PS and jpg’s?

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May 15, 2006
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I’m using my daughters system for a week or so, and I’m not too familiar with PS (7.0). What’s the problem with jpg’s? Seems that if I save a jpg in PS, it will not open with many other apps, and not even in Illustrator or InDesign.

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edjh
May 15, 2006
Jawa wrote:
I’m using my daughters system for a week or so, and I’m not too familiar with PS (7.0). What’s the problem with jpg’s? Seems that if I save a jpg in PS, it will not open with many other apps, and not even in Illustrator or InDesign.
Hmm. Always worked for me. Are the jpegs in CMYK perhaps? Though that should not affect Illustrator. You don’t open jpegs in InDesign, you place them.

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Bernie
May 15, 2006
On Mon, 15 May 2006 08:15:11 -0400, edjh wrote:

Jawa wrote:
I’m using my daughters system for a week or so, and I’m not too familiar with PS (7.0). What’s the problem with jpg’s? Seems that if I save a jpg in PS, it will not open with many other apps, and not even in Illustrator or InDesign.
Hmm. Always worked for me. Are the jpegs in CMYK perhaps? Though that should not affect Illustrator. You don’t open jpegs in InDesign, you place them.

Update to 7.0.1 by the way.

All RGB. After saving jpgs in PS, they will ‘sometimes’ open in Illustrator, but can’t be placed in InDesign without first opening and saving in something like ACDC, which surely does not improve the quality. I’m aware of some discussion about this a couple of years ago, but I took little interest, since I did not use PS.

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Tacit
May 16, 2006
In article , Jawa <> wrote:

I’m using my daughters system for a week or so, and I’m not too familiar with PS (7.0). What’s the problem with jpg’s? Seems that if I save a jpg in PS, it will not open with many other apps, and not even in Illustrator or InDesign.

For starters, if you are using a JPEG in Illustrator or Indesign, you are probably making a mistake.

Do not use JPEG unless you have a clear, specific reason why it has to be JPEG and absolutely nothing else will do. Do not use JPEG unless you are ALSO saving the image in some other format.

JPEG is lossy. It degrades the quality of your images. The degradation is cumulative (it gets worse if you open the JPEG and then save it again), and irreversible.

Instead of using JPEG, why not use TIFF?


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Bernie
May 16, 2006
On Tue, 16 May 2006 00:57:36 GMT, tacit wrote:

In article , Jawa <> wrote:

I’m using my daughters system for a week or so, and I’m not too familiar with PS (7.0). What’s the problem with jpg’s? Seems that if I save a jpg in PS, it will not open with many other apps, and not even in Illustrator or InDesign.

For starters, if you are using a JPEG in Illustrator or Indesign, you are probably making a mistake.

Do not use JPEG unless you have a clear, specific reason why it has to be JPEG and absolutely nothing else will do. Do not use JPEG unless you are ALSO saving the image in some other format.

JPEG is lossy. It degrades the quality of your images. The degradation is cumulative (it gets worse if you open the JPEG and then save it again), and irreversible.

Instead of using JPEG, why not use TIFF?

I am very well aware of this, but none of it has *anything* to do with my question.

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Tacit
May 18, 2006
In article , Jawa <> wrote:

JPEG is lossy. It degrades the quality of your images. The degradation is cumulative (it gets worse if you open the JPEG and then save it again), and irreversible.

Instead of using JPEG, why not use TIFF?

I am very well aware of this, but none of it has *anything* to do with my question.

Actually, it does.

Professional high-end applications like InDesign and Illustrator are designed to give you professional, high-end results. Professional print production is not done with JPEG files. It surprises me that a program like InDesign will even place a JPEG at all!

You are using professional tools. Time to start working like a professional. Why are you placing JPEGs instead of TIFFs? You will not encounter any difficulties, and you will achieve better results. Why do you wish to deliberately produce inferior quality work? What do you hope to gain by using JPEG rather than TIFF?


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Bernie
May 18, 2006
On Thu, 18 May 2006 00:18:46 GMT, tacit wrote:

In article , Jawa <> wrote:

JPEG is lossy. It degrades the quality of your images. The degradation is cumulative (it gets worse if you open the JPEG and then save it again), and irreversible.

Instead of using JPEG, why not use TIFF?

I am very well aware of this, but none of it has *anything* to do with my question.

Actually, it does.

No it does not..
Professional high-end applications like InDesign and Illustrator are designed to give you professional, high-end results. Professional print production is not done with JPEG files. It surprises me that a program like InDesign will even place a JPEG at all!

You are using professional tools. Time to start working like a professional. Why are you placing JPEGs instead of TIFFs? You will not encounter any difficulties, and you will achieve better results. Why do you wish to deliberately produce inferior quality work? What do you hope to gain by using JPEG rather than TIFF?

This is superfluous waffle. You have no idea what I am attempting to achieve, and an explanation in not required, nor is it necessary. You have completely avoided the question, obviously because you simply do not know. If you would like to demonstrate your knowledge, keep it on-topic.

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Tacit
May 18, 2006
In article , Jawa <> wrote:

This is superfluous waffle. You have no idea what I am attempting to achieve, and an explanation in not required, nor is it necessary. You have completely avoided the question, obviously because you simply do not know. If you would like to demonstrate your knowledge, keep it on-topic.

I have InDesign CS, InDesign CS2, and Illustrator CS and CS2. None of them has a problem placing a Photoshop JPEG. Your problem, I suspect, is specific to your system.

It is possible that you are doing something such as instructing Photoshop to include metadata of some kind with your JPEGs, and that is the cause of your problem.

I think it’s interesting that you refuse to explain why you insist on using JPEGs for your work.


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jaSPAMc
May 18, 2006
On Thu, 18 May 2006 12:09:58 GMT, tacit found these unused words floating about:

In article , Jawa <> wrote:

This is superfluous waffle. You have no idea what I am attempting to achieve, and an explanation in not required, nor is it necessary. You have completely avoided the question, obviously because you simply do not know. If you would like to demonstrate your knowledge, keep it on-topic.

I have InDesign CS, InDesign CS2, and Illustrator CS and CS2. None of them has a problem placing a Photoshop JPEG. Your problem, I suspect, is specific to your system.

It is possible that you are doing something such as instructing Photoshop to include metadata of some kind with your JPEGs, and that is the cause of your problem.

I think it’s interesting that you refuse to explain why you insist on using JPEGs for your work.

Perhaps because it should be obvious to any webbie or perhaps it’s NOYB?
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xot
May 18, 2006
Perhaps he’s working on something for a client who simply doesn’t have any other file format? More likely, maybe the photos were taken with a digital camera that can’t output any other file format? Nothing is gained by switching to another file format once the JPEG damage has been done.

Sheesh, for all this talk of professionalism, you’d think people would have thought of these.
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Tacit
May 18, 2006
In article ,
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Perhaps he’s working on something for a client who simply doesn’t have any other file format? More likely, maybe the photos were taken with a digital camera that can’t output any other file format? Nothing is gained by switching to another file format once the JPEG damage has been done.

Well, basic troubleshooting suggests that if one format does not work, try another.

If there is no reason that the images HAVE to be placed as JPEG, then convert them to TIFF rather than try to solve the JPEG problem. Converting a JPEG to TIFF will not undo the JPEG compression damage, but it will solve the problem.

Or, if there is a specific reason why they must be placed as JPEG and not TIFF, then the person looking for help should say so. Often people believe they need to place a JPEG in a page layout program when in fact they do not. For example, I have had clients mistakenly believe that if they want to create a PDF for the Web, they should place JPEG files in InDesign, not knowing that when a PDF is saved form InDesign, you can opt to downsample the images, convert them to JPEG, or both.

Either there is a reason the original poster is choosing JPEG, or there isn’t. If there isn’t, the original poster can solve the problem by using TIFF instead. If there is, and the original poster can explain that reason, perhaps we can offer workarounds or other ways to solve the problem.

After all, if someone comes onto a newsgroup looking for free help in solving a problem, it’s not asking too much to suggest that he define the nature and parameters of the problem…


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noone
May 20, 2006
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Well, basic troubleshooting suggests that if one format does not work, try another.

If there is no reason that the images HAVE to be placed as JPEG, then convert them to TIFF rather than try to solve the JPEG problem. Converting a JPEG to TIFF will not undo the JPEG compression damage, but it will solve the problem.

Or, if there is a specific reason why they must be placed as JPEG and not TIFF, then the person looking for help should say so. Often people believe they need to place a JPEG in a page layout program when in fact they do not. For example, I have had clients mistakenly believe that if they want to create a PDF for the Web, they should place JPEG files in InDesign, not knowing that when a PDF is saved form InDesign, you can opt to downsample the images, convert them to JPEG, or both.
Either there is a reason the original poster is choosing JPEG, or there isn’t. If there isn’t, the original poster can solve the problem by using TIFF instead. If there is, and the original poster can explain that reason, perhaps we can offer workarounds or other ways to solve the problem.

After all, if someone comes onto a newsgroup looking for free help in solving a problem, it’s not asking too much to suggest that he define the nature and parameters of the problem…


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Well stated! Too bad that there isn’t a FAQ with a few guidelines for posting to the PS groups:
1.) Give PS version # and OS
2.) Trash Prefs
3.) If applicable, list machine’s specs.
4.) Trash Prefs
5.) If you have a mandate to do something one way, or another, state that mandate, and explain.
6.) Trash Prefs

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KatWoman
May 20, 2006
"tacit" wrote in message
In article ,
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Perhaps he’s working on something for a client who simply doesn’t have any other file format? More likely, maybe the photos were taken with a digital camera that can’t output any other file format? Nothing is gained by switching to another file format once the JPEG damage has been done.

Well, basic troubleshooting suggests that if one format does not work, try another.

If there is no reason that the images HAVE to be placed as JPEG, then convert them to TIFF rather than try to solve the JPEG problem. Converting a JPEG to TIFF will not undo the JPEG compression damage, but it will solve the problem.

Or, if there is a specific reason why they must be placed as JPEG and not TIFF, then the person looking for help should say so. Often people believe they need to place a JPEG in a page layout program when in fact they do not. For example, I have had clients mistakenly believe that if they want to create a PDF for the Web, they should place JPEG files in InDesign, not knowing that when a PDF is saved form InDesign, you can opt to downsample the images, convert them to JPEG, or both.
Either there is a reason the original poster is choosing JPEG, or there isn’t. If there isn’t, the original poster can solve the problem by using TIFF instead. If there is, and the original poster can explain that reason, perhaps we can offer workarounds or other ways to solve the problem.

After all, if someone comes onto a newsgroup looking for free help in solving a problem, it’s not asking too much to suggest that he define the nature and parameters of the problem…
tacit
it is nice of you too suggest correction of his problem at all, but to then be told off for doing so, well I call that chutzpah.
what a jerk, let him suffer, he doesn’t deserve your help. Those who choose to hold on to their ignorance are free to keep doing so….
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Dave
May 20, 2006
"KatWoman"
tacit
it is nice of you too suggest correction of his problem at all, but to then be told off for doing so, well I call that chutzpah.
what a jerk, let him suffer, he doesn’t deserve your help. Those who choose to hold on to their ignorance are free to keep doing so….

chutzpah is used indignantly, to describe someone who has outstepped the boundaries of accepted polite behaviour for selfish reasons

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Bernie
May 21, 2006
On Sat, 20 May 2006 14:56:01 -0400, "KatWoman" wrote:

it is nice of you too suggest correction of his problem at all, but to then be told off for doing so, well I call that chutzpah.
what a jerk, let him suffer, he doesn’t deserve your help. Those who choose to hold on to their ignorance are free to keep doing so….
You are almost as stupid as he is. Read my op and tell me if his ‘suggestion’ was of ANY help whatever. Usenet is just full of wanker lurkers who like to show off their complete lack of knowledge.

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noone
May 21, 2006
In article , <Unknown> says…
I’m using my daughters system for a week or so, and I’m not too familiar with PS (7.0). What’s the problem with jpg’s? Seems that if I save a jpg in PS, it will not open with many other apps, and not even in Illustrator or InDesign.

In the Save_As dialog box for the JPGs that you are saving, what are the settings? One of the first possible problems, that comes to my mind is the Progressive JPG. For a period of time (don’t know if it’s still so) MACs had a difficult time with Progressive JPGs. However, using the Place command in either Illustrator or InDesign should allow the system (regardless of platform) to work with the image.

BTW what platform are you working on? Is it the same platform that you are attempting to Open these file on? Have you tried Place, instead of Open using the other programs? Have you Save[ed]_As PSD and attempted to Place those files in AI or ID? Lastly, do you have any other viewing programs for JPG files on the computer? Do THEY Open these files? Do they throw and error or warning messages? PS is notorious for being finicky on JPGs, though I’ve never seen a time that it could not Open its own JPG.

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