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Citizen_Cain wrote:No. I think that it’s a crime of a very serious nature, but you don’t deserve to die for it.
No strings attached, no prosecution. Could or would you do it?
Depends of if the looter was Flipper Mike or not.
"H.I.V. Steve" wrote in message
Citizen_Cain wrote:
No strings attached, no prosecution. Could or would you do it?
Depends of if the looter was Flipper Mike or not.
No. I think that it’s a crime of a very serious nature, but you don’t deserve to die for it.
"H.I.V. Steve" wrote in messageSure you do. If you have a chance of dying, I’m sure you would be way less likely to do it.
Citizen_Cain wrote:No. I think that it’s a crime of a very serious nature, but you don’t deserve to die for it.
No strings attached, no prosecution. Could or would you do it?
Depends of if the looter was Flipper Mike or not.
"Zilva Zanga" wrote in message
"H.I.V. Steve" wrote in messageSure you do. If you have a chance of dying, I’m sure you would be way less likely to do it.
Citizen_Cain wrote:No. I think that it’s a crime of a very serious nature, but you don’t deserve to die for it.
No strings attached, no prosecution. Could or would you do it?
Depends of if the looter was Flipper Mike or not.
Land of the free my ass.
Citizen_Cain wrote:
No strings attached, no prosecution. Could or would you do it?
Depends of if the looter was Flipper Mike or not.
Given the conditions in New Orleans etc looting for drink & food is wholly justified – if I was in charge at the superdome I would have organised groups to go out and bring back whatever they can find!
Asking this question is an insult to the people dying in the stricken areas and displays an arrogance and lack of compassion that is becoming so typical of "modern" USA.
But at least Bush is doing something to keep the petrol prices down.
Land of the free my ass.
No strings attached, no prosecution. Looter or not, I would kill H.I.V. Steve for no reason at all.
of "modern" USA.You’re an absolute moron and pure troll fodder.
"±© Flipper Mike ®³" wrote in message
H.I.V. Steve wrote:Citizen_Cain wrote:No strings attached, no prosecution. Could or would you do it?
Depends of if the looter was Flipper Mike or not.
No strings attached, no prosecution. Looter or not, I would kill H.I.V. Steve for no reason at all.
I would tie FM to a stake in the middle of the superdome and let the rapist have their way with him.
Given the conditions in New Orleans etc looting for drink & food is wholly justified – if I was in charge at the superdome I would have organised groups to go out and bring back whatever they can find!
Asking this question is an insult to the people dying in the stricken areas and displays an arrogance and lack of compassion that is becoming so typical of "modern" USA.
But at least Bush is doing something to keep the petrol prices down.
Land of the free my ass.
No doubt a lot of Americans will now jump in and defend their proud nation – sorry, wake up and smell the roses! The Americans have achieved a lot and no doubt will achieve more in the future – but in case you didn’t notice the fruits of their labour are enjoyed by less and less people. Or did you miss how Bush & his cronies squandered the surplus (that was supposed to pay back the US debt) on tax cuts for the rich? Did you miss how the first response to the catastrophe was to protect property (eg shoot looters) rather than saving lives? That the big relief news was that the national oil reserves were opened up to stabilise the price of oil? How choreographed Bush’s visit in Biloxi was? It’s a pity you don’t watch foreign news, but foreign correspondents (e.g. the British and German reports I’ve seen) expressed their disgust at what was done (e.g. rescue teams were "searching" behind Bush where no bodies were but in view of the cameras, and when the cameras were done they left!!! Bush couldn’t even be bothered to actually go where the search was!!!) The inequality between rich and poor is not just wider than at any time in history in any country, but is getting bigger at an increasing rate! The number / percentage of poor in the US is increasing, and naked greed and exploitation is barely hidden under the pretence of freedom.
And if you think that is an isolated event – just look at Iraq. Let’s be candid about one thing – I was for the Iraq war. Because Saddam (who was originally brought to power with the support of the US) committed virtual genocide in the north and south of the country. But the incredible incompetence of what happened next (not to forget the corruption that allowed Bush’s cronies to fill their pockets) and which cost over 100,000 people their lives is only equalled by the incompetence shown in Louisiana (where now over 10,000 people are expected to have died).
So forgive me if I don’t think your arrogance is any longer justified. A lot of things have been going increasingly wrong in the US, and if you don’t wake up soon then you’ll find that "Freedom without responsibility is just anarchy".
So forgive me if I don’t think your arrogance is any longer justified. A lot of things have been going increasingly wrong in the US, and if you don’t wake up soon then you’ll find that "Freedom without responsibility is just anarchy".
Given the conditions in New Orleans etc looting for drink & food is wholly justified – if I was in charge at the superdome I would have organised groups to go out and bring back whatever they can find!
Asking this question is an insult to the people dying in the stricken areas
and displays an arrogance and lack of compassion that is becoming so typical
of "modern" USA.
No strings attached, no prosecution. Could or would you do it?
"H.I.V. Steve" wrote in message
Citizen_Cain wrote:
No strings attached, no prosecution. Could or would you do it?
Depends of if the looter was Flipper Mike or not.
No. I think that it’s a crime of a very serious nature, but you don’t deserve to die for it.
On Sat, 03 Sep 2005 22:04:03 GMT, Markus wrote:And Bush isn’t as bad as all that. They once elected Calvin Coolidge fer chrissake… 😉
So forgive me if I don’t think your arrogance is any longer justified. A lot of things have been going increasingly wrong in the US, and if you don’t wake up soon then you’ll find that "Freedom without responsibility is just anarchy".
and if you do not wake up out of your deep sleep,
you will never find out that Bush is the prefered
leader of America. So say the voters, you bloody fool.
I would tie FM to a stake in the middle of the superdome and let the rapist have their way with him.
What makes "Markus" so straight, and me so bent?
No doubt a lot of Americans will now jump in and defend their proud nation – sorry, wake up and smell the roses! The Americans have achieved a lot and no doubt will achieve more in the future – but in case you didn’t notice the fruits of their labour are enjoyed by less and less people. Or did you miss how Bush & his cronies squandered the surplus (that was supposed to pay back the US debt) on tax cuts for the rich? Did you miss how the first response to the catastrophe was to protect property (eg shoot looters) rather than saving lives? That the big relief news was that the national oil reserves were opened up to stabilise the price of oil? How choreographed Bush’s visit in Biloxi was? It’s a pity you don’t watch foreign news, but foreign correspondents (e.g. the British and German reports I’ve seen) expressed their disgust at what was done (e.g. rescue teams were "searching" behind Bush where no bodies were but in view of the cameras, and when the cameras were done they left!!! Bush couldn’t even be bothered to actually go where the search was!!!) The inequality between rich and poor is not just wider than at any time in history in any country, but is getting bigger at an increasing rate! The number / percentage of poor in the US is increasing, and naked greed and exploitation is barely hidden under the pretence of freedom.
And if you think that is an isolated event – just look at Iraq. Let’s be candid about one thing – I was for the Iraq war. Because Saddam (who was originally brought to power with the support of the US) committed virtual genocide in the north and south of the country. But the incredible incompetence of what happened next (not to forget the corruption that allowed Bush’s cronies to fill their pockets) and which cost over 100,000 people their lives is only equalled by the incompetence shown in Louisiana (where now over 10,000 people are expected to have died).
So forgive me if I don’t think your arrogance is any longer justified. A lot of things have been going increasingly wrong in the US, and if you don’t wake up soon then you’ll find that "Freedom without responsibility is just anarchy".
Fuck yeah! Anarchy!
Fuck yeah! Anarchy!
Scruff wrote:I would tie FM to a stake in the middle of the superdome and let the rapist have their way with him.
Why would you do something he enjoyed?
This is yet another reason why you suck. FM…
On Sat, 03 Sep 2005 15:14:39 -0700, Russell B
wrote:
Fuck yeah! Anarchy!
Yeah, I knew Ann Archy in college, lol.
Of all the DAVIDHEROs I’ve known, "DAVIDHERO" is the DAVIDHEROiest.
On Sat, 03 Sep 2005 15:14:39 -0700, Russell B
wrote:
Fuck yeah! Anarchy!
Yeah, I knew Ann Archy in college, lol.
Yeah, I knew her sister, "Mal Archy," lol.
What makes "Wavy G: Prettiest Boy in All of Usenet" so straight, and me so bent?
Of all the DAVIDHEROs I’ve known, "DAVIDHERO" is the DAVIDHEROiest.
On Sat, 03 Sep 2005 15:14:39 -0700, Russell B
wrote:
Fuck yeah! Anarchy!
Yeah, I knew Ann Archy in college, lol.
Yeah, I knew her sister, "Mal Archy," lol.
Yeah, I knew her fat triplet cousins, "Olig Archy," lol.
In article <43195854$0$21701$>, "Zilva
Zanga" wrote:
"H.I.V. Steve" wrote in message
Citizen_Cain wrote:
No strings attached, no prosecution. Could or would you do it?
Depends of if the looter was Flipper Mike or not.
No. I think that it’s a crime of a very serious nature, but you don’t deserve to die for it.
Actually you do. You’re taking advantage of someone else’s misfortune to line your own "pockets", and that sort of selfish scum the planet can do without. The only exceptions of course are the need for necessities like food, water, medical emergencies, etc.
"Anybody" wrote in message
In article <43195854$0$21701$>, "Zilva
Zanga" wrote:
"H.I.V. Steve" wrote in message
Citizen_Cain wrote:
No strings attached, no prosecution. Could or would you do it?
Depends of if the looter was Flipper Mike or not.
No. I think that it’s a crime of a very serious nature, but you don’t deserve to die for it.
Actually you do. You’re taking advantage of someone else’s misfortune to line your own "pockets", and that sort of selfish scum the planet can do without. The only exceptions of course are the need for necessities like food, water, medical emergencies, etc.
So what gives YOU the right to decide that someone is looting & that they should die? I’m Australian & don’t care what Americans do to each other, but there’s a whole lot of scum on this rock who we all could do without. What gives you the right to decide who they are?
On Sun, 04 Sep 2005 00:15:32 +0200, DD wrote:lot
On Sat, 03 Sep 2005 22:04:03 GMT, Markus wrote:
So forgive me if I don’t think your arrogance is any longer justified. A
justof things have been going increasingly wrong in the US, and if you don’t wake up soon then you’ll find that "Freedom without responsibility is
And Bush isn’t as bad as all that. They once elected Calvin Coolidge fer chrissake… 😉anarchy".
and if you do not wake up out of your deep sleep,
you will never find out that Bush is the prefered
leader of America. So say the voters, you bloody fool.
—
Hecate – The Real One
Fashion: Buying things you don’t need, with money
you don’t have, to impress people you don’t like…
Of all the Russell Bs I’ve known, "Russell B" is the Russell Biest.
What makes "Wavy G: Prettiest Boy in All of Usenet" so straight, and me so bent?
Of all the DAVIDHEROs I’ve known, "DAVIDHERO" is the DAVIDHEROiest.
On Sat, 03 Sep 2005 15:14:39 -0700, Russell B
wrote:
Fuck yeah! Anarchy!
Yeah, I knew Ann Archy in college, lol.
Yeah, I knew her sister, "Mal Archy," lol.
Yeah, I knew her fat triplet cousins, "Olig Archy," lol.
Yeah, or their French uncle "Mon Archy," lol.
No doubt a lot of Americans will now jump in and defend their proud nation –
sorry, wake up and smell the roses! The Americans have achieved a lot and no
doubt will achieve more in the future – but in case you didn’t notice the fruits of their labour are enjoyed by less and less people. Or did you miss
how Bush & his cronies squandered the surplus (that was supposed to pay back
the US debt) on tax cuts for the rich? Did you miss how the first response to the catastrophe was to protect property (eg shoot looters) rather than saving lives? That the big relief news was that the national oil reserves were opened up to stabilise the price of oil? How choreographed Bush’s visit
in Biloxi was? It’s a pity you don’t watch foreign news, but foreign correspondents (e.g. the British and German reports I’ve seen) expressed their disgust at what was done (e.g. rescue teams were "searching" behind Bush where no bodies were but in view of the cameras, and when the cameras were done they left!!! Bush couldn’t even be bothered to actually go where the search was!!!) The inequality between rich and poor is not just wider than at any time in history in any country, but is getting bigger at an increasing rate! The number / percentage of poor in the US is increasing, and naked greed and exploitation is barely hidden under the pretence of freedom.
And if you think that is an isolated event – just look at Iraq. Let’s be candid about one thing – I was for the Iraq war. Because Saddam (who was originally brought to power with the support of the US) committed virtual genocide in the north and south of the country. But the incredible incompetence of what happened next (not to forget the corruption that allowed Bush’s cronies to fill their pockets) and which cost over 100,000 people their lives is only equalled by the incompetence shown in Louisiana (where now over 10,000 people are expected to have died).
So forgive me if I don’t think your arrogance is any longer justified. A lot
of things have been going increasingly wrong in the US, and if you don’t wake up soon then you’ll find that "Freedom without responsibility is just anarchy".
Given the conditions in New Orleans etc looting for drink & food is wholly justified – if I was in charge at the superdome I would have organised groups to go out and bring back whatever they can find!
Asking this question is an insult to the people dying in the stricken areas and displays an arrogance and lack of compassion that is becoming so typical of "modern" USA.
But at least Bush is doing something to keep the petrol prices down.
Land of the free my ass.
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Given the conditions in New Orleans etc looting for drink & food is wholly
justified – if I was in charge at the superdome I would have organised groups to go out and bring back whatever they can find! (/quote)
Thats what i thought too! if you have no food and clean water, i’d organize people to get stuff back too!
I am deeply angered by Bush not responding for four days (responding by helping i mean)
And back to the SURVEY
No. You don’t kill people especially not for things like that.
"Markus" wrote in message<snipe snipped>
Criticising what is wrong is not being un-American – it is what being American is all about: to make right.
Here are a few untrue facts:
Where would that be, except michalemoore.com ?The only conclusion that can be drawn from this is that a new clique of rich
Americans – A NEW ARISTOCRACY – is running the country, and if you really think that this is the land of the free and you are not being screwed over left and right then you are dumber than I thought.
No, that makes you an idiot. You think that the only conclusion is your yours and any one who might draw another conclusion is wrong. That is what America is defiantly NOT about.
BTW. this news group is about Adobe Photoshop, Go troll you political spew in a group where it is welcomed…
And I imagine that someday we will have to come and pull your ass out of the fire too.
We go and die for people we don’t even know. Over and over again.
you are pitiful! What have you done for anybody lately? Just sit at you
computer and type out some dumb ass judgmental dissertation.. I love you! I am leaving from for Louisiana to help people rather that sit an my ass an point fingers and pretend like I am some sort of expert on the way should things should be.
I say again, your are pitiful! What have you done for anybody?
You are part of the problem. You can criticize but you have no answers.
You sir are pitiful, I love you!
I am an American. I am going to part of the solution.
What have you done to help anybody?
On Sun, 04 Sep 2005 11:05:48 -0500, DBLEXPOSURE wrote:
And I imagine that someday we will have to come and pull your ass out of the
fire too.
Yes, and I’m sure they’ll be just overjoyed with all the smug, self-satisfied nonsense they’ll have to endure after that one.
We go and die for people we don’t even know. Over and over again.
We go and die for our own self interest. Actually, we send other people to go and die for our own self interest.
you are pitiful! What have you done for anybody lately? Just sit at you
And just what are you doing except sitting at _your_ computer and writing stupid, ungrammatical sputum about a country that you don’t know a damn thing about? If he’s pitiful then you’re not even worth pitying.
computer and type out some dumb ass judgmental dissertation.. I love you! I
am leaving from for Louisiana to help people rather that sit an my ass an point fingers and pretend like I am some sort of expert on the way should things should be.
Just what we need, the stupid helping the desparate. Please, do both you and them a favor and stay home.
I say again, your are pitiful! What have you done for anybody?
I say again, you should stay home and learn English.
You are part of the problem. You can criticize but you have no answers.
At least fifty countries, including Sri Lanka and Indonesia, have offered help in one form or another. Our government, which is run by people who are as full of themselves as you, told them "No thank you. We have the situation under control."
You sir are pitiful, I love you!
You are an insipid moron who has no idea what’s going on beyond your own back yard.
I am an American. I am going to part of the solution.
If you fall in that water, you just might be. And when it finally dries out, you’ll be part of the precipitate. Meanwhile, I can’t see how you’d be much use, but perhaps you’ll grow up a little, assuming you survive.
What have you done to help anybody?
You mean besides offering money, medical help, helicopters, and engineering support? Why, just offering to help us with policing the streets of New Orleans, and search and rescue teams to help rescue people trapped in buildings. But we apparently have it all under control, thank you.
You mean besides offering money, medical help, helicopters, and engineering support? Why, just offering to help us with policing the streets of New Orleans, and search and rescue teams to help rescue people trapped in buildings. But we apparently have it all under control, thank you.
If you fall in that water, you just might be. And when it finally dries out, you’ll be part of the precipitate. Meanwhile, I can’t see how you’d be much use, but perhaps you’ll grow up a little, assuming you survive.
Just what we need, the stupid helping the desparate. Please, do both you and them a favor and stay home.
(quote)20. DBLEXPOSURE Sep 5, 3:18 am show options
I start paper work and training tomorrow with the Red Cross. I hope to be
on the Gulf coast within three weeks.
You can be part of the solution or, You can listen to the sound of your own
gums flapping…. (/quote)
did i say i did not help contribute?
unlike some people, i just do not annouce or tell the world i contributed. thats listening to my own gums flapping.
what i am doing is, like people around any forum is, exchanging opinions, OPINIONS and knowledge.
opinions matter to me, because unlike many, i’d like to know what people are feelin about a particular situation. it makes me less insensitive to other peoples viewpoints.
good luck with your training.
unlike some people, i just do not annouce or tell the world i contributed. thats listening to my own gums flapping.
what i am doing is, like people around any forum is, exchanging opinions, OPINIONS and knowledge.
opinions matter to me, because unlike many, i’d like to know what people are feelin about a particular situation. it makes me less insensitive to other peoples viewpoints.
You mean besides offering money, medical help, helicopters, and engineering support? Why, just offering to help us with policing the streets of New Orleans, and search and rescue teams to help rescue people trapped in buildings. But we apparently have it all under control, thank you.
No, I mean you, personally. What have YOU done besides be critical?
people who sit around and bitch and moan and second guess offer absolutely nothing to the solution. You want to make the problem go away, get off your ass and do something….
Or sit there on your ass and cast out insults, makes me no difference…
Whining, do nothing, self proclaimed expert…
If you fall in that water, you just might be. And when it finally dries out, you’ll be part of the precipitate. Meanwhile, I can’t see how you’d be much use, but perhaps you’ll grow up a little, assuming you survive.
10 years Airbone Ranger… screw you..
Just what we need, the stupid helping the desparate. Please, do both you and them a favor and stay home.
Proof of your ignorance.. anything positive to offer? OF course not, your part of the problem.
Seems the world is full of back seat drivers who, in there dreams, think would have done better. It is easy to sit back and criticize but reallyit
does nothing to help. Unless of course it helps to inflate your own ego.own
In reality, none of you have any real idea of the reality of the logistic nightmare. If any of you really think those in charge where just sitting back and not trying to do anything then you are really nieve, or perhaps just enjoy listening to the sound of your own gums flapping.
If you are really serious, then get off your ass and do something!
I start paper work and training tomorrow with the Red Cross. I hope to be on the Gulf coast within three weeks.
You can be part of the solution or, You can listen to the sound of your
gums flapping….Just don’t go there to teach them spelling.
On Sun, 04 Sep 2005 16:44:09 -0500, DBLEXPOSURE wrote:————-
You mean besides offering money, medical help, helicopters, and engineering support? Why, just offering to help us with policing the streets of New Orleans, and search and rescue teams to help rescue people trapped in buildings. But we apparently have it all under control, thank you.
No, I mean you, personally. What have YOU done besides be critical?
I’ve done what I can.
people who sit around and bitch and moan and second guess offer absolutely
nothing to the solution. You want to make the problem go away, get off your
ass and do something….
You know nothing about me, and yet you assume that I’m doing nothing.
Or sit there on your ass and cast out insults, makes me no difference…
Whining, do nothing, self proclaimed expert…
Moronic, blowhard know-nothing.
If you fall in that water, you just might be. And when it finally dries out, you’ll be part of the precipitate. Meanwhile, I can’t see how you’d be much use, but perhaps you’ll grow up a little, assuming you survive.
10 years Airbone Ranger… screw you..
Not on a bet. Though it’s now clear why you don’t have
anything good to say about what anyone else is doing. I’ve met very few rangers who thought anyone else was doing anything worthwhile that wasn’t related to killing people or blowing up things.
Just what we need, the stupid helping the desparate. Please, do both you and them a favor and stay home.
Proof of your ignorance.. anything positive to offer? OF course not, your
part of the problem.
Like I said, you know nothing about me or any of these other people.
Ordinarily, I’d be sympathetic to your problem. The burden of the last few years has fallen disproportionately on the military, particularly the ground pounders. Unfortunately, you’ve used up the goodwill by assuming that everyone who isn’t you is worthless.
I’ve done what I can.
Not on a bet. Though it’s now clear why you don’t have
anything good to say about what anyone else is doing.
I’ve met
very few rangers who thought anyone else was doing anything worthwhile that wasn’t related to killing people or blowing up things.
Ordinarily, I’d be sympathetic to your problem. The burden of the last few years has fallen disproportionately on the military, particularly the ground pounders.
Unfortunately, you’ve used up the
goodwill by assuming that everyone who isn’t you is worthless.
"Guido the XVIth" wrote in message
You guys are both idiots. You’re trollbaiting each other.
"DBLEXPOSURE" wrote in message
Seems the world is full of back seat drivers who, in there dreams, think would have done better. It is easy to sit back and criticize but reallyit
does nothing to help. Unless of course it helps to inflate your own ego.own
In reality, none of you have any real idea of the reality of the logistic
nightmare. If any of you really think those in charge where just sitting back and not trying to do anything then you are really nieve, or perhaps just enjoy listening to the sound of your own gums flapping.
If you are really serious, then get off your ass and do something!
I start paper work and training tomorrow with the Red Cross. I hope to be
on the Gulf coast within three weeks.
You can be part of the solution or, You can listen to the sound of your
gums flapping….Just don’t go there to teach them spelling.
In article <431a8be7$0$17734$>, "ZilvaPick a better scenario. Lynch the person pushing the trolley for looting & find out later that he/she was the shop keeper trying to save as much stock as he/she could.
Zanga" wrote:
"Anybody" wrote in message
In article <43195854$0$21701$>, "Zilva
Zanga" wrote:
"H.I.V. Steve" wrote in message
Citizen_Cain wrote:
No strings attached, no prosecution. Could or would you do it?
Depends of if the looter was Flipper Mike or not.
No. I think that it’s a crime of a very serious nature, but you don’t deserve to die for it.
Actually you do. You’re taking advantage of someone else’s misfortune to line your own "pockets", and that sort of selfish scum the planet can do without. The only exceptions of course are the need for necessities like food, water, medical emergencies, etc.
So what gives YOU the right to decide that someone is looting & that they should die? I’m Australian & don’t care what Americans do to each other, but
there’s a whole lot of scum on this rock who we all could do without. What
gives you the right to decide who they are?
Looting is stealing – it’s almost always obvious, especially when some greedy scum is pushing a shopping trolley full of DVD players out of an electronics store window and there’s no shop staff around for miles. :-\
And I’m not American anyway.
Defending the U.S. government’s response to Hurricane Katrina, Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff argued Saturday that government planners did not predict such a disaster ever could occur.
But in fact, government officials, scientists and journalists have warned of such a scenario for years.
Every official at the Federal Emergency Management Agency should be fired, Director Michael Brown especially.
In a nationally televised interview Thursday night, he said his agency hadn’t known until that day that thousands of storm victims were stranded at the Ernest N. Morial Convention Center. He gave another nationally televised interview the next morning and said, "We’ve provided food to the people at the Convention Center so that they’ve gotten at least one, if not two meals, every single day."
Lies don’t get more bald-faced than that, Mr. President.
Yet, when you met with Mr. Brown Friday morning, you told him, "You’re doing a heck of a job."
That’s unbelievable.
No doubt a lot of Americans will now jump in and defend their proudnation –
sorry, wake up and smell the roses!
"Markus" wrote in message
No doubt a lot of Americans will now jump in and defend their proudnation –
sorry, wake up and smell the roses!
(snip)…
You are free to leave.
No doubt a lot of Americans will now jump in and defend their proud nation – sorry, wake up and smell the roses!
(snip)…
You are free to leave.
Criticising what is wrong is not being un-American – it is what being American is all about: to make right.
Here are a few facts:
Americans came to the New World to escape oppression and virtual slavery, to
escape the inequality that blighted the English society. Consequently the pursuit of happiness was one of the cornerstones of the new constitution.
BUT
The inequalities in the US between the rich and the poor are worse than they
EVER were or are in Britain (or anywhere in Europe)
The inequalities have not shrunk under the Bush government but are increasing in leaps and bounds. This is not due to the poor being lazy but due to the tax breaks benefiting the rich and being paid for by the poor and
middle-income earners (look at the statistics to see how many former middle-class members have joined the ranks of the poor, who can no longer afford health care, or retirement!)
Corruption and Cronyism are rife in the US – just look at the contracts for
Iraq!
The Supreme Court – THE GUARDIAN OF THE CONSTITUTION ! – has now openly come
out on the side of the rich and greedy against what is right: see "Kelo vs New London". The fifth amendment allows the state to seize private property
only for "public use" (like building roads). However a private developer in
New London (Connecticut) wanted to raze some perfectly nice waterfront homes
to built an office block and some posh apartments. The owners didn’t want to
sell. The City forced them to (calculating that the development would create
jobs and yield more taxes) …
AND THE SUPREME COURT TOOK THE CITY’S SIDE!!!!!
And all the while the leaders lie with a straight face when asked to take responsibility for anything, e.g.
Defending the U.S. government’s response to Hurricane Katrina, Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff argued Saturday that government planners
did not predict such a disaster ever could occur.
But in fact, government officials, scientists and journalists have warned of
such a scenario for years.
or
Every official at the Federal Emergency Management Agency should be fired,
Director Michael Brown especially.
In a nationally televised interview Thursday night, he said his agency hadn’t
known until that day that thousands of storm victims were stranded at the Ernest N. Morial Convention Center. He gave another nationally televised interview the next morning and said, "We’ve provided food to the people at the
Convention Center so that they’ve gotten at least one, if not two meals, every
single day."
Lies don’t get more bald-faced than that, Mr. President.
Yet, when you met with Mr. Brown Friday morning, you told him, "You’re doing a
heck of a job."
That’s unbelievable.
The only conclusion that can be drawn from this is that a new clique of rich
Americans – A NEW ARISTOCRACY – is running the country, and if you really think that this is the land of the free and you are not being screwed over left and right then you are dumber than I thought.
Criticizing what is wrong is not being un-American – it is what being American is all about: to make right.
The inequalities in the US between the rich and the poor are worse than they
EVER were or are in Britain (or anywhere in Europe)
Defending the U.S. government’s response to Hurricane Katrina, Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff argued Saturday that government planners
did not predict such a disaster ever could occur.
But in fact, government officials, scientists and journalists have warned of
such a scenario for years.
The only conclusion that can be drawn from this is that a new clique of rich
Americans – A NEW ARISTOCRACY – is running the country, and if you really think that this is the land of the free and you are not being screwed over left and right then you are dumber than I thought.
You know who was a great fan of making people leave? Stalin.
"Anybody" wrote in message
In article <431a8be7$0$17734$>, "Zilva
Zanga" wrote:
"Anybody" wrote in message
In article <43195854$0$21701$>, "Zilva
Zanga" wrote:
"H.I.V. Steve" wrote in message
Citizen_Cain wrote:
No strings attached, no prosecution. Could or would you do it?
Depends of if the looter was Flipper Mike or not.
No. I think that it’s a crime of a very serious nature, but you don’t deserve to die for it.
Actually you do. You’re taking advantage of someone else’s misfortune to line your own "pockets", and that sort of selfish scum the planet can do without. The only exceptions of course are the need for necessities like food, water, medical emergencies, etc.
So what gives YOU the right to decide that someone is looting & that they should die? I’m Australian & don’t care what Americans do to each other, but
there’s a whole lot of scum on this rock who we all could do without. What
gives you the right to decide who they are?
Looting is stealing – it’s almost always obvious, especially when some greedy scum is pushing a shopping trolley full of DVD players out of an electronics store window and there’s no shop staff around for miles. :-\
And I’m not American anyway.
Pick a better scenario. Lynch the person pushing the trolley for looting & find out later that he/she was the shop keeper trying to save as much stock as he/she could.
If they were breaking and entering into my home, YES. Otherwise, NO. And I certainly would not condon harming anyone who was looting food and other items essential to their survival or physical comfort under the circumstances existing in New Orleans. In fact, I read that some stores just opened the doors and told the ‘looters’ to help themselves. Given the situation, that is what I would have done.
You are putting
words in someone’s mouth. that make you as big of a liar as you proclaim him to be. If you are going to quote someone, get_it_right!
Show me some numbers otherwise your
statement is pure demagogic bullshit.
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Date: Sat, 03 Sep 2005 18:38:07 GMT
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Given the conditions in New Orleans etc looting for drink & food is wholly
justified – if I was in charge at the superdome I would have organised groups to go out and bring back whatever they can find! (/quote)
Thats what i thought too! if you have no food and clean water, i’d organize people to get stuff back too!
I am deeply angered by Bush not responding for four days (responding by helping i mean)
And back to the SURVEY
No. You don’t kill people especially not for things like that.
You are free to leave.
That one always cracks me up – as un-American a comment as can be.
You know who was a great fan of making people leave? Stalin.
You are putting
words in someone’s mouth. that make you as big of a liar as you proclaim him to be. If you are going to quote someone, get_it_right!
The quote was straight from CNN (copy/paste) so you are telling me your media are lying, not the government?
Show me some numbers otherwise your
statement is pure demagogic bullshit.
Sources about the increasing divide between rich and poor include the Economist (probably the most authoritive publication on the economy and politics though slightly center-right), Alan Greenspan (yes, THE Alan Greenspan), and Kevin Watkins (Oxfam).
And have a look at the following
http://www.foodfirst.org/node/184
http://www.csmonitor.com/2005/0614/p01s03-usec.html
and especially
http://www.trinity.edu/~mkearl/strat.html
which shows the change in average household net worth from 1983-98:
bottom 40% of the population -76.3%
top 1% + 42.2%
and since then it got even worse.
I can defend my position with numbers – can you? You are obviously one of the affluent minority who hasn’t a clue what’s going on in their own backyard. As I said: Wake up.
The quote was straight from CNN (copy/paste) so you are telling me your media are lying, not the government?
"Markus" wrote in message<snip>
As I said, this is a news group for the discussion of Adobe Photoshop. Go troll you political spew somewhere else…
I fail to understand your goal or your point. I suppose because there is none. Go worry about your own country. We’ll be just fine…
As I said, this is a news group for the discussion of Adobe Photoshop. Go troll you political spew somewhere else…
I fail to understand your goal or your point. I suppose because there is none. Go worry about your own country. We’ll be just fine…
As I said, this is a news group for the discussion of Adobe Photoshop. Go troll you political spew somewhere else…
Well, I didn’t start the cross-posting – I started posting in stargate and there was a point to it all (e.g. that people "worry" about a Goauld or Ori takeover and enslavement when we are doing a pretty good job ourselves).
But I gave you facts and numbers (eg you lost the argument) and all you can do is say "go away" – rather pitiful.
isI fail to understand your goal or your point. I suppose because there
Gonone. Go worry about your own country. We’ll be just fine…
As I said, this is a news group for the discussion of Adobe Photoshop.
Oritroll you political spew somewhere else…
Well, I didn’t start the cross-posting – I started posting in stargate and there was a point to it all (e.g. that people "worry" about a Goauld or
takeover and enslavement when we are doing a pretty good job ourselves).can
But I gave you facts and numbers (eg you lost the argument) and all you
do is say "go away" – rather pitiful.Let me finish his argument for him.
I fail to understand your goal or your point. I suppose because there is none. Go worry about your own country. We’ll be just fine…
As I said, this is a news group for the discussion of Adobe Photoshop. Go
troll you political spew somewhere else…
Well, I didn’t start the cross-posting – I started posting in stargate and there was a point to it all (e.g. that people "worry" about a Goauld or Ori
takeover and enslavement when we are doing a pretty good job ourselves).
But I gave you facts and numbers (eg you lost the argument) and all you can
do is say "go away" – rather pitiful.
No doubt a lot of Americans will now jump in and defend their proud nation – sorry, wake up and smell the roses! The Americans have achieved a lot and no doubt will achieve more in the future – but in case you didn’t notice the fruits of their labour are enjoyed by less and less people.
Citizen_Cain wrote:
No strings attached, no prosecution. Could or would you do it?
Markus wrote:nation –
No doubt a lot of Americans will now jump in and defend their proud
and nosorry, wake up and smell the roses! The Americans have achieved a lot
thedoubt will achieve more in the future – but in case you didn’t notice
compare.fruits of their labour are enjoyed by less and less people.
OK, where are you from? Let’s see how the leaders of your country
—This guy is a third world agitant.
Gerald
"Gerald Meazell" wrote in message
Markus wrote:nation –
No doubt a lot of Americans will now jump in and defend their proud
and nosorry, wake up and smell the roses! The Americans have achieved a lot
thedoubt will achieve more in the future – but in case you didn’t notice
compare.fruits of their labour are enjoyed by less and less people.
OK, where are you from? Let’s see how the leaders of your country
—This guy is a third world agitant.
Gerald
H.I.V. Steve wrote:
Citizen_Cain wrote:
No strings attached, no prosecution. Could or would you do it?
If the looter was looting my house or business, yes. If I was guarding the houses/businesses of my neighbors, yes again. Would I go down the street indiscriminately shooting looters? No. Maim, maybe. 🙂
Markus wrote:
No doubt a lot of Americans will now jump in and defend their proud nation – sorry, wake up and smell the roses! The Americans have achieved a lot and no doubt will achieve more in the future – but in case you didn’t notice the fruits of their labour are enjoyed by less and less people.
OK, where are you from? Let’s see how the leaders of your country compare.
He’s from under a bridge.
This guy is a third world agitant.
I start paper work and training tomorrow with the Red Cross. I hope to be
on the Gulf coast within three weeks.
Actually you do. You’re taking advantage of someone else’s misfortune to line your own "pockets", and that sort of selfish scum the planet can do without. The only exceptions of course are the need for necessities like food, water, medical emergencies, etc.
looting is a douchebag thing to do, but its not an offense punishible by the death penalty in any state.
stick a couple tasers in the water and stop them in their tracks, stick ’em jail for 10 years.
looting is a douchebag thing to do, but its not an offense punishible by the death penalty in any state.
stick a couple tasers in the water and stop them in their tracks, stick ’em jail for 10 years.
– Brian
Actually you do. You’re taking advantage of someone else’s misfortune to line your own "pockets", and that sort of selfish scum the planet can do without. The only exceptions of course are the need for necessities like food, water, medical emergencies, etc.
quote:Kill all looters period!
On Wed, 07 Sep 2005 20:23:46 GMT, "Brian (aka Zod)
How can you say such things with such casualness?
killing isn’t funny, its a sign of the dire state of the times when casual remarks about killing people are thrown like that.
quote:Kill all looters period!
On Wed, 07 Sep 2005 20:23:46 GMT, "Brian (aka Zod)
How can you say such things with such casualness?
killing isn’t funny, its a sign of the dire state of the times when casual remarks about killing people are thrown like that.
"BALLA69" wrote in message
quote:Kill all looters period!
On Wed, 07 Sep 2005 20:23:46 GMT, "Brian (aka Zod)
How can you say such things with such casualness?
killing isn’t funny, its a sign of the dire state of the times when casual remarks about killing people are thrown like that.
I disagree.
In situations such as New Orleans, or the riots ten years ago (and forty years ago) in Los Angeles, the people doing the looting are definitely opportunists.
There is not a "dire state of the times," The people doing the looting most certainly have a criminal mind, and are just taking advantage of the situation to "justify" their behavior.
On Thu, 08 Sep 2005 16:05:35 GMT, "RSD99"
scribbled:
"BALLA69" wrote in message
quote:Kill all looters period!
On Wed, 07 Sep 2005 20:23:46 GMT, "Brian (aka Zod)
How can you say such things with such casualness?
killing isn’t funny, its a sign of the dire state of the times when casual remarks about killing people are thrown like that.
I disagree.
In situations such as New Orleans, or the riots ten years ago (and forty years ago) in Los Angeles, the people doing the looting are definitely opportunists.
There is not a "dire state of the times," The people doing the looting most certainly have a criminal mind, and are just taking advantage of the situation to "justify" their behavior.
So those people who hadn’t had food or water for five plus days were just criminals when they broke into the stores to get food and water for their dying children
On Thu, 08 Sep 2005 16:32:55 GMT, Voivod wrote:
On Thu, 08 Sep 2005 16:05:35 GMT, "RSD99"
scribbled:
"BALLA69" wrote in message
quote:Kill all looters period!
On Wed, 07 Sep 2005 20:23:46 GMT, "Brian (aka Zod)
How can you say such things with such casualness?
killing isn’t funny, its a sign of the dire state of the times when casual remarks about killing people are thrown like that.
I disagree.
In situations such as New Orleans, or the riots ten years ago (and forty years ago) in Los Angeles, the people doing the looting are definitely opportunists.
There is not a "dire state of the times," The people doing the looting most certainly have a criminal mind, and are just taking advantage of the situation to "justify" their behavior.
So those people who hadn’t had food or water for five plus days were just criminals when they broke into the stores to get food and water for their dying children
the looting I saw happened within 24 hours of the storm hit, not four or five days later.
lookit the crossposting, the sure sign of trolls at work.
On Thu, 08 Sep 2005 16:05:35 GMT, "RSD99"
scribbled:
"BALLA69" wrote in message
quote:Kill all looters period!
On Wed, 07 Sep 2005 20:23:46 GMT, "Brian (aka Zod)
How can you say such things with such casualness?
killing isn’t funny, its a sign of the dire state of the times when casual remarks about killing people are thrown like that.
I disagree.
In situations such as New Orleans, or the riots ten years ago (and forty years ago) in Los Angeles, the people doing the looting are definitely opportunists.
There is not a "dire state of the times," The people doing the looting most certainly have a criminal mind, and are just taking advantage of the situation to "justify" their behavior.
So those people who hadn’t had food or water for five plus days were just criminals when they broke into the stores to get food and water for their dying children and that doesn’t quality as dire state of the times? I’d like to see you try swapping places with them and how long it would take for your moral high ground to crumble.
Kill all looters period!
Looter aren’t people, they’re plain greedy scum that the planet is better off without.So Adolph, you’re saying we should just shoot them dead? How about if we just cut off their hand and feet.
On Thu, 08 Sep 2005 12:50:14 -0400, howldogWelcome back Voivod. I thought you just died up in Canada somewhere?
lookit the crossposting, the sure sign of trolls at work.
So what?
On Thu, 08 Sep 2005 12:50:14 -0400, howldog
scribbled:
On Thu, 08 Sep 2005 16:32:55 GMT, Voivod wrote:
On Thu, 08 Sep 2005 16:05:35 GMT, "RSD99"
scribbled:
"BALLA69" wrote in message
quote:Kill all looters period!
On Wed, 07 Sep 2005 20:23:46 GMT, "Brian (aka Zod)
How can you say such things with such casualness?
killing isn’t funny, its a sign of the dire state of the times when casual remarks about killing people are thrown like that.
I disagree.
In situations such as New Orleans, or the riots ten years ago (and forty years ago) in Los Angeles, the people doing the looting are definitely opportunists.
There is not a "dire state of the times," The people doing the looting most certainly have a criminal mind, and are just taking advantage of the situation to "justify" their behavior.
So those people who hadn’t had food or water for five plus days were just criminals when they broke into the stores to get food and water for their dying children
the looting I saw happened within 24 hours of the storm hit, not four or five days later.
Then open your eyes more often. The opinions of the uninformed are worthless.
In article <BF4236B1.1EB7B%>, Markus
wrote:
You know who was a great fan of making people leave? Stalin.
Is there a Godwin version for Stalin?
Reminds me of a scene from The Young Ones.
RICK: They’re called nipples, and we all have them.
VYVIAN: I don’t.
RICK: No, and nor did Adolf Hitler!
In article <050920051336045742%>, Quiet Desperation wrote:
In article <BF4236B1.1EB7B%>, Markus
wrote:
You know who was a great fan of making people leave? Stalin.
Is there a Godwin version for Stalin?
Reminds me of a scene from The Young Ones.
RICK: They’re called nipples, and we all have them.
VYVIAN: I don’t.
RICK: No, and nor did Adolf Hitler!
I thought the body part Hitler was lacking was a testicle, not nipples… are you saying I was lied to in song? I hate that…
Hitler, he only had one ball…
On Thu, 08 Sep 2005 12:50:14 -0400, howldog
scribbled:
On Thu, 08 Sep 2005 16:32:55 GMT, Voivod wrote:
On Thu, 08 Sep 2005 16:05:35 GMT, "RSD99"
scribbled:
"BALLA69" wrote in message
quote:Kill all looters period!
On Wed, 07 Sep 2005 20:23:46 GMT, "Brian (aka Zod)
How can you say such things with such casualness?
killing isn’t funny, its a sign of the dire state of the times when casual remarks about killing people are thrown like that.
I disagree.
In situations such as New Orleans, or the riots ten years ago (and forty years ago) in Los Angeles, the people doing the looting are definitely opportunists.
There is not a "dire state of the times," The people doing the looting most
certainly have a criminal mind, and are just taking advantage of the situation to "justify" their behavior.
So those people who hadn’t had food or water for five plus days were just criminals when they broke into the stores to get food and water for their dying children
the looting I saw happened within 24 hours of the storm hit, not four or five days later.
Then open your eyes more often. The opinions of the uninformed are worthless.
lookit the crossposting, the sure sign of trolls at work.
So what?
"Voivod" wrote in message
On Thu, 08 Sep 2005 12:50:14 -0400, howldog
scribbled:
On Thu, 08 Sep 2005 16:32:55 GMT, Voivod wrote:
On Thu, 08 Sep 2005 16:05:35 GMT, "RSD99"
scribbled:
"BALLA69" wrote in message
quote:Kill all looters period!
On Wed, 07 Sep 2005 20:23:46 GMT, "Brian (aka Zod)
How can you say such things with such casualness?
killing isn’t funny, its a sign of the dire state of the times when casual remarks about killing people are thrown like that.
I disagree.
In situations such as New Orleans, or the riots ten years ago (and forty years ago) in Los Angeles, the people doing the looting are definitely opportunists.
There is not a "dire state of the times," The people doing the looting most
certainly have a criminal mind, and are just taking advantage of the situation to "justify" their behavior.
So those people who hadn’t had food or water for five plus days were just criminals when they broke into the stores to get food and water for their dying children
the looting I saw happened within 24 hours of the storm hit, not four or five days later.
Then open your eyes more often. The opinions of the uninformed are worthless.
lookit the crossposting, the sure sign of trolls at work.
So what?
I have to agree with howldog… The looting I witnessed was not people stealing groceries, it was people stealing THINGS! I didn’t see a single
example of people taking food for them and their children. I saw dozens of people running with stereos and TVs and racks of clothing and other STUFF, nothing that would be of any value in a disaster/survival situation.
Looters should be dealt with using the same seriousness and severity as any other TRAITOROUS SCUM, and as far as I’m concerned, anyone who would use the cover of a disaster to rob their neighbors is just that, A TRAITOR! Traitors need to be shot.
I have to agree with howldog… The looting I witnessed was not people stealing groceries, it was people stealing THINGS! I didn’t see a single
And of course the news media showed you everything that ever happened? Bow down to the almighty TV, imbecile.
example of people taking food for them and their children. I saw dozens of
people running with stereos and TVs and racks of clothing and other STUFF, nothing that would be of any value in a disaster/survival situation.
Clothing has no value in a disaster situation?
How many have you survived?
Looters should be dealt with using the same seriousness and severity as any
other TRAITOROUS SCUM, and as far as I’m concerned, anyone who would use the
cover of a disaster to rob their neighbors is just that, A TRAITOR! Traitors need to be shot.
Do you even know what the word ‘traitor’ means?
"Voivod" wrote in message
On Thu, 08 Sep 2005 12:50:14 -0400, howldog
scribbled:
On Thu, 08 Sep 2005 16:32:55 GMT, Voivod wrote:
On Thu, 08 Sep 2005 16:05:35 GMT, "RSD99"
scribbled:
"BALLA69" wrote in message
quote:Kill all looters period!
On Wed, 07 Sep 2005 20:23:46 GMT, "Brian (aka Zod)
How can you say such things with such casualness?
killing isn’t funny, its a sign of the dire state of the times when casual remarks about killing people are thrown like that.
I disagree.
In situations such as New Orleans, or the riots ten years ago (and forty years ago) in Los Angeles, the people doing the looting are definitely opportunists.
There is not a "dire state of the times," The people doing the looting most
certainly have a criminal mind, and are just taking advantage of the situation to "justify" their behavior.
So those people who hadn’t had food or water for five plus days were just criminals when they broke into the stores to get food and water for their dying children
the looting I saw happened within 24 hours of the storm hit, not four or five days later.
Then open your eyes more often. The opinions of the uninformed are worthless.
lookit the crossposting, the sure sign of trolls at work.
So what?
I have to agree with howldog… The looting I witnessed was not people stealing groceries, it was people stealing THINGS! I didn’t see a single example of people taking food for them and their children. I saw dozens of people running with stereos and TVs and racks of clothing and other STUFF, nothing that would be of any value in a disaster/survival situation. Looters should be dealt with using the same seriousness and severity as any other TRAITOROUS SCUM, and as far as I’m concerned, anyone who would use the cover of a disaster to rob their neighbors is just that, A TRAITOR! Traitors need to be shot.
causedHow many have you survived?
Well, lets see…
Natural Disasters;
3 Hurricanes, a two and a half week black-out in alaska in february
by 21 simultaneous avalanches, and a 9.7 earthquake.
Man Made
2 House fires, a multiple automobile pileup, and a sinking fishing boat.
On Mon, 12 Sep 2005 15:56:24 -0600, "Alien Merchant" Vovoid is a moron, i dont know why he/she/it continues to troll the photoshop group, i wonder if this person even owns a copy of photoshop.
Vovoid is a moron, i dont know why he/she/it continues to troll the photoshop group, i wonder if this person even owns a copy of photoshop.
vovoid, you suck.
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