RAW?

"Deon" wrote in message

Hi there,

PS CS2

I took some photographs with my camera which were saved in RAW. I opened and edit the images and then saved it in PS RAW. When I tried to open them, they are all Grey with NO detail whatsoever.

Am I doing something wrong?

Yes – save them in a different format, such as PSD, TIFF, or JPG. PS RAW is an old numeric format that has nothing to do with camera raw images. —
Mike Russell
www.curvemeister.com/forum/

Ok, thanx for the advise.

deon

Mike Russell wrote:

"Deon" wrote in message

Hi there,

PS CS2

I took some photographs with my camera which were saved in RAW. I opened and edit the images and then saved it in PS RAW. When I tried to open them, they are all Grey with NO detail whatsoever.

Am I doing something wrong?

Yes – save them in a different format, such as PSD, TIFF, or JPG. PS RAW is an old numeric format that has nothing to do with camera raw images.

What PS RAW are you talking about? If you mean once you had the image in Photoshop you went to File > Save As and chose the RAW format in the drop down that isn’t a true RAW format. It is a bitmap format like TIF and was added for some specific reason. At the time Adobe added it RAW images from cameras either weren’t readily available or not available at all. Now that just confuses people.

Save your images as a PSD, TIF, or if you don’t mind lossy compression JPG. Forget about the RAW in the file save/save as drop down list.

ljc

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"Deon" wrote in message

Hi there,

PS CS2

I took some photographs with my camera which were saved in RAW. I opened and edit the images and then saved it in PS RAW. When I tried to open them, they are all Grey with NO detail whatsoever.

Am I doing something wrong?

Regards,
deon

Yes – save them in a different format, such as PSD, TIFF, or JPG. PS RAW is an old numeric format that has nothing to do with camera raw images. —
Mike Russell
www.curvemeister.com/forum/

This thread reminded me of a question. What is the least destructive format to save them to? I have assumed that a PSD would be the best for working with and then the JPEG/TIFF decision depending on the intended use of the final product.
Rob

"Scubabix" wrote in message

Yes – save them in a different format, such as PSD, TIFF, or JPG. PS RAW is an old numeric format that has nothing to do with camera raw images. —
Mike Russell
www.curvemeister.com/forum/

This thread reminded me of a question. What is the least destructive format to save them to? I have assumed that a PSD would be the best for working with and then the JPEG/TIFF decision depending on the intended use of the final product.

Hi Rob,

For a lossless format, I’d recommend either PSD or TIFF. According to chatter on the adobe discussion groups, things are leaning a little away from PSD, and toward TIFF.
—
Mike Russell
www.curvemeister.com/forum/

"Mike Russell" wrote in message

"Scubabix" wrote in message

Yes – save them in a different format, such as PSD, TIFF, or JPG. PS RAW is an old numeric format that has nothing to do with camera raw images.
—
Mike Russell
www.curvemeister.com/forum/

This thread reminded me of a question. What is the least destructive format to save them to? I have assumed that a PSD would be the best for working with and then the JPEG/TIFF decision depending on the intended use of the final product.

Hi Rob,

For a lossless format, I’d recommend either PSD or TIFF. According to chatter on the adobe discussion groups, things are leaning a little away from PSD, and toward TIFF.
—
Mike Russell
www.curvemeister.com/forum/

Thank you.
Rob

Adobe is moving away from PSD. They don’t plan to remove support for it from Photoshop, but they do recommend TIFF over PSD now. They say that TIFF supports everything PSD does. That maybe true, but many programs have problems with off flavors of TIFF for example TIFF’s with layers. But, then many programs don’t handle PSD files well either.

I think any non-lossy format is fine. I save layered files in PSD, non layered files in TIF and then I always have whatever my camera shot as I never throw away an original digital camera image.

ljc

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"Scubabix" wrote in message

Yes – save them in a different format, such as PSD, TIFF, or JPG. PS RAW is an old numeric format that has nothing to do with camera raw images. —
Mike Russell
www.curvemeister.com/forum/

This thread reminded me of a question. What is the least destructive format to save them to? I have assumed that a PSD would be the best for working with and then the JPEG/TIFF decision depending on the intended use of the final product.
Rob

On Wed, 24 Jan 2007 23:53:38 GMT, "Mike Russell" wrote:

"Scubabix" wrote in message

Yes – save them in a different format, such as PSD, TIFF, or JPG. PS RAW is an old numeric format that has nothing to do with camera raw images. —
Mike Russell
www.curvemeister.com/forum/

This thread reminded me of a question. What is the least destructive format to save them to? I have assumed that a PSD would be the best for working with and then the JPEG/TIFF decision depending on the intended use of the final product.

Hi Rob,

For a lossless format, I’d recommend either PSD or TIFF. According to chatter on the adobe discussion groups, things are leaning a little away from PSD, and toward TIFF.

I have always heard TIFF is the best but never heard any understandable explainations.

From what people at Adobe on the Adobe Forums have said is that they are updating TIFF more than PSD now. Since Adobe owns TIFF it makes sense that they would be able to do this if they wanted. However, it has been strongly stressed that PSD isn’t going to be dropped from any Adobe product. It may however get to a point that it lacks support for things that TIFF does, but PSD will be there.

I suspect they want to go with TIFF since it is a much more widely used format. Just about any program that works with any kind of images supports at least some flavor of TIFF. However, it is the flavors of TIFF that can be a tricky problem there are thousands of flavors. Many we don’t see in the real world (designed for a specific application used by a specific company) but there are a good dozen or so that crop up in the outside world from time to time. One of which is Adobe’s own layered TIFFs. Very few programs support layered TIFF files or supports them correctly if they try.

ljc

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On Jan 25, 12:52 am, "Little Juice Coupe" wrote:

Adobe is moving away from PSD. They don’t plan to remove support for it from Photoshop, but they do recommend TIFF over PSD now. They say that TIFF supports everything PSD does.

[snip]

I believe that TIFF is limited to 4GB? There is a variant of PSD that goes higher. But … that doesn’t affect most of us!

—
Barry Pearson
http://www.barrypearson.co.uk/photography/

In article <6kSth.22615$>, RE-
says…

"Scubabix" wrote in message

Yes – save them in a different format, such as PSD, TIFF, or JPG. PS RAW is an old numeric format that has nothing to do with camera raw images. —
Mike Russell
www.curvemeister.com/forum/

This thread reminded me of a question. What is the least destructive format to save them to? I have assumed that a PSD would be the best for working with and then the JPEG/TIFF decision depending on the intended use of the final product.

Hi Rob,

For a lossless format, I’d recommend either PSD or TIFF. According to chatter on the adobe discussion groups, things are leaning a little away from PSD, and toward TIFF.
—
Mike Russell
www.curvemeister.com/forum/

Mike, I have heard that same chatter, but since PSD is embraced by so very many Adobe programs, InDesign, Illustrator (for Raster, obviously), Premiere, After Effects, EncoreDVD, etc., I tend to believe some Adobe folk, who swear that PSD is not going away. I for one, hope that this will be the case, as I’d really hate to think that I may have to keep even more legacy SW (I already have a steamer trunk of legacy HW going back to SyQuest 44’s), just to Open and work on PSD’s. However, only time will tell.

In a similar note, it seems that development and implementation of DNG has slowed, or appears to. I did some archiving with it, but never really implemented it into my workflow. What do you hear about it?

Hunt

"Hunt" wrote in message

In article <6kSth.22615$>, RE-
says…

"Scubabix" wrote in message

Yes – save them in a different format, such as PSD, TIFF, or JPG. PS RAW
is an old numeric format that has nothing to do with camera raw images. —
Mike Russell
www.curvemeister.com/forum/

This thread reminded me of a question. What is the least destructive format to save them to? I have assumed that a PSD would be the best for working with and then the JPEG/TIFF decision depending on the intended use
of the final product.

Hi Rob,

For a lossless format, I’d recommend either PSD or TIFF. According to chatter on the adobe discussion groups, things are leaning a little away from PSD, and toward TIFF.
—
Mike Russell
www.curvemeister.com/forum/

Mike, I have heard that same chatter, but since PSD is embraced by so very many Adobe programs, InDesign, Illustrator (for Raster, obviously), Premiere,
After Effects, EncoreDVD, etc., I tend to believe some Adobe folk, who swear
that PSD is not going away.

Not to worry. This will be a tectonic shift. There will always be some sort of legacy support for PSD images. Look, Pixar format images are supported. How many images of Andre and Wally B have you opened lately? I highly doubt many such images have been produced since I left that company in the mid 90’s.

I for one, hope that this will be the case, as I’d
really hate to think that I may have to keep even more legacy SW (I already
have a steamer trunk of legacy HW going back to SyQuest 44’s), just to Open
and work on PSD’s. However, only time will tell.

I have such a trunk as well jammed against my left knee under the desk. It contains among other things, a classic Mac SE32, and some ancient daguerotypes. I find that rollers on the bottom of the trunk help.

In a similar note, it seems that development and implementation of DNG has slowed, or appears to. I did some archiving with it, but never really implemented it into my workflow. What do you hear about it?

Not at all. BTW – For those who just tuned in, DNG stands for Digital Negative. It is a device independent format for storing raw camera images, and some cameras produce DNG format directly. I would not hesitate to recommend DNG as a format for storing RAW images, though I would balk ever deleting the original image from a camera in any situation. —
Mike Russell
www.curvemeister.com/forum/

No one said it was going away. What was said was Adobe is pushing TIFF. They will be leaving PSD support in their programs at least until enough people stop using PSD which maybe never. Even with this, I still trust PSD for layered, layer masked, etc. images over TIF.

ljc

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Do not assume that because I didn’t reply to your comments that you are correct or that I am wrong or that I am correct and your are wrong. You can assume that you bore me!

"Hunt" wrote in message

In article <6kSth.22615$>, RE-
says…

"Scubabix" wrote in message

Yes – save them in a different format, such as PSD, TIFF, or JPG. PS RAW
is an old numeric format that has nothing to do with camera raw images. —
Mike Russell
www.curvemeister.com/forum/

This thread reminded me of a question. What is the least destructive format to save them to? I have assumed that a PSD would be the best for working with and then the JPEG/TIFF decision depending on the intended use
of the final product.

Hi Rob,

For a lossless format, I’d recommend either PSD or TIFF. According to chatter on the adobe discussion groups, things are leaning a little away from PSD, and toward TIFF.
—
Mike Russell
www.curvemeister.com/forum/

Mike, I have heard that same chatter, but since PSD is embraced by so very many Adobe programs, InDesign, Illustrator (for Raster, obviously), Premiere,
After Effects, EncoreDVD, etc., I tend to believe some Adobe folk, who swear
that PSD is not going away. I for one, hope that this will be the case, as I’d
really hate to think that I may have to keep even more legacy SW (I already
have a steamer trunk of legacy HW going back to SyQuest 44’s), just to Open
and work on PSD’s. However, only time will tell.

In a similar note, it seems that development and implementation of DNG has slowed, or appears to. I did some archiving with it, but never really implemented it into my workflow. What do you hear about it?
Hunt

"Barry Pearson" wrote in message

On Jan 25, 12:52 am, "Little Juice Coupe" wrote:

Adobe is moving away from PSD. They don’t plan to remove support for it from
Photoshop, but they do recommend TIFF over PSD now. They say that TIFF supports everything PSD does.

[snip]

I believe that TIFF is limited to 4GB? There is a variant of PSD that goes higher. But … that doesn’t affect most of us!

—
Barry Pearson
http://www.barrypearson.co.uk/photography/

LOL 4GB images
my comp is choking and coughing just hearing that……..

On Jan 25, 3:45 pm, (Hunt) wrote:
[snip]

In a similar note, it seems that development and implementation of DNG has slowed, or appears to. I did some archiving with it, but never really implemented it into my workflow. What do you hear about it?

Progress steadily continues:
http://www.barrypearson.co.uk/articles/dng/history.htm#dng

—
Barry Pearson
http://www.barrypearson.co.uk/photography/

Check out 1.7GB and 15,000 layers at this site.
www.bertmonroy.com
That is the PS creation of Bert Monroy click the link to take a closer look at Damen for more info.
Rob

"KatWoman" wrote in message

"Barry Pearson" wrote in message

On Jan 25, 12:52 am, "Little Juice Coupe" wrote:

Adobe is moving away from PSD. They don’t plan to remove support for it from
Photoshop, but they do recommend TIFF over PSD now. They say that TIFF supports everything PSD does.

[snip]

I believe that TIFF is limited to 4GB? There is a variant of PSD that goes higher. But … that doesn’t affect most of us!

—
Barry Pearson
http://www.barrypearson.co.uk/photography/

LOL 4GB images
my comp is choking and coughing just hearing that……..

On 2007-01-24 04:33:27 -0400, Deon said:

Hi there,

PS CS2

I took some photographs with my camera which were saved in RAW. I opened and edit the images and then saved it in PS RAW. When I tried to open them, they are all Grey with NO detail whatsoever.

Am I doing something wrong?

Regards,
deon

You can’t beat a flattened TIF with no compression. ( pc format) Anything that is remotely an image editing software will open this. TIFF is also a lossless format so another plus, I have heard some prepress experts say that EPS from photoshop is actually better quality than tiff. You’d only notice on imagesetters at over 3000laserdots,

go with TIF.

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"Scubabix" wrote:

This thread reminded me of a question. What is the least destructive format to save them to? I have assumed that a PSD would be the best for working with and then the JPEG/TIFF decision depending on the intended use of the final product.

Photoshop (.PSD, .PSB) and TIFF are both lossless formats that preserve layers and do not degrade or lose any image information in any way.

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Yah, see when you need a Rand McNally atlas to locate the parts of your images, you have gone too far.

ljc

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"Little Juice Coupe" wrote in message

Yah, see when you need a Rand McNally atlas to locate the parts of your images, you have gone too far.

ljc

That I can already relate to in my limited experience.
Rob