viz wrote:
On 6/3/05 2:02 AM, in article , "Clyde"
wrote:
viz wrote:
Having a major hassle getting my Epson R800 to print on Ilford’s Smooth Pearl Paper as per Ilford’s R800 ICC profile (and instructions). If I use the profile the colours are all washed out and wrong. If I just use an RGB (1988) profile, I get close but not as vivid as the test print (Kodak wet chemical printer)… I am unable to adjust via colour management (no effect for some reason). Tried to use Epson Premium Semi-Gloss ICC profile, same result.
I use a Mac, Photoshop CS.
Any ideas? Any sites to have a look at?
TIA
/viz
Hum… I use Ilford’s Galerie Smooth Glossy almost exclusively on my R800. The profile that I downloaded from the Ilford site works wonderfully. I get just what I see on the screen.
I use Photoshop CS, but on Windows. However, if color management is done right, my experience shows that it will work just as well on Windows or Mac. It’s a tad easier to setup on a Mac.
Are you letting Photoshop do the color management or the printer driver? I find that both work pretty well, but it is generally recommended that you let Photoshop manage the color. In short what are your settings? What is your process?
Clyde
Hmmmm – you got a PC – I was going to send you a link to a pdf, but it is in a Stuffit (Mac) format. If you can unpack it try
http://www.ilford.com/html/us_english/prod_html/galerie/IJPR OFILES/profile_l ist.asp
Search R800 and look up "Smooth Pearl". These are the settings that I use.
If not, here goes:
In PS:
Print with Preview:
Show More Options
Color Management
Profile:
IGSPP9_ER800PSPP_0704v02.icc (Ilford’s profile)
Intent: Relative Colorimetric
Print
Copies & Pages:
Print Settings:
Premium Semigloss Photo Paper
Color Management:
No Color Adjustment
Print
My color workspace is Adobe RGB (1988); picture is unadjusted. Camera in this instance is a Canon A70.
What interests me is that I am unable to change any settings in the print menu once I get into Color Management (tried to manually change settings) – something is not right there methinks…
Thanks for your interest 🙂
/viz
Weird. That looks like my settings on my PC.
By setting the profile in PS’s "Print with Preview" you are telling PS to do the color management. The Relative Colorimetric is what Ilford recommends.
The paper settings in the print options is also what they recommend. By using "No Color Adjustment" you are telling the print driver not to do anything to what it is sent. Therefore, PS is doing all the color management. So, the printer driver isn’t trying to use the same ICC/ICM file that PS is using. That would be bad, as you would get doubling up of the color correction.
By not being able to change the setting, it sounds like your printer driver is screwed up. I would completely wipe it out, download the latest one, and install it. Start over with the driver.
The reason is that you need to try color management the other way. Set the Profile in "Print with Preview" to "Printer Color Management". Then in the Color Management section of the printer settings change the "Color Management" to the ICC profile that fits. That way your printer driver will now do the color management.
I’ve found that either way works very well, I’m not sure why Adobe recommends doing the color management in PS. If you get your printer driver working right, you can see what happens with this method. Then we’ll go from there.
BTW, AdobeRGB and others like it are Color Spaces. They define the range and depth of the colors in the picture file. Color management systems in PS or the printer driver use that information to convert FROM. That’s the starting point for it to convert TO the colors defined in the profile that your paper uses.
If your monitor is calibrated correctly (big ‘if’), the color management system in your OS, PS, or printer driver should convert any file with any color space to the correct colors for the profile of your paper. Most papers won’t be able to handle nearly the range of colors that AdobeRGB has, but the conversion should be pretty good.
Clyde
