Adobe Gamma confusion

Si wrote:

Hi,

I’m a little confused about Adobe Gamma…

I thought that you used it to calibrate your monitor and then your printer would produce the results you then saw on screen.

You thought wrong. Adobe Gamma only calibrates and profiles your monitor, it doesn’t do anything with the printer.

—
Johan W. Elzenga johan<<at>>johanfoto.nl Editor / Photographer http://www.johanfoto.nl/

"Johan W. Elzenga" wrote in message

Si wrote:

Hi,

I’m a little confused about Adobe Gamma…

I thought that you used it to calibrate your monitor and then your printer
would produce the results you then saw on screen.

You thought wrong. Adobe Gamma only calibrates and profiles your monitor, it doesn’t do anything with the printer.

—
Johan W. Elzenga johan<<at>>johanfoto.nl Editor / Photographer http://www.johanfoto.nl/

Adobe Gamma gets your screen correct, and that is only the first part of Colour Management.

You then need to set up PS to use your Paper / Printer Profiles so that your Printer will also Print the correct colours.
( The same as you see on your calibrated Monitor).

Look up some of the Colour Management websites such as
http://www.computer-darkroom.com/ for more detailed info, or have a read at some of the earlier postings on this group.

It is a bit complicated, but once you have the basic info, it becomes fairly straightforward.

Roy G

"Johan W. Elzenga" wrote in message

Si wrote:

Hi,

I’m a little confused about Adobe Gamma…

I thought that you used it to calibrate your monitor and then your printer
would produce the results you then saw on screen.

You thought wrong. Adobe Gamma only calibrates and profiles your monitor, it doesn’t do anything with the printer.

Aha, so once I’ve calibrated the monitor – if that more or less matches my print output, then I’m half way there…?

Si.

Si wrote:

"Johan W. Elzenga" wrote in message

Si wrote:

Hi,

I’m a little confused about Adobe Gamma…

I thought that you used it to calibrate your monitor and then your printer
would produce the results you then saw on screen.

You thought wrong. Adobe Gamma only calibrates and profiles your monitor, it doesn’t do anything with the printer.

Aha, so once I’ve calibrated the monitor – if that more or less matches my print output, then I’m half way there…?

Yes. Adobe Gamma does nothing more than making sure your monitor displays the colors as good as it can and makes a profile so that programs like Photoshop Elements can make use of that info. You could say that if you’ve calibrated and profiled your monitor, you see the ‘correct’ colors.

In order to let your printer do the same, i.e. print the colors as good as it can within its limits, you have to use a specific printer profile for that printer / paper combination. Just some generic printer profile that is supposed to work with any paper isn’t good enough.

How you should use that profile can be found on those websites that Roy suggested. A Google search will give you plenty others if you want more.

—
Johan W. Elzenga johan<<at>>johanfoto.nl Editor / Photographer http://www.johanfoto.nl/

After you calibrate your monitor, you will need to find a printer profile that best reflects what you see on the monitor. This may or may not be the one provided by the printer company. I found that there was a bit of trial and error that went into finding the most compatible printer profile , but once I found the one that worked, the whole system was near perfect. Worth the effort. BTW, the Epson printer profile for my printer produced terrible results on my system. Bring a pic into PS and print it out several times using a different printer profile each run until you find one that produces the desired results.
Steve

— faith \’fath\ n : firm belief in something for which there is no proof. Webster’s Dictionary

From: "Si"
Reply-To: "Si"
Newsgroups: alt.graphics.photoshop
Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 13:31:59 -0000
Subject: Re: Adobe Gamma confusion

"Johan W. Elzenga" wrote in message

Si wrote:

Hi,

I’m a little confused about Adobe Gamma…

I thought that you used it to calibrate your monitor and then your printer
would produce the results you then saw on screen.

You thought wrong. Adobe Gamma only calibrates and profiles your monitor, it doesn’t do anything with the printer.

Aha, so once I’ve calibrated the monitor – if that more or less matches my print output, then I’m half way there…?

Si.

"Monty Jake Monty" wrote in message

After you calibrate your monitor, you will need to find a printer profile that best reflects what you see on the monitor. This may or may not be the
one provided by the printer company. I found that there was a bit of trial
and error that went into finding the most compatible printer profile , but once I found the one that worked, the whole system was near perfect. Worth
the effort. BTW, the Epson printer profile for my printer produced terrible
results on my system. Bring a pic into PS and print it out several times using a different printer profile each run until you find one that produces
the desired results.
Steve

I’ve just downloaded Epson’s profiles for my model, only to find that selecting ICM in my printer driver and Epson Premium Glossy as my printing space in PS5 produces dark prints.

I’ve found the best success is to use relatively standard settings in my printer driver and choose sRGB as my print space…my camera’s colour space is sRGB – so this makes some sense doesn’t it?

Or, does this mean that I have set my monitor too light, and the ICC profile is correct and that I now need to re calibrate my monitor so that it looks as dark as the prints do when using the Epson profile….?

Si.

Get your monitor as true as you can and make everything else conform to it. Like I said previously, the Epson profile did not work for me at all. I do a lot of print work using outside professional printers and everything comes out as expected from what is represented on my screen and home printer, so I know it’s all working correctly. As a matter of fact, I even use my home printer for pseudo color proofs when one is requested. When you get things working well, you might want to take something to a printer and see how your file looks in the outside world. If it comes back very similar to what you get at home, then you know it’s all in sync. Pardon the pun.

Steve

— faith \’fath\ n : firm belief in something for which there is no proof. Webster’s Dictionary

From: "Si"
Reply-To: "Si"
Newsgroups: alt.graphics.photoshop
Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 18:10:01 -0000
Subject: Re: Adobe Gamma confusion

"Monty Jake Monty" wrote in message

After you calibrate your monitor, you will need to find a printer profile that best reflects what you see on the monitor. This may or may not be the
one provided by the printer company. I found that there was a bit of trial
and error that went into finding the most compatible printer profile , but once I found the one that worked, the whole system was near perfect. Worth
the effort. BTW, the Epson printer profile for my printer produced terrible
results on my system. Bring a pic into PS and print it out several times using a different printer profile each run until you find one that produces
the desired results.
Steve

I’ve just downloaded Epson’s profiles for my model, only to find that selecting ICM in my printer driver and Epson Premium Glossy as my printing space in PS5 produces dark prints.

I’ve found the best success is to use relatively standard settings in my printer driver and choose sRGB as my print space…my camera’s colour space is sRGB – so this makes some sense doesn’t it?

Or, does this mean that I have set my monitor too light, and the ICC profile is correct and that I now need to re calibrate my monitor so that it looks as dark as the prints do when using the Epson profile….?
Si.

Cheers,

As it appears for you, the same has happened for me – the Epson profile just doesn’t work.

What I will do is photograph something with a range of colours – and get my monitor to match that. Then I’ll get my printer to match ….

Si.

"Monty Jake Monty" wrote in message

Get your monitor as true as you can and make everything else conform to it.
Like I said previously, the Epson profile did not work for me at all. I do
a lot of print work using outside professional printers and everything comes out as expected from what is represented on my screen and home printer, so I know it’s all working correctly. As a matter of fact, I even
use my home printer for pseudo color proofs when one is requested. When you
get things working well, you might want to take something to a printer and see how your file looks in the outside world. If it comes back very similar
to what you get at home, then you know it’s all in sync. Pardon the pun.
Steve

— faith \’fath\ n : firm belief in something for which there is no proof.
Webster’s Dictionary

From: "Si"
Reply-To: "Si"
Newsgroups: alt.graphics.photoshop
Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 18:10:01 -0000
Subject: Re: Adobe Gamma confusion

"Monty Jake Monty" wrote in message

After you calibrate your monitor, you will need to find a printer profile
that best reflects what you see on the monitor. This may or may not be the
one provided by the printer company. I found that there was a bit of trial
and error that went into finding the most compatible printer profile , but
once I found the one that worked, the whole system was near perfect. Worth
the effort. BTW, the Epson printer profile for my printer produced terrible
results on my system. Bring a pic into PS and print it out several times
using a different printer profile each run until you find one that produces
the desired results.
Steve

I’ve just downloaded Epson’s profiles for my model, only to find that selecting ICM in my printer driver and Epson Premium Glossy as my printing
space in PS5 produces dark prints.

I’ve found the best success is to use relatively standard settings in my printer driver and choose sRGB as my print space…my camera’s colour space
is sRGB – so this makes some sense doesn’t it?

Or, does this mean that I have set my monitor too light, and the ICC profile
is correct and that I now need to re calibrate my monitor so that it looks
as dark as the prints do when using the Epson profile….?
Si.

Hi Si, its me again.

Did you do any reading on the subject of Colour Management.?

You seem to be getting advice from a few sources, and some of them do not seem to know very much about colour Management.

What you are currently doing causes PS to make corrections and then gets the Printer to make another set of corrections.

You should only Color Manage once.

In PS

Go to Edit > Colour Settings > Workspace Profile choose Adobe RGB.

Print with Preview > More Options > Color Management.

Source Space – should be what you have selected as your workspace Profile.

Print Space – choose the Profile for your Printer and the Paper you are going to use.

Epson Printer Driver

Media Type Choose the paper you are going to use. Colour Ink etc as Normal.

Then go to Custom > Advanced Choose "NO COLOUR MANAGEMENT"

Ps will do the Col Man and the Printer will just print the data PS sends to it, without adding an extra set of corrections.

This is, of course, a very abbreviated set of instructions, but it does include the most important bits.

Have a look at "Printing with Photoshop and Epson Printers" on the "Notices and Info Pages" of www.ayrphoto.co.uk

It is much more detailed, and a lot more long-winded.

Roy G.

"Si" wrote in message

Cheers,

As it appears for you, the same has happened for me – the Epson profile just doesn’t work.

What I will do is photograph something with a range of colours – and get my monitor to match that. Then I’ll get my printer to match ….
Si.

"Monty Jake Monty" wrote in message

Get your monitor as true as you can and make everything else conform to it.
Like I said previously, the Epson profile did not work for me at all. I do
a lot of print work using outside professional printers and everything comes out as expected from what is represented on my screen and home printer, so I know it’s all working correctly. As a matter of fact, I even
use my home printer for pseudo color proofs when one is requested. When you
get things working well, you might want to take something to a printer and
see how your file looks in the outside world. If it comes back very similar
to what you get at home, then you know it’s all in sync. Pardon the pun.
Steve

— faith \’fath\ n : firm belief in something for which there is no proof.
Webster’s Dictionary

From: "Si"
Reply-To: "Si"
Newsgroups: alt.graphics.photoshop
Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 18:10:01 -0000
Subject: Re: Adobe Gamma confusion

"Monty Jake Monty" wrote in message

After you calibrate your monitor, you will need to find a printer profile
that best reflects what you see on the monitor. This may or may not be the
one provided by the printer company. I found that there was a bit of trial
and error that went into finding the most compatible printer profile , but
once I found the one that worked, the whole system was near perfect. Worth
the effort. BTW, the Epson printer profile for my printer produced terrible
results on my system. Bring a pic into PS and print it out several times
using a different printer profile each run until you find one that produces
the desired results.
Steve

I’ve just downloaded Epson’s profiles for my model, only to find that selecting ICM in my printer driver and Epson Premium Glossy as my printing
space in PS5 produces dark prints.

I’ve found the best success is to use relatively standard settings in my printer driver and choose sRGB as my print space…my camera’s colour space
is sRGB – so this makes some sense doesn’t it?

Or, does this mean that I have set my monitor too light, and the ICC profile
is correct and that I now need to re calibrate my monitor so that it looks
as dark as the prints do when using the Epson profile….?
Si.

Since your response was in the thread along side my answers, I assume it was directed at me. On the contrary, I have read quite a bit on color management and have found that in my case the Epson profile did not give great results, though my files printed out beautifully and accurately at professional print shops. Knowing that my on screen view was accurate I proceeded to try different profiles for my printer. I found one that gave great results and matched not only what was on screen but also the professionally printed versions of the same files. I can now scan something, work on it in PS, place it in Illustrator or Quark, etc., print it at home or professionally (from any of these programs) and have it look thoroughly consistent throughout the entire process. I believe this is what one is aiming for when utilizing color management. This may be "not knowing much about CM" in your opinion, but it works amazingly well for me and the many magazines that print my work.

Steve

— faith \’fath\ n : firm belief in something for which there is no proof. Webster’s Dictionary

From: "Roy"
Organization: ntlworld News Service
Newsgroups: alt.graphics.photoshop
Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2005 01:20:26 GMT
Subject: Re: Adobe Gamma confusion

Hi Si, its me again.

Did you do any reading on the subject of Colour Management.?
You seem to be getting advice from a few sources, and some of them do not seem to know very much about colour Management.

What you are currently doing causes PS to make corrections and then gets the Printer to make another set of corrections.

You should only Color Manage once.

In PS

Go to Edit > Colour Settings > Workspace Profile choose Adobe RGB.
Print with Preview > More Options > Color Management.
Source Space – should be what you have selected as your workspace Profile.
Print Space – choose the Profile for your Printer and the Paper you are going to use.

Epson Printer Driver

Media Type Choose the paper you are going to use. Colour Ink etc as Normal.
Then go to Custom > Advanced Choose "NO COLOUR MANAGEMENT"
Ps will do the Col Man and the Printer will just print the data PS sends to it, without adding an extra set of corrections.

This is, of course, a very abbreviated set of instructions, but it does include the most important bits.

Have a look at "Printing with Photoshop and Epson Printers" on the "Notices and Info Pages" of www.ayrphoto.co.uk

It is much more detailed, and a lot more long-winded.

Roy G.

"Si" wrote in message

Cheers,

As it appears for you, the same has happened for me – the Epson profile just doesn’t work.

What I will do is photograph something with a range of colours – and get my monitor to match that. Then I’ll get my printer to match ….
Si.

"Monty Jake Monty" wrote in message

Get your monitor as true as you can and make everything else conform to it.
Like I said previously, the Epson profile did not work for me at all. I do
a lot of print work using outside professional printers and everything comes out as expected from what is represented on my screen and home printer, so I know it’s all working correctly. As a matter of fact, I even
use my home printer for pseudo color proofs when one is requested. When you
get things working well, you might want to take something to a printer and
see how your file looks in the outside world. If it comes back very similar
to what you get at home, then you know it’s all in sync. Pardon the pun.
Steve

— faith \’fath\ n : firm belief in something for which there is no proof.
Webster’s Dictionary

From: "Si"
Reply-To: "Si"
Newsgroups: alt.graphics.photoshop
Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 18:10:01 -0000
Subject: Re: Adobe Gamma confusion

"Monty Jake Monty" wrote in message

After you calibrate your monitor, you will need to find a printer profile
that best reflects what you see on the monitor. This may or may not be the
one provided by the printer company. I found that there was a bit of trial
and error that went into finding the most compatible printer profile , but
once I found the one that worked, the whole system was near perfect. Worth
the effort. BTW, the Epson printer profile for my printer produced terrible
results on my system. Bring a pic into PS and print it out several times
using a different printer profile each run until you find one that produces
the desired results.
Steve

I’ve just downloaded Epson’s profiles for my model, only to find that selecting ICM in my printer driver and Epson Premium Glossy as my printing
space in PS5 produces dark prints.

I’ve found the best success is to use relatively standard settings in my printer driver and choose sRGB as my print space…my camera’s colour space
is sRGB – so this makes some sense doesn’t it?

Or, does this mean that I have set my monitor too light, and the ICC profile
is correct and that I now need to re calibrate my monitor so that it looks
as dark as the prints do when using the Epson profile….?
Si.

"Roy" wrote in message

Hi Si, its me again.

Did you do any reading on the subject of Colour Management.?
You seem to be getting advice from a few sources, and some of them do not seem to know very much about colour Management.

What you are currently doing causes PS to make corrections and then gets the Printer to make another set of corrections.

You should only Color Manage once.

In PS

Go to Edit > Colour Settings > Workspace Profile choose Adobe RGB.
Print with Preview > More Options > Color Management.
Source Space – should be what you have selected as your workspace Profile.

Print Space – choose the Profile for your Printer and the Paper you are going to use.

Epson Printer Driver

Media Type Choose the paper you are going to use. Colour Ink etc as Normal.

Then go to Custom > Advanced Choose "NO COLOUR MANAGEMENT"
Ps will do the Col Man and the Printer will just print the data PS sends to it, without adding an extra set of corrections.

Roy, I’ve selected sRGB as my colour space (as this is the space used by my camera) – I then choose sRGB as my print space – as you indicate.

However, the next step is where we differ and I have to agree with Monty….

The Epson ICC profile produces results that are just too dark.

Si.

Dan Margulis’ book has a great chapter on this subject. He explains the different profiles and why to use a particular one. Having followed his recommendations, everything works perfectly, consistently, and predictably.

Steve

— faith \’fath\ n : firm belief in something for which there is no proof. Webster’s Dictionary

From: "Si"
Reply-To: "Si"
Newsgroups: alt.graphics.photoshop
Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2005 11:29:31 +0100
Subject: Re: Adobe Gamma confusion

"Roy" wrote in message

Hi Si, its me again.

Did you do any reading on the subject of Colour Management.?
You seem to be getting advice from a few sources, and some of them do not seem to know very much about colour Management.

What you are currently doing causes PS to make corrections and then gets the Printer to make another set of corrections.

You should only Color Manage once.

In PS

Go to Edit > Colour Settings > Workspace Profile choose Adobe RGB.
Print with Preview > More Options > Color Management.
Source Space – should be what you have selected as your workspace Profile.

Print Space – choose the Profile for your Printer and the Paper you are going to use.

Epson Printer Driver

Media Type Choose the paper you are going to use. Colour Ink etc as Normal.

Then go to Custom > Advanced Choose "NO COLOUR MANAGEMENT"
Ps will do the Col Man and the Printer will just print the data PS sends to it, without adding an extra set of corrections.

Roy, I’ve selected sRGB as my colour space (as this is the space used by my camera) – I then choose sRGB as my print space – as you indicate.
However, the next step is where we differ and I have to agree with Monty….
The Epson ICC profile produces results that are just too dark.
Si.

Hi there Monty.

No it wasn’t aimed at you, and I am sorry if you thought that I was getting at you.

I do know enough to know that there are differences between individual printers, and that this can be severe enough to render the "Canned" profiles next to useless. A lot of people much prefer having profiles made specifically for their own Printer, in order to acheive exact corrections.

I was trying to ensure that he did not choose RGB in the Epson Print Dialogue, because that would then ensure Colour Management was being applied twice. I misread the postings and thought someone else had recommended he should do that.

As a member of a Camera Club, that is the sort of thing I hear fairly often when CM, or the lack of it, is being discussed by people who have not done enough reading. Others still set up their system, so that their Monitor Profile gets used as the Working Space, and they are often not aware that they have done so. Too many people read one article on CM and then think they know all about it, and then issue worse than useless advice to beginners.

That is why in my first response, I suggested that the OP should do some reading, hopefully until he gets the underlying principles.

If he follows my directions, and especially the bit about "No Colour Adjustment /Management" in the Epson Printer Driver Dialogue, he should get much closer to his "On Screen Image".

I wonder where in his workflow, he is actually using his Epson Printer/Paper Profile, if he is selecting RGB in the PS Print Space, because that is where he should be using the Printer Profile.

I would be interested to know what you, or any of the other experienced printers, think of my pages on www.ayrphoto.co.uk about accurate colour printing with PS and Epson, see the Notices and Info Page.

Roy G

"Monty Jake Monty" wrote in message

Since your response was in the thread along side my answers, I assume it was directed at me. On the contrary, I have read quite a bit on color management and have found that in my case the Epson profile did not give great results, though my files printed out beautifully and accurately at professional print shops. Knowing that my on screen view was accurate I proceeded to try different profiles for my printer. I found one that gave great results and matched not only what was on screen but also the professionally printed versions of the same files. I can now scan something, work on it in PS, place it in Illustrator or Quark, etc., print it at home or professionally (from any of these programs) and have it look thoroughly consistent throughout the entire process. I believe this is what
one is aiming for when utilizing color management. This may be "not knowing
much about CM" in your opinion, but it works amazingly well for me and the many magazines that print my work.

Steve

— faith \’fath\ n : firm belief in something for which there is no proof.
Webster’s Dictionary

From: "Roy"
Organization: ntlworld News Service
Newsgroups: alt.graphics.photoshop
Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2005 01:20:26 GMT
Subject: Re: Adobe Gamma confusion

Hi Si, its me again.

——Snipped——–

"Roy" wrote in message

Hi there Monty.

No it wasn’t aimed at you, and I am sorry if you thought that I was getting at you.

[snip]

I was trying to ensure that he did not choose RGB in the Epson Print Dialogue, because that would then ensure Colour Management was being applied twice. I misread the postings and thought someone else had recommended he should do that.

[snip]

That is why in my first response, I suggested that the OP should do some reading, hopefully until he gets the underlying principles.
If he follows my directions, and especially the bit about "No Colour Adjustment /Management" in the Epson Printer Driver Dialogue, he should get much closer to his "On Screen Image".

I wonder where in his workflow, he is actually using his Epson Printer/Paper Profile, if he is selecting RGB in the PS Print Space, because that is where he should be using the Printer Profile.
I would be interested to know what you, or any of the other experienced printers, think of my pages on www.ayrphoto.co.uk about accurate colour printing with PS and Epson, see the Notices and Info Page.
Roy G

Roy,

This is how I’ve set up PS – using PS5 under WinXP so some of your instructions don’t match the menus that I see.

My camera’s colour space is sRGB. My RGB setup (File->Colour Settings->RGB setup = sRGB) is sRGB. My print space is set as sRGB.

My printer settings are as follows:

Epson premium glossy selected as paper type.

Color management set to ‘Colour Controls’ with no adjustment of the sliders. Gamma 1.8.

Colour mode is Epson Standard.

This produces a nice match when viewed under daylight.

HOWEVER….

Selecting ICM under colour management with the No Colour Adjustment box unticked gives the same result.

Ticking the box gives a far too dark print.

To answer the query you raised above…

Choosing SPR200 R210 Premium Glossy AS THE PS PRINT SPACE – the supposedly correct profile for my printer and paper, and choosing ICM with No Colour Adjustment unticked gives a very pinkish looking print.

Doing the same with the box ticked gives me another dark print – although not as dark as before.

In conclusion:

It therefore seems that the best result for me is this:

Colour space sRGB (as per my camera), print space sRGB, ICM with No Colour Adjustment left unticked.

Further comments welcome.

Si.

"Si" wrote in message

"Roy" wrote in message

Hi Si, its me again.

Did you do any reading on the subject of Colour Management.?
You seem to be getting advice from a few sources, and some of them do not seem to know very much about colour Management.

What you are currently doing causes PS to make corrections and then gets the Printer to make another set of corrections.

You should only Color Manage once.

In PS

Go to Edit > Colour Settings > Workspace Profile choose Adobe RGB.
Print with Preview > More Options > Color Management.
Source Space – should be what you have selected as your workspace Profile.

Print Space – choose the Profile for your Printer and the Paper you are going to use.

Epson Printer Driver

Media Type Choose the paper you are going to use. Colour Ink etc as Normal.

Then go to Custom > Advanced Choose "NO COLOUR MANAGEMENT"
Ps will do the Col Man and the Printer will just print the data PS sends to it, without adding an extra set of corrections.

Roy, I’ve selected sRGB as my colour space (as this is the space used by my camera) – I then choose sRGB as my print space – as you indicate.
However, the next step is where we differ and I have to agree with Monty….

The Epson ICC profile produces results that are just too dark.
Si.

Hi Si.

If you want to, you can choose sRGB as your Workspace, I only advised on Adobe RGB because it will give a wider range of colours than sRGB.

In Photoshop Source Space select your Workspace Profile, as you set up in Colour Settings.

In Photoshop I advised that for Print Space, you should select your Printer/Paper Profile (Epson Premier Glossy R200) or whatever you are actually using.
Do not select sRGB there.

In the Epson Printer Driver you should go to Custom, then Advanced and select No Colour Adjustment. Doing this ensures that only Photoshop will make the colour management corrections. The printer will just print the Data sent by Photoshop. If you allow both Photoshop and the Printer to make Colour Corrections, you will end up with an Incorrect Print.

If you really want the Printer to do the corrections, in Photoshop Print Space select "Management by Printer", and then in the Printer Driver you can select whatever options you prefer.

Roy G

"Roy" wrote in message

Hi Si.

If you want to, you can choose sRGB as your Workspace, I only advised on Adobe RGB because it will give a wider range of colours than sRGB.
In Photoshop Source Space select your Workspace Profile, as you set up in Colour Settings.

In Photoshop I advised that for Print Space, you should select your Printer/Paper Profile (Epson Premier Glossy R200) or whatever you are actually using.
Do not select sRGB there.

Roy, as stated in my last post, if I choose the Epson profile at this stage, the results are very pink.

In the Epson Printer Driver you should go to Custom, then Advanced and select No Colour Adjustment. Doing this ensures that only Photoshop will make the colour management corrections. The printer will just print the Data sent by Photoshop. If you allow both Photoshop and the Printer to make Colour Corrections, you will end up with an Incorrect Print.

And I stated that when choosing this method – the prints are too dark.

If you really want the Printer to do the corrections, in Photoshop Print Space select "Management by Printer", and then in the Printer Driver you can select whatever options you prefer.

And this prints too dark again.

Apologies if I’m wrong and this goes against all CM principles, but if I use sRGB as both my colour space and print space, then select ICM in my Epson print dialog – then this gives the best result.

Si.

On Sun, 27 Mar 2005 16:40:50 GMT, "Roy"
wrote:

[snip, snip, chop, hack, and gouge]

In Photoshop I advised that for Print Space, you should select your Printer/Paper Profile (Epson Premier Glossy R200) or whatever you are actually using.
Do not select sRGB there.

In the Epson Printer Driver you should go to Custom, then Advanced and select No Colour Adjustment. Doing this ensures that only Photoshop will make the colour management corrections. The printer will just print the Data sent by Photoshop. If you allow both Photoshop and the Printer to make Colour Corrections, you will end up with an Incorrect Print.
If you really want the Printer to do the corrections, in Photoshop Print Space select "Management by Printer", and then in the Printer Driver you can select whatever options you prefer.

Roy G

This is exactly the kind of information I’ve been looking for as I’m a novice in exactly the same situation as the original poster of this thread, and I thank all those who have contributed, because it’s been very educational for the likes of me.

Roy, one thing I have read else where is that up till now Epson’s generic printer profiles have not been very accurate, and as a result, it seems to work better if you let the printer manage the colour space, or, best of all, get a custom profile made for the specific paper type and printer.

I recently bought an Epson R800, and although I haven’t set it up yet, I have read that for the first time Epson have done a semi decent job of getting the profile accurate. When I let Adobe CS colour manage my old Epson Stylus Color 880, it too gave a very magentaish cast to the prints (Epson CM Off). So I’m not sure if I was doing some thing wrong, but I certainly was not impressed with the result.

If the R800 misbehaves, I’ll get a custom profile made up, and to make sure that it wasn’t a monitor discrepancy, yesterday, I calibrated it with a Spyder 2, and I must say that I’m very happy with its performance.

Cheers,

Ricardo Delazy

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Roy, one thing I have read else where is that up till now Epson’s generic printer profiles have not been very accurate, and as a result, it seems to work better if you let the printer manage the colour
space, or, best of all, get a custom profile made for the specific paper type and printer.

Absolutely.

I recently downloaded Iford’s profiles for the Canon printer, and same problem re: accuracy. I had to scarp then mand bulid my own profiles.
Profiler Plus, even without the colour Spyder that comes with Profiler Pro, and a cheap flatbed scanner, will produce far better results than a manufacturers profile, unless you use the exact same equipment in your workflow as the manufacturer did when they built the profile they are offering. That goes for the monitor, as well!

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