a 32-bit display at your max resolution, and every modern card has many times more than that. Has CS4 got a radically new way of working? Have you got any links regarding this, if so?

Cheers

ss.

I never said it would be used by Photoshop. But, if your buying a new video card to make use of the GPU support in CS4 you might as well future proof the purchase as much as possible by getting a card with a good amount of memory for when it will be used. PCI-Express slots are going to be around at least another 5 years. I see no point in having to buy a new card for Photoshop with a small amount of memory only to have a need for more in a year or so. An ATI Radeon 1650 card with 512MB is less than $150. I have two of them running now handling three 27" monitors.

Robert

Synapse Syndrome wrote:

"Robert Barnett" wrote in message

I got a bit of photography spam today and it mentioned that the plugins it was selling will be compatible with CS4. On Scott Kelby’s web site there’s a place to sign up for a web cast announcement of CS4.

Video card possibily. Computer, I don’t think so. If you can run CS3 you can run CS4. But, a good video card with a nice chunk of memory would be a big help.

How come video card memory is going to make any difference on PS CS4? You’d only need enough for a 32-bit display at your max resolution, and every modern card has many times more than that. Has CS4 got a radically new way of working? Have you got any links regarding this, if so?
Cheers

ss.

For some reason, Robert seems to think a Photoshop user needs a lot of video card memory but he doesn’t really understand that it’s just not true.

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JD..

Read what I said JD. I said it didn’t right now. Unless of course you have a very large monitor and want to run full resolution with high color, then you need memory to do that. What I siad was if your going to replace your video card to take advantage of the new GPU capabilities in Photoshop then you would be stupid not to spend a couple of dollars more future proofing your new video card by buying one with more memory. You have no idea what companies like Adobe may or may not do with that extra memory in the future or how it may come in to play when one switches to a 64-bit OS. I see no point in spending $100 on a new video card only to find out that in a year or so you have to buy another one because it doesn’t have enough memory to take advantage of new capabilities that software companies may implement. Video cards unlike a lot of computer things don’t go out of fashion as quickly, but you might as well hedge your bets and plan ahead.

Robert

Also JD. You haven’t got a clue as to what Photoshop CS4 may or may not need. So it could very well need the extra memory. As a beta tester with access to the CS4 betas of all of Adobe’s products I can’t confirm or deny anything beyond what Adobe has said publicly and that is Photoshop CS4 WILL use the video card GPU and that not all video cards are up to the task. Some people are going to have to upgrade. If you watched the keynote address from Adobe at Photoshop World you will see that the GPU is going to make a very large difference in how you use Photoshop and how quickly Photoshop works.

Robert

Robert Barnett wrote:

Read what I said JD. I said it didn’t right now. Unless of course you have a very large monitor and want to run full resolution with high color, then you need memory to do that. What I siad was if your going to replace your video card to take advantage of the new GPU capabilities in Photoshop then you would be stupid not to spend a couple of dollars more future proofing your new video card by buying one with more memory. You have no idea what companies like Adobe may or may not do with that extra memory in the future or how it may come in to play when one switches to a 64-bit OS. I see no point in spending $100 on a new video card only to find out that in a year or so you have to buy another one because it doesn’t have enough memory to take advantage of new capabilities that software companies may implement. Video cards unlike a lot of computer things don’t go out of fashion as quickly, but you might as well hedge your bets and plan ahead.

Robert

When you top post and reply twice, it makes it hard to follow a thread and it makes it hard for me to reply to you. You remove the discussion and only post your reply.

If we’re talking about a 64-bit OS, then excessive video RAM shouldn’t present any problems.

As we were discussing earlier, on a 32-bit OS, excessive video RAM will reduce the amount of memory address space available for system RAM. You did not believe this and I offered a link that you did not respond to:

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/929605

Although this article was written for Vista, the principle applies to any Windows based 32-bit OS.

It is a compromise that each user should decide on their own. If the user has less than 4GB of system RAM then there is no problem but if a user has 4GB of system RAM then they need to know what will happen when they use a video card with excessive RAM.

Also, the word is you’re (short for you are) not your(possessive of you), as used by you, "What I siad was if your going to replace your video card." I figure the siad was a typo.

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JD..

On Sun, 21 Sep 2008 09:39:27 -0500, JD wrote:

When you top post and reply twice, it makes it hard to follow a thread and it makes it hard for me to reply to you. You remove the discussion and only post your reply.

As a standard, I never reply to top posters.
I also stopped explaining it to them, but simply ignore them.

On Sun, 21 Sep 2008 09:39:27 -0500, JD wrote:

It is a compromise that each user should decide on their own. If the user has less than 4GB of system RAM then there is no problem but if a user has 4GB of system RAM then they need to know what will happen when they use a video card with excessive RAM.

….There’s a /3GB switch, IIRC, that allows you to access this RAM if you’re running SP2. However, I’ve found that any AGP or standard PCI video card running over 64MB of VRAM will see some problems. Mostly odd system crashes – especially in 3D Studio, which is where I really need the 4GB of RAM at times – that go away if you quit invoking the switch.
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OM wrote:

On Sun, 21 Sep 2008 09:39:27 -0500, JD wrote:

It is a compromise that each user should decide on their own. If the user has less than 4GB of system RAM then there is no problem but if a user has 4GB of system RAM then they need to know what will happen when they use a video card with excessive RAM.

…There’s a /3GB switch, IIRC, that allows you to access this RAM if you’re running SP2. However, I’ve found that any AGP or standard PCI video card running over 64MB of VRAM will see some problems. Mostly odd system crashes – especially in 3D Studio, which is where I really need the 4GB of RAM at times – that go away if you quit invoking the switch.
OM

How about a little more information on the /3GB switch? Like where is it? I’m running a PCI-e card on the new computer so I’m not sure how it handles VRAM. Seems like I read about your switch but it was for 64-bit operating systems.

Believe me, I’ve tried to use all the RAM I can and it appears I can’t beat the OS memory address limit of 4GB. Sometimes I got to know when to move on to fight a different windmill.

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On Sun, 21 Sep 2008 20:21:05 -0500, JD wrote:

How about a little more information on the /3GB switch? Like where is it? I’m running a PCI-e card on the new computer so I’m not sure how it handles VRAM. Seems like I read about your switch but it was for 64-bit operating systems.

….In order:

1) Last I looked,
http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/bb124810.aspx should give you the info on the switch. Its a Command Line switch that you have to boot Windows with, and you have to set a Startup and Recovery Environment Variable to make it work the next time you reboot.

2) Here’s a couple of additional links to help understand the /3GB situation. Watch the wo
rd wrap on some of those links:

http://blogs.msdn.com/oldnewthing/archive/2004/08/05/208908. aspx http://blogs.msdn.com/tadd/archive/2008/08/04/the-windows-se rver-2003-3gb-switch-is-not-supported-in-windows-sharepoint- services-2-0-or-in-later-versions-or-in-sharepoint-portal-se rver-2003-sp2-or-in-later-versions.aspx
http://usa.autodesk.com/adsk/servlet/ps/item?siteID=123112&a mp;id=8018966&linkID=9243099 http://www.microsoft.com/whdc/system/platform/server/PAE/PAE mem.mspx http://blogs.isaserver.org/shinder/2008/08/21/beware-the-3gb -on-your-isa-firewalls/ http://thatworks.blogspot.com/2007/07/3gb-switch.html
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/833721
http://www.vfxpedia.com/index.php?title=FAQ/3GB_Switch
http://www.photographicworkflow.com/wiki/3GB_Switch
http://www.pronetworks.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=89252
http://forums.microsoft.com/TechNet/ShowPost.aspx?PostID=575 414&SiteID=17 http://forums.techguy.org/hardware/694728-3gb-switch-will-no t-switch.html http://forums.whirlpool.net.au/forum-replies-archive.cfm/712 261.html http://forums.whirlpool.net.au/forum-replies-archive.cfm/712 261.html http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1004&me ssage=24158581 http://www.vistarewired.com/2007/03/29/how-to-enable-more-th an-35-gb-of-memory-in-32-bit-windows-vista
http://www.cadforum.cz/cadforum_en/qaID.asp?tip=5551
http://www.vistaheads.com/forums/microsoft-public-windows-vi sta-general/53145-detect-3gb-switch-programmatically.html
http://www.windowsnetworking.com/kbase/WindowsTips/Windows20 03/AdminTips/Admin/Verifyingthe3GBswitch.html

….There’s about 2 dozen more linka, but these should get you the rough spots. But hey, I could have just snarked off and told you to go masturbate your F1 key, but I’d rather *help* someone that let the trolls screw the group over.

OM
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OM wrote:

On Sun, 21 Sep 2008 20:21:05 -0500, JD wrote:

How about a little more information on the /3GB switch? Like where is it? I’m running a PCI-e card on the new computer so I’m not sure how it handles VRAM. Seems like I read about your switch but it was for 64-bit operating systems.

…In order:

1) Last I looked,
http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/bb124810.aspx should give you the info on the switch. Its a Command Line switch that you have to boot Windows with, and you have to set a Startup and Recovery Environment Variable to make it work the next time you reboot.
2) Here’s a couple of additional links to help understand the /3GB situation. Watch the wo
rd wrap on some of those links:

http://blogs.msdn.com/oldnewthing/archive/2004/08/05/208908. aspx http://blogs.msdn.com/tadd/archive/2008/08/04/the-windows-se rver-2003-3gb-switch-is-not-supported-in-windows-sharepoint- services-2-0-or-in-later-versions-or-in-sharepoint-portal-se rver-2003-sp2-or-in-later-versions.aspx
http://usa.autodesk.com/adsk/servlet/ps/item?siteID=123112&a mp;id=8018966&linkID=9243099 http://www.microsoft.com/whdc/system/platform/server/PAE/PAE mem.mspx http://blogs.isaserver.org/shinder/2008/08/21/beware-the-3gb -on-your-isa-firewalls/ http://thatworks.blogspot.com/2007/07/3gb-switch.html
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/833721
http://www.vfxpedia.com/index.php?title=FAQ/3GB_Switch
http://www.photographicworkflow.com/wiki/3GB_Switch
http://www.pronetworks.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=89252
http://forums.microsoft.com/TechNet/ShowPost.aspx?PostID=575 414&SiteID=17 http://forums.techguy.org/hardware/694728-3gb-switch-will-no t-switch.html http://forums.whirlpool.net.au/forum-replies-archive.cfm/712 261.html http://forums.whirlpool.net.au/forum-replies-archive.cfm/712 261.html http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1004&me ssage=24158581 http://www.vistarewired.com/2007/03/29/how-to-enable-more-th an-35-gb-of-memory-in-32-bit-windows-vista
http://www.cadforum.cz/cadforum_en/qaID.asp?tip=5551
http://www.vistaheads.com/forums/microsoft-public-windows-vi sta-general/53145-detect-3gb-switch-programmatically.html
http://www.windowsnetworking.com/kbase/WindowsTips/Windows20 03/AdminTips/Admin/Verifyingthe3GBswitch.html

…There’s about 2 dozen more linka, but these should get you the rough spots. But hey, I could have just snarked off and told you to go masturbate your F1 key, but I’d rather *help* someone that let the trolls screw the group over.

OM

This may be a little above my level of expertise?

I’ve got 4GB RAM and 256MB RAM on the Video card and the new XP box sees
3.25GB of system RAM. I guess I need a 4GB switch? 😉

CS3 is much faster on the new XP box than the old one so I think I’m done.

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Dave wrote:

On Sun, 21 Sep 2008 09:39:27 -0500, JD wrote:

When you top post and reply twice, it makes it hard to follow a thread and it makes it hard for me to reply to you. You remove the discussion and only post your reply.

As a standard, I never reply to top posters.
I also stopped explaining it to them, but simply ignore them.

I think you’ve hit on something here. I was ask to produce a MS web page that detailed the 4GB memory address limit and then I get no reply to that. Probably doesn’t matter, if he top posted and removed my reply then we’d be back to square one.

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On Mon, 22 Sep 2008 11:59:47 -0500, JD wrote:

I’ve got 4GB RAM and 256MB RAM on the Video card and the new XP box sees
3.25GB of system RAM. I guess I need a 4GB switch? 😉

….I’d suspect so. I doubt system BIOS is taking up a 750MB footprint. Anyway, the first link I listed after the main Micro$oft one should give you an easy step-by-step walkthru.

OM
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OM wrote:

On Mon, 22 Sep 2008 11:59:47 -0500, JD wrote:

I’ve got 4GB RAM and 256MB RAM on the Video card and the new XP box sees
3.25GB of system RAM. I guess I need a 4GB switch? 😉

…I’d suspect so. I doubt system BIOS is taking up a 750MB footprint. Anyway, the first link I listed after the main Micro$oft one should give you an easy step-by-step walkthru.

OM

I’m going to leave it alone for now. Thanks for the input.

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