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A while ago, I purchased Photoshop Elements 4. Then found it wouldn’t run under Windows 2000 on my computer. Now I have a new computer with Windows XP and have been able to install and run Photoshop Elements 4.

To help me learn how to use Photoshop Elemenrts 4, I bought the book "Adobe Photoshop Elements Collection" by Scott Kelby (published by New Riders) on sale at Costco. Scott probably knows a lot about using Photoshop, but he’s not a particularly good writer. I bought the book expecting it to help me how to use Photoshop Elements, not to be entertained. As I progress through the book I find myself increasingly irritated by the cutesy style, unnecessary comments, inattention to significant detail, and grammatical errors. The book doesn’t seem to have been reviewed by competent editors. I’m surprised New Riders would publish such a book.

If Scott reads this, I’d like him to know that I don’t "shoot photos." I create photographs. Real photographers don’t shoot, they create. Real photographers care enought about their medium that they refer to what they create as "photographs."

I’d appreciate suggestions from anyone who can suggest a book I can purchase that will help me learn how to use Photoshop Elements 4 without attempting to entertain me.

Gordon

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Mike Russell
Dec 25, 2006
From: "Gordon Padwick"

A while ago, I purchased Photoshop Elements 4. Then found it wouldn’t run under Windows 2000 on my computer. Now I have a new computer with Windows XP
and have been able to install and run Photoshop Elements 4.

I run Elements 4 on Win2K, but never mind.

To help me learn how to use Photoshop Elemenrts 4, I bought the book "Adobe
Photoshop Elements Collection" by Scott Kelby (published by New Riders) on sale at Costco. Scott probably knows a lot about using Photoshop, but he’s not a particularly good writer. I bought the book expecting it to help me how to use Photoshop Elements, not to be entertained.

Entertainment and learning often go hand in hand.

As I progress through
the book I find myself increasingly irritated by the cutesy style, unnecessary comments, inattention to significant detail, and grammatical errors. The book doesn’t seem to have been reviewed by competent editors. I’m surprised New Riders would publish such a book.

I’m not saying you’re not entitled, but S.K. is a big guy – organizer of Photoshop World, president of NAPP, etc. May as well complain about Thomas Jefferson’s hand in the constitution.

If Scott reads this, I’d like him to know that I don’t "shoot photos." I create photographs. Real photographers don’t shoot, they create. Real photographers care enought about their medium that they refer to what they create as "photographs."

I think it’s more accurate to say that some real photographers call what they do creat\ing images, and others call it shooting them, or taking them.

I’d appreciate suggestions from anyone who can suggest a book I can purchase
that will help me learn how to use Photoshop Elements 4 without attempting to entertain me.

What level of ability are you,, and what sort of things do you want to do with Elements. For a good all round elements class, take something like Sara Froelich’s elements class at http://www.eclecticacademy.com/. Or cruise around the web for some tutorials – there are any number of good ones and they are free.

You may find yourself being entertained no matter where you go. This is the world we live in.

It’s Christmas. Happy Holidays to all..

Mike Russell
www.curvemeister.com/forum/
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Paul Burdett
Dec 25, 2006
Gordon,

I understand where you’re coming from….however, I actually don’t mind (and quite enjoy) the humour….it also appears on the free Photoshop TV tutorials that you can download and watch for free. Amid the humour, Scott and others, for example Deke Mclleland (another funny guy) have a knowledge of Photoshop that is second to none and I find the tutorials/books very good as well as entertaining. Russell Brown is another "funny" guru that comes to mind as well. His tutorials are (for me) very very good. As a high school teacher I can tell you that it is no longer good practice to "chalk and talk"…you have to "entertain" or you’ll lose them. I second Mike’s comment..this is the world we live in now..relax and enjoy it. If you do want lots of instruction minus the jokes, there are zillions of free tutorials on the web that will show you how to do this and that and that’s all. Good luck.
Paul

"Mike Russell" wrote in message
From: "Gordon Padwick"

A while ago, I purchased Photoshop Elements 4. Then found it wouldn’t run under Windows 2000 on my computer. Now I have a new computer with Windows XP
and have been able to install and run Photoshop Elements 4.

I run Elements 4 on Win2K, but never mind.

To help me learn how to use Photoshop Elemenrts 4, I bought the book "Adobe
Photoshop Elements Collection" by Scott Kelby (published by New Riders) on
sale at Costco. Scott probably knows a lot about using Photoshop, but he’s
not a particularly good writer. I bought the book expecting it to help me how to use Photoshop Elements, not to be entertained.

Entertainment and learning often go hand in hand.

As I progress through
the book I find myself increasingly irritated by the cutesy style, unnecessary comments, inattention to significant detail, and grammatical errors. The book doesn’t seem to have been reviewed by competent editors. I’m surprised New Riders would publish such a book.

I’m not saying you’re not entitled, but S.K. is a big guy – organizer of Photoshop World, president of NAPP, etc. May as well complain about Thomas Jefferson’s hand in the constitution.

If Scott reads this, I’d like him to know that I don’t "shoot photos." I create photographs. Real photographers don’t shoot, they create. Real photographers care enought about their medium that they refer to what they
create as "photographs."

I think it’s more accurate to say that some real photographers call what they do creat\ing images, and others call it shooting them, or taking them.

I’d appreciate suggestions from anyone who can suggest a book I can purchase
that will help me learn how to use Photoshop Elements 4 without attempting
to entertain me.

What level of ability are you,, and what sort of things do you want to do with Elements. For a good all round elements class, take something like Sara Froelich’s elements class at http://www.eclecticacademy.com/. Or cruise around the web for some tutorials – there are any number of good ones and they are free.

You may find yourself being entertained no matter where you go. This is the world we live in.

It’s Christmas. Happy Holidays to all..

Mike Russell
www.curvemeister.com/forum/

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KatWoman
Dec 25, 2006
"Gordon Padwick" wrote in message
A while ago, I purchased Photoshop Elements 4. Then found it wouldn’t run under Windows 2000 on my computer. Now I have a new computer with Windows XP
and have been able to install and run Photoshop Elements 4.
To help me learn how to use Photoshop Elemenrts 4, I bought the book "Adobe
Photoshop Elements Collection" by Scott Kelby (published by New Riders) on sale at Costco. Scott probably knows a lot about using Photoshop, but he’s not a particularly good writer. I bought the book expecting it to help me how to use Photoshop Elements, not to be entertained. As I progress through
the book I find myself increasingly irritated by the cutesy style, unnecessary comments, inattention to significant detail, and grammatical errors. The book doesn’t seem to have been reviewed by competent editors. I’m surprised New Riders would publish such a book.

If Scott reads this, I’d like him to know that I don’t "shoot photos." I create photographs. Real photographers don’t shoot, they create. Real photographers care enought about their medium that they refer to what they create as "photographs."

I’d appreciate suggestions from anyone who can suggest a book I can purchase
that will help me learn how to use Photoshop Elements 4 without attempting to entertain me.

Gordon
so you want us to recommend a dry, terse and boring textbook?

I never used any books to learn PS
just read online what interested me and asked some pros
I think Russell Brown is goofy but I did learn a lot from his site. I think he knows he is goofy too.
quite self deprecating
what you expect from a bunch of geeky artist and programmer nerds? My one experience in teaching PS to a class of college students I thought I was boring them to death, some of them enjoyed it. I wish I was half as knowledgeable at teaching PS as they are, so I don’t criticize what I can’t do better.
TC
tony cooper
Dec 26, 2006
On Mon, 25 Dec 2006 04:50:20 GMT, "Gordon Padwick" wrote:

A while ago, I purchased Photoshop Elements 4. Then found it wouldn’t run under Windows 2000 on my computer. Now I have a new computer with Windows XP and have been able to install and run Photoshop Elements 4.
To help me learn how to use Photoshop Elemenrts 4, I bought the book "Adobe Photoshop Elements Collection" by Scott Kelby (published by New Riders) on sale at Costco. Scott probably knows a lot about using Photoshop, but he’s not a particularly good writer. I bought the book expecting it to help me how to use Photoshop Elements, not to be entertained. As I progress through the book I find myself increasingly irritated by the cutesy style, unnecessary comments, inattention to significant detail, and grammatical errors. The book doesn’t seem to have been reviewed by competent editors. I’m surprised New Riders would publish such a book.

I’d appreciate suggestions from anyone who can suggest a book I can purchase that will help me learn how to use Photoshop Elements 4 without attempting to entertain me.

I’m sure you can find something boringly technical enough for you, though I can’t recommend a particular title. I can, however, recommend a better way for you to shop for a book. Instead of scrounging around in Costco, go to a Borders or a Barnes & Noble, pick up a half-dozen books on the Photoshop Elements, and take them to the coffee bar. Buy yourself an over-priced cup of coffee and skim the books until you come across one with a suitably ponderous style which fits with your reading interests. Buy that book.

If Scott reads this, I’d like him to know that I don’t "shoot photos." I create photographs. Real photographers don’t shoot, they create. Real photographers care enought about their medium that they refer to what they create as "photographs."

Pretentious? Moi?



Tony Cooper
Orlando, FL
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Michael J Davis
Dec 26, 2006
In message <n0Xjh.8983$>, KatWoman
writes
"Gordon Padwick" wrote in message
A while ago, I purchased Photoshop Elements 4. Then found it wouldn’t run under Windows 2000 on my computer. Now I have a new computer with Windows XP
and have been able to install and run Photoshop Elements 4.
To help me learn how to use Photoshop Elemenrts 4, I bought the book "Adobe
Photoshop Elements Collection" by Scott Kelby (published by New Riders) on sale at Costco. Scott probably knows a lot about using Photoshop, but he’s not a particularly good writer. I bought the book expecting it to help me how to use Photoshop Elements, not to be entertained. As I progress through
the book I find myself increasingly irritated by the cutesy style, unnecessary comments, inattention to significant detail, and grammatical errors. The book doesn’t seem to have been reviewed by competent editors. I’m surprised New Riders would publish such a book.

If Scott reads this, I’d like him to know that I don’t "shoot photos." I create photographs. Real photographers don’t shoot, they create. Real photographers care enought about their medium that they refer to what they create as "photographs."

I’d appreciate suggestions from anyone who can suggest a book I can purchase
that will help me learn how to use Photoshop Elements 4 without attempting to entertain me.

so you want us to recommend a dry, terse and boring textbook?
I never used any books to learn PS
just read online what interested me and asked some pros
I think Russell Brown is goofy but I did learn a lot from his site. I think he knows he is goofy too.
quite self deprecating
what you expect from a bunch of geeky artist and programmer nerds? My one experience in teaching PS to a class of college students I thought I was boring them to death, some of them enjoyed it. I wish I was half as knowledgeable at teaching PS as they are, so I don’t criticize what I can’t do better.

I have had Elements 1 for five years, and have just bought Elements 5.

Both come with excellent tutorials (and the manuals aren’t bad, either), so I assume 4 dos, too. If you can cope with those then you should be able to search for others (indeed many PS tutorials too) on the web.

I quite like http://myjanee.home.insightbb.com/tutorials.htm but haven’t done much with them…. yet!

Mike

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