Boos for Adobe CS suite

On Tue, 30 Aug 2005 13:40:34 -0600, "Narusato" wrote:

I got Adobe CS2 set (InDesign, Photoshop, and Illustrator) but no manuals. Could someone recommend me well-written books for beginners? Thank you. Narusato

Lucky me was yesterday in a shopping centre
where my wife decided to by me as a surprise
a book.
Adobe Photoshop CS2 Classroom in Book
was added to my library:-)

Because I am no novice with Photoshop, I
skipped quite a few articles, but there is lot’s
in it for even more experienced users than me.
(and I will not call myself a boffin, only not a novice:-)

It will not be a waste of money buying this book.

Dave

On Tue, 30 Aug 2005 22:41:17 +0200, DD wrote:

On Tue, 30 Aug 2005 13:40:34 -0600, "Narusato" wrote:

I got Adobe CS2 set (InDesign, Photoshop, and Illustrator) but no manuals. Could someone recommend me well-written books for beginners? Thank you. Narusato

Lucky me was yesterday in a shopping centre
where my wife decided to by me as a surprise
a book.
Adobe Photoshop CS2 Classroom in Book
was added to my library:-)

Because I am no novice with Photoshop, I
skipped quite a few articles, but there is lot’s
in it for even more experienced users than me.
(and I will not call myself a boffin, only not a novice:-)
It will not be a waste of money buying this book.

Dave

or, re the subject of this thread, are you ‘Booo(!)ing Photoshop:-)

Dave

It’s a typo. Sorry.
Sometimes, finger tips do not perform well.
It’s supposed to be "Books for Adobe CS Suite". Next time, I want to make sure that I take a Viagra pill before starting a thread..

Narusato.

"DD" wrote in message

On Tue, 30 Aug 2005 22:41:17 +0200, DD wrote:

On Tue, 30 Aug 2005 13:40:34 -0600, "Narusato" wrote:

I got Adobe CS2 set (InDesign, Photoshop, and Illustrator) but no manuals.
Could someone recommend me well-written books for beginners? Thank you. Narusato

Lucky me was yesterday in a shopping centre
where my wife decided to by me as a surprise
a book.
Adobe Photoshop CS2 Classroom in Book
was added to my library:-)

Because I am no novice with Photoshop, I
skipped quite a few articles, but there is lot’s
in it for even more experienced users than me.
(and I will not call myself a boffin, only not a novice:-)
It will not be a waste of money buying this book.

Dave

or, re the subject of this thread, are you ‘Booo(!)ing Photoshop:-)
Dave

"Narusato" wrote in message

I got Adobe CS2 set (InDesign, Photoshop, and Illustrator) but no manuals. Could someone recommend me well-written books for beginners? Thank you. Narusato

I don’t have CS2 but I thnk I heard someone say there is a PDF file in the Adobe folder or CD with the manual in it.

Adobe CS (Customer Service) told me that HELP menu is the manual to read. But reading help files for so long could force me to visit doctor’s office for repetitive neck stress and pain.
So I believe that it would be more productive and healthier by consulting books.
I am sure that you would agree to it.

Narusato

"KatWoman" wrote in message

"Narusato" wrote in message

I got Adobe CS2 set (InDesign, Photoshop, and Illustrator) but no manuals.
Could someone recommend me well-written books for beginners? Thank you. Narusato

I don’t have CS2 but I thnk I heard someone say there is a PDF file in the Adobe folder or CD with the manual in it.

"Narusato" wrote in
news:df2m31$epg$:

Adobe CS (Customer Service) told me that HELP menu is the manual to read. But reading help files for so long could force me to visit doctor’s office for repetitive neck stress and pain.
So I believe that it would be more productive and healthier by consulting books.
I am sure that you would agree to it.

Narusato

"KatWoman" wrote in message

"Narusato" wrote in message

I got Adobe CS2 set (InDesign, Photoshop, and Illustrator) but no manuals.
Could someone recommend me well-written books for beginners? Thank you. Narusato

I don’t have CS2 but I thnk I heard someone say there is a PDF file in the Adobe folder or CD with the manual in it.

A good book is always better than reading a help menu within a program. However, if you’re in a newsgroup such as this I will assume that you have access to other groups. Try alt.binaries.e-book technical. I have downloaded a wealth of material there, mostly in PDF format. This includes the entire book with illustrations. Not sure about the copyright issue there, but I’m not selling them, and I’m on a fixed income and couldn’t buy them if I wanted to.

On Wed, 31 Aug 2005 13:38:46 GMT, RVWebber
wrote:

A good book is always better than reading a help menu within a program. However, if you’re in a newsgroup such as this I will assume that you have access to other groups. Try alt.binaries.e-book technical. I have downloaded a wealth of material there, mostly in PDF format. This includes the entire book with illustrations. Not sure about the copyright issue there, but I’m not selling them, and I’m on a fixed income and couldn’t buy them if I wanted to.

Thanks for the tip.
I do buy books and I’m buying mags
but there is a treasure of info in other
writings not to be missed.

People are crowding the bookshelves at bookshops,
not only browsing but reading. I bought a new book
on CS2 on Monday, and although it was spottless,
I asked for a sealed one, which was not available.
So I had to take the only one from the shelve.
This is worse, I’d say; the time people spend
there with books they do not intend to buy,
and then put it back with folded corners
on the pages.

Dave
http://home.intekom.com/davesplace/sunrise/seagull.jpg

"Narusato" wrote in message

Adobe CS (Customer Service) told me that HELP menu is the manual to read. But reading help files for so long could force me to visit doctor’s office for repetitive neck stress and pain.
So I believe that it would be more productive and healthier by consulting books.
I am sure that you would agree to it.

Narusato

"KatWoman" wrote in message

"Narusato" wrote in message

I got Adobe CS2 set (InDesign, Photoshop, and Illustrator) but no manuals.
Could someone recommend me well-written books for beginners? Thank you. Narusato

I don’t have CS2 but I thnk I heard someone say there is a PDF file in the Adobe folder or CD with the manual in it.

umm PDF’s are printable
if you like reading off-line
just print out the pages

I never used any books anyway
just opened the program
tried out all the tools and options
use a few things all the time
use some of the features rarely or not at all
learn them when I need them as I go along
plenty of on line tutorials for almost anything you need to accomplish and they are free

On Thu, 1 Sep 2005 14:15:58 -0400, "KatWoman"
wrote:

umm PDF’s are printable
if you like reading off-line
just print out the pages

Yes, exactly. If there are particular things I want to look at in detail, I just print out the relevant pages. Way too many people think if it isn’t on their screen, it doesn’t exist 🙂

—

Hecate – The Real One

Fashion: Buying things you don’t need, with money
you don’t have, to impress people you don’t like…

Hecate wrote:

On Thu, 1 Sep 2005 14:15:58 -0400, "KatWoman"
wrote:

umm PDF’s are printable
if you like reading off-line
just print out the pages

Yes, exactly. If there are particular things I want to look at in detail, I just print out the relevant pages. Way too many people think if it isn’t on their screen, it doesn’t exist 🙂

You make valid points and, personally, I always toss out the manuals because they take up too much space (which is an issue for someone living in a tiny Tokyo apartment) and use the online help.

However, Adobe makes quite expensive professional programs largely targeted toward a corporate audience. It’s absurd to expect users to foot the bill for printing out the pages as well as waste time doing so (in offices with shared printers, tying one up to print a manual would be a real problem) when the program is so expensive. I can understand offering .pdf files for programs that are relatively cheap, but not for any of the big ticket Adobe apps (and especially not for the entire Creative Suite).

It’s just a way of getting a few extra dollars profit here and there as it wouldn’t cost all that much for Adobe to make the manuals given the volume they’d be printing. At the very least, Adobe should offer to send the manuals to registered users on demand for free so those who need them can have them without messing about. It is this sort of penny pinching (along with outsourced or automated tech support) which undermines the value of customer service benefits for legit users.

Orchid

On Fri, 2 Sep 2005 19:39:23 +0900, (Orchid) wrote:

Hecate wrote:

On Thu, 1 Sep 2005 14:15:58 -0400, "KatWoman"
wrote:

umm PDF’s are printable
if you like reading off-line
just print out the pages

Yes, exactly. If there are particular things I want to look at in detail, I just print out the relevant pages. Way too many people think if it isn’t on their screen, it doesn’t exist 🙂

You make valid points and, personally, I always toss out the manuals because they take up too much space (which is an issue for someone living in a tiny Tokyo apartment) and use the online help.
However, Adobe makes quite expensive professional programs largely targeted toward a corporate audience. It’s absurd to expect users to foot the bill for printing out the pages as well as waste time doing so (in offices with shared printers, tying one up to print a manual would be a real problem) when the program is so expensive. I can understand offering .pdf files for programs that are relatively cheap, but not for any of the big ticket Adobe apps (and especially not for the entire Creative Suite).

I don’t disagree with you at all about that.

It’s just a way of getting a few extra dollars profit here and there as it wouldn’t cost all that much for Adobe to make the manuals given the volume they’d be printing. At the very least, Adobe should offer to send the manuals to registered users on demand for free so those who need them can have them without messing about. It is this sort of penny pinching (along with outsourced or automated tech support) which undermines the value of customer service benefits for legit users.

Absolutely. What they should do is say that they will send you the manuals, if requested, if you’ve registered. Mind you, one of the reasons I have so many books on PS is that I never found the manuals very good 😉

—

Hecate – The Real One

Fashion: Buying things you don’t need, with money
you don’t have, to impress people you don’t like…

In article <df2dsl$b6n$ says…

I got Adobe CS2 set (InDesign, Photoshop, and Illustrator) but no manuals. Could someone recommend me well-written books for beginners? Thank you. Narusato

With CS(1), the manuals were available from Adobe for ~US$60 (for the suite). However, a caveat: they mostly say, "see Adobe_xx Help… "

That said, the various Classroom in a Book are [SIC] good starting points. As for additional recommendations on text for PS, a Google.Group Search will yield many, many recommendations. Narrow it down to this, and the comp. graphics.apps.photoshop groups.

Hunt

Just bought Adobe Photoshop CS2, One on One by Deke McClelland. Highly recommend it. If you want to learn PS, this is the book.

"Hunt" wrote in message

In article <df2dsl$b6n$ says…

I got Adobe CS2 set (InDesign, Photoshop, and Illustrator) but no manuals.
Could someone recommend me well-written books for beginners? Thank you. Narusato

With CS(1), the manuals were available from Adobe for ~US$60 (for the suite).
However, a caveat: they mostly say, "see Adobe_xx Help… "
That said, the various Classroom in a Book are [SIC] good starting points. As
for additional recommendations on text for PS, a Google.Group Search will yield many, many recommendations. Narrow it down to this, and the comp. graphics.apps.photoshop groups.

Hunt

On Sat, 3 Sep 2005 08:41:39 -0700, "Donna"
wrote:

Just bought Adobe Photoshop CS2, One on One by Deke McClelland. Highly recommend it. If you want to learn PS, this is the book.

Donna…!!! For your commission you should do better than this!