Cheap lights, Cheap setup…

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Mar 13, 2006
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I am looking to get some lights for doing some close up (macro pics), nothing extreme just close ups of small objects. Are there some cheap lights that I can purchase that are pure white or closer to white then standard light bulbs…

What about the light bulbs called "Pure White" has anyone tried those?

Does anyone have a link that describes how to setup a cheap light box to minimize shadows on objects?

Thanks.

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Clyde
Mar 13, 2006
systmster wrote:
I am looking to get some lights for doing some close up (macro pics), nothing extreme just close ups of small objects. Are there some cheap lights that I can purchase that are pure white or closer to white then standard light bulbs…

What about the light bulbs called "Pure White" has anyone tried those?
Does anyone have a link that describes how to setup a cheap light box to minimize shadows on objects?

Thanks.

First, you probably want some shadows. If you don’t have shadows, everything is the same degree of luminosity. That is very flat light and can be very boring. However…

You don’t need a light box to get rid of the shadows. You need a light tent. This is a small, white, translucent tent that goes over the product. Your lights are outside the tent. The tent defuses the light to make it come from all directions. Well, to a degree; that depends on how many and where you place the lights.

The best product shots I’ve seen used many complicated spot lights, few big (soft) lights, and many light blocking devices. This is an art that is beyond me though. It seems to be an art that is beyond all but the very few.

Your light color problem may be more of a computer and camera setup problem. If you work with standard colored lights (studio flash or hot lights), your camera probably has a White Balance setting that is darn close to those. If you want to be more accurate, shoot with a camera that has a Custom White Balance setting and set it.

If you are looking for very accurate color, you have to have a calibrated monitor and software for setting colors exactly. (I use Curvemeister inside of Photoshop CS2.)

If you are looking to do this really cheap, you are in for trouble. Incandescent bulbs are not very consistent in color or luminosity. They change over time and conditions. For example, the variable voltage that is coming into your house may change the color of the lights, if you don’t have plugged into a UPS.

Florescent bulbs are more consistent, but they may have or lack colors that you really need in your picture. Metal Halide lamps are very inconsistent in light color. OK, they aren’t cheap either. Flash is very consistent in color.

If I were going to shoot cheaply, I would use my Alien Bee flashes. Oh… OK. A light tent could be made pretty easily with cloth. Go to a fabric store and hold up different white cloth to the light to make sure you don’t have too "hot" a spot. Buy all your bulbs at the same time, place, and batch, if you can. Plug the fixtures into a UPS. 15 minutes after you turn them on, calibrate the Custom White Balance in your camera to the white floor inside your tent. Shoot.

Of course, I can’t see myself shooting without my Alien Bee flashes, my Spyder2 monitor calibrator, Curvemeister, and a few other things. These have all made getting correct color much easier.

Clyde
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spydrrrrr
Mar 13, 2006
Clyde wrote:

Of course, I can’t see myself shooting without my Alien Bee flashes, my Spyder2 monitor calibrator, Curvemeister, and a few other things. These have all made getting correct color much easier.

Clyde

Thanks for the reply!
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Mike Russell
Mar 13, 2006
"systmster" wrote in message
I am looking to get some lights for doing some close up (macro pics), nothing extreme just close ups of small objects. Are there some cheap lights that I can purchase that are pure white or closer to white then standard light bulbs…

What about the light bulbs called "Pure White" has anyone tried those?
Does anyone have a link that describes how to setup a cheap light box to minimize shadows on objects?

This is a bit of overkill, but here’s a wonderful and free book by Dean Collins on how to make a variety of lighting stands and other apparatus from PVC tubes. Most of the projects are larger than you’re talking about, but you may be able to adapt the "adjustable light box 16" project to a smaller size.

http://www.software-cinema.com/page/tinkertubes

Mike Russell
www.curvemeister.com
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Boskey
Mar 14, 2006
This is a bit of overkill, but here’s a wonderful and free book by Dean Collins on how to make a variety of lighting stands and other apparatus from PVC tubes. Most of the projects are larger than you’re talking about, but you may be able to adapt the "adjustable light box 16" project to a smaller size.

http://www.software-cinema.com/page/tinkertubes

Mike Russell
www.curvemeister.com
And another easy budget setup.
http://www.pbase.com/wlhuber/light_box_light_tent
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KatWoman
Mar 14, 2006
"Jimmy" wrote in message
This is a bit of overkill, but here’s a wonderful and free book by Dean Collins on how to make a variety of lighting stands and other apparatus from PVC tubes. Most of the projects are larger than you’re talking about, but you may be able to adapt the "adjustable light box 16" project to a smaller size.

http://www.software-cinema.com/page/tinkertubes

Mike Russell
www.curvemeister.com
And another easy budget setup.
http://www.pbase.com/wlhuber/light_box_light_tent

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=75996 12674&ssPageName=MERC_VI_ReBay_Pr4_PcY_BID_Stores_IT

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noone
Mar 14, 2006
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I am looking to get some lights for doing some close up (macro pics), nothing extreme just close ups of small objects. Are there some cheap lights that I can purchase that are pure white or closer to white then standard light bulbs…

What about the light bulbs called "Pure White" has anyone tried those?
Does anyone have a link that describes how to setup a cheap light box to minimize shadows on objects?

Thanks.

Might want to do a Google.Groups search in rec.photo.digital. I, and many others have given tons of advice as to tabletop lighting setups on the cheap. You can do a lot without a bunch of $. If you shoot digital, just set a custom WB.

Hunt
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C J Southern
Mar 14, 2006
I think you’d have a lot more luck posting in the likes of rec.photo.digital.slr-systems
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noone
Mar 15, 2006
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I think you’d have a lot more luck posting in the likes of rec.photo.digital.slr-systems

Actually, the OP did. However, it was as a multi-post and not as an X-post, so the answers only show in the specific NGs.

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iehsmith
Mar 15, 2006
I haven’t kept up with the entire thread here. Has anyone tried the OTT Lite True Color bulbs, and if so, are they any good? I have to be extremely cheap about things and save space too. My application would be comparing printed material, photos and Pantone swatches to screen. Also, I just need to start being more kind to my eyes.

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John McWilliams
Mar 15, 2006
iehsmith wrote:

I haven’t kept up with the entire thread here. Has anyone tried the OTT Lite True Color bulbs, and if so, are they any good? I have to be extremely cheap about things and save space too. My application would be comparing printed material, photos and Pantone swatches to screen. Also, I just need to start being more kind to my eyes.
I have several of Dr. Ott’s bulbs installed in the compact desktop thingie they made. Have always intended to use them as lighting for a small tent, but havent’ gotten around to it.

Is there a specific thing you are concerned about? Volume of light? Balance?


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noone
Mar 16, 2006
In article <C03D9E45.4AC52%>,
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I haven’t kept up with the entire thread here. Has anyone tried the OTT Lite True Color bulbs, and if so, are they any good? I have to be extremely cheap about things and save space too. My application would be comparing printed material, photos and Pantone swatches to screen. Also, I just need to start being more kind to my eyes.

inez

I have not tried these. For film work, I have relied on the 5000k "blue bulbs" when I replaced a normal incandescent bulb while shooting strobe + ambient window light. They yield good results, but do not last very long and are extremely fragile, not to mention rather expensive. However, there are times, that a normal incandescent just doesn’t look right in a lamp in a darker part of a room.

For product shooting, whether digital, or film, I usually use strobe, but have done tons of "hot-light" shoots, as well. My tungsten kit is all Lowell from 420W up to 1KW. As I am not familiar with teh OTT Lite True Color bulbs, are they standard-base replacement bulbs, or tubes for specialized instruments?

If I have to mix light sources, I will often replace flourescent bulbs with either 3200K, or 6000K tubes, or just sleeve the existing lamps.

Sorry to be so dumb on your question,

Hunt

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