Help please!! White Balance

"BoilerBill" wrote in message
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Somehow I managed to upset the auto white balance and now have the last day and a half’s stuff with a strong blue tint.

….
Hi Keith,

It can be done with curves. This web page has a set of curves that may do the trick as-is, or you can use them as a starting point. http://www.curvemeister.com/tutorials/what_ails_you/index.ht m

Another approach to getting a set of curves to use would be to take two pictures with your camera, one with WB set to daylight, and the other to indoors. Then use a technique called "curve extraction" to find a curve that converts the indoor image to the outdoor one. Curve extraction is discussed here. It’s for Curvemeister but you can probably adapt the technique to Photoshop’s curves, or use the demo version and write down the curve values.:

The curve extraction article is:
http://www.curvemeister.com/tutorials/CurveExtraction/index. html

The demo:
http://www.curvemeister.com/downloads/cmdemo/index.html
—

Mike Russell
www.curvemeister.com/forum/

"BoilerBill" wrote in message

Been away from home for a while with a new Camera (Olympus E-500)
The new big memory card did not come in time so I was having to conserve what I had, ie use a jpg save.

Somehow I managed to upset the auto white balance and now have the last day and a half’s stuff with a strong blue tint.

Messed about with the levels, curves and balances as I know them to no avail, just get more crap out than went in (bit like a new born baby perhaps?)

Can anyone come to the rescue again with another bit of magic for me??
TIA and regards

Keith J Chesworth

www.unseenlondon.co.uk
www.blackpooltram.co.uk
www.amerseyferry.co.uk

did you try the little eyedropper on an area supposed to be pure white?? then do a second an a pure black area.
that will usually get you close
and don’t forget you can use adjust each color separately (use drop down box)

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BoilerBill wrote:

Somehow I managed to upset the auto white balance and now have the last day and a half’s stuff with a strong blue tint.

Messed about with the levels, curves and balances as I know them to no avail, just get more crap out than went in (bit like a new born baby perhaps?)

Levels won’t help you; Curves is what you need.

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"tacit" wrote in message

In article ,
BoilerBill wrote:

Somehow I managed to upset the auto white balance and now have the last day and a half’s stuff with a strong blue tint.

Messed about with the levels, curves and balances as I know them to no avail, just get more crap out than went in (bit like a new born baby perhaps?)

Levels won’t help you; Curves is what you need.

—
Art, photography, shareware, polyamory, literature, kink: all at http://www.xeromag.com/franklin.html
Nanohazard, Geek shirts, and more: http://www.villaintees.com

Convert to LAB mode, then use curves to correct the color balance.

Next time, burn your work to a CD before you start editing. CDs are cheap.

I recently bought the same camera.
They put the WB button right where your thumb should go to grip the camera, big design flaw in my book.
I bought it in hopes of replacing my trusty E-10 with it, and so far, have been quite disapointed in it. I get more blur than you can imagine, even when it’s in full auto mode. The quality of image is questionable. I’m no pro, but I’ve taken a few photos, and this camera is not what I would call worth the money. Unless I am doing something SERIOUSLY wrong – which is altogether possible.It pales in comparison to my E-10 (when it was new) with a few exceptions . Speed is a biggie.

Kate

"BoilerBill" wrote in message

Been away from home for a while with a new Camera (Olympus E-500)
The new big memory card did not come in time so I was having to conserve what I had, ie use a jpg save.

Somehow I managed to upset the auto white balance and now have the last day and a half’s stuff with a strong blue tint.

Messed about with the levels, curves and balances as I know them to no avail, just get more crap out than went in (bit like a new born baby perhaps?)

Can anyone come to the rescue again with another bit of magic for me??
TIA and regards

Keith J Chesworth

www.unseenlondon.co.uk
www.blackpooltram.co.uk
www.amerseyferry.co.uk

On Tue, 31 Oct 2006 09:05:59 -0500, tacit wrote:

In article ,
BoilerBill wrote:

Somehow I managed to upset the auto white balance and now have the last day and a half’s stuff with a strong blue tint.

Messed about with the levels, curves and balances as I know them to no avail, just get more crap out than went in (bit like a new born baby perhaps?)

Levels won’t help you; Curves is what you need.

Agreed. Play around with adjusting the curve for each color and remember that you can reduce blue OR increase yellow, or both, to correct an overly blue image. You may also want to play with saturation – sometimes desaturating the undesired color (in this case the blue tint) a bit or increasing the saturation on the complementary color (in this case yellow) works.

I use adjustment layer(s) for this, then when I get it right I can just drag the layer(s) to other images that need the same adjustment. Or run an action that creates the same adjustment layer(s) on the other images.

jc

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"The nice thing about a mare is you get to ride a lot of different horses without having to own that many." ~ Eileen Morgan of The Mare’s Nest, PA

All_Thumbs wrote:

Somehow I managed to upset the auto white balance and now have the last day and a half’s stuff with a strong blue tint.

Messed about with the levels, curves and balances as I know them to no avail, just get more crap out than went in (bit like a new born baby perhaps?)

Levels won’t help you; Curves is what you need.

Convert to LAB mode, then use curves to correct the color balance.

Ever since Dan Margulis wrote his book, people suggest to use Lab color for almost anything except making coffee. If somebody never read this book, it would be ill advised to go to Lab colors and use curves. He would have no idea how to use them. Curves behave quite differently in Lab color!

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Johan W. Elzenga johan<<at>>johanfoto.nl Editor / Photographer http://www.johanfoto.nl

BoilerBill wrote:

Been away from home for a while with a new Camera (Olympus E-500)
The new big memory card did not come in time so I was having to conserve what I had, ie use a jpg save.

Somehow I managed to upset the auto white balance and now have the last day and a half’s stuff with a strong blue tint.

Messed about with the levels, curves and balances as I know them to no avail, just get more crap out than went in (bit like a new born baby perhaps?)

Can anyone come to the rescue again with another bit of magic for me??

On my site there is a tutorial with a totally different approach. That should work particularly well in this situation.

—
Johan W. Elzenga johan<<at>>johanfoto.nl Editor / Photographer http://www.johanfoto.nl

"Johan W. Elzenga" wrote in message

All_Thumbs wrote:

Somehow I managed to upset the auto white balance and now have the last day and a half’s stuff with a strong blue tint.

Messed about with the levels, curves and balances as I know them to no avail, just get more crap out than went in (bit like a new born baby perhaps?)

Levels won’t help you; Curves is what you need.

Convert to LAB mode, then use curves to correct the color balance.

Ever since Dan Margulis wrote his book, people suggest to use Lab color for almost anything except making coffee. If somebody never read this book, it would be ill advised to go to Lab colors and use curves. He would have no idea how to use them. Curves behave quite differently in Lab color!

—
Johan W. Elzenga johan<<at>>johanfoto.nl Editor / Photographer http://www.johanfoto.nl

Have not read the book, yet.

"All_Thumbs" wrote in message

"Johan W. Elzenga" wrote in message

All_Thumbs wrote:

Somehow I managed to upset the auto white balance and now have the last day and a half’s stuff with a strong blue tint.

Messed about with the levels, curves and balances as I know them to no
avail, just get more crap out than went in (bit like a new born baby perhaps?)

Levels won’t help you; Curves is what you need.

Convert to LAB mode, then use curves to correct the color balance.

Ever since Dan Margulis wrote his book, people suggest to use Lab color for almost anything except making coffee. If somebody never read this book, it would be ill advised to go to Lab colors and use curves. He would have no idea how to use them. Curves behave quite differently in Lab color!

—
Johan W. Elzenga johan<<at>>johanfoto.nl Editor / Photographer http://www.johanfoto.nl

Have not read the book, yet.

FWIW never read it either
also never used lab color for anything
able to fix a variety of exposure errors with no problems usining levels curves
selective colors etc.
If that is Mike Russell he does know a lot about how to fix pictures but his methods are not for noobies.
but I think he has some quick fixes for download ready-made and a course in how to use his techniques

How can the OP burn his card to CD while he is still afield shooting?? and how would that change the WB??
that reply makes no sense at all.
OP said he mis-applied his white balance settings after switching from RAW in the camera not in PS edit.

..

"BoilerBill" wrote in message

Been away from home for a while with a new Camera (Olympus E-500)
The new big memory card did not come in time so I was having to conserve what I had, ie use a jpg save.

Somehow I managed to upset the auto white balance and now have the last day and a half’s stuff with a strong blue tint.

Messed about with the levels, curves and balances as I know them to no avail, just get more crap out than went in (bit like a new born baby perhaps?)

Can anyone come to the rescue again with another bit of magic for me??

can you post one up for us too see it??

On Sun, 29 Oct 2006 23:54:53 GMT, "Mike Russell" wrote:

"BoilerBill" wrote in message
…

Somehow I managed to upset the auto white balance and now have the last day and a half’s stuff with a strong blue tint.

…
Hi Keith,

It can be done with curves. This web page has a set of curves that may do the trick as-is, or you can use them as a starting point. http://www.curvemeister.com/tutorials/what_ails_you/index.ht m
Another approach to getting a set of curves to use would be to take two pictures with your camera, one with WB set to daylight, and the other to indoors. Then use a technique called "curve extraction" to find a curve that converts the indoor image to the outdoor one. Curve extraction is discussed here. It’s for Curvemeister but you can probably adapt the technique to Photoshop’s curves, or use the demo version and write down the curve values.:

The curve extraction article is:
http://www.curvemeister.com/tutorials/CurveExtraction/index. html
The demo:
http://www.curvemeister.com/downloads/cmdemo/index.html

Thanks for the help – managed to salvage some of them – Ta

K

www.unseenlondon.co.uk
www.blackpooltram.co.uk
www.amerseyferry.co.uk

On Sun, 29 Oct 2006 20:01:36 -0500, "KatWoman" wrote:

"BoilerBill" wrote in message

Been away from home for a while with a new Camera (Olympus E-500)
The new big memory card did not come in time so I was having to conserve what I had, ie use a jpg save.

Somehow I managed to upset the auto white balance and now have the last day and a half’s stuff with a strong blue tint.

Messed about with the levels, curves and balances as I know them to no avail, just get more crap out than went in (bit like a new born baby perhaps?)

Can anyone come to the rescue again with another bit of magic for me??
TIA and regards

Keith J Chesworth

www.unseenlondon.co.uk
www.blackpooltram.co.uk
www.amerseyferry.co.uk

did you try the little eyedropper on an area supposed to be pure white?? then do a second an a pure black area.
that will usually get you close
and don’t forget you can use adjust each color separately (use drop down box)

Thanks for the help – managed to salvage some of them – Ta

K

www.unseenlondon.co.uk
www.blackpooltram.co.uk
www.amerseyferry.co.uk

On Tue, 31 Oct 2006 10:56:46 -0600, "Kate"
wrote:

I recently bought the same camera.
They put the WB button right where your thumb should go to grip the camera, big design flaw in my book.
I bought it in hopes of replacing my trusty E-10 with it, and so far, have been quite disapointed in it. I get more blur than you can imagine, even when it’s in full auto mode. The quality of image is questionable. I’m no pro, but I’ve taken a few photos, and this camera is not what I would call worth the money. Unless I am doing something SERIOUSLY wrong – which is altogether possible.It pales in comparison to my E-10 (when it was new) with a few exceptions . Speed is a biggie.

Kate

This is my first digital SLR (and likely to be my last now that I am officially retired).

So I am on a big learning/relearning curve atm.

However I have found that sometimes the sharpness is not as good as I would expect with my old C450 zoom. However as time and exposures have increased I have found that often I have to play picking focal points to get an advantage, then the effect is dramatic.

My big bug is that the two lens’s supplied with the camera are good for intermediate sort of distances or tight portrait, the other one for checking on lunar Landers…

As I do a lot of panoramas and other image stitching this means that now I have to take twice as many pictures for the same spread.

Checked for the price of a third lens to give me the better spread and was quoted twice the price of the whole original set.

K

www.unseenlondon.co.uk
www.blackpooltram.co.uk
www.amerseyferry.co.uk

On Tue, 31 Oct 2006 18:08:34 +0100, (Johan W.
Elzenga) wrote:

BoilerBill wrote:

Been away from home for a while with a new Camera (Olympus E-500)
The new big memory card did not come in time so I was having to conserve what I had, ie use a jpg save.

Somehow I managed to upset the auto white balance and now have the last day and a half’s stuff with a strong blue tint.

Messed about with the levels, curves and balances as I know them to no avail, just get more crap out than went in (bit like a new born baby perhaps?)

Can anyone come to the rescue again with another bit of magic for me??

On my site there is a tutorial with a totally different approach. That should work particularly well in this situation.

Thanks for that I will have a go at working through it.

K

www.unseenlondon.co.uk
www.blackpooltram.co.uk
www.amerseyferry.co.uk

On Wed, 1 Nov 2006 14:22:59 -0500, "KatWoman"
wrote:

"BoilerBill" wrote in message

Been away from home for a while with a new Camera (Olympus E-500)
The new big memory card did not come in time so I was having to conserve what I had, ie use a jpg save.

Somehow I managed to upset the auto white balance and now have the last day and a half’s stuff with a strong blue tint.

Messed about with the levels, curves and balances as I know them to no avail, just get more crap out than went in (bit like a new born baby perhaps?)

Can anyone come to the rescue again with another bit of magic for me??

can you post one up for us too see it??

I wish I could now, however those that I have kept are in peculiar colours as I have worked through trying to fix. The others I trashed.

I could happily post from the former, but now that damage is not just white balance – :-((((

K

www.unseenlondon.co.uk
www.blackpooltram.co.uk
www.amerseyferry.co.uk

On Thu, 02 Nov 2006 19:05:10 +0000, BoilerBill found these unused words floating about:

My big bug is that the two lens’s supplied with the camera are good for intermediate sort of distances or tight portrait, the other one for checking on lunar Landers…

As I do a lot of panoramas and other image stitching this means that now I have to take twice as many pictures for the same spread.
Checked for the price of a third lens to give me the better spread and was quoted twice the price of the whole original set.

K

You might check with camera stores and/or eBay for a good -=used=- or alternate manufacturer’s lens of the range you want.

On Thu, 02 Nov 2006 19:11:47 +0000, BoilerBill found these unused words floating about:

can you post one up for us too see it??

I wish I could now, however those that I have kept are in peculiar colours as I have worked through trying to fix. The others I trashed.
I could happily post from the former, but now that damage is not just white balance – :-((((

CDR’s are SOooooo very cheap – I’d burn my originals – even if just as a record of my thoughts, ability, etc. at that point in time.

FWIW, I -=NEVER, EVER=- alter and save over an original – that’s the benefit of digital – unaltered copies are 100% the same and you could always recopy and ‘mess’ with the ‘original’ camera image.

"Sir F. A. Rien" wrote in message
….

CDR’s are SOooooo very cheap – I’d burn my originals – even if just as a record of my thoughts, ability, etc. at that point in time.
FWIW, I -=NEVER, EVER=- alter and save over an original – that’s the benefit
of digital – unaltered copies are 100% the same and you could always recopy
and ‘mess’ with the ‘original’ camera image.

Absolutely. I would also add that it is relatively easy to recover the original images from your camera card. OTOH, it may be easier, and more interesting, to take new images 🙂
—

Mike Russell
www.curvemeister.com/forum/

On Thu, 02 Nov 2006 13:45:43 -0800, Sir F. A. Rien
wrote:

On Thu, 02 Nov 2006 19:05:10 +0000, BoilerBill found these unused words floating about:

My big bug is that the two lens’s supplied with the camera are good for intermediate sort of distances or tight portrait, the other one for checking on lunar Landers…

As I do a lot of panoramas and other image stitching this means that now I have to take twice as many pictures for the same spread.
Checked for the price of a third lens to give me the better spread and was quoted twice the price of the whole original set.

K

You might check with camera stores and/or eBay for a good -=used=- or alternate manufacturer’s lens of the range you want.

I have been checking round……….

ebay seems good for Chinese ring pieces, or something like that………….

Seems like there are few lenses, but maybe I need to check a bit further

Keith J Chesworth

www.unseenlondon.co.uk
www.blackpooltram.co.uk
www.amerseyferry.co.uk

On Thu, 02 Nov 2006 13:48:48 -0800, Sir F. A. Rien
wrote:

On Thu, 02 Nov 2006 19:11:47 +0000, BoilerBill found these unused words floating about:

can you post one up for us too see it??

I wish I could now, however those that I have kept are in peculiar colours as I have worked through trying to fix. The others I trashed.
I could happily post from the former, but now that damage is not just white balance – :-((((

CDR’s are SOooooo very cheap – I’d burn my originals – even if just as a record of my thoughts, ability, etc. at that point in time.
FWIW, I -=NEVER, EVER=- alter and save over an original – that’s the benefit of digital – unaltered copies are 100% the same and you could always recopy and ‘mess’ with the ‘original’ camera image.

I think that is very good advice. There is no real reason for me not to save everything, this machine has a TB of HDD and is one of 6 in my home network. I’m the only one on them unless the grandkids are here….

Just plain stupidity on my behalf and rememberance of when HDDs would never be bigger than 0.5GB, Burners were on offer at £400, disks £5 and holy water to try and make a disk complete its burn £2 per 100ml.

Not counted in that I have recently acquired a good laptop through ebay for storage and working when I’m away too.

Keith J Chesworth

www.unseenlondon.co.uk
www.blackpooltram.co.uk
www.amerseyferry.co.uk

On Thu, 02 Nov 2006 22:02:08 GMT, "Mike Russell" wrote:

"Sir F. A. Rien" wrote in message
…

CDR’s are SOooooo very cheap – I’d burn my originals – even if just as a record of my thoughts, ability, etc. at that point in time.
FWIW, I -=NEVER, EVER=- alter and save over an original – that’s the benefit
of digital – unaltered copies are 100% the same and you could always recopy
and ‘mess’ with the ‘original’ camera image.

Absolutely. I would also add that it is relatively easy to recover the original images from your camera card. OTOH, it may be easier, and more interesting, to take new images 🙂

When you have cut and pasted them out?

I know that they will still be there if it is a card I have not reused, just marked for overwrite and not shown, but since the days of the mexican command = undelete *.* got lost from the remnants of ms dos I have not seen anything about that I have twigged would undelete a card.

What program are you thinking of?

Keith J Chesworth

www.unseenlondon.co.uk
www.blackpooltram.co.uk
www.amerseyferry.co.uk

"BoilerBill" wrote in message

On Thu, 02 Nov 2006 22:02:08 GMT, "Mike Russell" wrote:

"Sir F. A. Rien" wrote in message
…

CDR’s are SOooooo very cheap – I’d burn my originals – even if just as a record of my thoughts, ability, etc. at that point in time.
FWIW, I -=NEVER, EVER=- alter and save over an original – that’s the benefit
of digital – unaltered copies are 100% the same and you could always recopy
and ‘mess’ with the ‘original’ camera image.

Absolutely. I would also add that it is relatively easy to recover the original images from your camera card. OTOH, it may be easier, and more interesting, to take new images 🙂

When you have cut and pasted them out?

I know that they will still be there if it is a card I have not reused, just marked for overwrite and not shown, but since the days of the mexican command = undelete *.* got lost from the remnants of ms dos I have not seen anything about that I have twigged would undelete a card.

What program are you thinking of?

Keith J Chesworth

my Lexar cards came with free software for recovery
but I have never had to use it
Maybe the compact flash card’s brand web page??

On Fri, 3 Nov 2006 16:13:20 -0500, "KatWoman"
wrote:

"BoilerBill" wrote in message

On Thu, 02 Nov 2006 22:02:08 GMT, "Mike Russell" wrote:

"Sir F. A. Rien" wrote in message
…

CDR’s are SOooooo very cheap – I’d burn my originals – even if just as a

snip

What program are you thinking of?

Keith J Chesworth

my Lexar cards came with free software for recovery
but I have never had to use it
Maybe the compact flash card’s brand web page??

I have only just received an 8GB CF for the camera, imported via ebay.

So that lot was on 256MB XD cards which were my stock for the 450Z

Hence jpeg and not raw

K

www.unseenlondon.co.uk
www.blackpooltram.co.uk
www.amerseyferry.co.uk

"BoilerBill" wrote in message

On Tue, 31 Oct 2006 10:56:46 -0600, "Kate"
wrote:

I recently bought the same camera.
They put the WB button right where your thumb should go to grip the camera,
big design flaw in my book.
I bought it in hopes of replacing my trusty E-10 with it, and so far, have been quite disapointed in it. I get more blur than you can imagine, even when it’s in full auto mode. The quality of image is questionable. I’m no pro, but I’ve taken a few photos, and this camera is not what I would call worth the money. Unless I am doing something SERIOUSLY wrong – which is altogether possible.It pales in comparison to my E-10 (when it was new) with
a few exceptions . Speed is a biggie.

Kate

This is my first digital SLR (and likely to be my last now that I am officially retired).

So I am on a big learning/relearning curve atm.

However I have found that sometimes the sharpness is not as good as I would expect with my old C450 zoom. However as time and exposures have increased I have found that often I have to play picking focal points to get an advantage, then the effect is dramatic.

My big bug is that the two lens’s supplied with the camera are good for intermediate sort of distances or tight portrait, the other one for checking on lunar Landers…

As I do a lot of panoramas and other image stitching this means that now I have to take twice as many pictures for the same spread.
Checked for the price of a third lens to give me the better spread and was quoted twice the price of the whole original set.

K

www.unseenlondon.co.uk
www.blackpooltram.co.uk
www.amerseyferry.co.uk

he he he… loved the lunar lander dig.
The ONE thing that keeps me from taking it back, simply IS the price of the lenses. I figure that since they are completely compatible with the E1 that I will keep it until I can upgrade to the E1 and I will be in good shape. like you, I spend a LOT of time picking just the right focal point to get things just so and I have yet to get a good macro out of it.

Kate

"BoilerBill" wrote in message

On Thu, 02 Nov 2006 22:02:08 GMT, "Mike Russell" wrote:

"Sir F. A. Rien" wrote in message
…

CDR’s are SOooooo very cheap – I’d burn my originals – even if just as a record of my thoughts, ability, etc. at that point in time.
FWIW, I -=NEVER, EVER=- alter and save over an original – that’s the benefit
of digital – unaltered copies are 100% the same and you could always recopy
and ‘mess’ with the ‘original’ camera image.

Absolutely. I would also add that it is relatively easy to recover the original images from your camera card. OTOH, it may be easier, and more interesting, to take new images 🙂

When you have cut and pasted them out?

I know that they will still be there if it is a card I have not reused, just marked for overwrite and not shown, but since the days of the mexican command = undelete *.* got lost from the remnants of ms dos I have not seen anything about that I have twigged would undelete a card.

What program are you thinking of?

Keith J Chesworth

www.unseenlondon.co.uk
www.blackpooltram.co.uk
www.amerseyferry.co.uk

Bill, it is away from the original post, but you might want to build a file system for your images on your computin machine.
I always move all of my images from my cards into files, then when I work with an image the first thing I do is save it as a new name, often times it will be simple like P1000111-1.jpg meaning, I just add a dash and the number one or two or three to the file name, making it easy to find the original too.

Gawd, if it wasn’t for photos, I’s have nearly blank hard drives on this old wreck…
Hmm… a new computer for Christmas might be nice….
Or that E1 body…

or a lift lit….

*walking away mumbling to herself*

"KatWoman" wrote

my Lexar cards came with free software for recovery
but I have never had to use it
Maybe the compact flash card’s brand web page??

Every now and then, I get an unexpected file, called "found files" and the images have been renamed to found001.jpg and so on.
Once had half a dozen show up that were nearly a year old from my daughter’s wedding.

Go figure. I have no idea where they go (maybe the Bermudas) before they are found.

Kate

"BoilerBill" wrote
page??

I have only just received an 8GB CF for the camera, imported via ebay.

Green… I am green with envy.

On Sun, 5 Nov 2006 13:59:56 -0600, "Kate"
wrote:

"BoilerBill" wrote in message

On Thu, 02 Nov 2006 22:02:08 GMT, "Mike Russell" wrote:

"Sir F. A. Rien" wrote in message
…

snip

Bill, it is away from the original post, but you might want to build a file system for your images on your computin machine.
I always move all of my images from my cards into files, then when I work with an image the first thing I do is save it as a new name, often times it will be simple like P1000111-1.jpg meaning, I just add a dash and the number one or two or three to the file name, making it easy to find the original too.

Gawd, if it wasn’t for photos, I’s have nearly blank hard drives on this old wreck…
Hmm… a new computer for Christmas might be nice….
Or that E1 body…

or a lift lit….

*walking away mumbling to herself*

That’s exactly what I do. I have a portable to drop them onto when I am away from home and direct onto the main workstation at home. That is a TB+ AMD3.2 64bit thing. Bit of a monster now with all the drives.

I then have a more or less redundant Novell 6 server in the corner and 3 more workstations in the office. Downstairs there is yet another one.

I ended up with them to keep various Grandkids off the main machine and as test houses for bits from machines I am fixing for friends, family and such like.
Also because, like what do you do with good quality machines when you build another one…

These are on a wired network

So what happens is that I have an ever increasing mass of picture folders on copied onto the ‘D’ and ‘L’ drives, which occasionally get copied onto other machines when they are up and idle.

OK I’ll put my hands up, I started as a computer nerd years ago for several very good reasons, after finding out that they had moved on from the punch cards and tapes that I was very basically taught on for CNC machines at collage.

I was a typical family snapper with a little Halina Paulette and my Father’s Zenit E, after he died.

Then all things changed on a holiday in Tenerife. Beach wear tends to be a bit different there than stateside…

I saw my first ever ‘D’ Camera. A bit of junk from Cassio. But what it had was a little screen at the back and the lens was on a swivel head at the side. Pure magic or so it seemed at the time. I could wander about on the beach filling up the camera and everyone would think that I was playing a computer game.
Almost fooled the missus as well!!

From there it was a small step to doing may first web site using pictures taken on top of America House looking down on the Tower of London, thinking that the Tourists down there would give their eye teeth to be where I was. unseenlondon was born.

Keith J Chesworth

www.unseenlondon.co.uk
www.blackpooltram.co.uk
www.amerseyferry.co.uk

On Sun, 5 Nov 2006 14:01:53 -0600, "Kate"
wrote:

"KatWoman" wrote

my Lexar cards came with free software for recovery
but I have never had to use it
Maybe the compact flash card’s brand web page??

Every now and then, I get an unexpected file, called "found files" and the images have been renamed to found001.jpg and so on.
Once had half a dozen show up that were nearly a year old from my daughter’s wedding.

Go figure. I have no idea where they go (maybe the Bermudas) before they are found.

Kate

Well, you can easily check if they have been there, they would have been disected on the diagonal..

K

www.unseenlondon.co.uk
www.blackpooltram.co.uk
www.amerseyferry.co.uk

On Sun, 5 Nov 2006 14:02:42 -0600, "Kate"
wrote:

"BoilerBill" wrote
page??

I have only just received an 8GB CF for the camera, imported via ebay.

Green… I am green with envy.

Quite, looking at the prices for the big name ones.
Even for this ‘ADATA’ one

Could not believe it when my ‘silly’ little bid slipped through. But hey, that’s how I get things, patience, looking for misplaced ads and severely limited late bids.

K

www.unseenlondon.co.uk
www.blackpooltram.co.uk
www.amerseyferry.co.uk

"BoilerBill" wrote

I have only just received an 8GB CF for the camera, imported via ebay.

Green… I am green with envy.

Quite, looking at the prices for the big name ones.
Even for this ‘ADATA’ one

Could not believe it when my ‘silly’ little bid slipped through. But hey, that’s how I get things, patience, looking for misplaced ads and severely limited late bids.

K

Of course, this makes you my role model for the week…
*grin*

Kate

"BoilerBill" wrote

Bill, it is away from the original post, but you might want to build a file
system for your images on your computin machine.
I always move all of my images from my cards into files, then when I work with an image the first thing I do is save it as a new name, often times it
will be simple like P1000111-1.jpg meaning, I just add a dash and the number
one or two or three to the file name, making it easy to find the original too.

Gawd, if it wasn’t for photos, I’s have nearly blank hard drives on this old
wreck…
Hmm… a new computer for Christmas might be nice….
Or that E1 body…

or a lift lit….

*walking away mumbling to herself*

That’s exactly what I do. I have a portable to drop them onto when I am away from home and direct onto the main workstation at home. That is a TB+ AMD3.2 64bit thing. Bit of a monster now with all the drives.
I then have a more or less redundant Novell 6 server in the corner and 3 more workstations in the office. Downstairs there is yet another one.

It’s obvious to me that you clearly know NOTHING about computin machines, which is why I felt compelled to give you instruction.
Now, if you will excuse me, I believe there is a huge piece of humble pie and a cup of coffee waiting for me in the kitchen.

Gawd…. sorry, I had on idea, seriously..
I was trying to be helpful in my own bumbling way. I hope that you don’t think I was treating you liek an idiot, it wasn’t my intention.

Love the mental image of you wandering the beach with your little camera, all James Bondish snapping – ummm – seashells – yea, I bet THAT was it!

Kate

I ended up with them to keep various Grandkids off the main machine and as test houses for bits from machines I am fixing for friends, family and such like.
Also because, like what do you do with good quality machines when you build another one…

These are on a wired network

So what happens is that I have an ever increasing mass of picture folders on copied onto the ‘D’ and ‘L’ drives, which occasionally get copied onto other machines when they are up and idle.

OK I’ll put my hands up, I started as a computer nerd years ago for several very good reasons, after finding out that they had moved on from the punch cards and tapes that I was very basically taught on for CNC machines at collage.

I was a typical family snapper with a little Halina Paulette and my Father’s Zenit E, after he died.

Then all things changed on a holiday in Tenerife. Beach wear tends to be a bit different there than stateside…

I saw my first ever ‘D’ Camera. A bit of junk from Cassio. But what it had was a little screen at the back and the lens was on a swivel head at the side. Pure magic or so it seemed at the time. I could wander about on the beach filling up the camera and everyone would think that I was playing a computer game.
Almost fooled the missus as well!!

From there it was a small step to doing may first web site using pictures taken on top of America House looking down on the Tower of London, thinking that the Tourists down there would give their eye teeth to be where I was. unseenlondon was born.

Keith J Chesworth

www.unseenlondon.co.uk
www.blackpooltram.co.uk
www.amerseyferry.co.uk

Green… I am green with envy.

Just add a little magenta to fix that right up.
—

Mike Russell
www.curvemeister.com/forum/

"Mike Russell" wrote in message

Green… I am green with envy.

Just add a little magenta to fix that right up.
—

Mike Russell
www.curvemeister.com/forum/

LOL.. cute Mike.. real cute!

On Mon, 6 Nov 2006 08:17:26 -0600, "Kate"
wrote:

"BoilerBill" wrote

I have only just received an 8GB CF for the camera, imported via ebay.

Green… I am green with envy.

Quite, looking at the prices for the big name ones.
Even for this ‘ADATA’ one

Could not believe it when my ‘silly’ little bid slipped through. But hey, that’s how I get things, patience, looking for misplaced ads and severely limited late bids.

K

Of course, this makes you my role model for the week…
*grin*

Kate

So long as it isn’t a physical model…..
I don’t have www.theoldfart.co.uk
or www.uglyoldbeasty.co.uk
up my sleave for nothing…

K

www.unseenlondon.co.uk
www.blackpooltram.co.uk
www.amerseyferry.co.uk

On Mon, 6 Nov 2006 08:23:25 -0600, "Kate"
wrote:

"BoilerBill" wrote

Bill, it is away from the original post, but you might want to build a file
system for your images on your computin machine.
I always move all of my images from my cards into files, then when I work with an image the first thing I do is save it as a new name, often times it
will be simple like P1000111-1.jpg meaning, I just add a dash and the number
one or two or three to the file name, making it easy to find the original too.

Gawd, if it wasn’t for photos, I’s have nearly blank hard drives on this old
wreck…
Hmm… a new computer for Christmas might be nice….
Or that E1 body…

or a lift lit….

*walking away mumbling to herself*

Not at all, load of fertilser, if you will pardon the expression.

Each to their own. I sit in this group learning off masters and others who have trod the ways I am still trying too.

The compter thing came about more by accident that design. I had to learn modern compting on my own as the company I was working for was allowing us to be left in in dark days of custom DOS computer reporting systems, then back heeled me on a promotion interview because I was not up in the new fangled Windows systems (Win3.11)

I bought an ex-display screwed up 486DX2 which turned out was not loaded correctly with the operating system. I had a noisy machine and a blank screen with this silly little C;\ thing flashing at one side. Do I junk the £850 or let the engineer kick in and start to learn how to fix these damn things.

Eventually I found someone who could sort it and teach me, he became a good friend and I sort of fell into a computer type of circle to compliment my Masonic one.

Systems came fairly naturally to me since I started off my Engineering on Ships, especially steam boats, where damn near everything is systems, but itis handy if you can keep a hole down the middle of the cables 🙂

Really until now, although I do the web sites, I still have not had time to really learn how to ‘do’ pictures. Just take enough and eventually the monkey will produce a good one, with a bit of lightening, darkening and sharpening along the way.

So please put the pie away and continue to help lead the bat eyed one along the fragrant path between the red roses and blue lavender.

Keith J Chesworth

www.unseenlondon.co.uk
www.blackpooltram.co.uk
www.amerseyferry.co.uk

Uhhhh.. but there’s nuttin on em!

"BoilerBill" wrote in message

On Mon, 6 Nov 2006 08:17:26 -0600, "Kate"
wrote:

"BoilerBill" wrote

I have only just received an 8GB CF for the camera, imported via ebay.

Green… I am green with envy.

Quite, looking at the prices for the big name ones.
Even for this ‘ADATA’ one

Could not believe it when my ‘silly’ little bid slipped through. But hey, that’s how I get things, patience, looking for misplaced ads and severely limited late bids.

K

Of course, this makes you my role model for the week…
*grin*

Kate

So long as it isn’t a physical model…..
I don’t have www.theoldfart.co.uk
or www.uglyoldbeasty.co.uk
up my sleave for nothing…

K

www.unseenlondon.co.uk
www.blackpooltram.co.uk
www.amerseyferry.co.uk

"BoilerBill" wrote

Not at all, load of fertilser, if you will pardon the expression.
Each to their own. I sit in this group learning off masters and others who have trod the ways I am still trying too.

The compter thing came about more by accident that design. I had to learn modern compting on my own as the company I was working for was allowing us to be left in in dark days of custom DOS computer reporting systems, then back heeled me on a promotion interview because I was not up in the new fangled Windows systems (Win3.11)
I bought an ex-display screwed up 486DX2 which turned out was not loaded correctly with the operating system. I had a noisy machine and a blank screen with this silly little C;\ thing flashing at one side. Do I junk the

On Mon, 6 Nov 2006 19:40:18 -0600, "Kate"
wrote:

Uhhhh.. but there’s nuttin on em!

snip

For the sake of decency!!

K

www.unseenlondon.co.uk
www.blackpooltram.co.uk
www.amerseyferry.co.uk

On Mon, 6 Nov 2006 19:40:18 -0600, "Kate"
wrote:

Uhhhh.. but there’s nuttin on em!

snip

Well….

Try www.theoldfart.co.uk now, I’ve reinstated it, that’ll put you off your Cornflakes!!

K

www.unseenlondon.co.uk
www.blackpooltram.co.uk
www.amerseyferry.co.uk

OMFG!

Now just HOW do you expect me to get a doggone thing done all day after THAT?

LMAO!
That’s just not right!

Kate

"BoilerBill" wrote in message

On Mon, 6 Nov 2006 19:40:18 -0600, "Kate"
wrote:

Uhhhh.. but there’s nuttin on em!

snip

Well….

Try www.theoldfart.co.uk now, I’ve reinstated it, that’ll put you off your Cornflakes!!

K

www.unseenlondon.co.uk
www.blackpooltram.co.uk
www.amerseyferry.co.uk

On Tue, 7 Nov 2006 09:27:16 -0600, "Kate"
wrote:

OMFG!

Now just HOW do you expect me to get a doggone thing done all day after THAT?

LMAO!
That’s just not right!

Kate

LMFAO

K

www.unseenlondon.co.uk
www.blackpooltram.co.uk
www.amerseyferry.co.uk

"BoilerBill" wrote in message
….

Well….

Try www.theoldfart.co.uk now, I’ve reinstated it, that’ll put you off your Cornflakes!!

Yep – I’m right off me feed, now, mate. A memorable start to the week. Could lose some weight anyway…
—

Mike Russell
www.curvemeister.com/forum/

On Tue, 07 Nov 2006 17:35:56 GMT, "Mike Russell" wrote:

"BoilerBill" wrote in message
…

Well….

Try www.theoldfart.co.uk now, I’ve reinstated it, that’ll put you off your Cornflakes!!

Yep – I’m right off me feed, now, mate. A memorable start to the week. Could lose some weight anyway…

Goes with the territory.. Computer, chocolate and coffee. The 3C diet

K

www.unseenlondon.co.uk
www.blackpooltram.co.uk
www.amerseyferry.co.uk