Photoshop CS2 and Fuji .RAF files (again !)

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What do i have to do to get Photoshop CS2 V9 to work with the Fuji RAW format (.RAF) ????. I have posted this before and have now upgraded from CS Version 8 (which didn’t work with .RAF files) to Photoshop CS2 Version 9. And it STILL doesn’t work with them !!!!!!!

Many Thanks
Andrew

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Aad
Jan 14, 2006
"andy100" schreef in bericht
What do i have to do to get Photoshop CS2 V9 to work with the Fuji RAW format (.RAF) ????. I have posted this before and have now upgraded from CS
Version 8 (which didn’t work with .RAF files) to Photoshop CS2 Version 9. And it STILL doesn’t work with them !!!!!!!

Many Thanks
Andrew
Seen this?
http://www.adobe.com/products/photoshop/cameraraw.html
Aad
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Barry Pearson
Jan 14, 2006
andy100 wrote:
What do i have to do to get Photoshop CS2 V9 to work with the Fuji RAW format (.RAF) ????. I have posted this before and have now upgraded from CS Version 8 (which didn’t work with .RAF files) to Photoshop CS2 Version 9. And it STILL doesn’t work with them !!!!!!!

It is necessary to identify specific camera models, not just the file extension. Here is the current list:
http://www.adobe.com/products/photoshop/cameraraw.html


Barry Pearson
http://www.barry.pearson.name/photography/
http://www.birdsandanimals.info/
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Avery
Jan 14, 2006
On Sat, 14 Jan 2006 08:59:47 -0000, "andy100" wrote:

What do i have to do to get Photoshop CS2 V9 to work with the Fuji RAW format (.RAF) ????. I have posted this before and have now upgraded from CS Version 8 (which didn’t work with .RAF files) to Photoshop CS2 Version 9. And it STILL doesn’t work with them !!!!!!!

Many Thanks
Andrew
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andy100
Jan 14, 2006
Well yeah, Version 3.1 says it supports the Fuji Finepix S5000 (mine is the S5600), so i would have thought it would support all cameras of the 5xxx variation !!!!! – they all use the Fuji .RAF file format !! – nevermind, i guess Photoshop is incomplete until it supports more RAW camera formats, the price i paid for Photoshop, you’d have thought it would !

Andrew

"Avery" wrote in message
On Sat, 14 Jan 2006 08:59:47 -0000, "andy100" wrote:
What do i have to do to get Photoshop CS2 V9 to work with the Fuji RAW format (.RAF) ????. I have posted this before and have now upgraded from
CS
Version 8 (which didn’t work with .RAF files) to Photoshop CS2 Version 9. And it STILL doesn’t work with them !!!!!!!

Many Thanks
Andrew
BP
Barry Pearson
Jan 15, 2006
andy100 wrote:
Well yeah, Version 3.1 says it supports the Fuji Finepix S5000 (mine is the S5600), so i would have thought it would support all cameras of the 5xxx variation !!!!! – they all use the Fuji .RAF file format !! – nevermind, i guess Photoshop is incomplete until it supports more RAW camera formats, the price i paid for Photoshop, you’d have thought it would !

[snip]

It isn’t just about the file format. It is also about the camera model calibration. Even with the same file format, different models may need different calibration data. Raw converter developers have to buy one or more of the new cameras and take some test shots with them. Adobe is no different.

Last year there was a post from Thomas Knoll in the Adobe forums that said "On the topic of new Fuji models, I’m also looking for sample raw files from the Fuji E900 and the Fuji S5200/S5600, which Adobe also has on order but has not received yet"! (Later he said that he no longer needed samples, so I guess that he has what is needed).

I estimate that Adobe adds new models at the rate of about 40 per year, batched into 3 or 4 releases of ACR and the DNG Converter. Each model has to be dealt with separately. So, in that sense, ACR will NEVER be complete. There will always be people who bought a new camera before their raw converter of choice supports it, and then they get irate having to wait! (Forums are currently full of people being irate about lack of D200 support).

The fault lies with the camera manufacturers, not with the raw converter developers. Had Fuji provided "DNG" as an option, it would immediately have been supported by ACR 2.4 under CS.


Barry Pearson
http://www.barry.pearson.name/photography/
http://www.birdsandanimals.info/
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andy100
Jan 15, 2006
Guess i’ll just wait then. It must be an easy thing to do though because i have some software called "FastStone Image Viewer" and it didn’t support the RAF file. So i e-mailed the author and he asked me to send a sample photo in RAF format. The next day he e-mailed me and said that he had "tweaked" the original release into a "beta" release and it DID then support it !!. So, if he can do it that easy then i cannot see why others can’t !!

Cheers
Andrew

"Barry Pearson" wrote in message
andy100 wrote:
Well yeah, Version 3.1 says it supports the Fuji Finepix S5000 (mine is
the
S5600), so i would have thought it would support all cameras of the 5xxx variation !!!!! – they all use the Fuji .RAF file format !! – nevermind,
i
guess Photoshop is incomplete until it supports more RAW camera formats,
the
price i paid for Photoshop, you’d have thought it would !

[snip]

It isn’t just about the file format. It is also about the camera model calibration. Even with the same file format, different models may need different calibration data. Raw converter developers have to buy one or more of the new cameras and take some test shots with them. Adobe is no different.

Last year there was a post from Thomas Knoll in the Adobe forums that said "On the topic of new Fuji models, I’m also looking for sample raw files from the Fuji E900 and the Fuji S5200/S5600, which Adobe also has on order but has not received yet"! (Later he said that he no longer needed samples, so I guess that he has what is needed).

I estimate that Adobe adds new models at the rate of about 40 per year, batched into 3 or 4 releases of ACR and the DNG Converter. Each model has to be dealt with separately. So, in that sense, ACR will NEVER be complete. There will always be people who bought a new camera before their raw converter of choice supports it, and then they get irate having to wait! (Forums are currently full of people being irate about lack of D200 support).

The fault lies with the camera manufacturers, not with the raw converter developers. Had Fuji provided "DNG" as an option, it would immediately have been supported by ACR 2.4 under CS.


Barry Pearson
http://www.barry.pearson.name/photography/
http://www.birdsandanimals.info/
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Aad
Jan 15, 2006
price i paid for Photoshop, you’d have thought it would !
Next time, think -before- you buy!
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Aad
Jan 15, 2006
"andy100" schreef in bericht
Guess i’ll just wait then. It must be an easy thing to do though because i have some software called "FastStone Image Viewer" and it didn’t support the
RAF file. So i e-mailed the author and he asked me to send a sample photo in
RAF format. The next day he e-mailed me and said that he had "tweaked" the original release into a "beta" release and it DID then support it !!. So, if
he can do it that easy then i cannot see why others can’t !!
Cheers
Andrew
Send it to Adobe!
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andy100
Jan 15, 2006
Wasn’t a matter of "think" before i bought. I was convinced it WAS able to view the .RAF format, it did say that it was able to read the RAF files for the 5000 series (of which mine falls into). They maybe should have said "ONLY the Finepix 5000" ""

Andrew

"Aad" wrote in message
price i paid for Photoshop, you’d have thought it would !
Next time, think -before- you buy!

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Avery
Jan 15, 2006
On Sun, 15 Jan 2006 11:28:08 -0000, "andy100" wrote:

Wasn’t a matter of "think" before i bought. I was convinced it WAS able to view the .RAF format, it did say that it was able to read the RAF files for the 5000 series (of which mine falls into). They maybe should have said "ONLY the Finepix 5000" ""

Andrew
You are dead right Andrew.

I can’t believe that they would pick out a couple of models in the range and omit the rest. Someone said that they had to wait to get a sample camera – that is just ridiculous, the Fuji ( or any) distributor would be glad to give them any number of pre release or demo models for as long as they wanted. I would have thought that it is in the best interest of both Adobe and the camera manufacturers to have it working – apparently Adobe and/or Fuji think differently.

Is there software from Fuji that will convert the .RAF files? I know they had it available for my S2, but it had to be bought separately at enormous cost – it was about the same price as Photoshop, and did sweet FA. I shot in TIFF mode until CS came out.
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Barry Pearson
Jan 15, 2006
andy100 wrote:
Wasn’t a matter of "think" before i bought. I was convinced it WAS able to view the .RAF format, it did say that it was able to read the RAF files for the 5000 series (of which mine falls into). They maybe should have said "ONLY the Finepix 5000" ""

The important Adobe page lists the cameras explicitly:
http://www.adobe.com/products/photoshop/cameraraw.html

Fujifilm
FinePix F700
FinePix S5000 Z
FinePix S7000 Z
FinePix S2 Pro
FinePix S3 Pro
FinePix S20 Pro


Barry Pearson
http://www.barry.pearson.name/photography/
http://www.birdsandanimals.info/
BP
Barry Pearson
Jan 15, 2006
Avery wrote:
[snip]
I can’t believe that they would pick out a couple of models in the range and omit the rest.

Someone said that they had to wait to get a
sample camera – that is just ridiculous, the Fuji ( or any) distributor would be glad to give them any number of pre release or demo models for as long as they wanted. I would have thought that it is in the best interest of both Adobe and the camera manufacturers to have it working – apparently Adobe and/or Fuji think differently.

[snip]

Of course it is in the best interest of ADOBE to support it as fast as possible. Unfortunately, some of the camera manufacturers don’t see things the same way. I don’t know why Adobe have such problems, sometimes – I find it bizarre that they can’t easily get hold of cameras!

Nikon are a well-known example of a manufacturer that puts obstacles in the way. I believe that, at the other extreme, Leica and Sigma have provided help to Adobe. I don’t know where Fuji lie on the scale.


Barry Pearson
http://www.barry.pearson.name/photography/
http://www.birdsandanimals.info/
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Avery
Jan 15, 2006
On 15 Jan 2006 04:24:49 -0800, "Barry Pearson" wrote:

Avery wrote:
[snip]
I can’t believe that they would pick out a couple of models in the range and omit the rest.

Someone said that they had to wait to get a
sample camera – that is just ridiculous, the Fuji ( or any) distributor would be glad to give them any number of pre release or demo models for as long as they wanted. I would have thought that it is in the best interest of both Adobe and the camera manufacturers to have it working – apparently Adobe and/or Fuji think differently.

[snip]

Of course it is in the best interest of ADOBE to support it as fast as possible. Unfortunately, some of the camera manufacturers don’t see things the same way. I don’t know why Adobe have such problems, sometimes – I find it bizarre that they can’t easily get hold of cameras!

Nikon are a well-known example of a manufacturer that puts obstacles in the way. I believe that, at the other extreme, Leica and Sigma have provided help to Adobe. I don’t know where Fuji lie on the scale.

I guess some of the manufacturers, maybe Fuji, think that they can sell their own software at a profit. I doubt that it works. I am sure Fuji would have sold more S2 Pro cameras if they had given their RAW converter away bundled with the camera.
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andy100
Jan 15, 2006
Yeah, by saying FinePix S5000 Z it would make MANY people think "Well i guess that includes the S5600 too" !!! – how wrong !!!

Thanks Avery, at least you seem to be on the same wavelength as me on this one !! – we pay a fortune for digital cameras, we pay a fortune for Photoshop, you’d have thought the least they would do would be to sort all the compatibility issues out beforehand, for free !!. Or at least say it was for the "S5000 Z ONLY (no other variations of 5xxx series !"

Andy

"Barry Pearson" wrote in message
andy100 wrote:
Wasn’t a matter of "think" before i bought. I was convinced it WAS able
to
view the .RAF format, it did say that it was able to read the RAF files
for
the 5000 series (of which mine falls into). They maybe should have said "ONLY the Finepix 5000" ""

The important Adobe page lists the cameras explicitly:
http://www.adobe.com/products/photoshop/cameraraw.html

Fujifilm
FinePix F700
FinePix S5000 Z
FinePix S7000 Z
FinePix S2 Pro
FinePix S3 Pro
FinePix S20 Pro


Barry Pearson
http://www.barry.pearson.name/photography/
http://www.birdsandanimals.info/
BP
Barry Pearson
Jan 15, 2006
andy100 wrote:
[snip]
Thanks Avery, at least you seem to be on the same wavelength as me on this one !! – we pay a fortune for digital cameras, we pay a fortune for Photoshop, you’d have thought the least they would do would be to sort all the compatibility issues out beforehand, for free !!. Or at least say it was for the "S5000 Z ONLY (no other variations of 5xxx series !"

The camera manufacturers have made things even worse than that. "D70" and D70s" have to be treated as different cameras. But "350D" and "Rebel XT" sound like different cameras, yet they are actually the same. Raw converter developers have to waste a lot of resources trying to sort all of this out. All of these problems affect all of the raw-handling software suppliers – it isn’t specific to Adobe. Adobe just gets more complaints because they support more cameras (over 100) and probably more people use it. Not because they do things particularly differently.

No one gets told when they buy it that Photoshop (more precisely ACR) supports (say) the D200. Ditto for other raw converters. Perhaps people assume that it is like film – we used to assume that a Nikon and a Canon and a Fuji would take standard 35mm film and there is no need to check.

But, with raw, the camera manufacturers have changed the rules. They don’t appear to care much about the problems faced by their users as long as they can sell cameras – and normally they can, because many people buy them without checking first. Lots of software developers (perhaps 50 or more companies) have to play "catch-up" instead of doing what photographers really want, which is to develop better raw converters and viewers and asset management systems.

The camera manufacturers could, if they chose to, avoid causing this pain to their users. They could publish their raw formats. They could give advanced notice of them to the software developers. They could provide DNG as an option, and then those cameras would immediately be supported by raw converters with full support for DNG.

But they don’t. And they may not bother to do so until photographers recognise what the problem REALLY is, and start complaining to the camera manufacturers. The software developers can’t solve this problem. Only the camera manufacturers can. But who is telling them this?


Barry Pearson
http://www.barry.pearson.name/photography/
http://www.birdsandanimals.info/
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andy100
Jan 15, 2006
Exactly ! – Thanks Barry !

Cheers
Andy

"Barry Pearson" wrote in message
andy100 wrote:
[snip]
Thanks Avery, at least you seem to be on the same wavelength as me on
this
one !! – we pay a fortune for digital cameras, we pay a fortune for Photoshop, you’d have thought the least they would do would be to sort
all
the compatibility issues out beforehand, for free !!. Or at least say it
was
for the "S5000 Z ONLY (no other variations of 5xxx series !"

The camera manufacturers have made things even worse than that. "D70" and D70s" have to be treated as different cameras. But "350D" and "Rebel XT" sound like different cameras, yet they are actually the same. Raw converter developers have to waste a lot of resources trying to sort all of this out. All of these problems affect all of the raw-handling software suppliers – it isn’t specific to Adobe. Adobe just gets more complaints because they support more cameras (over 100) and probably more people use it. Not because they do things particularly differently.

No one gets told when they buy it that Photoshop (more precisely ACR) supports (say) the D200. Ditto for other raw converters. Perhaps people assume that it is like film – we used to assume that a Nikon and a Canon and a Fuji would take standard 35mm film and there is no need to check.

But, with raw, the camera manufacturers have changed the rules. They don’t appear to care much about the problems faced by their users as long as they can sell cameras – and normally they can, because many people buy them without checking first. Lots of software developers (perhaps 50 or more companies) have to play "catch-up" instead of doing what photographers really want, which is to develop better raw converters and viewers and asset management systems.

The camera manufacturers could, if they chose to, avoid causing this pain to their users. They could publish their raw formats. They could give advanced notice of them to the software developers. They could provide DNG as an option, and then those cameras would immediately be supported by raw converters with full support for DNG.

But they don’t. And they may not bother to do so until photographers recognise what the problem REALLY is, and start complaining to the camera manufacturers. The software developers can’t solve this problem. Only the camera manufacturers can. But who is telling them this?

Barry Pearson
http://www.barry.pearson.name/photography/
http://www.birdsandanimals.info/

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