Stock photos: does anyone buy this junk?

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Jason
Jun 10, 2005
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Playing around with Adobe Bridge lured me in to the stock photo. vendor collections.

Now, in fairness, some of the stuff is good, nicely masked, very usable, very well thoughout, prepared, time consuming balanced material. I would glady buy that stuff because it offers some value.

And then there’s the other 90%. Cropped like shit. Crayon like illustrations. Ugly. Bad tones. Guassian masked objects with "fuzz" ensuring I’d just have to remask it. Just pure crap.

Who in their right mind would need a 4500×4500 $419 clipart illustration of a Mexican in sunglasses? And what’s up with the grown man in the beenie purposefully looking like a three year old in dire need of a bathroom?

What’s the artist/photographer cut on this? It seems like they’re taking photos of everything. Walking down the street. Look, a stop sign! Snap. Look, a cigarette butt! Snap!

Alright, here’s the valid complaint after the rant. Greed has taken over the good sense of these companies. They would do well to rethink their strategy because I can reach for my Nikon $250 N70 camera and do better. At the very
least, they should siphone off all the crap into some
economy distinction. That way it doesn’t clutter up the 10% of usable material.

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KatWoman
Jun 11, 2005
"Jason" wrote in message
Playing around with Adobe Bridge lured me in to the stock photo. vendor collections.

Now, in fairness, some of the stuff is good, nicely masked, very usable, very well thoughout, prepared, time consuming balanced material. I would glady buy that stuff because it offers some value.

And then there’s the other 90%. Cropped like shit. Crayon like illustrations. Ugly. Bad tones. Guassian masked objects with "fuzz" ensuring I’d just have to remask it. Just pure crap.
Who in their right mind would need a 4500×4500 $419 clipart illustration of a Mexican in sunglasses? And what’s up with the grown man in the beenie purposefully looking like a three year old in dire need of a bathroom?

What’s the artist/photographer cut on this? It seems like they’re taking photos of everything. Walking down the street. Look, a stop sign! Snap. Look, a cigarette butt! Snap!
Alright, here’s the valid complaint after the rant. Greed has taken over the good sense of these companies. They would do well to rethink their strategy because I can reach for my Nikon $250 N70 camera and do better. At the very
least, they should siphone off all the crap into some
economy distinction. That way it doesn’t clutter up the 10% of usable material.

K
KatWoman
Jun 11, 2005
where did you go shopping?

go to
www.superstockimages.com

edited, well scanned, reasonable prices. not junk

"Jason" wrote in message
Playing around with Adobe Bridge lured me in to the stock photo. vendor collections.

Now, in fairness, some of the stuff is good, nicely masked, very usable, very well thoughout, prepared, time consuming balanced material. I would glady buy that stuff because it offers some value.

And then there’s the other 90%. Cropped like shit. Crayon like illustrations. Ugly. Bad tones. Guassian masked objects with "fuzz" ensuring I’d just have to remask it. Just pure crap.
Who in their right mind would need a 4500×4500 $419 clipart illustration of a Mexican in sunglasses? And what’s up with the grown man in the beenie purposefully looking like a three year old in dire need of a bathroom?

What’s the artist/photographer cut on this? It seems like they’re taking photos of everything. Walking down the street. Look, a stop sign! Snap. Look, a cigarette butt! Snap!
Alright, here’s the valid complaint after the rant. Greed has taken over the good sense of these companies. They would do well to rethink their strategy because I can reach for my Nikon $250 N70 camera and do better. At the very
least, they should siphone off all the crap into some
economy distinction. That way it doesn’t clutter up the 10% of usable material.

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Hannah
Jun 11, 2005
"Jason" wrote in message
Who in their right mind would need a 4500×4500 $419 clipart illustration of a Mexican in sunglasses? And what’s up with the grown man in the beenie purposefully looking like a three year old in dire need of a bathroom?

What’s the artist/photographer cut on this? It seems like they’re taking photos of everything. Walking down the street. Look, a stop sign! Snap. Look, a cigarette butt! Snap!
You’d be surprised. I have a lot of photographs with Alamy, a major UK agency, and I’m often surprised at what sells – stuff you would never imagine would be of any use to anybody. However, it costs me nothing to put them with Alamy, and I get 65% of each sale (or I could pay a storage fee and get 75%). A very much reduced size JPEG can sell for $140, and the prices go up from there. Feature mags look for the strangest pics to illustrate articles. Whatever, I make very good pocket money from Alamy.
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Kingdom
Jun 11, 2005
Jason wrote in news:d8d90g$c5j$1
@gondor.sdsu.edu:

Playing around with Adobe Bridge lured me in to the stock photo. vendor collections.

Now, in fairness, some of the stuff is good, nicely masked, very usable, very well thoughout, prepared, time consuming balanced material. I would glady buy that stuff because it offers some value.

And then there’s the other 90%. Cropped like shit. Crayon like illustrations. Ugly. Bad tones. Guassian masked objects with "fuzz" ensuring I’d just have to remask it. Just pure crap.
Who in their right mind would need a 4500×4500 $419 clipart illustration of a Mexican in sunglasses? And what’s up with the grown man in the beenie purposefully looking like a three year old in dire need of a bathroom?

What’s the artist/photographer cut on this? It seems like they’re taking photos of everything. Walking down the street. Look, a stop sign! Snap. Look, a cigarette butt! Snap!
Alright, here’s the valid complaint after the rant. Greed has taken over the good sense of these companies. They would do well to rethink their strategy because I can reach for my Nikon $250 N70 camera and do better. At the very
least, they should siphone off all the crap into some
economy distinction. That way it doesn’t clutter up the 10% of usable material.

That’s a matter of opinion, one mans meat is another mans poison!


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Hecate
Jun 11, 2005
On Sat, 11 Jun 2005 09:38:15 +0100, "Hannah"
wrote:

"Jason" wrote in message
Who in their right mind would need a 4500×4500 $419 clipart illustration of a Mexican in sunglasses? And what’s up with the grown man in the beenie purposefully looking like a three year old in dire need of a bathroom?

What’s the artist/photographer cut on this? It seems like they’re taking photos of everything. Walking down the street. Look, a stop sign! Snap. Look, a cigarette butt! Snap!
You’d be surprised. I have a lot of photographs with Alamy, a major UK agency, and I’m often surprised at what sells – stuff you would never imagine would be of any use to anybody. However, it costs me nothing to put them with Alamy, and I get 65% of each sale (or I could pay a storage fee and get 75%). A very much reduced size JPEG can sell for $140, and the prices go up from there. Feature mags look for the strangest pics to illustrate articles. Whatever, I make very good pocket money from Alamy.
H.
Alamy are excellent. Honest company and they do all the promotion, effectively. You just have to sit back and wait – the more images you put there, the more likely you’ll get sales.



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arrooke
Jun 12, 2005
Alamy are excellent. Honest company and they do all the promotion, effectively. You just have to sit back and wait – the more images you put there, the more likely you’ll get sales.



Hecate – The Real One

You mean anyone can submit images and stand the chance to make a few bucks? I’ve thought of this before but never seriously looked into it. I’m no photographer, but some of mine come out lucky as hell. I recently took some nice macros around the garden.

Keith.
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Harry Limey
Jun 12, 2005
"Hecate" wrote in message

Alamy are excellent. Honest company and they do all the promotion, effectively. You just have to sit back and wait – the more images you put there, the more likely you’ll get sales.

Hecate – The Real One

I am amazed at the file sizes they require – 48mb minimum – sounds incredible!! and they are very specific about colour space – RGB mode – sharpening etc., You can learn a lot just reading the do’s and dont’s They recommend (insist really) genuine fractals for interpolation!! Do you fellows do that?

Harry
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Husky
Jun 12, 2005
On Sun, 12 Jun 2005 20:23:01 +0100, "Harry Limey" <harrylimey[@]lycos.co.uk> wrote:

"Hecate" wrote in message

Alamy are excellent. Honest company and they do all the promotion, effectively. You just have to sit back and wait – the more images you put there, the more likely you’ll get sales.

Hecate – The Real One

I am amazed at the file sizes they require – 48mb minimum – sounds incredible!! and they are very specific about colour space – RGB mode – sharpening etc., You can learn a lot just reading the do’s and dont’s They recommend (insist really) genuine fractals for interpolation!! Do you fellows do that?

Harry

How much do they charge you to store your images on their machines ? I just saw one for $469.00. You could hire a PI to track down that person, and ask for a shot for less.

It’s like the old lemonade stand $1,000,000.00 a glass. All I have to sell is one glass..

If they’re setting the prices, it’s a scam just to fleece you to store the images.

more pix @ http://members.toast.net/cbminfo/index.html
KW
Ken Wright
Jun 12, 2005
From what I saw, you got offered the option of a 75/25 (You/Them) split on any revenue if you wanted to pay to store your pics, or 65/35 if they stored it for free. Latter option seemed quite fair to me given they were paying storage and doing the marketing.


Regards
Ken…………………..
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Hannah
Jun 12, 2005
"_+arrooke" wrote in message
You mean anyone can submit images and stand the chance to make a few
bucks?
I’ve thought of this before but never seriously looked into it. I’m no photographer, but some of mine come out lucky as hell. I recently took
some
nice macros around the garden.
TIFFs, 48 Mb minimum.
You ain’t gonna do that with any ordinary camera.
H.
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Hannah
Jun 12, 2005
"Harry Limey" <harrylimey[@]lycos.co.uk> wrote in message
I am amazed at the file sizes they require – 48mb minimum – sounds incredible!! and they are very specific about colour space – RGB mode – sharpening etc., You can learn a lot just reading the do’s and dont’s They recommend (insist really) genuine fractals for interpolation!! Do you fellows do that?
I output mine for Alamy at 50 to 60 Mb 8 bit TIFF direct from C1Pro using the scaling % option. I find this to be as good, if not better, than any other method for upsizing. You’re looking at approx 5500 to 6000 pixels on the longer edge, upscaled from the just under 5000 my 1DS MkII outputs.
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Hecate
Jun 12, 2005
On Sun, 12 Jun 2005 20:23:01 +0100, "Harry Limey" <harrylimey[@]lycos.co.uk> wrote:

"Hecate" wrote in message

Alamy are excellent. Honest company and they do all the promotion, effectively. You just have to sit back and wait – the more images you put there, the more likely you’ll get sales.

Hecate – The Real One

I am amazed at the file sizes they require – 48mb minimum – sounds incredible!! and they are very specific about colour space – RGB mode – sharpening etc., You can learn a lot just reading the do’s and dont’s They recommend (insist really) genuine fractals for interpolation!! Do you fellows do that?
Not if I can help it. With 35mm film it doesn’t matter anyway as my untouched images (before any processing) come in at 120Mb anyway. With digital images – they just need to be the right size/quality and how you get there is up to you – you’re not sending them GF files. (Which is just as well as Stair is more efficient, cheaper and has less artefacts IMHO)>



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Fashion: Buying things you don’t need, with money
you don’t have, to impress people you don’t like…
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Husky
Jun 13, 2005
On Sun, 12 Jun 2005 19:37:57 GMT, "Ken Wright" wrote:

From what I saw, you got offered the option of a 75/25 (You/Them) split on any revenue if you wanted to pay to store your pics, or 65/35 if they stored it for free. Latter option seemed quite fair to me given they were paying storage and doing the marketing.

They’re all $469.00 at the highest priced. 75/25 65/35.. You’re paying even on top for them to store those images. What do they charge to post the images ? And 65/35… Gimme a break you could get your own website and one of those search engine top listing companies’ to advertise your images for less than the cost of one image.

No one’s going to pay $469.00 for a pix from the back page of your local penny pincher handout.

That’s more than some of the better automatic cameras cost. —
more pix @ http://members.toast.net/cbminfo/index.html
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Hannah
Jun 13, 2005
"Husky" wrote in message
No one’s going to pay $469.00 for a pix from the back page of your local
penny
pincher handout.
I wonder where all this money here came from then?
H.
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KatWoman
Jun 13, 2005
"Husky" wrote in message
On Sun, 12 Jun 2005 19:37:57 GMT, "Ken Wright"
wrote:

From what I saw, you got offered the option of a 75/25 (You/Them) split on any revenue if you wanted to pay to store your pics, or 65/35 if they stored
it for free. Latter option seemed quite fair to me given they were paying storage and doing the marketing.

They’re all $469.00 at the highest priced. 75/25 65/35.. You’re paying even on
top for them to store those images. What do they charge to post the images ?
And 65/35… Gimme a break you could get your own website and one of those search engine top listing companies’ to advertise your images for less than the
cost of one image.

No one’s going to pay $469.00 for a pix from the back page of your local penny
pincher handout.

That’s more than some of the better automatic cameras cost. —
more pix @ http://members.toast.net/cbminfo/index.html

"back page of your local penny
pincher handout."

what does that mean?
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Hecate
Jun 13, 2005
On Sun, 12 Jun 2005 21:38:32 +0100, "Hannah"
wrote:

"_+arrooke" wrote in message
You mean anyone can submit images and stand the chance to make a few
bucks?
I’ve thought of this before but never seriously looked into it. I’m no photographer, but some of mine come out lucky as hell. I recently took
some
nice macros around the garden.
TIFFs, 48 Mb minimum.
You ain’t gonna do that with any ordinary camera.
H.
Do it all the time with an EOS 100 for example. 120Mb files.



Hecate – The Real One

Fashion: Buying things you don’t need, with money
you don’t have, to impress people you don’t like…
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Hecate
Jun 13, 2005
On Mon, 13 Jun 2005 03:55:57 -0400, Husky wrote:

On Sun, 12 Jun 2005 19:37:57 GMT, "Ken Wright" wrote:

From what I saw, you got offered the option of a 75/25 (You/Them) split on any revenue if you wanted to pay to store your pics, or 65/35 if they stored it for free. Latter option seemed quite fair to me given they were paying storage and doing the marketing.

They’re all $469.00 at the highest priced. 75/25 65/35.. You’re paying even on top for them to store those images. What do they charge to post the images ? And 65/35… Gimme a break you could get your own website and one of those search engine top listing companies’ to advertise your images for less than the cost of one image.

No one’s going to pay $469.00 for a pix from the back page of your local penny pincher handout.

That’s more than some of the better automatic cameras cost.

You obviously don’t under Stock Libraries.



Hecate – The Real One

Fashion: Buying things you don’t need, with money
you don’t have, to impress people you don’t like…
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Hannah
Jun 14, 2005
"Hecate" wrote in message
TIFFs, 48 Mb minimum.
You ain’t gonna do that with any ordinary camera.
H.
Do it all the time with an EOS 100 for example. 120Mb files.

I correct myself – any ordinary *digital* camera.
H.
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Hecate
Jun 14, 2005
On Tue, 14 Jun 2005 15:06:42 +0100, "Hannah"
wrote:

"Hecate" wrote in message
TIFFs, 48 Mb minimum.
You ain’t gonna do that with any ordinary camera.
H.
Do it all the time with an EOS 100 for example. 120Mb files.

I correct myself – any ordinary *digital* camera.
H.
Yes. But as you say, not much of a problem with the right software. If I had a 1Ds II I wouldn’t worry about, but with lesser cameras film often works out better.



Hecate – The Real One

Fashion: Buying things you don’t need, with money
you don’t have, to impress people you don’t like…
A
arrooke
Jun 14, 2005
Do it all the time with an EOS 100 for example. 120Mb files.

I correct myself – any ordinary *digital* camera.
H.
Yes. But as you say, not much of a problem with the right software. If I had a 1Ds II I wouldn’t worry about, but with lesser cameras film often works out better.



Hecate – The Real One

I use an Olympus 4 megapixel. It has a tiff setting. Have never bothered using it. I use high quality jpg. Photos come out about 900Kb. Never had a problem. If I do, I can go higher. The camera has a good lens. Keeps me and my customers happy. Sure I’ll upgrade at some point. But 99% of the time this works just fine for commercial printing.
I don’t doubt your original photos are better. But by the time it’s downloaded & screwed with – do you really think?
Keith.
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Hannah
Jun 15, 2005
"_+arrooke" wrote in message
I use an Olympus 4 megapixel. It has a tiff setting. Have never bothered using it. I use high quality jpg. Photos come out about 900Kb. Never had a problem. If I do, I can go higher. The camera has a good lens. Keeps me
and
my customers happy. Sure I’ll upgrade at some point. But 99% of the time this works just fine for commercial printing.
I don’t doubt your original photos are better. But by the time it’s downloaded & screwed with – do you really think?
Keith.
Your journey from 4MP to a 50Mb TIFF is a hell of a lot longer and arduous than mine from 16.7 MP.
Much will be lost going from 900Kb to 50Mb. I think you would find any pic starting at 4MP would be pretty well unuseable by the time it had been magicked up to 50MB.
H.
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Hecate
Jun 15, 2005
On Tue, 14 Jun 2005 18:03:54 -0400, "_+arrooke" wrote:

Do it all the time with an EOS 100 for example. 120Mb files.

I correct myself – any ordinary *digital* camera.
H.
Yes. But as you say, not much of a problem with the right software. If I had a 1Ds II I wouldn’t worry about, but with lesser cameras film often works out better.

I use an Olympus 4 megapixel. It has a tiff setting. Have never bothered using it. I use high quality jpg. Photos come out about 900Kb. Never had a problem. If I do, I can go higher. The camera has a good lens. Keeps me and my customers happy. Sure I’ll upgrade at some point. But 99% of the time this works just fine for commercial printing.
I don’t doubt your original photos are better. But by the time it’s downloaded & screwed with – do you really think?

I’m not saying my original images are any better, that’s very much a subjective issue. 😉 However:

Work this out. You have a 1Ds II. This gives you, roughly a 17Mb image to start with as a RAW. You need to get to 48MB. That’s an increase in size of just under three times.

You have an Olympus which gives you a 900k image. You need to get to 48Mb. That’s an increase in size of just over 53 times.

Which do you think would provide a useable image?

Also, although I use digital, I use a lot of film. Scanned in without much of any adjustment I get a 120mb image. To get to a minimum 48 Mb I have to… well, do nothing actually.

Which of these three do you think is most likely, and which is least likely, to be of any use?



Hecate – The Real One

Fashion: Buying things you don’t need, with money
you don’t have, to impress people you don’t like…
A
arrooke
Jun 16, 2005
I use an Olympus 4 megapixel. It has a tiff setting. Have never bothered using it. I use high quality jpg. Photos come out about 900Kb. Never had
a
problem. If I do, I can go higher. The camera has a good lens. Keeps me
and
my customers happy. Sure I’ll upgrade at some point. But 99% of the time this works just fine for commercial printing.
I don’t doubt your original photos are better. But by the time it’s downloaded & screwed with – do you really think?

I’m not saying my original images are any better, that’s very much a subjective issue. 😉 However:

Work this out. You have a 1Ds II. This gives you, roughly a 17Mb image to start with as a RAW. You need to get to 48MB. That’s an increase in size of just under three times.

You have an Olympus which gives you a 900k image. You need to get to 48Mb. That’s an increase in size of just over 53 times.
Which do you think would provide a useable image?

Also, although I use digital, I use a lot of film. Scanned in without much of any adjustment I get a 120mb image. To get to a minimum 48 Mb I have to… well, do nothing actually.

Which of these three do you think is most likely, and which is least likely, to be of any use?



Hecate – The Real One

I can’t imagine needing a 48 Mb image unless because of size. My 900Kb image the camera spits out is about 24 x 33 inches (or around there) at 72ppi and reduces nicely to about 12 inches or so at 300ppi. Works for me. I seldom need images larger than 5 x 7 for the printing I do – I’m talking about offset printing. Quality is fine. Oh, I suppose one could nitpick. I do have 2 higher steps on the camera available to me. Just haven’t needed them and I get more pics on my flash card at this setting. I might bump it up one notch now that I’m thinking of it. Since I always unload my card after about 10 pics anyways.
Keith

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