Question Regarding Raw Settings

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Feb 19, 2007
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I use Photoshop Cs2 and Adobe Lightroom, but when I make changes to the raw fine in one program, it is not reflected when the raw file is opened in the other program. Is there a way to incorporate the settings into the file itself, and not just in a database, or using sidecar files?

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wayne
Feb 19, 2007
Gerry R wrote:
I use Photoshop Cs2 and Adobe Lightroom, but when I make changes to the raw fine in one program, it is not reflected when the raw file is opened in the other program. Is there a way to incorporate the settings into the file itself, and not just in a database, or using sidecar files?

Any Ideas?
It is actually not a good idea to make changes to the RAW file. You should consider it your negative. I make adjustments and then save as a PSD file.

Cheers,

Wayne

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nomail
Feb 19, 2007
Wayne J. Cosshall wrote:

Gerry R wrote:
I use Photoshop Cs2 and Adobe Lightroom, but when I make changes to the raw fine in one program, it is not reflected when the raw file is opened in the other program. Is there a way to incorporate the settings into the file itself, and not just in a database, or using sidecar files?

Any Ideas?

It is actually not a good idea to make changes to the RAW file. You should consider it your negative. I make adjustments and then save as a PSD file.

Nonsense. You cannot change the RAW file itself and you do not change it if you use Lightroom or Photoshop. The answer is: download the update of Camera RAW (3.7). This will synchronize some settings, but not all because settings like ‘Fill Light’ and ‘Recovery’ are not available in Camera RAW 3.7.

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Joe
Feb 20, 2007
Gerry R wrote:

I use Photoshop Cs2 and Adobe Lightroom, but when I make changes to the raw fine in one program, it is not reflected when the raw file is opened in the other program. Is there a way to incorporate the settings into the file itself, and not just in a database, or using sidecar files?

Any Ideas?

I have no idea what you want to give you any other idea <bg>. But thing goes like this

– You can make any change to the RAW file *directly*.

– When you make any change, all the information will be saved to a small external file (.XMP extention) that contains all the commands.

– And in order for Photoshop or any program that can see the change, you have to copy/keep the RAW file and the .XMP file of the RAW file in same folder for Photoshop to read the information/command.
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Joe
Feb 20, 2007
"Wayne J. Cosshall" wrote:

Gerry R wrote:
I use Photoshop Cs2 and Adobe Lightroom, but when I make changes to the raw fine in one program, it is not reflected when the raw file is opened in the other program. Is there a way to incorporate the settings into the file itself, and not just in a database, or using sidecar files?

Any Ideas?
It is actually not a good idea to make changes to the RAW file. You should consider it your negative. I make adjustments and then save as a PSD file.

RAW file can’t be changed (see other message) so there is no good/bad idea to protect the RAW file.

And the better idea is to keep the RAW file as it’s much smaller than PSD or TIFF, and if you want even smaller than save to DNG (I am guessing it’s short for "Digital Negative Graphic" or just "Digital NeGative"?). Just be aware that DNG is Adobe’s own RAW format (or Adobe is trying to make DNG standard or supported by others)

Cheers,

Wayne
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Barry Pearson
Feb 21, 2007
On Feb 19, 1:42 am, Gerry R wrote:
I use Photoshop Cs2 and Adobe Lightroom, but when I make changes to the raw fine in one program, it is not reflected when the raw file is opened in the other program. Is there a way to incorporate the settings into the file itself, and not just in a database, or using sidecar files?

Any Ideas?

CS2 and Lightroom haven’t been synchronising their settings until now. Lightroom 1.0 and ACR 3.7 (which works with CS2) understand one- another’s settings, although ACR 3.7 can’t actually make some of the changes – it can just render them. This applies whether using settings held within DNGs, or in XMP sidecars.

ACR 4.0 in CS3 beta is getting a bit closer to Lightroom 1.0, and has some of the extra sliders that Lightroom has. Perhaps it will respect the settings for JPEGs & TIFFs too (it handles both formats). I would expect the released ACR 4.x in CS3 to have a lot of compatibility with Lightroom, hopefully including Clone / Heal / Red-eye.

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Contrary to popular opinion, a number of software products DO amend raw files. Some camera manufacturer’s software can store settings in the raw files from their cameras, and Adobe products, and some others, can change DNG raw files, whether they were produced in-camera or via conversion.

The myth that raw files are equivalent to a digital negative and are never changed and/or shouldn’t be changed is past its use-by date. What is important is the raw image data WITHIN the raw file – as long as that is preserved, a number of other things in the raw file can be changed, as long as the software understands the format well enough to do so safely. Anyone who feels comfortable with the idea of a digital negative should apply that term to the raw image data within the file, not to the file itself.

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Barry Pearson
http://www.barrypearson.co.uk/photography/

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