Red Colour Cast in PS

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I have been playing with PS CS4 to see what it’s like.

I experimented with a portrait (RAW image, imported though ACR, 16-bit, with sRGB colorspace), Done some adjustments in PS, which looks fine in PS, but when I export it to JPEG (save for web, 8-bit) it is too red when I view it in anything except PS. This includes Bridge, IE8, Apple Picture Viewer, MS Paint and Windows Photo Gallery.

Monitor is calibrated using Colorvision Spyder2. Any ideas why the JPEG it’s creating is too red, even though it’s fine is PS?

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rfischer
Mar 27, 2009
Timmo wrote:
I have been playing with PS CS4 to see what it’s like.

I experimented with a portrait (RAW image, imported though ACR, 16-bit, with sRGB colorspace), Done some adjustments in PS, which looks fine in PS, but when I export it to JPEG (save for web, 8-bit) it is too red when I view it in anything except PS. This includes Bridge, IE8, Apple Picture Viewer, MS Paint and Windows Photo Gallery.

Monitor is calibrated using Colorvision Spyder2. Any ideas why the JPEG it’s creating is too red, even though it’s fine is PS?

Wrong color profile? One program or the other isn’t using the correct profile.


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Abe
Apr 1, 2009
"Ray Fischer" wrote in message
I have been playing with PS CS4 to see what it’s like.

I experimented with a portrait (RAW image, imported though ACR, 16-bit, with
sRGB colorspace), Done some adjustments in PS, which looks fine in PS, but when I export it to JPEG (save for web, 8-bit) it is too red when I view it
in anything except PS. This includes Bridge, IE8, Apple Picture Viewer, MS
Paint and Windows Photo Gallery.

Monitor is calibrated using Colorvision Spyder2. Any ideas why the JPEG it’s creating is too red, even though it’s fine is PS?

Wrong color profile? One program or the other isn’t using the correct profile.

Photoshop is the only program not displaying correctly.

Or more to the point, PS displays correctly, but not when you export for web. Working space is sRGB in PS, how much simpler can it get.
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Roy G
Apr 1, 2009
"Timmo" wrote in message
"Ray Fischer" wrote in message
I have been playing with PS CS4 to see what it’s like.

I experimented with a portrait (RAW image, imported though ACR, 16-bit, with
sRGB colorspace), Done some adjustments in PS, which looks fine in PS, but
when I export it to JPEG (save for web, 8-bit) it is too red when I view it
in anything except PS. This includes Bridge, IE8, Apple Picture Viewer, MS
Paint and Windows Photo Gallery.

Monitor is calibrated using Colorvision Spyder2. Any ideas why the JPEG it’s creating is too red, even though it’s fine is PS?

Wrong color profile? One program or the other isn’t using the correct profile.

Photoshop is the only program not displaying correctly.

Or more to the point, PS displays correctly, but not when you export for web. Working space is sRGB in PS, how much simpler can it get.

If the working space profile in Photoshop is sRGB, and the profile tagged onto the Image is also sRGB, then the colours should be very much the same in any program, even those which are not colour management aware.

You say this is not true, so therefore there must be something amiss in the way photoshop is set up.
It could be a lot of things, but the most obvious would be Edit > Colour Settings or View > Proof Set up.
There could be something wrong with the profile choice in either one or both.

Roy G
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Bob Larter
Apr 1, 2009
Roy G wrote:
"Timmo" wrote in message
"Ray Fischer" wrote in message
I have been playing with PS CS4 to see what it’s like.

I experimented with a portrait (RAW image, imported though ACR, 16-bit, with
sRGB colorspace), Done some adjustments in PS, which looks fine in PS, but
when I export it to JPEG (save for web, 8-bit) it is too red when I view it
in anything except PS. This includes Bridge, IE8, Apple Picture Viewer, MS
Paint and Windows Photo Gallery.

Monitor is calibrated using Colorvision Spyder2. Any ideas why the JPEG it’s creating is too red, even though it’s fine is PS?
Wrong color profile? One program or the other isn’t using the correct profile.

Photoshop is the only program not displaying correctly.

Or more to the point, PS displays correctly, but not when you export for web. Working space is sRGB in PS, how much simpler can it get.

If the working space profile in Photoshop is sRGB, and the profile tagged onto the Image is also sRGB, then the colours should be very much the same in any program, even those which are not colour management aware.
You say this is not true, so therefore there must be something amiss in the way photoshop is set up.
It could be a lot of things, but the most obvious would be Edit > Colour Settings or View > Proof Set up.
There could be something wrong with the profile choice in either one or both.

<nods> I think he has View-Proof enabled, with some inappropriate profile.


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me
Apr 1, 2009
On Wed, 1 Apr 2009 16:25:02 +0100, in rec.photo.digital.slr-systems "Roy G" wrote:

"Timmo" wrote in message
"Ray Fischer" wrote in message
I have been playing with PS CS4 to see what it’s like.

I experimented with a portrait (RAW image, imported though ACR, 16-bit, with
sRGB colorspace), Done some adjustments in PS, which looks fine in PS, but
when I export it to JPEG (save for web, 8-bit) it is too red when I view it
in anything except PS. This includes Bridge, IE8, Apple Picture Viewer, MS
Paint and Windows Photo Gallery.

Monitor is calibrated using Colorvision Spyder2. Any ideas why the JPEG it’s creating is too red, even though it’s fine is PS?

Wrong color profile? One program or the other isn’t using the correct profile.

Photoshop is the only program not displaying correctly.

Or more to the point, PS displays correctly, but not when you export for web. Working space is sRGB in PS, how much simpler can it get.

If the working space profile in Photoshop is sRGB, and the profile tagged onto the Image is also sRGB, then the colours should be very much the same in any program, even those which are not colour management aware.
You say this is not true, so therefore there must be something amiss in the way photoshop is set up.
It could be a lot of things, but the most obvious would be Edit > Colour Settings or View > Proof Set up.
There could be something wrong with the profile choice in either one or both.

Maybe a pretty bad monitor profile? To the OP, are the web browsers being used color managed?
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Abe
Apr 3, 2009
"Timmo" wrote in message
I have been playing with PS CS4 to see what it’s like.

I experimented with a portrait (RAW image, imported though ACR, 16-bit, with sRGB colorspace), Done some adjustments in PS, which looks fine in PS, but when I export it to JPEG (save for web, 8-bit) it is too red when I view it in anything except PS. This includes Bridge, IE8, Apple Picture Viewer, MS Paint and Windows Photo Gallery.

Monitor is calibrated using Colorvision Spyder2. Any ideas why the JPEG it’s creating is too red, even though it’s fine is PS?

Cheers for all the relies everyone has submitted so far.

As it doesn’t appear to be a common problem, I think that maybe the problem is EBCAC (Error Between Chair and Computer). Hopefully at the weekend I will get some time to play.

Just for info, Edit > Color Settings is set to Web/Internet and therefore RGB is set to sRGB.

Interestingly enough, if I go to View > Proof Setup, it is set to ‘Working CMYK’ by default, but I am not sure yet whether this could cause the problem or not as I am exporting to JPEG, not printing. I have never experimented with proof settings, so it’s a new area for me. If I change it from ‘Working CMYK’ to ‘Monitor RGB’, it does make the appearance of the image more red, so there maybe something in this.

PS: Just come across the following article (although it refers to printing), which says that proof setup affects the current or active document on the desktop, so I am inclined to think that the problem could be to do with Proof Setup being set to ‘Working CMYK’, even though I am not printing.
http://www.computer-darkroom.com/ps11_colour/ps11_2.htm
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Bob Larter
Apr 3, 2009
Timmo wrote:
PS: Just come across the following article (although it refers to printing), which says that proof setup affects the current or active document on the desktop, so I am inclined to think that the problem could be to do with Proof Setup being set to ‘Working CMYK’, even though I am not printing.

That’s right. Having it set will make PS alter the colours to try to simulate what your photo will look like printed with that process. Turn Proofing off, or set it to sRGB to fix your problem. The downside is that any photos you’ve processed with the incorrect proofing will need to be redone.


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Abe
Apr 6, 2009
"Timmo" wrote in message

Hopefully at the weekend I will get some time to play.

Finally had a few hours to play. Well, by selecting Proof Settings > Monitor RGB, it matches the image that is exported in Save for Web

I am still not happy though, because when I save the image, the colours are still incorrect. The images are still over-saturated/skin tones too red when saving. The only difference is that now I can select Monitor RGB from the proof settings and see that the colours are going to be incorrect before I save them (which I already know).

I don’t understand why the colour shifts when saving? I thought this was the whole point of sRGB, to have a standard colour space that doesn’t rely on embedded ICC profiles?:
http://www.w3.org/Graphics/Color/sRGB

I could understand a shift if I was maybe saving from ProPhoto RGB or Adobe RGB colour spaces, but why from sRGB?

If I go to View > Proof Setup > Windows RGB, the colours look as they should be..

So as a summary:
– Import from ACR in sRGB profile – Colour looks fine
– Select View > Proof Setup > Working CMYK – Colour looks fine – Select View > Proof Setup > Macintosh RGB – Colours are lighter (as expected)
– Select View > Proof Setup > Windows RGB – Colour looks fine – Select View > Proof Setup > Monitor RGB – Colour is over saturated – Save for web – Colour is over saturated (Preview pic for monitor profile is also over-saturated, others are OK)
– Opened saved jpeg on two other computers (in non colour managed browsers) – Colour is over saturated
– Sent it to a friend who deals with web images – He says the same. Colour is over saturated.

As the Windows RGB Proof looks fine, but the Monitor RGB proof doesn’t, I thought that maybe there was a calibration problem. So: – Recalibrated the monitor a couple of times – Still the same – Removed the monitor calibration ICM file and went back to the default standard monitor ICM – Still the same

Maybe I am missing something, but how can this be correct? Looking around the web, it seems that quite a few people are also experiencing this and some web designers are by-passing colour management altogether to overcome this, which seems a bit extreme, but no-one seems to know of another way around it.

As far as I am aware, my monitor isn’t a wide gamut display.
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Bob Larter
Apr 6, 2009
Timmo wrote:
If I go to View > Proof Setup > Windows RGB, the colours look as they should be..

So as a summary:
– Import from ACR in sRGB profile – Colour looks fine
– Select View > Proof Setup > Working CMYK – Colour looks fine – Select View > Proof Setup > Macintosh RGB – Colours are lighter (as expected)
– Select View > Proof Setup > Windows RGB – Colour looks fine – Select View > Proof Setup > Monitor RGB – Colour is over saturated

Just turn off proofing – it’ll make your life a lot easier, & you don’t need it if you’re outputting to sRGB anyway.


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Abe
Apr 6, 2009
"Bob Larter" wrote in message
Timmo wrote:
If I go to View > Proof Setup > Windows RGB, the colours look as they should be..

So as a summary:
– Import from ACR in sRGB profile – Colour looks fine
– Select View > Proof Setup > Working CMYK – Colour looks fine – Select View > Proof Setup > Macintosh RGB – Colours are lighter (as expected)
– Select View > Proof Setup > Windows RGB – Colour looks fine – Select View > Proof Setup > Monitor RGB – Colour is over saturated

Just turn off proofing – it’ll make your life a lot easier, & you don’t need it if you’re outputting to sRGB anyway.

Turning off proofing doesn’t help, because what’s saved for web is not correct. All this will do is make it looks nice in Photoshop, which is meaningless if the output is for web. This is what can’t be right, considering that >95% of people don’t have colour managed software on their computers.

I can turn proofing on, but all that does is let me see that the final image is going to be over-saturated, which I already know (this is without any colour correction BTW, this is just a RAW image converted straight from ACR, without any colour adjustments except white balance).

So, the fact still remains that when I save the image for web/email, the colours are going to look over-saturated to most people. I.E. there is no way to save for web with the correct colours, unless applying a hue/saturation layer and deliberately changing the image to compensate for when it’s exported.

What no-one seems to be able to explain is why when you have a sRGB image, Photoshop boosts saturation when saving that image for web/email use.
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Bob Larter
Apr 7, 2009
Timmo wrote:
"Bob Larter" wrote in message
Timmo wrote:
If I go to View > Proof Setup > Windows RGB, the colours look as they should be..

So as a summary:
– Import from ACR in sRGB profile – Colour looks fine
– Select View > Proof Setup > Working CMYK – Colour looks fine – Select View > Proof Setup > Macintosh RGB – Colours are lighter (as expected)
– Select View > Proof Setup > Windows RGB – Colour looks fine – Select View > Proof Setup > Monitor RGB – Colour is over saturated

Just turn off proofing – it’ll make your life a lot easier, & you don’t need it if you’re outputting to sRGB anyway.

Turning off proofing doesn’t help, because what’s saved for web is not correct. All this will do is make it looks nice in Photoshop, which is meaningless if the output is for web. This is what can’t be right, considering that >95% of people don’t have colour managed software on their computers.

All Windows PCs, monitors assume sRGB. If you process & output sRGB, your images should look okay on any random system.

I can turn proofing on, but all that does is let me see that the final image
is going to be over-saturated,

Again, this show that either your proofing setup or one of your colour-management settings is incorrect. The easiest way to fix your problem is to set everything to sRGB, & re-process your faulty images.

which I already know (this is without any
colour correction BTW, this is just a RAW image converted straight from ACR,
without any colour adjustments except white balance).

So, the fact still remains that when I save the image for web/email, the colours are going to look over-saturated to most people. I.E. there is no way to save for web with the correct colours, unless applying a hue/saturation layer and deliberately changing the image to compensate for when it’s exported.

What no-one seems to be able to explain is why when you have a sRGB image, Photoshop boosts saturation when saving that image for web/email use.

It doesn’t. That’s why it’s obvious that something is wrong with your proofing or colour-management settings. Like I said before, you’ll need to re-process all your shots that you processed with inappropriate settings.


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Mike Russell
Apr 7, 2009
These are the classical symptoms of a bad monitor profile. Proofing with your monitor profile masks the problem because it short-circuits Photoshop’s color management. The various other proofing settings affect color in their own way – for example proofing with CMYK will reduce saturation somewhat, and improve the appearance of the image.

Resetting your prefs by holding ctrl-alt-shift while Photoshop starts is a good first step to try.

After you’ve gotten that out of the way, start by trying to recalibrate your monitor. If that still does not fix the problem, use sRGB as your monitor profile in the Display control panel, "color" tab. If that works, something is wrong with your colorimeter.

Mike Russell – http://www.curvemeister.com
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Bob Larter
Apr 7, 2009
Mike Russell wrote:
These are the classical symptoms of a bad monitor profile.

I keep on telling him that, but he doesn’t seem to be listening.

After you’ve gotten that out of the way, start by trying to recalibrate your monitor. If that still does not fix the problem, use sRGB as your monitor profile in the Display control panel, "color" tab. If that works, something is wrong with your colorimeter.

I pointed that out as well.


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Abe
Apr 8, 2009
"Bob Larter" wrote in message

These are the classical symptoms of a bad monitor profile.

I keep on telling him that, but he doesn’t seem to be listening.

After you’ve gotten that out of the way, start by trying to recalibrate your monitor. If that still does not fix the problem, use sRGB as your monitor profile in the Display control panel, "color" tab. If that works,
something is wrong with your colorimeter.

I pointed that out as well.

Cheers guys, I am listening, which is why I said the following in a previous post:

"As the Windows RGB Proof looks fine, but the Monitor RGB proof doesn’t, I thought that maybe there was a calibration problem. So: – Recalibrated the monitor a couple of times – Still the same – Removed the monitor calibration ICM file and went back to the default standard monitor ICM – Still the same"

I also tried converting new RAW images, but still had the same problem. Just for info, I always use sRGB after a bad experience previously with using ProPhoto colour spaces a few years ago.

I would imagine that the next step for me is to totally uninstall all the colorvision software/delete the ICM profile again and see what happens. I am not sure what will happen, but maybe it’s worth a go?

Just out of interest, what settings does ‘holding ctrl-alt-shift while Photoshop starts’ change?
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Andrew Morton
Apr 8, 2009
Timmo wrote:
Just out of interest, what settings does ‘holding ctrl-alt-shift while Photoshop starts’ change?

It resets all the settings to the defaults.

Have you posted an image on-line so that we can see it on our monitors?

Also, you can set an image to not be colour-managed.

Andrew
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Bob Larter
Apr 10, 2009
Timmo wrote:
Cheers guys, I am listening, which is why I said the following in a previous post:

"As the Windows RGB Proof looks fine, but the Monitor RGB proof doesn’t, I thought that maybe there was a calibration problem. So: – Recalibrated the monitor a couple of times – Still the same – Removed the monitor calibration ICM file and went back to the default standard monitor ICM – Still the same"

That’s because the monitor calibration is probably fine, as you seem to be having no problems with anything but Photoshop.

Like I’ve said before: Have you disabled soft-proofing COMPLETELY in Photoshop? – If not, that’s almost certain to be your problem. You originally said that you had soft-proofing set to a CMYK profile, which will definitely give you weird results if you look at the final image outside of Photoshop. (CMYK print-optimised images will always look pretty strange on an RGB display!)

Mate, we’re trying to help you here, but you’ve got to work with us! ;^)


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Mike Russell
Apr 10, 2009
I do not think it’s a soft proofing issue. Soft proofing mode resets itself when Photoshop is restarted, and the OP only mentioned it in passing as a way to get a normal appearance.

The vast majority of problems like this involve an incorrect, or mis-configured system monitor profile. This one seems to fit the pattern: Photoshop, which relies on the monitor profile for its color calculations, is displaying bad colors when other programs do not.

The profile should be changed by going to Start>Settings>Control Panel>Display>Advanced>Color, and selecting a known standard profile, such as a canned profile from the manufacturer, or the sRGB profile. —
Mike Russell – http://www.curvemeister.com
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Bob Larter
Apr 10, 2009
Mike Russell wrote:
I do not think it’s a soft proofing issue. Soft proofing mode resets itself when Photoshop is restarted, and the OP only mentioned it in passing as a way to get a normal appearance.

The vast majority of problems like this involve an incorrect, or mis-configured system monitor profile. This one seems to fit the pattern: Photoshop, which relies on the monitor profile for its color calculations, is displaying bad colors when other programs do not.

The profile should be changed by going to Start>Settings>Control Panel>Display>Advanced>Color, and selecting a known standard profile, such as a canned profile from the manufacturer, or the sRGB profile.

That’s good advice too.


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Mike Russell
Apr 10, 2009
On Fri, 10 Apr 2009 19:06:40 +1000, Bob Larter wrote:

That’s good advice too.

Thanks – I don’t think though that you need to sign off on everything that is said here – just let it flow, LOL.

Mike Russell – http://www.curvemeister.com
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Bob Larter
Apr 10, 2009
Mike Russell wrote:
On Fri, 10 Apr 2009 19:06:40 +1000, Bob Larter wrote:

That’s good advice too.

Thanks – I don’t think though that you need to sign off on everything that is said here – just let it flow, LOL.

All I do is try to help out when I think I can.


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Abe
Apr 14, 2009
"Bob Larter" wrote in message
Mike Russell wrote:
I do not think it’s a soft proofing issue. Soft proofing mode resets itself when Photoshop is restarted, and the OP only mentioned it in passing
as a way to get a normal appearance.

The vast majority of problems like this involve an incorrect, or mis-configured system monitor profile. This one seems to fit the pattern:
Photoshop, which relies on the monitor profile for its color calculations,
is displaying bad colors when other programs do not. The profile should be changed by going to Start>Settings>Control
Panel>Display>Advanced>Color, and selecting a known standard profile, such
as a canned profile from the manufacturer, or the sRGB profile.

I totally uninstalled all the Colorvision software, deleted the Colorvision ICM profile, reverted to the default monitor ICC profile in Control Panel > Color Management and rebooted. But it’s still over-saturating the colours, on two different monitors.

Mmm, at this stage I think that it’s a Photoshop problem. I am out of ideas.
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Bob Larter
Apr 14, 2009
Timmo wrote:
I totally uninstalled all the Colorvision software, deleted the Colorvision ICM profile, reverted to the default monitor ICC profile in Control Panel > Color Management and rebooted.

Jeez. Rather you than me. ;^)

But it’s still
over-saturating the colours, on two different monitors.

Mmm, at this stage I think that it’s a Photoshop problem. I am out of ideas.

In PhotoShop/CS3:
Shift+Ctrl+K to bring up the colour management settings. Settings: Should be North America General Purpose, or Web Working Spaces RGB should be sRGB
Colour Management Policies should all be "Preserve Embedded Profiles" Profile Mismatches: "Ask when opening" should be checked (this’ll warn you if your camera is set to something other than sRGB)
Restart PS, open a RAW file, & save to Web.

If it’s still no good:
Does Ctrl+Y or Ctrl+Shift+Y do anything to the colours?
If so, you have a proofing problem. As Mike said, Soft-Proofing should reset itself on each restart, but it worth checking all the same.

Hope this helps!


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Mike Russell
Apr 14, 2009
On Tue, 14 Apr 2009 12:04:39 +0100, Timmo wrote:

reverted to the default monitor ICC profile in Control Pane

This would be where I would focus my attention. What is the name of the default monitor ICC profile? Have you tried adding sRGB and using that? —
Mike Russell – http://www.curvemeister.com
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Abe
Apr 18, 2009
"Mike Russell" wrote in message

reverted to the default monitor ICC profile in Control Pane

This would be where I would focus my attention. What is the name of the default monitor ICC profile? Have you tried adding sRGB and using that? —
Mike Russell – http://www.curvemeister.com

Hello Mike

Thanks for your reply.

In Vista Color Management it makes no difference if I stop the colorvision software from running at startup and set any of the following as the default monitor profile/reboot:
1707FPV.icm (Canned Monitor Profile)
Spyder2express.icm (Calibrated Monitor Profile)
sRGB Color Space Profile.icm (Not sure where this profile came from, but tried it anyway)

With any of the above profiles set in the Vista Color Management, Photoshop Monitor Proofing/save as/save for web still boosts the saturation, making skin tones (for example) too red.

The only way I can get around this is to not allow the colorvision software to run during startup and also not assign any icm profiles to the monitors in Vista Color management, which soft of defeats color management, but it’s the best ‘work-a-round’ I have found so far. I am yet to check how the images look on other computers though.

At the moment, I don’t think this issue is a monitor issue, graphics card issue or monitor calibration device issue as people are experiencing this with different monitors (Samsung & Dell), graphics cards (Nvidia & ATI) and color calibration devices (Colorvision/Datavision & X-rite). Therefore, I would imagine that it’s either a Windows issue or a Photoshop issue.

I have gone through hundreds, maybe thousands of posts from people with this issue (the earlier posts started around 2005, so from CS2 where I think Adobe stopped supplying Adobe Gamma?), but no-one seems to have found a solution, except basically disabling/fooling color management in one way or another.
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Mike Russell
Apr 18, 2009
On Sat, 18 Apr 2009 13:08:51 +0100, Timmo wrote:
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In Vista Color Management it makes no difference if I stop the colorvision software from running at startup

Probably not important to stop the colorvision software from running, since it makes only global changes to the video LUT, and this affects all programs equally.

and set any of the following as the default
monitor profile/reboot:
1707FPV.icm (Canned Monitor Profile)
Spyder2express.icm (Calibrated Monitor Profile)
sRGB Color Space Profile.icm (Not sure where this profile came from, but tried it anyway)

These profiles will probably be very similar to one another – see below for a more dramatic experiment to make sure things are working.

With any of the above profiles set in the Vista Color Management, Photoshop Monitor Proofing/save as/save for web still boosts the saturation, making skin tones (for example) too red.

I happen to be running vista 64, with CS4, using the same model of monitor.

The fact that the profile you use makes no difference makes me wonder if you are setting it up in the right place. This would be in the Start>Control Panel>Color Management>Devices>Display>Add, followed by activating a particular profile.

Ok – here’s the *dramatic* experiment:
0) Set your monitor to the sRGB preset- this is under the monitor’s color settings menu item.
1) remove all the profiles from the display profile
2) add the ProPhoto and sRGB profiles
3) select ProPhoto as your display space, and click OK
4) start Photoshop (no need to restart your system)
5) look at the color swatches – they should be very desaturated
6) quit Photoshop
7) open up the Color Management again, and set sRGB
8) go back into Photoshop, and you should see very bright colors in the palettes.

If you do not see a big difference in color saturation between steps 5 and 8, then profiles are not being handled correctly by Vista. Try the same experiment, using Mozilla with You’ll need to focus on this step.

The only way I can get around this is to not allow the colorvision software to run during startup and also not assign any icm profiles to the monitors in Vista Color management, which soft of defeats color management, but it’s the best ‘work-a-round’ I have found so far. I am yet to check how the images look on other computers though.

Probably they look just fine. The 1707FPV has a setting for sRGB mode.

At the moment, I don’t think this issue is a monitor issue, graphics card issue or monitor calibration device issue as people are experiencing this with different monitors (Samsung & Dell), graphics cards (Nvidia & ATI) and color calibration devices (Colorvision/Datavision & X-rite). Therefore, I would imagine that it’s either a Windows issue or a Photoshop issue.

You need to go back and check and re-check. All it takes is a single gap in one of the elements for the whole thing to fail.

I have gone through hundreds, maybe thousands of posts from people with this issue (the earlier posts started around 2005, so from CS2 where I think Adobe stopped supplying Adobe Gamma?), but no-one seems to have found a solution, except basically disabling/fooling color management in one way or another.

Color management remains a stumbling block for a lot of people, even 10+ years after icc profiles became commonplace. Color management is still in a state of over-complexity . IOW: "it’s a mess".

This is how Ethernet was, years, ago, when you almost needed a graduate degree to manage all the hardware and software configuration issues to add another system to a large network. We need an Allan Oppenheimer (inventor of AppleTalk) to come into the color management world, and make things easy to use.

Mike Russell – http://www.curvemeister.com

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