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Apr 25, 2005
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My client wants me to redesign her website for singing at wedding ceremonies. The current website is all photos of herself so far, PR type photos and some floral artwork I did for her with a soft romantic feeling. She wants me to make it more plain and use all photos and hasn’t been able to gather nice enough images from the actual weddings she has done. I told her to look at some stock photos. She replied to me:

I never quite understood the stock photo thing. I surfed the couple of sites that you sent me and it appeared that I they all charge between $300-$700. Are there any sites with stock photos available for free. I don’t mean that to be insulting as I know it’s basically a royalty/licensing, but I have to ask! 🙂

L

I know there are royalty free images out there but can I use them commercially? Anyone know a good source of images for free??

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Marsupilami
Apr 25, 2005
I know there are royalty free images out there but can I use them commercially? Anyone know a good source of images for free??

(Most of the time) royalty-free photos are NOT free..
You pay once and then you can use them as you want…


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Mike Teegarden
Apr 25, 2005
Marsupilami wrote:
I know there are royalty free images out there but can I use them commercially? Anyone know a good source of images for free??

(Most of the time) royalty-free photos are NOT free..
You pay once and then you can use them as you want…

Just ask if you can borrow a tape of her singing for a friend who doesn’t wish to pay for a singer at their wedding.

😉
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SCRUFF
Apr 25, 2005
"KatWoman" wrote in message
My client wants me to redesign her website for singing at wedding ceremonies. The current website is all photos of herself so far, PR type photos and some floral artwork I did for her with a soft romantic feeling. She wants me to make it more plain and use all photos and hasn’t been able to gather nice enough images from the actual weddings she has done. I told her to look at some stock photos. She replied to me:

I never quite understood the stock photo thing. I surfed the couple of sites that you sent me and it appeared that I they all charge between $300-$700. Are there any sites with stock photos available for free. I don’t mean that to be insulting as I know it’s basically a royalty/licensing, but I have to ask! 🙂

L

I know there are royalty free images out there but can I use them commercially? Anyone know a good source of images for free??

Royalty free just means you don’t have to pay for specific types of use. You just pay one price for the overall use.
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Hecate
Apr 25, 2005
On Mon, 25 Apr 2005 14:53:32 -0400, "KatWoman" wrote:

My client wants me to redesign her website for singing at wedding ceremonies. The current website is all photos of herself so far, PR type photos and some floral artwork I did for her with a soft romantic feeling. She wants me to make it more plain and use all photos and hasn’t been able to gather nice enough images from the actual weddings she has done. I told her to look at some stock photos. She replied to me:

I never quite understood the stock photo thing. I surfed the couple of sites that you sent me and it appeared that I they all charge between $300-$700. Are there any sites with stock photos available for free. I don’t mean that to be insulting as I know it’s basically a royalty/licensing, but I have to ask! 🙂

L

I know there are royalty free images out there but can I use them commercially? Anyone know a good source of images for free??
A good source of images or a source of good images. The first bears no relation to the second. The reason you pay for good images is because they are good. You pay nothing, you get rubbish.

How would your friend feel about someone playing an iPod of free mp3s at a wedding instead of her singing?



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KatWoman
Apr 25, 2005
she would pay, just not that high of a price, she is quite picky about her artwork and she has paid for fonts in a previous job without hesitation.

"Hecate" wrote in message
On Mon, 25 Apr 2005 14:53:32 -0400, "KatWoman" wrote:

My client wants me to redesign her website for singing at wedding ceremonies. The current website is all photos of herself so far, PR type photos and some floral artwork I did for her with a soft romantic feeling. She wants me to make it more plain and use all photos and hasn’t been able to gather nice enough images from the actual weddings she has done. I told her to look at some stock photos. She replied to me:

I never quite understood the stock photo thing. I surfed the couple of sites that you sent me and it appeared that I they all charge between $300-$700. Are there any sites with stock photos available for free. I don’t mean that to be insulting as I know it’s basically a royalty/licensing, but I have to ask! 🙂

L

I know there are royalty free images out there but can I use them commercially? Anyone know a good source of images for free??
A good source of images or a source of good images. The first bears no relation to the second. The reason you pay for good images is because they are good. You pay nothing, you get rubbish.

How would your friend feel about someone playing an iPod of free mp3s at a wedding instead of her singing?



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Flo Nelson
Apr 26, 2005
These 2 sources have some really good photos at a much cheaper price than normal:
http://www.buycreative.com/
http://www.istockphoto.com/

Flo

"KatWoman" wrote in message
My client wants me to redesign her website for singing at wedding ceremonies. The current website is all photos of herself so far, PR type photos and some floral artwork I did for her with a soft romantic feeling. She wants me to make it more plain and use all photos and hasn’t been able to gather nice enough images from the actual weddings she has done. I told her to look at some stock photos. She replied to me:

I never quite understood the stock photo thing. I surfed the couple of sites that you sent me and it appeared that I they all charge between $300-$700. Are there any sites with stock photos available for free. I don’t mean that to be insulting as I know it’s basically a royalty/licensing, but I have to ask! 🙂

L

I know there are royalty free images out there but can I use them commercially? Anyone know a good source of images for free??
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KatWoman
Apr 26, 2005
thanks. very reasonable prices
"Flo Nelson" wrote in message
These 2 sources have some really good photos at a much cheaper price than normal:
http://www.buycreative.com/
http://www.istockphoto.com/

Flo

"KatWoman" wrote in message
My client wants me to redesign her website for singing at wedding ceremonies. The current website is all photos of herself so far, PR type photos and some floral artwork I did for her with a soft romantic feeling. She wants me to make it more plain and use all photos and hasn’t been able to gather nice enough images from the actual weddings she has done. I told her to look at some stock photos. She replied to me:
I never quite understood the stock photo thing. I surfed the couple of sites that you sent me and it appeared that I they all charge between $300-$700. Are there any sites with stock photos available for free. I don’t mean that to be insulting as I know it’s basically a royalty/licensing, but I have to ask! 🙂

L

I know there are royalty free images out there but can I use them commercially? Anyone know a good source of images for free??

H
Hecate
Apr 26, 2005
On Tue, 26 Apr 2005 00:21:53 GMT, "Flo Nelson" wrote:

These 2 sources have some really good photos at a much cheaper price than normal:
http://www.buycreative.com/
http://www.istockphoto.com/
istockphoto scams photographers. That’s why the images are cheap. They don’t pay proper fees, nor royalties nor anything else.



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Flo Nelson
Apr 27, 2005
That’s a bummer. Thanks for the info.

Flo

"Hecate" wrote in message
On Tue, 26 Apr 2005 00:21:53 GMT, "Flo Nelson" wrote:

These 2 sources have some really good photos at a much cheaper price than normal:
http://www.buycreative.com/
http://www.istockphoto.com/
istockphoto scams photographers. That’s why the images are cheap. They don’t pay proper fees, nor royalties nor anything else.



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KatWoman
Apr 27, 2005
Yes I took notice of the fact they make .20 cents on each image they sell, I guess the idea being to sell many images repeatedly. Some of the photos are quite nice considering the low prices.
As I own a photo business I am aware of the Rights managed vs Royalty free changes in our business. I use a stock agency and they pay us 40% of sales. I have received smaller and smaller payments over the years due to: foreign sales where prices are very low, abundance of images available, competition from Royalty free CD’s, everyone with a camera now thinks they are a pro. I have been told the way to make money at stock is to sell a lot of images, repeatedly. Of course the majority of our work is by assignment, thank GOD there are still clients willing to shell out the big bucks for custom work. On the other hand as an artist, in this case I need cheap images because the website is basically promotional, will not be seen by a large national audience etc. client does not have large budget and I don’t have these type images on hand. some of the royalty free CD’s have great photos too. I have just noticed I have on my comp many images I could use for this from MS office clip collections. I guess I got these with MS Publisher. I am not sure they are released for commercial projects but I didn’t see anything saying not to use them.
Now if I can only figure out how to use Macromedia Flash to make a little checkerboard movie collage I can get started working on her project.

"Hecate" wrote in message
On Tue, 26 Apr 2005 00:21:53 GMT, "Flo Nelson" wrote:

These 2 sources have some really good photos at a much cheaper price than normal:
http://www.buycreative.com/
http://www.istockphoto.com/
istockphoto scams photographers. That’s why the images are cheap. They don’t pay proper fees, nor royalties nor anything else.



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Hecate
Apr 27, 2005
On Wed, 27 Apr 2005 13:39:35 -0400, "KatWoman" wrote:

Yes I took notice of the fact they make .20 cents on each image they sell, I guess the idea being to sell many images repeatedly. Some of the photos are quite nice considering the low prices.

What gets me, is that they aren’t even hiding it. They run another site which I’m not going to publicise, which does sell stock photography at normal rates. Basically, what’s happening is that the 20 cent site is encouraging the devaluation of photography. A lot of the images are being put there from people without the usual photographic skills, or companies wh0o are trying to swap shots amongst themselves to save having to pay a photographer to do the job required.

As I own a photo business I am aware of the Rights managed vs Royalty free changes in our business. I use a stock agency and they pay us 40% of sales. I have received smaller and smaller payments over the years due to: foreign sales where prices are very low, abundance of images available, competition from Royalty free CD’s, everyone with a camera now thinks they are a pro. I have been told the way to make money at stock is to sell a lot of images, repeatedly. Of course the majority of our work is by assignment, thank GOD there are still clients willing to shell out the big bucks for custom work.

Yes, there is actually a lot of that going around. It’s attracting the attention of Photo Professional’s organisations now but, I think what needs to be pointed out is that you get the quality you pay for. If an image is only worth 20 cents to a photographer, how much time and effort are they going to spend on it. I would only consider it as a place to dump all the images I know aren’t good enough to sell normally. However, I’m not *that* desperate, thankfully. 😉

On the other hand as an artist, in this case I need cheap images because the website is basically promotional, will not be seen by a large national audience etc. client does not have large budget and I don’t have these type images on hand. some of the royalty free CD’s have great photos too. I have just noticed I have on my comp many images I could use for this from MS office clip collections. I guess I got these with MS Publisher. I am not sure they are released for commercial projects but I didn’t see anything saying not to use them.
Now if I can only figure out how to use Macromedia Flash to make a little checkerboard movie collage I can get started working on her project.
Generally, the best CDs I’ve found are the Hemera ones. And you’ll notice the images in their aren’t too big either, rarely above 1200 pixels. So you get reasonable images for the price and you’re not contributing to the "cheap at any price movement". 🙂



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KatWoman
Apr 29, 2005
yes I notice my Stock company is among those "sharing" their search engines. And they keep getting swallowed up by merger after merger. I suppose one day we will all shoot for Comstock, the Microsoft equivalent in the picture world.
We are now competing with our own agencies which sell huge amounts of royalty free images plus they have in-house shooters going under a pseudonym churning out images that supposedly they aren’t getting in their library by submission. Now that people think it’s FREE to produce the images and that they are professionals because they own a camera and can "fix it later" in Photoshop, we are all suffering. Several of my colleagues from the dinosaur times have closed up shop. I have received as little as $7.63 for a slide usage, in like Estonia or something. So we now have a global market and we make 3rd world money. it’s pathetic.

I am thinking to "farm out " my work to some Indian who will do a website at far more reasonable prices than I charge, with better coding, and just mark it up to my client. The wave of the future? I will be a middleman and not an artist.

Digital is like atomic power. it can be used for good or evil, LOL. I work in fashion, I think your sig is super funny.

"Hecate" wrote in message
On Wed, 27 Apr 2005 13:39:35 -0400, "KatWoman" wrote:

Yes I took notice of the fact they make .20 cents on each image they sell, I
guess the idea being to sell many images repeatedly. Some of the photos are
quite nice considering the low prices.

What gets me, is that they aren’t even hiding it. They run another site which I’m not going to publicise, which does sell stock photography at normal rates. Basically, what’s happening is that the 20 cent site is encouraging the devaluation of photography. A lot of the images are being put there from people without the usual photographic skills, or companies wh0o are trying to swap shots amongst themselves to save having to pay a photographer to do the job required.

As I own a photo business I am aware of the Rights managed vs Royalty free changes in our business. I use a stock agency and they pay us 40% of sales.
I have received smaller and smaller payments over the years due to: foreign
sales where prices are very low, abundance of images available, competition
from Royalty free CD’s, everyone with a camera now thinks they are a pro. I
have been told the way to make money at stock is to sell a lot of images, repeatedly. Of course the majority of our work is by assignment, thank GOD there are still clients willing to shell out the big bucks for custom work.

Yes, there is actually a lot of that going around. It’s attracting the attention of Photo Professional’s organisations now but, I think what needs to be pointed out is that you get the quality you pay for. If an image is only worth 20 cents to a photographer, how much time and effort are they going to spend on it. I would only consider it as a place to dump all the images I know aren’t good enough to sell normally. However, I’m not *that* desperate, thankfully. 😉
On the other hand as an artist, in this case I need cheap images because the
website is basically promotional, will not be seen by a large national audience etc. client does not have large budget and I don’t have these type
images on hand. some of the royalty free CD’s have great photos too. I have just noticed I have on my comp many images I could use for this from
MS office clip collections. I guess I got these with MS Publisher. I am not
sure they are released for commercial projects but I didn’t see anything saying not to use them.
Now if I can only figure out how to use Macromedia Flash to make a little checkerboard movie collage I can get started working on her project.
Generally, the best CDs I’ve found are the Hemera ones. And you’ll notice the images in their aren’t too big either, rarely above 1200 pixels. So you get reasonable images for the price and you’re not contributing to the "cheap at any price movement". 🙂


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Stephan
Apr 29, 2005
KatWoman wrote:

snip<

Now if I can only figure out how to use Macromedia Flash to make a little
checkerboard movie collage I can get started working on her project.

Good news for you: You don’t need to learn Flash
All you have to do is dump your images in a folder and edit a text file. Check this out:
http://www.airtightinteractive.com/simpleviewer/
I use it on my site and it works great

Stephan
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KatWoman
Apr 29, 2005
Thank you. I also have similar templates showcasing individual photos by hovering the mouse over thumbnails.
BUT in this case I need a large checkerboard of images and color squares where each box has a separate image and they either stay on all the time (OR if I get fancy and make them blink to a solid color or another photo.) She wants this graphic opening page of images I would actually prefer to do it in HTML so viewers do not have to download the player or wait for loading.

"Stephan" wrote in message
KatWoman wrote:

snip<

Now if I can only figure out how to use Macromedia Flash to make a little
checkerboard movie collage I can get started working on her project.

Good news for you: You don’t need to learn Flash
All you have to do is dump your images in a folder and edit a text file. Check this out:
http://www.airtightinteractive.com/simpleviewer/
I use it on my site and it works great

Stephan
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Hecate
Apr 29, 2005
On Fri, 29 Apr 2005 14:47:58 -0400, "KatWoman" wrote:

yes I notice my Stock company is among those "sharing" their search engines. And they keep getting swallowed up by merger after merger. I suppose one day we will all shoot for Comstock, the Microsoft equivalent in the picture world.
We are now competing with our own agencies which sell huge amounts of royalty free images plus they have in-house shooters going under a pseudonym churning out images that supposedly they aren’t getting in their library by submission. Now that people think it’s FREE to produce the images and that they are professionals because they own a camera and can "fix it later" in Photoshop, we are all suffering. Several of my colleagues from the dinosaur times have closed up shop. I have received as little as $7.63 for a slide usage, in like Estonia or something. So we now have a global market and we make 3rd world money. it’s pathetic.

I agree. I hardly ever shoot stock any more.

I am thinking to "farm out " my work to some Indian who will do a website at far more reasonable prices than I charge, with better coding, and just mark it up to my client. The wave of the future? I will be a middleman and not an artist.

LOL! But sad too.

Digital is like atomic power. it can be used for good or evil, LOL.

Absolutely. 🙂 It does depend on the market you aim for though.

I work in fashion, I think your sig is super funny.
Glad you liked it <g>



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Stephan
Apr 29, 2005
KatWoman wrote:
Thank you. I also have similar templates showcasing individual photos by hovering the mouse over thumbnails.
BUT in this case I need a large checkerboard of images and color squares where each box has a separate image and they either stay on all the time (OR if I get fancy and make them blink to a solid color or another photo.) She wants this graphic opening page of images I would actually prefer to do it in HTML so viewers do not have to download the player or wait for loading.

You can configure the XTML file by adding some HTML content . I think 98% of browsers have the Flash plug-in so there is no required download.

Stephan
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KatWoman
Apr 29, 2005
I appreciate the advice, website stuff is not my area of expertise. I need to do it for a print client who now has got some websites.

"Stephan" wrote in message
KatWoman wrote:
Thank you. I also have similar templates showcasing individual photos by hovering the mouse over thumbnails.
BUT in this case I need a large checkerboard of images and color squares where each box has a separate image and they either stay on all the time (OR if I get fancy and make them blink to a solid color or another photo.) She wants this graphic opening page of images I would actually prefer to do it in HTML so viewers do not have to download the player or wait for loading.

You can configure the XTML file by adding some HTML content . I think 98% of browsers have the Flash plug-in so there is no required download.

Stephan
FN
Flo Nelson
Apr 30, 2005
If you want to do it in html, you could use animated gifs, assuming the images you’re using wouldn’t be ruined by turning them into gifs. Set them to loop with appropriate delays and you would be all set.

In Flash, make each image set into a movieclip that loops continuously.

Flo

"KatWoman" wrote in message
I appreciate the advice, website stuff is not my area of expertise. I need to do it for a print client who now has got some websites.
"Stephan" wrote in message
KatWoman wrote:
Thank you. I also have similar templates showcasing individual photos by hovering the mouse over thumbnails.
BUT in this case I need a large checkerboard of images and color squares where each box has a separate image and they either stay on all the time (OR if I get fancy and make them blink to a solid color or another photo.) She wants this graphic opening page of images I would actually prefer to do it in HTML so viewers do not have to download the player or wait for loading.

You can configure the XTML file by adding some HTML content . I think 98% of browsers have the Flash plug-in so there is no required download.

Stephan

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Stephan
May 1, 2005
Flo Nelson wrote:
If you want to do it in html, you could use animated gifs, assuming the images you’re using wouldn’t be ruined by turning them into gifs. Set them to loop with appropriate delays and you would be all set.
In Flash, make each image set into a movieclip that loops continuously.
Flo

Photos in Gif? I don’t think so!

Stephan
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Scrufff
May 1, 2005
"Stephan" wrote in message
Flo Nelson wrote:
If you want to do it in html, you could use animated gifs, assuming the images you’re using wouldn’t be ruined by turning them into gifs. Set
them
to loop with appropriate delays and you would be all set.
In Flash, make each image set into a movieclip that loops continuously.
Flo

Photos in Gif? I don’t think so!

Stephan
Don’t ya have to convert to gif to make an animation?
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KatWoman
May 1, 2005
I possibly could use gif for the photos if the boxes are small but the animation total size would make an awful large file, that’s why I thinking to use MM Flash for it.
I do think I need to use jpgs and some kind of java script or as suggested xtml to make it work?
Maybe even a table?

"Scrufff" wrote in message
"Stephan" wrote in message
Flo Nelson wrote:
If you want to do it in html, you could use animated gifs, assuming the images you’re using wouldn’t be ruined by turning them into gifs. Set
them
to loop with appropriate delays and you would be all set.
In Flash, make each image set into a movieclip that loops continuously.
Flo

Photos in Gif? I don’t think so!

Stephan
Don’t ya have to convert to gif to make an animation?

FN
Flo Nelson
May 1, 2005
I’m only suggesting gif if the photos are more iconic than realistic – not sure what she’s trying to do.

"Stephan" wrote in message
Flo Nelson wrote:
If you want to do it in html, you could use animated gifs, assuming the images you’re using wouldn’t be ruined by turning them into gifs. Set them to loop with appropriate delays and you would be all set.
In Flash, make each image set into a movieclip that loops continuously.
Flo

Photos in Gif? I don’t think so!

Stephan
FN
Flo Nelson
May 1, 2005
Personally I think Flash would be the best bet – Dreamweaver dropped timeline animation with javascript because there just wasn’t universal browser support for it and because Flash was a better way to do it.

To make the whole thing stream fairly well, I’d keep the photo size small and only have 1 or 2 appear at a time – then use a preloader before starting the animation.

Flo

"KatWoman" wrote in message
I possibly could use gif for the photos if the boxes are small but the animation total size would make an awful large file, that’s why I thinking to use MM Flash for it.
I do think I need to use jpgs and some kind of java script or as suggested xtml to make it work?
Maybe even a table?

"Scrufff" wrote in message
"Stephan" wrote in message
Flo Nelson wrote:
If you want to do it in html, you could use animated gifs, assuming the
images you’re using wouldn’t be ruined by turning them into gifs. Set
them
to loop with appropriate delays and you would be all set.
In Flash, make each image set into a movieclip that loops continuously.

Flo

Photos in Gif? I don’t think so!

Stephan
Don’t ya have to convert to gif to make an animation?

H
Hecate
May 1, 2005
On Sun, 1 May 2005 11:42:26 -0400, "Scrufff" wrote:

"Stephan" wrote in message
Flo Nelson wrote:
If you want to do it in html, you could use animated gifs, assuming the images you’re using wouldn’t be ruined by turning them into gifs. Set
them
to loop with appropriate delays and you would be all set.
In Flash, make each image set into a movieclip that loops continuously.
Flo

Photos in Gif? I don’t think so!

Stephan
Don’t ya have to convert to gif to make an animation?
Yes, but generally photos and gif don’t mix.



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