SATA drives

Bruce Coryell wrote:

I’m in the process of upgrading my computer and will have a MB with SATA capability. Does PS (CS2) work better on SATA drives as opposed to IDE?

Not better and not worse. Just a different interface. The total bandwidth of SATA (2) might be higher, but your harddrive doesn’t spin faster on SATA. IDE will be replaced gradually by SATA.

Waldo

In article <43f5baaa$0$25072$>,
Bruce Coryell wrote:

I’m in the process of upgrading my computer and will have a MB with SATA capability. Does PS (CS2) work better on SATA drives as opposed to IDE?

SATA disks are losely comparable to the best IDE drives, or better, and there are advantages other than performance. If the disks outlive this computer then the next one may very well have no IDE connectors.

The best SATA disks are better than any IDE. I’m not prepared to compare specific disk models but for my machine I have a highly-recommended 7200RPM IDE disk and and two SATA disks. I ran benchmarks and the two SATA disks are significantly better than the IDE under w2k.

There is no reason I can think of not to buy an all-SATA system. You can even get SATA CD/DVD drives now and I assume that floppy disks will evolve to be USB devices.

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Al Dykes wrote:

In article <43f5baaa$0$25072$>,
Bruce Coryell wrote:

I’m in the process of upgrading my computer and will have a MB with SATA capability. Does PS (CS2) work better on SATA drives as opposed to IDE?

SATA disks are losely comparable to the best IDE drives, or better, and there are advantages other than performance. If the disks outlive this computer then the next one may very well have no IDE connectors.
The best SATA disks are better than any IDE. I’m not prepared to compare specific disk models but for my machine I have a highly-recommended 7200RPM IDE disk and and two SATA disks. I ran benchmarks and the two SATA disks are significantly better than the IDE under w2k.

Better in what? I found no difference in all of my drives.

There is no reason I can think of not to buy an all-SATA system. You can even get SATA CD/DVD drives now and I assume that floppy disks will evolve to be USB devices.

Floppy drives are available as USB devices for some years now (initially for notebooks). But who use them nowadways?

Waldo

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Waldo wrote:

Al Dykes wrote:

In article <43f5baaa$0$25072$>,
Bruce Coryell wrote:

I’m in the process of upgrading my computer and will have a MB with SATA capability. Does PS (CS2) work better on SATA drives as opposed to IDE?

SATA disks are losely comparable to the best IDE drives, or better, and there are advantages other than performance. If the disks outlive this computer then the next one may very well have no IDE connectors.
The best SATA disks are better than any IDE. I’m not prepared to compare specific disk models but for my machine I have a highly-recommended 7200RPM IDE disk and and two SATA disks. I ran benchmarks and the two SATA disks are significantly better than the IDE under w2k.

Better in what? I found no difference in all of my drives.

I compared an 80GB IDE drive and two SATA drives in the same machine with HDTACH and the SATA drives gave significantly higher sustained transfer rate and use less CPU cycles to do it. All 7200 MB disks.

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On Fri, 17 Feb 2006 06:59:13 -0500, Bruce Coryell wrote:

I’m in the process of upgrading my computer and will have a MB with SATA capability. Does PS (CS2) work better on SATA drives as opposed to IDE?

You might consider the newest tech that records data vertically & horizontally. It’s not a double your data storage type thing, but it does increase the amount of storage by about 1/4.

Only 2 companies when I last read it, weeks ago that even had the tech, but it’s been in progress for years.

I have both SATA and IDE. IDE = 300 gig storage. SATA = 152 gig boot drive. I’ve never paid any attention to drive speed. There’s not a drive made that can keep up with a CPU so why even worry. Just get the fastest you can if speed is the goal. Or in my case the goal was size.
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Al Dykes wrote:

I compared an 80GB IDE drive and two SATA drives in the same machine with HDTACH and the SATA drives gave significantly higher sustained transfer rate and use less CPU cycles to do it. All 7200 MB disks.

I use IDE drives only and always wonder about SATA. What exactly do you mean by "significantly higher sustained transfer rate"?

A drive’s performance is a function of its specs such as seek time, rotation speed, buffer size, etc.) and its interface speed. If your drives all have the same specs, then the only reason a SATA drive outperforms an IDE drive is from SATA’s interface speed.

How the drives are configured also comes into play, such as partitioning, pagefile setup, etc.

It is not that straight forward to make accurate comparisons.

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Al Dykes wrote:

I compared an 80GB IDE drive and two SATA drives in the same machine with HDTACH and the SATA drives gave significantly higher sustained transfer rate and use less CPU cycles to do it. All 7200 MB disks.

I use IDE drives only and always wonder about SATA. What exactly do you mean by "significantly higher sustained transfer rate"?

Sustained transfer rate is the time it takes to read or write some huge amount of data, big enough to eliminate the boost that any buffers get you.

ISTR that the IDE disk gate me 40MB/sec and the SATA drives were 60MB/sec and with less CPU cycles. All are 7200 rpm disks.

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Al Dykes wrote:

In article <43f5baaa$0$25072$>,
Bruce Coryell wrote:

I’m in the process of upgrading my computer and will have a MB with SATA capability. Does PS (CS2) work better on SATA drives as opposed to IDE?

SATA disks are losely comparable to the best IDE drives, or better, and there are advantages other than performance. If the disks outlive this computer then the next one may very well have no IDE connectors.
The best SATA disks are better than any IDE. I’m not prepared to compare specific disk models but for my machine I have a highly-recommended 7200RPM IDE disk and and two SATA disks. I ran benchmarks and the two SATA disks are significantly better than the IDE under w2k.

Better in what? I found no difference in all of my drives.

There is no reason I can think of not to buy an all-SATA system. You can even get SATA CD/DVD drives now and I assume that floppy disks will evolve to be USB devices.

Floppy drives are available as USB devices for some years now (initially for notebooks). But who use them nowadways?

Waldo

They’re good for when you need to do an Automated System Recovery on ur XP machine, for some silly reason you can’t yet do an ASR without using a floppy drive.

E.

In article <43f865fe$0$30749$>,
EvilNem wrote:

"Waldo" wrote in message

Al Dykes wrote:

In article <43f5baaa$0$25072$>,
Bruce Coryell wrote:

I’m in the process of upgrading my computer and will have a MB with SATA capability. Does PS (CS2) work better on SATA drives as opposed to IDE?

SATA disks are losely comparable to the best IDE drives, or better, and there are advantages other than performance. If the disks outlive this computer then the next one may very well have no IDE connectors.
The best SATA disks are better than any IDE. I’m not prepared to compare specific disk models but for my machine I have a highly-recommended 7200RPM IDE disk and and two SATA disks. I ran benchmarks and the two SATA disks are significantly better than the IDE under w2k.

Better in what? I found no difference in all of my drives.

There is no reason I can think of not to buy an all-SATA system. You can even get SATA CD/DVD drives now and I assume that floppy disks will evolve to be USB devices.

Floppy drives are available as USB devices for some years now (initially for notebooks). But who use them nowadways?

Waldo

They’re good for when you need to do an Automated System Recovery on ur XP machine, for some silly reason you can’t yet do an ASR without using a floppy drive.

Huuump. How old is your machine? How often to you do an ASR, anyway?

You might post a query to either of these groups;

microsoft.public.windowsxp.hardware

microsoft.public.windowsxp.setup_deployment

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I have a SATA hardisk used for about 1 yr. and got many bad sectore. I took to the repairman who said he received a lot of SATA hardisk problems and mostly due to the SATA cable.

He recommended me to keep using the conventional IDE hardisk.

Any similar experience ?

JBH-HK

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I have a SATA hardisk used for about 1 yr. and got many bad sectore. I took to the repairman who said he received a lot of SATA hardisk problems and mostly due to the SATA cable.

He recommended me to keep using the conventional IDE hardisk.
Any similar experience ?

JBH-HK

SATA drives are no more prone to sector problems than any other modern drive. I have installed more than 3000 SATA drives in the last 4 months (I am a systems engineer in a large federal complex in Texas) and their failure rate is no more than a standard IDE drive. About 1% is normal. I don’t think the cable has anything to do with bad sectors. More than likely you experienced a drive from a bad production run.

Al Dykes wrote:

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<43f865fe$0$30749$>,
EvilNem wrote:

"Waldo" wrote in message

Al Dykes wrote:

In article <43f5baaa$0$25072$>,
Bruce Coryell wrote:

I’m in the process of upgrading my computer and will have a MB with SATA capability. Does PS (CS2) work better on SATA drives as opposed to IDE?

SATA disks are losely comparable to the best IDE drives, or better, and there are advantages other than performance. If the disks outlive this computer then the next one may very well have no IDE connectors.

The best SATA disks are better than any IDE. I’m not prepared to compare specific disk models but for my machine I have a highly-recommended 7200RPM IDE disk and and two SATA disks. I ran benchmarks and the two SATA disks are significantly better than the IDE under w2k.

Better in what? I found no difference in all of my drives.

There is no reason I can think of not to buy an all-SATA system. You can even get SATA CD/DVD drives now and I assume that floppy disks will evolve to be USB devices.

Floppy drives are available as USB devices for some years now (initially for notebooks). But who use them nowadways?

Waldo

They’re good for when you need to do an Automated System Recovery on ur XP machine, for some silly reason you can’t yet do an ASR without using a floppy drive.

Huuump. How old is your machine? How often to you do an ASR, anyway?
You might post a query to either of these groups;

microsoft.public.windowsxp.hardware

microsoft.public.windowsxp.setup_deployment

Actually, I find them handy when working on individual client’s machines when all they have is an upgrade version of their OS, which expects to find an existing upgradable OS (not available on a new hard drive) or be able to have loaded an upgradeable version CD. I still use the floppy that came with the original Windows 95, which loaded a command line and necessary CD drivers. By booting to it, I can run the upgrade OS install and provide the upgradable version CD when it requests it. This happened just recently, when a client still had his 98SE upgrade CD, and his 2000 upgrade CD, but not his original non-upgrade Windows CD.

Granted, I seldom have to resort to floppies, especially on later model machines and recent OSes, but when I do need them they’re indispensable.

"Al Dykes" wrote in message

In article <43f865fe$0$30749$>,
EvilNem wrote:

"Waldo" wrote in message

Al Dykes wrote:

In article <43f5baaa$0$25072$>,
Bruce Coryell wrote:

I’m in the process of upgrading my computer and will have a MB with SATA
capability. Does PS (CS2) work better on SATA drives as opposed to IDE?

SATA disks are losely comparable to the best IDE drives, or better, and there are advantages other than performance. If the disks outlive this computer then the next one may very well have no IDE connectors.
The best SATA disks are better than any IDE. I’m not prepared to compare specific disk models but for my machine I have a highly-recommended 7200RPM IDE disk and and two SATA disks. I ran benchmarks and the two SATA disks are significantly better than the IDE under w2k.

Better in what? I found no difference in all of my drives.

There is no reason I can think of not to buy an all-SATA system. You can even get SATA CD/DVD drives now and I assume that floppy disks will evolve to be USB devices.

Floppy drives are available as USB devices for some years now (initially for notebooks). But who use them nowadways?

Waldo

They’re good for when you need to do an Automated System Recovery on ur XP machine, for some silly reason you can’t yet do an ASR without using a floppy drive.

Huuump. How old is your machine? How often to you do an ASR, anyway?
You might post a query to either of these groups;

microsoft.public.windowsxp.hardware

microsoft.public.windowsxp.setup_deployment

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a d y k e s @ p a n i x . c o m

Don’t blame me. I voted for Gore.

Less than 12 month’s, and to install the SATA drives in it I had to use a floppy because that’s the only way you can install the drivers for them, but having just spent 35 hours restoring a client server from an ASR set, without a floppy drive, would have meant a complete server rebuild, granted on a home machine they aren’t overly useful except in intial setup, but still handy on the odd occassion