type colors wrong in InDesign unless convert to outlines

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Richard Galli
Feb 9, 2006
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Have a problem. No luck getting an answer in InDesign forums.

Using Windows 2000, InDesign CS, printing to brand new Ricoh 7200 color laser printer. Using CMYK, but same problem occurs using RGB.

Using either the color dialog box or a swatch, I apply an orange color (for example) to type and to an object (a rectangle for example). All looks fine on the screen. When I print, the box prints orange fine — so we know there is no gamut problem — but the type comes out yellow, not nearly what I selected, and WAY different from the box which has the same color applied.

This problem does NOT happen if I print from Photoshop. Type prints the color true in Photoshop.

Now… if I convert the type to "outlines" in InDesign then the type prints the right color orange and it matches the rectangle perfectly. No problem at all.

Orange is just an example. Other colors are botched as well.

Driving me crazy trying to figure out why this is happening. Tried reinstalling the program with no help. Tried putting the type on a separate layer with no help.

It is crazy that I have to convert type to outlines just to get the right color to print. I can’t edit the text once converted.

Any ideas?


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Laura K
Feb 9, 2006
Richard Galli wrote in news:oXwGf.79230$QW2.7964
@dukeread08:

Orange is just an example. Other colors are botched as well.
Driving me crazy trying to figure out why this is happening. Tried reinstalling the program with no help. Tried putting the type on a separate layer with no help.

It is crazy that I have to convert type to outlines just to get the right color to print. I can’t edit the text once converted.
Any ideas?

Try exporting a PDF from ID and print from Acrobat.
RG
Richard Galli
Feb 9, 2006
I did output to a PDF. Same problem.

The PDF file looks fine on the screen — the orange text color matches the color in the InDesign file. But when I print using the PS driver the color comes out a bright yellow, just as it does when printing from the ID file rather than the PDF file.

If anyone has a color laser printer and is willing to try printing a low-resolution pdf file to see if the color problem happens on your machine as well as mine, reply privately to me and I will send you the file.

Best wishes

Richard Galli

My new book — Of Rice and Men — has been released:
http://www.richardgalli.com/books.htm

Laura K wrote:
Richard Galli wrote in news:oXwGf.79230$QW2.7964
@dukeread08:

Orange is just an example. Other colors are botched as well.
Driving me crazy trying to figure out why this is happening. Tried reinstalling the program with no help. Tried putting the type on a separate layer with no help.

It is crazy that I have to convert type to outlines just to get the right color to print. I can’t edit the text once converted.
Any ideas?

Try exporting a PDF from ID and print from Acrobat.
RG
Richard Galli
Feb 9, 2006
I did output to a PDF. Same problem.

The PDF file looks fine on the screen — the orange text color matches the color in the InDesign file. But when I print using the PS driver the color comes out a bright yellow, just as it does when printing from the ID file rather than the PDF file.

Here’s the interesting thing: If I print a block of orange text with nothing behind it, the color comes out fine. If I print the block of text against a dark blue background, the orange text comes prints yellow. And if I print a 2" wide block of text against a 1" wide color background, the type before and after the block prints orange fine, and any part of the type on top of the dark background prints as yellow. If the edge of the background cuts through a character, then that part of the character on the background prints yellow, and that part which is on top of "paper" only prints orange.

This happens whether I print direct from InDesign or output to pdf first; and regardless of whether I am using cmyk or rgb colors.

If anyone has a Postscript color laser printer and is willing to try printing my one-page pdf test file to see if the color problem happens on your machine as well as mine, reply privately to me and I will email the file.

Best wishes

Richard Galli

My new book — Of Rice and Men — has been released:
http://www.richardgalli.com/books.htm

Richard Galli wrote:
I did output to a PDF. Same problem.

The PDF file looks fine on the screen — the orange text color matches the color in the InDesign file. But when I print using the PS driver the color comes out a bright yellow, just as it does when printing from the ID file rather than the PDF file.

If anyone has a color laser printer and is willing to try printing a low-resolution pdf file to see if the color problem happens on your machine as well as mine, reply privately to me and I will send you the file.

Best wishes

Richard Galli

My new book — Of Rice and Men — has been released:
http://www.richardgalli.com/books.htm

Laura K wrote:

Richard Galli wrote in news:oXwGf.79230$QW2.7964
@dukeread08:

Orange is just an example. Other colors are botched as well.
Driving me crazy trying to figure out why this is happening. Tried reinstalling the program with no help. Tried putting the type on a separate layer with no help.

It is crazy that I have to convert type to outlines just to get the right color to print. I can’t edit the text once converted.
Any ideas?

Try exporting a PDF from ID and print from Acrobat.
LK
Laura K
Feb 10, 2006
Richard Galli wrote in news:rnOGf.79309$QW2.4238
@dukeread08:

Here’s the interesting thing: If I print a block of orange text with nothing behind it, the color comes out fine. If I print the block of text against a dark blue background, the orange text comes prints yellow. And if I print a 2" wide block of text against a 1" wide color background, the type before and after the block prints orange fine, and any part of the type on top of the dark background prints as yellow. If the edge of the background cuts through a character, then that part of the character on the background prints yellow, and that part which is on top of "paper" only prints orange.

It sounds like a problem with the text not knocking out the color below it or one of the colors from the underlying color not getting added where it should be in the text. A few things to try:
1. Look in the help index for "knockout" and check the information they have there for various possibilities. There may be something not checked somewhere.
2. Save to a Cd and take to Kinkos or another quick press and have them run a print on their color laser, putting it through their RIP. Best to try this during non-busy times like later in the evening. I’ve often found them to be very helpful and willing to help solve problems like this.
3. Trash ID preferences and try again. ID is much like Illustrator and
trashing preferences solves a lot of problems.
4. Check the printer’s website and make sure you’ve got the latest updates for the printer and the PS driver. It could be a known problem.
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Tacit
Feb 10, 2006
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Laura K wrote:

It sounds like a problem with the text not knocking out the color below it or one of the colors from the underlying color not getting added where it should be in the text.

That will happen if the text is set to "overprint."


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