Inspiration Needed :-)

Chris:
There are still ways to account for folks who don’t have Flash, and part of being an effective designer is accomodating such things, like the rather large number of people who have the same limitation Dan does on his browser. Like it or not, Flash is past it’s "cool factor" phase, and many folks don’t choose to view it. If that’s a segment of your audience you don’t mind blindfolding, feel free (or hell… send ’em to my site). 😉

Just something to consider…

Ben W.
Perpetua Interactive
http://www.perpetuainteractive.com

Chris wrote:

sorry dan but i work in flash…

"Dan" wrote in message

visit my page to see if you like my stuff. i designed everything on

it…www.swock.com<<<

With Flash disabled, ~ none ~ of your work appears and there are no navigation links.

Dan
http://www.FreelanceWorkshops.com

"Chris" <jeremy@(removethis)swock.com> wrote in message

if you would like a logo designed i can help you out there hit me up at

visit my page to see if you like my stuff. i designed everything on

it…

www.swock.com

peace
-jeremy

"Seth_Gecko" wrote in message

not being the most creative person in the world 😉 i was wondering if

some

of yuo pro designers can help me with a logo for my business it’s a real estate company called

Bar of Gold Real Estates

i dont know if this is the most appropriate forum to request help for something like this but i’d appreciate any ideas
or feedback 🙂

thanks very much !

"Seth_Gecko" gave Roy Batty a mean glare and
said:

Bar of Gold Real Estates

You must be Gordon Gecko’s brother

"You’re watching a stage play. A banquet is in progess. The guests are enjoying an appetizer of raw oysters.
The entree consists of boiled dog."

"Helaman" wrote:

I use Linux and usually a browser without flash.
I may be missing something without flash, I hope not.
Anyway life goes on such as it is…

You missed some singing horses, the viking kittens and a cartoon or two.

—
Farlo
Urban Fey Dragon
"Imperial" States of America
(The Land of Confusion)

😉

"Rick Deckard" wrote in message

"Seth_Gecko" gave Roy Batty a mean glare and
said:

Bar of Gold Real Estates

You must be Gordon Gecko’s brother

"You’re watching a stage play. A banquet is in progess. The guests are enjoying an appetizer of raw oysters.
The entree consists of boiled dog."

Holden lifts off in Batty’s freight spinner and says:

have you read Bladerunner 2 – Edge of human?

"Rick Deckard" wrote in message

"Seth_Gecko" gave Roy Batty a mean glare and
said:

Bar of Gold Real Estates

You must be Gordon Gecko’s brother

"You’re watching a stage play. A banquet is in progess. The guests are enjoying an appetizer of raw oysters.
The entree consists of boiled dog."

oops, i didn’t mean to send to group…

"Andy Collier" wrote in message

Holden lifts off in Batty’s freight spinner and says:

have you read Bladerunner 2 – Edge of human?

"Rick Deckard" wrote in message

"Seth_Gecko" gave Roy Batty a mean glare and
said:

Bar of Gold Real Estates

You must be Gordon Gecko’s brother

"You’re watching a stage play. A banquet is in progess. The guests are enjoying an appetizer of raw oysters.
The entree consists of boiled dog."

Do it, or I’ll kick your @$$!

How’s that for inspiration? ;

bring it foo
"Fungusamungus" wrote in message

Do it, or I’ll kick your @$$!

How’s that for inspiration? ;

"Ben Woodward" wrote in message

Chris:
There are still ways to account for folks who don’t have Flash, and part of being an effective designer is accomodating such things, like the rather large number of people who have the same limitation Dan does on his browser. Like it or not, Flash is past it’s "cool factor" phase, and many folks don’t choose to view it. If that’s a segment of your audience you don’t mind blindfolding, feel free (or hell… send ’em to my site).

😉

Just something to consider…

the odd thing is that it is only the links that are in flash…. and they could be almost replicated with a bit of javascript.

"Chris" <jeremy@(removethis)swock.com> wrote in message

sorry dan but i work in flash…

Oh well, some poor bugger has to.
You are disenfranchising 75% of your potential audience – nobody likes Flash any more, it’s old hat.

On Thu, 10 Jul 2003 23:12:35 +0100, "Alan D-W" wrote:

"Chris" <jeremy@(removethis)swock.com> wrote in message

sorry dan but i work in flash…

Oh well, some poor bugger has to.
You are disenfranchising 75% of your potential audience – nobody likes Flash any more, it’s old hat.

Thing is 93% or maybe more have the flash reader embedded in their browser. it’s a small minority who don’t. I don’t object to people using flash for buttons and small animations. That’s where it’s useful However, the problems occur when they write the whole site in Flash, or even just the front page. Ever tried bookmarking a Flash front page? Yes, I know you can go Favourites/Add but I would contend that Most general browsers (as in people) are used to right clicking and selecting Add to…

It’s inappropriate use of Flash that’s the problem. When ever I build a Flash-enabled site, Flash is only used for details, like buttons. And I started giving people pure HTML and/or Javascript links as an alternative long ago. It doesn’t take much extra effort to do that if you use templates, and it keeps everybody happy. 😉

—

Hecate
(Fried computers a specialty)

"D

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"Dan" wrote

In the history of the web, no technology has been more abused than Flash.

I’d probably agree with that, but why I see that as so is probably different than your view. I think it is because of the power and ease with which it allows people to create and enhance web sites with multimedia.

Spam is more welcome than Flash

That’s way overstated. My guess is that you can’t support that statement with any published facts or stats. Please, show me if you can.

"Dan" wrote in message

In the history of the web, no technology has been more abused than Flash. Spam is more welcome than Flash, and you know how people feel about spam.

Most people are not even aware anymore when they are viewing Flash.<<<

Many people have discovered/sought out workarounds to dispose of the Flash annoyance. Here is one that works well in IE:

http://www.geocities.jp/baryonlee/noflash/

An icon sits in your systems tray so you can click on it if you become temporarily insane and want to view Flash. Otherwise, no Flash in any form will appear. Ever.

Dan
http://www.FreelanceWorkshops.com

"Alan D-W" wrote in message

"Chris" <jeremy@(removethis)swock.com> wrote in message

sorry dan but i work in flash…

Oh well, some poor bugger has to.
You are disenfranchising 75% of your potential audience – nobody likes

Flash

any more, it’s old hat.

Well, I like it.

Stephan

Fred wrote:

I think it is because of the power and ease with which it allows people

to create and enhance web sites with multimedia.<<<

If websites were actually being enhanced with Flash, Flash would not be the pariah it is.

Yes, yes, Flash is popular among adolescent geeks who are still stuck in dot-com nirvana. There are those who still think the <blink> tag is cool, too. I say "dead technologies," every consumer-driven survey agrees and *you* point out the exceptions.

You’re not going to suck me into "prove it" either, not with you. You were the one emphatically stating that all was well with the telecom companies/broadband within weeks of those companies recording the largest bankruptcies in U.S. history.

I know I know!!! You can spin that; everything is A-Okay, best thing that could have happened.

Go tell it to the Marines.

Anyone who thinks, at this late date, that Flash has any major future on the web is living in a complete fantasy world or — more likely — mom’s basement.

Dan
http://www.FreelanceWorkshops.com

"Use Flash. Go to Jail. That’s the Law." That’s not actually a law. It’s a bumper sticker. But it should be a law! 🙂

"Fred Doyle" wrote in message

"Dan" wrote

In the history of the web, no technology has been more abused than

Flash.

I’d probably agree with that, but why I see that as so is probably

different

than your view. I think it is because of the power and ease with which it allows people to create and enhance web sites with multimedia.

Spam is more welcome than Flash

That’s way overstated. My guess is that you can’t support that statement with any published facts or stats. Please, show me if you can.

"Dan" wrote in message

In the history of the web, no technology has been more abused than

Flash.

Spam is more welcome than Flash, and you know how people feel about

spam.

Most people are not even aware anymore when they are viewing

Flash.<<<

Many people have discovered/sought out workarounds to dispose of the

Flash

annoyance. Here is one that works well in IE:

http://www.geocities.jp/baryonlee/noflash/

An icon sits in your systems tray so you can click on it if you become temporarily insane and want to view Flash. Otherwise, no Flash in any

form

will appear. Ever.

Dan
http://www.FreelanceWorkshops.com

I am on linux box and usualy use a browser with no flash installed. Maybe I am missing something but I don’t think so.
Life goes on such as it is.

On Thu, 10 Jul 2003 01:38:10 +0100, Hecate wrote:

On Wed, 09 Jul 2003 23:40:32 GMT, "Chris"
<jeremy@(removethis)swock.com> wrote:

sorry dan but i work in flash…

Poor thing, you’ll get over it… 😉

—

Hecate
(Fried computers a specialty)

In comp.graphics.misc Fred Doyle wrote:

Or is the NY Times, Rolling Stone, Disney, ABC TV, ESPN, Hewlett Packard, Absolute Vodka, Porsche, Mini Cooper, Nike and a whole raft of other Fortune 500 companie

Hehe… Yeah, and when was the last time I had any reason to visit the websites of:

Rolling Stone
Disney
ESPN
Absolut Vodka
Porsche
Mini Cooper
or:
Nike

?

I don’t think I’ve _EVER_ had any reason to visit them. Sometimes, I think companies make websites just because they can. Admittedly, I don’t drink, I despise Disney, and I’ll never have enough money to waste it on cars like those. And I hate sports. :^)

Maybe I’m not the typical demographic?

-bill!
(who most often visits Maps.Yahoo.com, WellsFargo online banking, SourceForge, Friendster, and Slashdot, Google, and the sites I find via them)

In comp.graphics.misc Alan D-W wrote:

If, as seems apparent, your reason for using Flash is its ability to link to databases and other files then you have discovered the wrong technology. You should be using ASP or PHP if that’s what you’re after, at least that’s what the real dynamic db driven websites use, not Flash bloatware.

I honestly had NO IDEA Flash had "database support."

I’d be just as surprise if someone said my car can fold laundry. It’s just not two things I’d have put together!

I guess I’m not a very ‘l33t’ web developer, since I didn’t know that fact. 😉

-bill!

—
Got kids? Get Tux Paint!
http://newbreedsoftware.com/bill/ http://newbreedsoftware.com/tuxpaint/

"William Kendrick" wrote

I honestly had NO IDEA Flash had "database support."

All Flash does is pass variables to a PHP, ASP or other server side script that does the database query and then passes the query result back to Flash in a URL encoded form. Flash then is used to facilitate display of the data.

—
Fred Doyle
www.leafpublishing.com

"William Kendrick" wrote in message

In comp.graphics.misc Alan D-W wrote:

If, as seems apparent, your reason for using Flash is its ability to

link to

databases and other files then you have discovered the wrong technology.

You

should be using ASP or PHP if that’s what you’re after, at least that’s

what

the real dynamic db driven websites use, not Flash bloatware.

I honestly had NO IDEA Flash had "database support."
I’d be just as surprise if someone said my car can fold laundry. It’s just not two things I’d have put together!

I guess I’m not a very ‘l33t’ web developer, since I didn’t know that

fact. 😉

-bill!

—
Got kids? Get Tux

Paint!

http://newbreedsoftware.com/bill/

http://newbreedsoftware.com/tuxpaint/

On Wed, 9 Jul 2003 20:56:00 +0200, "Seth_Gecko" wrote:

not being the most creative person in the world 😉 i was wondering if some of yuo pro designers can help me with a logo for my business it’s a real estate company called

Bar of Gold Real Estates

i dont know if this is the most appropriate forum to request help for something like this but i’d appreciate any ideas
or feedback 🙂

thanks very much !

LEt’s talk about this Seth.

I would be willing to do this logo for you at no charge. You can contact me at

~WuLi

"WuLiMaster" wrote in message

On Wed, 9 Jul 2003 20:56:00 +0200, "Seth_Gecko" wrote:

not being the most creative person in the world 😉 i was wondering if

some

of yuo pro designers can help me with a logo for my business it’s a real estate company called

Bar of Gold Real Estates

i dont know if this is the most appropriate forum to request help for something like this but i’d appreciate any ideas
or feedback 🙂

thanks very much !

LEt’s talk about this Seth.

I would be willing to do this logo for you at no charge. You can contact me at

Do you have a list of free services you perform
Can you clean? walk the dog etc?

Stephan

I cann help you!
I ukrainian desinger!

Kontakt to my:

"Seth_Gecko"

I using – PhotoShop 7, CorelDraw 11, Illustratop 10, QuarkExpress 4.1, Acrobat 5.0.
I profesional in Desinge!

"Evgeniy Kondratskiy"