lcd on the left and crt on the right

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Dec 25, 2008
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I was just noticing what crt brings to the table. I am still a novice at the visual arts, but if you think you can do without a crt – you are crazy.

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John Passaneau
Dec 25, 2008
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I was just noticing what crt brings to the table. I am still a novice at the visual arts, but if you think you can do without a crt – you are crazy.

Sorry I disagree, CRTs are a dead end. you can’t buy a new one that is any good, they waste power, and they drift in color and brightness with time. A good LCD, there are bad (cheap) ones, is just as good for the visual arts as any CRT ever was.

John Passaneau
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Frank Arthur
Dec 25, 2008
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I was just noticing what crt brings to the table. I am still a novice at the visual arts, but if you think you can do without a crt – you are crazy.

And when you graduate from novice you may become sane.
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ronviers
Dec 25, 2008
On Dec 25, 9:19 am, John Passaneau wrote:

Sorry I disagree, CRTs are a dead end. you can’t buy a new one that is any good, they waste power, and they drift in color and brightness with time. A good LCD, there are bad (cheap) ones, is just as good for the visual arts as any CRT ever was.

John Passaneau

I agree, they are a dead end, and I would not buy another one, but I like the blacks and saturation. I will miss it when it goes.
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John Passaneau
Dec 25, 2008
Well if you get the chance look at one of the top of line LCDs. They will blow your socks off. I have never seen a CRT that was any were close to what they look like. It’s just too bad the cost is so high or I would have one.
But for $400 to $500 you can get one that is very good. I’ve heard good things about some Dell models in that price range.

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John Passaneau
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Joe
Dec 25, 2008
John Passaneau wrote:

wrote:
I was just noticing what crt brings to the table. I am still a novice at the visual arts, but if you think you can do without a crt – you are crazy.

Sorry I disagree, CRTs are a dead end. you can’t buy a new one that is any good, they waste power, and they drift in color and brightness with time. A good LCD, there are bad (cheap) ones, is just as good for the visual arts as any CRT ever was.

John Passaneau

Well, I have to agree that you are dead wrong, wrong and wrong on all 3 counts.
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ronviers
Dec 25, 2008
On Dec 25, 3:59 pm, John Passaneau wrote:
Well if you get the chance look at one of the top of line LCDs. They will blow your socks off. I have never seen a CRT that was any were close to what they look like. It’s just too bad the cost is so high or I would have one.
But for $400 to $500 you can get one that is very good. I’ve heard good things about some Dell models in that price range.

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John Passaneau

Yes, mine is a low-end LG. I like it because it is so sharp and bright but has glowy blue for black.
I work mostly on the lcd but if I show someone a photo I usually show it on the crt.
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John Passaneau
Dec 27, 2008
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On Dec 25, 3:59 pm, John Passaneau wrote:
Well if you get the chance look at one of the top of line LCDs. They will blow your socks off. I have never seen a CRT that was any were close to what they look like. It’s just too bad the cost is so high or I would have one.
But for $400 to $500 you can get one that is very good. I’ve heard good things about some Dell models in that price range.

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John Passaneau

Yes, mine is a low-end LG. I like it because it is so sharp and bright but has glowy blue for black.
I work mostly on the lcd but if I show someone a photo I usually show it on the crt.

I think that almost all LCD displays are set way too bright. It just kills the blacks.
If you use a hardware calibrator it will guide you to dimming the brightness down to about 50% of what the factory set it to. I use a hardware calibrator and even the so so screen in my cheap laptop looks OK. Why the factory sets the brightness so high I don’t know, but it does make them look better in a brightly lit store.

John Passaneau
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ronviers
Dec 30, 2008
I just learned the hard way the consequences of working with my monitor too bright. I sent out a series of images that no one liked. I finally got some feedback that they were just too dark. They looked great on my, overly bright lcd, but awful when viewed on a well adjusted screen. So I reduced the brightness and now my whites look red and my midtone neutral looks blue. I have been trying seat-of-the- pants gamma curve adjustments on the individual channels but I am never happy with it. One of these days I will buy some calibration hardware but I have other things I need worse for now. If I really knew what I was doing I could look at it say; ok, I have too much red in my whites and the neutral midtones is blue, so I just need to do so- and-so and Voilà – unfortunately it doesn’t work that way for me.
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Mike Russell
Dec 31, 2008
On Mon, 29 Dec 2008 17:11:24 -0800 (PST), wrote:

I just learned the hard way the consequences of working with my monitor too bright. I sent out a series of images that no one liked. I finally got some feedback that they were just too dark. They looked great on my, overly bright lcd, but awful when viewed on a well adjusted screen. So I reduced the brightness and now my whites look red and my midtone neutral looks blue. I have been trying seat-of-the- pants gamma curve adjustments on the individual channels but I am never happy with it. One of these days I will buy some calibration hardware but I have other things I need worse for now. If I really knew what I was doing I could look at it say; ok, I have too much red in my whites and the neutral midtones is blue, so I just need to do so- and-so and Voilà – unfortunately it doesn’t work that way for me.

One way to deal with this is called "color by the numbers". To verify a neutral gray, for example, make sure the red, green, and blue channels are equal, or nearly so.

Similar logic can be used to set good skin tones and other important colors, and to calibrate your monitor manually, without relying on a colorimeter, and set the black and white points, as well as the overall gamma of your monitor.

Mike Russell – http://www.curvemeister.com
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ronviers
Dec 31, 2008
On Dec 30, 11:47 pm, Mike Russell
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One way to deal with this is called "color by the numbers".  To verify a neutral gray, for example, make sure the red, green, and blue channels are equal, or nearly so.  

Similar logic can be used to set good skin tones and other important colors, and to calibrate your monitor manually, without relying on a colorimeter, and set the black and white points, as well as the overall gamma of your monitor.

Mike Russell -http://www.curvemeister.com

Thanks for the tips. I also find it is good for me if I do not try to make too many adjustments in one sitting. It seems like my brain starts adjusting to my adjustments.
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jason
Jan 5, 2009
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A good LCD, there are bad (cheap) ones, is just as good for the visual arts as any CRT ever was.

John Passaneau

Try this with (almost) any LCD: view an image with your eyes centered left/right-up/down in front of the screen and then move 4 inches in any direction. Did the colors and/or
contrast shift? Nearly all LCD’s suffer from this. CRT’s do not. When my wonderful Sony Artisan display finally croaks, I will probably have to buy a LCD because there just won’t be CRT’s on the market. The only one’s I have seen that were as good as the Artisan are made by Eizo. The prices have come down, but they’ll still take your breath away.

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