What are advantages of Tablet over mouse?

On Sat, 17 Mar 2007 05:34:40 GMT, "Albert"
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What would be the advantages of a good wacom tablet over my highend lazer mouse to do graphic work in Photoshop?
Albert

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Albert wrote:

What would be the advantages of a good wacom tablet over my highend lazer mouse to do graphic work in Photoshop?
Albert

the same difference as if you try to draw with a 10 cm wide piece of charcoal against using a stylus: precision.

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Albert wrote:

What would be the advantages of a good wacom tablet over my highend lazer mouse to do graphic work in Photoshop?
Albert

the same difference as if you try to draw with a 10 cm wide piece of charcoal against using a stylus: precision.

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Thanks…….I’ll look at gettin one. Which would be the best value for money tablet?
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On Sat, 17 Mar 2007 05:34:40 GMT, "Albert"
wrote:

What would be the advantages of a good wacom tablet over my highend lazer mouse to do graphic work in Photoshop?
Albert

When I asked a similar question here ( I think) about 12 months ago, there were as many for one as for the other. I think it basically came down to what sort of work you were doing. As I was doing mainly photo processing with only a little masking and very little drawing, I was advised to stay with the mouse. I got a good one and have been quite happy with the decision.

I would still like to try a tablet for a while but as yet I have not been convinced to spend the money

Albert wrote:

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Albert wrote:

What would be the advantages of a good wacom tablet over my highend lazer mouse to do graphic work in Photoshop?
Albert

the same difference as if you try to draw with a 10 cm wide piece of charcoal against using a stylus: precision.

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Infinitech

Thanks…….I’ll look at gettin one. Which would be the best value for money tablet?
http://polly.cultureforum.net
Albert

Depends on your needs and money too!
I’m happy with an old graphire (A6) which is the cheapest stuff they make, it’s ok for me as long as I do just photo retouching, but painting needs (AMHO) angle control (graphire hasn’t) and A6 may be too small for vector stuff as Illy or CAD manipulation. But A6 is perfect when you dont have to do huge moves to draw, bigger will be painful in the case of small touch-ups. the best stuff and most "universal" to me will be an Intuos A5 (angle control, better resolution, custom control keys, interchangeable pen as brushes, airbrush and so on…beautiful too), depends on the budget. HTH

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On Sat, 17 Mar 2007 05:34:40 GMT, "Albert"
wrote:

What would be the advantages of a good wacom tablet over my highend lazer mouse to do graphic work in Photoshop?
Albert

When I asked a similar question here ( I think) about 12 months ago, there were as many for one as for the other. I think it basically came down to what sort of work you were doing. As I was doing mainly photo processing with only a little masking and very little drawing, I was advised to stay with the mouse. I got a good one and have been quite happy with the decision.

I would still like to try a tablet for a while but as yet I have not been convinced to spend the money

If you want to try a tablet, but don’t want to spend huge bucks, you could try the "Trust" models.
I used one for years, and found it to be a seriously good bit of kit. I’ve upgraded to a Wacom now, because I lost the stylus from my Trust tablet, but if I hadn’t lost it, I’d probably still be using it.

The Trust tablets represent excellent quality for a signifigant saving in the wallet department, but there’s a reason why Wacom is the market leading brand name, and why they’re a bit more expensive. You gets what you pays for.

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What would be the advantages of a good wacom tablet over my highend lazer mouse to do graphic work in Photoshop?

Try signing your name with the mouse.
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"Albert" wrote:

What would be the advantages of a good wacom tablet over my highend lazer mouse to do graphic work in Photoshop?
Albert

Pen has so many advantages over mouse, and it may take 1 to few weeks to get the feel of it (or to get the rotten out of one’s mind), and probably few months to start mastering it.

– Try to sign your signature or write your name with mouse. This just to lets you see some difference between pen vs mouse

– If you know (10) of 5% is less than 50% then you may see the benefit of flashing the pen back/forth many times to get a better result (like using paint brush, dodge/burn, erasing, cloning, or masking etc.)

IOW, if you use use Photoshop to click the Menu, slide the Slider etc. then pen may not give you much benefit, but if you use for retouching or more like pen/brush then pen is a way to go. And I always suggest to get rid of the mouse and learn to use pen 100% on all aps.

On Sat, 17 Mar 2007 05:34:40 GMT, "Albert"
wrote:

What would be the advantages of a good wacom tablet over my highend lazer mouse to do graphic work in Photoshop?
Albert

I would suggest that you try a tablet first, before you buy one.(if it’s possible). The only advantage that I can see for using a tablet is that you have pressure control. You get a bigger line, stroke, etc. if you push down harder on the tablet….just like you would if you used a paint brush.
Other than that, I prefer a mouse. I have seen the other comments about the tablet giving you better control than a mouse, and I respectively disagree. Sure, you can sign your name with a tablet, but why would you want to? Even so, as I’ve commented before on this topic, you have much greater control with a mouse (especially a precision mouse) than you ever would with a tablet.
With a tablet, you have a pen that you hold in your thumb and first two fingers. This gives you three resting points on the surface of the tablet that you can use for leverage.
With a mouse, your whole hand covers the mouse and all of your fingers touch the desk surface. If you use your other hand to hold the front of the mouse, you now have ten fingers resting on the desk surface, and that gives you extremely precise movements. Again, you need to have a precision mouse. (The Razor Viper comes to mind, although any decent laser mouse should be precise enough for most work).
Add to that the fact that you can move the cursor onscreen to your work area, pick up the mouse and move it to a more comfortable position, and you are always working with the mouse in the most comfortable postion for you.
With a tablet, if you want to work on the very top left corner of your monitor, you need to hold the pen in the top left corner of the tablet. Having to work in all areas of the tablet may not be the most comfortable for you.
Again, try one first if you can, you might like it.

Talker

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On Sat, 17 Mar 2007 05:34:40 GMT, "Albert"
wrote:

What would be the advantages of a good wacom tablet over my highend lazer mouse to do graphic work in Photoshop?
Albert

When I asked a similar question here ( I think) about 12 months ago, there were as many for one as for the other. I think it basically came down to what sort of work you were doing. As I was doing mainly photo processing with only a little masking and very little drawing, I was advised to stay with the mouse. I got a good one and have been quite happy with the decision.

I would still like to try a tablet for a while but as yet I have not been convinced to spend the money

that’s what I thought
Thanks
Albert
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"Albert" wrote:

What would be the advantages of a good wacom tablet over my highend lazer mouse to do graphic work in Photoshop?
Albert

Pen has so many advantages over mouse, and it may take 1 to few weeks to get the feel of it (or to get the rotten out of one’s mind), and probably few months to start mastering it.

– Try to sign your signature or write your name with mouse. This just to lets you see some difference between pen vs mouse

– If you know (10) of 5% is less than 50% then you may see the benefit of flashing the pen back/forth many times to get a better result (like using paint brush, dodge/burn, erasing, cloning, or masking etc.)

IOW, if you use use Photoshop to click the Menu, slide the Slider etc. then pen may not give you much benefit, but if you use for retouching or more like pen/brush then pen is a way to go. And I always suggest to get rid of the mouse and learn to use pen 100% on all aps.

sounds interesting
thanks
Albert
http://polly.cultureforum.net
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Talker wrote:

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I respectively disagree. Sure, you can sign your name with a tablet, but why would you want to? Even so, as I’ve commented before on this topic, you have much greater control with a mouse (especially a precision mouse) than you ever would with a tablet.

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They don’t suggest you to use pen to sign your signature *but* to give an example of how pen can do that it’s impossible with mouse.

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What would be the advantages of a good wacom tablet over my highend lazer mouse to do graphic work in Photoshop?
Albert

For me, simple ergonomics. Now, I grew up with a stylus in my hand, from back in the old analog days, so I find it far easier to apply pressure, tilt, etc., when using a stylus. Some, who do not do a lot of work with Masks, etc. might not miss the stylus as much.

Evey time that I fire up PS on the laptop without my Wacom, even for just a few quick edits, I swear that I’ll never do that again.

Hunt

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"Infinitech" wrote in message

Albert wrote:

What would be the advantages of a good wacom tablet over my highend lazer mouse to do graphic work in Photoshop?
Albert

the same difference as if you try to draw with a 10 cm wide piece of charcoal against using a stylus: precision.

—
Infinitech

Thanks…….I’ll look at gettin one. Which would be the best value for money tablet?
http://polly.cultureforum.net
Albert

Look into the "refurbished" Wacoms at their site. I’ve used Wacoms for 15+ years and would not think of being without one. I’ve tried a few others, on co-worker’s machines, and have yet to find one, that felt as good, or worked as well, as my Wacoms – even the old ArtZII from the beginning.

Hunt

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"Joe" wrote in message
"Albert" wrote:

What would be the advantages of a good wacom tablet over my highend lazer mouse to do graphic work in Photoshop?
Albert

Pen has so many advantages over mouse, and it may take 1 to few weeks to get the feel of it (or to get the rotten out of one’s mind), and probably few months to start mastering it.

– Try to sign your signature or write your name with mouse. This just to lets you see some difference between pen vs mouse

– If you know (10) of 5% is less than 50% then you may see the benefit of flashing the pen back/forth many times to get a better result (like using paint brush, dodge/burn, erasing, cloning, or masking etc.)
IOW, if you use use Photoshop to click the Menu, slide the Slider etc. then pen may not give you much benefit, but if you use for retouching or more like pen/brush then pen is a way to go. And I always suggest to get rid of the mouse and learn to use pen 100% on all aps.

sounds interesting
thanks
Albert
http://polly.cultureforum.net

Now, I use both a stylus and a mouse. For my Win-stuff, I grab the mouse (I’ve yet to fall in love with the Wacom mice on my newer tablets, so use the Logitech wireless on the workstation), and for all of my work in APP2, EncoreDVD, AAE, etc. For PS & Painter, it’s almost 100% stylus. For AI, I go back and forth, depending on what I’m doing.

In years-gone-by, there were problems with a mouse AND a tablet (Serial days), but those are long behind us. I feel that the best tool for the job is what I want. Tacit, IIRC, is fond of saying, "you can drive a nail with a screwdriver, but a hammer is better… ," or similar. You get the point.

It’s just like keyboards. You use what works best for you. I threw away my new Logitech wireless keyboard, for one that is about 10 years old. I like the weight, the tactile feel of the keys, and their exact size and placement. Plus, it’s beige, and in a darkened editing booth, a black keyboard, with smaller keys, that are not place exactly where my hands fall, is a real problem. Who wants to turn the desk lamp on, just to find the danged keys!?!?

As others have stated, if you can try-out a tablet, do so. Use it for a bit and see what you might be missing.

Hunt

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Talker wrote:

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I respectively disagree. Sure, you can sign your name with a tablet, but why would you want to? Even so, as I’ve commented before on this topic, you have much greater control with a mouse (especially a precision mouse) than you ever would with a tablet.

<snip>

They don’t suggest you to use pen to sign your signature *but* to

give =

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example of how pen can do that it’s impossible with mouse.=20

And I respectively disagree with the assertion, "you have much greater control with a mouse (especially a precision mouse) than you ever would with a tablet." I have tried it, and it doesn’t work for ME. I’ve used various pucks, mice, tablets and about everything, including track-balls. For MY PS work, a stylus is the only tool, that I will use. The possible exception is grabbing a Handle on a Path. Even then, it’s not worth my changing my tool. I also use large tablets, so I have very fine control. Now, with my smaller tablets, it’s not quite as good. However, others love their small tablets, and they work well for them.

Hunt

On 19 Mar 2007 01:45:23 GMT, (Hunt) wrote:

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What would be the advantages of a good wacom tablet over my highend lazer mouse to do graphic work in Photoshop?
Albert

For me, simple ergonomics. Now, I grew up with a stylus in my hand, from back in the old analog days, so I find it far easier to apply pressure, tilt, etc., when using a stylus. Some, who do not do a lot of work with Masks, etc. might not miss the stylus as much.

Evey time that I fire up PS on the laptop without my Wacom, even for just a few quick edits, I swear that I’ll never do that again.

Hunt

You have convinced me Hunt.

I have to beg, borrow or steal a tablet from somewhere for a couple of weeks just to confirm what I am missing out on.

(Hunt) wrote:

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Now, I use both a stylus and a mouse. For my Win-stuff, I grab the mouse (I’ve yet to fall in love with the Wacom mice on my newer tablets, so use the Logitech wireless on the workstation), and for all of my work in APP2, EncoreDVD, AAE, etc. For PS & Painter, it’s almost 100% stylus. For AI, I go back and forth, depending on what I’m doing.

<snip>

I haven’t touched mouse for over a decade now. I started with 12×12 then upgraded to 9×12, and finally upgraded to 4×5 Wacom 5-6 years ago.

(Hunt) wrote:

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Talker wrote:

<snip>

I respectively disagree. Sure, you can sign your name with a tablet, but why would you want to? Even so, as I’ve commented before on this topic, you have much greater control with a mouse (especially a precision mouse) than you ever would with a tablet.

<snip>

They don’t suggest you to use pen to sign your signature *but* to

give =

an
example of how pen can do that it’s impossible with mouse.=20

And I respectively disagree with the assertion, "you have much greater control with a mouse (especially a precision mouse) than you ever would with a tablet." I have tried it, and it doesn’t work for ME. I’ve used various pucks, mice, tablets and about everything, including track-balls. For MY PS work, a stylus is the only tool, that I will use. The possible exception is grabbing a Handle on a Path. Even then, it’s not worth my changing my tool. I also use large tablets, so I have very fine control. Now, with my smaller tablets, it’s not quite as good. However, others love their small tablets, and they work well for them.

Hunt

I don’t disagree with you, but that is not for me as I don’t use mouse. I started with puck, but that is another story which has nothing to do with mouse nor pen, or puck is for pick/poke. And I never put down the pen to agree with you about changing tool.

IOW, you have problem with pen because you still can;t get rid of mouse, when I don’t use mouse or I use pen for everything.

Avery wrote:

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You have convinced me Hunt.

I have to beg, borrow or steal a tablet from somewhere for a couple of weeks just to confirm what I am missing out on.

Just learn to use pen for everything then you may be able to master it with in few short months.

Talker wrote:

On Sat, 17 Mar 2007 05:34:40 GMT, "Albert"
wrote:

What would be the advantages of a good wacom tablet over my highend lazer mouse to do graphic work in Photoshop?
Albert

I would suggest that you try a tablet first, before you buy one.(if it’s possible). The only advantage that I can see for using a tablet is that you have pressure control. You get a bigger line, stroke, etc. if you push down harder on the tablet….just like you would if you used a paint brush.
Other than that, I prefer a mouse. I have seen the other comments about the tablet giving you better control than a mouse, and I respectively disagree. Sure, you can sign your name with a tablet, but why would you want to? Even so, as I’ve commented before on this topic, you have much greater control with a mouse (especially a precision mouse) than you ever would with a tablet.
With a tablet, you have a pen that you hold in your thumb and first two fingers. This gives you three resting points on the surface of the tablet that you can use for leverage.
With a mouse, your whole hand covers the mouse and all of your fingers touch the desk surface. If you use your other hand to hold the front of the mouse, you now have ten fingers resting on the desk surface, and that gives you extremely precise movements. Again, you need to have a precision mouse. (The Razor Viper comes to mind, although any decent laser mouse should be precise enough for most work).
Add to that the fact that you can move the cursor onscreen to your work area, pick up the mouse and move it to a more comfortable position, and you are always working with the mouse in the most comfortable postion for you.
With a tablet, if you want to work on the very top left corner of your monitor, you need to hold the pen in the top left corner of the tablet. Having to work in all areas of the tablet may not be the most comfortable for you.
Again, try one first if you can, you might like it.

Talker

I bought a Wacom and tried to give it a week or so but couldn’t get around not looking at what my hand was doing. I think I’d really like a pen if I had one of those setups where the screen was at like a 45 deg angle and you use the pen right on the screen.

I probably just didn’t give myself enough time to get used to it. <shrugs shoulders>

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On 17 Mar, 06:34, "Albert" wrote:

What would be the advantages of a good wacom tablet over my highend lazer mouse to do graphic work in Photoshop?
Albert

Watch this http://artedigitale.wordpress.com/2007/03/21/how-to-comic-st rips-painting/

Tools: Photoshop and Wacom a5 tablet.