Color Correction (theory question?)

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Dec 19, 2003
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I could use a jump-start here. Call me in dire need of a clue. It has been mentioned a few times that one should use curves to correct color, but I don’t recall the details. How, exactly, does changing a curve change color? Yep, I’m stuck in the misconception that curves changes contrast.

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bhilton665
Dec 19, 2003
From: (jjs)

I could use a jump-start here. Call me in dire need of a clue. It has been mentioned a few times that one should use curves to correct color, but I don’t recall the details. How, exactly, does changing a curve change color? Yep, I’m stuck in the misconception that curves changes contrast.

Run the curve on one of the channels instead of on the composite. Then you’ll see a color change, and if you’re watching the RGB values (set up a color measurement point in the Info palette) you can change it with a great deal of precision.

Some really smart guys do ALL their color correction with curves, to the point they feel us mere mortals who sometimes go slumming and use Levels or Hue/Sat or some other wimpy tool must be girly-men when it comes to Photoshop. Dan Margulis comes to mind …

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tacitr
Dec 19, 2003
How, exactly, does changing a curve change
color? Yep, I’m stuck in the misconception that curves changes contrast.

Open your Curves dialog. At the top, you will see a popup menu that says "CMYK" or "RGB" (depending on which color mode your image is using). Changing the curve at this point will change the overall contrast, or change the overall lightness or darkness, or change lightness, darkness, or contrast in localized tonal areas, depending on what you do.

Now, click on the popup menu. You will have the choice to select each color channel individually. This is how you perform color correction.

By changing the curve in each channel, you can change the color balance of the entire image, or change the color balance of localized tonal areas.

For example, let us suppose you have a CMYK image which was shot under flourescent light. It’s greenish. To change the colorbalance, you would open the Curves dialog, then in the Magenta channel, add magenta to the midtones and shadows. Depending on the nature of the color cast,y ou might also remove Cyan selectively from the hilights and midtones.

If you have an RGB image that is too red in the shadows, you would open the Curves dialog, go to the Red channel, and subtract red from the shadows; it might also be beneficial to boost density in the shadows by adding green and blue.

Curves is your best first line of approach for color correction; it allows you to make both obvious and subtle changes to the color of all or part of your image. It does far, far more than just change contrast.


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john
Dec 19, 2003
Tacit said in part.
For example, let us suppose you have a CMYK image which was shot under flourescent light. It’s greenish. […]

You read my mind. Yep, I’ve got a shot with corrupted color due to the fact that some of the flourescents were not daylight. They were _supposed_ to be daylight, but the maintenance crew had their way, didn’t follow the book. A friggin shame of thing to do to a gallery. (I’m going to have to buy a color meter.)

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Thank you Bill and Tacit. Tacit, your explanation was particularly generous and perfectly clear. I owe you one.


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john
Dec 19, 2003
In article ,
(Bill Hilton) wrote:

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Channels! Of course. (slapping my dim brain)

Some really smart guys do ALL their color correction with curves, to the point they feel us mere mortals who sometimes go slumming and use Levels or Hue/Sat or some other wimpy tool must be girly-men when it comes to Photoshop.

Girly-men? LOL! I hear that pink frilly panties are included with Elements. True?
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Flycaster
Dec 19, 2003
"Bill Hilton" wrote in message
From: (jjs)

I could use a jump-start here. Call me in dire need of a clue. It has
been
mentioned a few times that one should use curves to correct color, but I don’t recall the details. How, exactly, does changing a curve change color? Yep, I’m stuck in the misconception that curves changes contrast.

Run the curve on one of the channels instead of on the composite. Then
you’ll
see a color change, and if you’re watching the RGB values (set up a color measurement point in the Info palette) you can change it with a great deal
of
precision.

Some really smart guys do ALL their color correction with curves, to the
point
they feel us mere mortals who sometimes go slumming and use Levels or
Hue/Sat
or some other wimpy tool must be girly-men when it comes to Photoshop.
Dan
Margulis comes to mind …

Jeez, "slumming girly-men", eh? Well, I’ve been called worse…

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Farlo
Dec 19, 2003
"Flycaster" wrote:

Jeez, "slumming girly-men", eh? Well, I’ve been called worse…

I’ve BEEN worse … =;>


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Mike Russell
Dec 21, 2003
jjs wrote:
I could use a jump-start here. Call me in dire need of a clue. It has been mentioned a few times that one should use curves to correct color, but I don’t recall the details. How, exactly, does changing a curve change color? Yep, I’m stuck in the misconception that curves changes contrast.

Here’s a new PS plugin that takes a new look at curves, including shadow, highlight, and neutrals, as well as color spaces that you may find interesting: www.curvemeister.com


Mike Russell
www.curvemeister.com
www.geigy.2y.net
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john
Dec 21, 2003
In article <0deFb.1332$>, "Mike Russell" wrote:

jjs wrote:
I could use a jump-start here. Call me in dire need of a clue. It has

Here’s a new PS plugin that takes a new look at curves, including shadow, highlight, and neutrals, as well as color spaces that you may find interesting: www.curvemeister.com

Many thanks, Master Russell!
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Warren Sarle
Dec 21, 2003
"Mike Russell" wrote in message

Here’s a new PS plugin that takes a new look at curves, including shadow, highlight, and neutrals, as well as color spaces that you may find interesting: www.curvemeister.com

How does this differ from using the black, gray, and white eyedroppers in the Levels and Curves commands?
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Mike Russell
Dec 21, 2003
Warren Sarle wrote:
"Mike Russell" wrote in message

Here’s a new PS plugin that takes a new look at curves, including shadow, highlight, and neutrals, as well as color spaces that you may find interesting: www.curvemeister.com

How does this differ from using the black, gray, and white eyedroppers in the Levels and Curves commands?

In several ways. Two important ones are that the shadow, highlight, and neutral points are carried over to the other color spaces, so the work you do in RGB modifies the Lab, wg-CMYK, and HSB curves as well. You can also drag around the highlight and shadow points after the fact to fine tune them.

The curvemeister demo is fully functional, so you can check out all these features, and run through the tutorials.


Mike Russell
www.curvemeister.com
www.geigy.2y.net

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