Adobe Has No Plans To Make Current Products Windows Vista Compatible

On Wed, 21 Mar 2007 13:01:38 -0500, Joe wrote:

I am looking to upgrade to CS3, but not looking to move to Windows Vista yet (even I will be getting 2 more notebooks and they may come with Win Vista pre-loaded). And I hope CS3 will run ok with WinXP
See article below

http://www.informationweek.com/windows/showArticle.jhtml?art icleID=198001898&cid=RSSfeed_IWK_News

As an IT Consultant, I have been working with installs of Vista (all versions) on several platforms over the last few months. Here’s what I have experienced (your mileage may vary) regarding graphics programs like Photoshop and various printers (Epson, HP, Cannon etc.):

1) Vista is a PAIN IN THE %$#$! There are many network, printer status monitoring and other process problems that require lots of time and patience to get through!

2) The default network security settings all but disbale network connectivity with any "non-Vista" OS’s especially if your printer servers are win9X – you’re screwed!

3) If you’re an average user and not a computer geek stuck with Vista on a new computer – you’re screwed (unless you’re not doing anything but watching bubbles on a screensaver)!

Honestly, if you can, WAIT and see what the negative customer backlash forces MS to do (if anything) to deal with the multitude of compatibilty issues of third party hardware and software already reported to date.

Only a Monopoly can release Beta software and force you to use it – must be nice!!

Relax – Vista’s a new OS, with the usual assortment of glitches, and Adobe has and will provide reasonable support for their products on it. —
Mike Russell
www.curvemeister.com/forum/

On Wed, 21 Mar 2007 19:53:56 -0700, "Mike Russell" wrote:

Relax – Vista’s a new OS, with the usual assortment of glitches, and Adobe has and will provide reasonable support for their products on it.

Ah – dude – I KNOW it’s a new OS! I’ve only been dealing with this stuff going back to DOS (probably before you were born!)!

Secondly, MS has known about most of this crap for over a YEAR before they released this version (previously known as Longhorn) to those of us who have been following this fiasco!

Pardon my outrage – but my opionion is hardly rare on this subject – try Google Vista before you assume this is just a minor ripple…

"VideoGuru" wrote in message

On Wed, 21 Mar 2007 19:53:56 -0700, "Mike Russell" wrote:

Relax – Vista’s a new OS, with the usual assortment of glitches, and Adobe has and will provide reasonable support for their products on it.

Ah – dude – I KNOW it’s a new OS! I’ve only been dealing with this stuff going back to DOS

That explains the capital letters.

(probably before you were born!)!

Smart is better than old.

Secondly, MS has known about most of this crap for over a YEAR before they released this version (previously known as Longhorn) to those of us who have been following this fiasco!

I’d say there’s a fiasco following you, like a cloud.

Pardon my outrage – but my opionion is hardly rare on this subject –

Or relevant to this newsgroup.

try Google Vista before you assume this is just a minor ripple…

LOL – Microsoft is the company people love to hate, and lately so is Adobe. That’s all that’s going on.
—
Mike Russell
www.curvemeister.com/forum/

On Wed, 21 Mar 2007 23:06:51 GMT, VideoGuru wrote:

On Wed, 21 Mar 2007 13:01:38 -0500, Joe wrote:

I am looking to upgrade to CS3, but not looking to move to Windows Vista yet (even I will be getting 2 more notebooks and they may come with Win Vista pre-loaded). And I hope CS3 will run ok with WinXP

I find a NEW program that I’ve been running since win98 that can NOT run or even install under Vista.

Oddest being today. I have divx 5.1 If you’ll check the sysinfo. Vista comes bundled with divx 5.1 in the media player.
Long story short, I used the converter to chop 700 meg avi’s down to 50 meg divx’s. Divx is apologizing for Vista not being able to run the converter.

What it requires is the mpeg1 audio codec. Divx says they’ll catch up. Worst one being I can’t install the All-in-one software for the HP scanner/printer/copier. It’s an HP machine with vista installed.
HP was screwed. They had zero choice. If they wanted to sell the machine with an OS installed, there was no other choice.
Lose half their own software and user loyalty, or wait till M$ get’s their act together.

Actually I’m fine with HP doing it this way. The printer still works, the scanner and copier do also. The software was just an easy to use interface that tied everything together.

They say they’ll be releasing vista printer software, but I’m not holding my breath.

I’d still be using my XP if it hadn’t burned out under the 4 gigs of ram installed.

FWIW: Never buy more than 2 gigs. a 3rd stick won’t get it up to 3 gigs, and a 4th will put it only slightly over 3 gigs. The OS’s aren’t designed to use much over 2 gigs.
—
more pix @ http://members.toast.net/cbminfo/index.html

On Thu, 22 Mar 2007 00:47:03 -0400, wrote:

On Wed, 21 Mar 2007 23:06:51 GMT, VideoGuru wrote:

On Wed, 21 Mar 2007 13:01:38 -0500, Joe wrote:

I am looking to upgrade to CS3, but not looking to move to Windows Vista yet (even I will be getting 2 more notebooks and they may come with Win Vista pre-loaded). And I hope CS3 will run ok with WinXP

I find a NEW program that I’ve been running since win98 that can NOT run or even install under Vista.

Oddest being today. I have divx 5.1 If you’ll check the sysinfo. Vista comes bundled with divx 5.1 in the media player.
Long story short, I used the converter to chop 700 meg avi’s down to 50 meg divx’s. Divx is apologizing for Vista not being able to run the converter.

What it requires is the mpeg1 audio codec. Divx says they’ll catch up. Worst one being I can’t install the All-in-one software for the HP scanner/printer/copier. It’s an HP machine with vista installed.
HP was screwed. They had zero choice. If they wanted to sell the machine with an OS installed, there was no other choice.
Lose half their own software and user loyalty, or wait till M$ get’s their act together.
Actually I’m fine with HP doing it this way. The printer still works, the scanner and copier do also. The software was just an easy to use interface that tied everything together.

They say they’ll be releasing vista printer software, but I’m not holding my breath.
I’d still be using my XP if it hadn’t burned out under the 4 gigs of ram installed.
FWIW: Never buy more than 2 gigs. a 3rd stick won’t get it up to 3 gigs, and a 4th will put it only slightly over 3 gigs. The OS’s aren’t designed to use much over 2 gigs.

This is one of hundreds of issues with legacy software that fails under Vista. Not only do you have to shell out money for a machine that will run it but you either dump your old software completely or pay hundreds of dollars to get the "latest" version!

Yet there are people who defend MS and gladly shell out bucks! No wonder they don’t care…

On Wed, 21 Mar 2007 21:24:39 -0700, "Mike Russell" wrote:

"VideoGuru" wrote in message

On Wed, 21 Mar 2007 19:53:56 -0700, "Mike Russell" wrote:

Relax – Vista’s a new OS, with the usual assortment of glitches, and Adobe has and will provide reasonable support for their products on it.

Ah – dude – I KNOW it’s a new OS! I’ve only been dealing with this stuff going back to DOS

That explains the capital letters.

(probably before you were born!)!

Smart is better than old.

Excuse me! NOTHING beats OLD….. especially if you are old and still breathing! You might listen to OLD once in a while and learn some of the pitfalls to avoid as you get O L D!!

Secondly, MS has known about most of this crap for over a YEAR before they released this version (previously known as Longhorn) to those of us who have been following this fiasco!

I’d say there’s a fiasco following you, like a cloud.

Pardon my outrage – but my opionion is hardly rare on this subject –

Or relevant to this newsgroup.

try Google Vista before you assume this is just a minor ripple…

LOL – Microsoft is the company people love to hate, and lately so is Adobe. That’s all that’s going on.

My computer involvement goes back farther than DOS. I remember when they had transistoe cores!

Yes. the OS is new. Yes it’s going to be a pain. Who knows whether it will take hold. Knowing business in general as I do it will take hold from the sense that MS will do what is necessary to gloss over the complaints and force feed the marketplace what it feels is needed for the "future".

And Adobe will support whatever is necessary to continue selling it’s products. As will every other manufacturer and developer.

And Microsoft will continue to try to monopolize every aspect of computer use as it always has.

In short. It’s going to be business as usual.

And you, sir, hopefulle WILL get older. <Denture Smile>

On Thu, 22 Mar 2007 05:09:09 GMT, VideoGuru
wrote:

On Thu, 22 Mar 2007 00:47:03 -0400, wrote:

On Wed, 21 Mar 2007 23:06:51 GMT, VideoGuru wrote:

On Wed, 21 Mar 2007 13:01:38 -0500, Joe wrote:

I am looking to upgrade to CS3, but not looking to move to Windows Vista yet (even I will be getting 2 more notebooks and they may come with Win Vista pre-loaded). And I hope CS3 will run ok with WinXP

I find a NEW program that I’ve been running since win98 that can NOT run or even install under Vista.

Oddest being today. I have divx 5.1 If you’ll check the sysinfo. Vista comes bundled with divx 5.1 in the media player.
Long story short, I used the converter to chop 700 meg avi’s down to 50 meg divx’s. Divx is apologizing for Vista not being able to run the converter.

What it requires is the mpeg1 audio codec. Divx says they’ll catch up. Worst one being I can’t install the All-in-one software for the HP scanner/printer/copier. It’s an HP machine with vista installed.
HP was screwed. They had zero choice. If they wanted to sell the machine with an OS installed, there was no other choice.
Lose half their own software and user loyalty, or wait till M$ get’s their act together.
Actually I’m fine with HP doing it this way. The printer still works, the scanner and copier do also. The software was just an easy to use interface that tied everything together.

They say they’ll be releasing vista printer software, but I’m not holding my breath.
I’d still be using my XP if it hadn’t burned out under the 4 gigs of ram installed.
FWIW: Never buy more than 2 gigs. a 3rd stick won’t get it up to 3 gigs, and a 4th will put it only slightly over 3 gigs. The OS’s aren’t designed to use much over 2 gigs.

This is one of hundreds of issues with legacy software that fails under Vista. Not only do you have to shell out money for a machine that will run it but you either dump your old software completely or pay hundreds of dollars to get the "latest" version!
Yet there are people who defend MS and gladly shell out bucks! No wonder they don’t care…

Ummm, I think your thread of conversation might be better served by alt.computers.vista.incessant.complaints

As for here, your input is appreciated. We duely note your dissatisfaction with Vista. Thank you for your input.

VideoGuru wrote:

On Wed, 21 Mar 2007 19:53:56 -0700, "Mike Russell" wrote:

Relax – Vista’s a new OS, with the usual assortment of glitches, and Adobe has and will provide reasonable support for their products on it.

Ah – dude – I KNOW it’s a new OS! I’ve only been dealing with this stuff going back to DOS (probably before you were born!)!
Secondly, MS has known about most of this crap for over a YEAR before they released this version (previously known as Longhorn) to those of us who have been following this fiasco!

Pardon my outrage – but my opionion is hardly rare on this subject – try Google Vista before you assume this is just a minor ripple…

I have no plan to upgrade to VISTA (yet) not because I like or dislike it (which I’ve never used to know myself), but because of my motherboard’s built-in network card that requires specific driver comes with the mboard to work. Or if I upgrade to VISTA then I may have to replace the mboard, or I may have to disable the internal to use external network card.

wrote in message
….

Excuse me! NOTHING beats OLD….. especially if you are old and still breathing! You might listen to OLD once in a while and learn some of the pitfalls to avoid as you get O L D!!

More power to you!

The previous poster rubbed me the wrong way, and I couldn’t resist responding.
—
Mike Russell
www.curvemeister.com/forum/

On Thu, 22 Mar 2007 08:16:38 -0500, Joe wrote:

VideoGuru wrote:

On Wed, 21 Mar 2007 19:53:56 -0700, "Mike Russell" wrote:

[snip]

I have no plan to upgrade to VISTA (yet) not because I like or dislike it (which I’ve never used to know myself), but because of my motherboard’s built-in network card that requires specific driver comes with the mboard to work. Or if I upgrade to VISTA then I may have to replace the mboard, or I may have to disable the internal to use external network card.

It’s really hard to know how much hassle you’re in for. If you’re comfortable building computers from scratch, you might be OK giving it a shot – when you have lot’s of "free time". My main suggestion is find out if the drivers are Vista "ready" before you fire it up and things stop working! Lot’s of vendors don’t have anything ready for Vista – please find out in advance if you can.

Good luck!

On Fri, 23 Mar 2007 00:58:41 GMT, VideoGuru
wrote:

On Thu, 22 Mar 2007 08:16:38 -0500, Joe wrote:

VideoGuru wrote:

On Wed, 21 Mar 2007 19:53:56 -0700, "Mike Russell" wrote:

[snip]

I have no plan to upgrade to VISTA (yet) not because I like or dislike it (which I’ve never used to know myself), but because of my motherboard’s built-in network card that requires specific driver comes with the mboard to work. Or if I upgrade to VISTA then I may have to replace the mboard, or I may have to disable the internal to use external network card.

It’s really hard to know how much hassle you’re in for. If you’re comfortable building computers from scratch, you might be OK giving it a shot – when you have lot’s of "free time". My main suggestion is find out if the drivers are Vista "ready" before you fire it up and things stop working! Lot’s of vendors don’t have anything ready for Vista – please find out in advance if you can.

Good luck!

Building a computer from scratch, once the parts are laid out, takes less than an hour. If you do it often, it’s half that. If you really have no idea what to do, there are many sites that will tell you how.

VideoGuru wrote:

On Thu, 22 Mar 2007 08:16:38 -0500, Joe wrote:

VideoGuru wrote:

On Wed, 21 Mar 2007 19:53:56 -0700, "Mike Russell" wrote:

[snip]

I have no plan to upgrade to VISTA (yet) not because I like or dislike it (which I’ve never used to know myself), but because of my motherboard’s built-in network card that requires specific driver comes with the mboard to work. Or if I upgrade to VISTA then I may have to replace the mboard, or I may have to disable the internal to use external network card.

It’s really hard to know how much hassle you’re in for. If you’re comfortable building computers from scratch, you might be OK giving it a shot – when you have lot’s of "free time". My main suggestion is find out if the drivers are Vista "ready" before you fire it up and things stop working! Lot’s of vendors don’t have anything ready for Vista – please find out in advance if you can.

Good luck!

Yes, I have always built my own system since around mid 80’s. I have never had any driver problem with all systems I built except this one (EPoX 8KDA3I) that I can’t get network (internet) to work unless I install the network driver came with the motherboard (I don’t like this a bit).

I guess my other option is to use external network card. Well, and it may be time to build a faster system <bg>

Oliver Costich wrote:

On Fri, 23 Mar 2007 00:58:41 GMT, VideoGuru
wrote:

On Thu, 22 Mar 2007 08:16:38 -0500, Joe wrote:

VideoGuru wrote:

On Wed, 21 Mar 2007 19:53:56 -0700, "Mike Russell" wrote:

[snip]

I have no plan to upgrade to VISTA (yet) not because I like or dislike it (which I’ve never used to know myself), but because of my motherboard’s built-in network card that requires specific driver comes with the mboard to work. Or if I upgrade to VISTA then I may have to replace the mboard, or I may have to disable the internal to use external network card.

It’s really hard to know how much hassle you’re in for. If you’re comfortable building computers from scratch, you might be OK giving it a shot – when you have lot’s of "free time". My main suggestion is find out if the drivers are Vista "ready" before you fire it up and things stop working! Lot’s of vendors don’t have anything ready for Vista – please find out in advance if you can.

Good luck!

Building a computer from scratch, once the parts are laid out, takes less than an hour. If you do it often, it’s half that. If you really have no idea what to do, there are many sites that will tell you how.

I have no problem building computer from scratch as I have been building 1-2 a year or so since 80’s.

I have never had any driver problem with all systems I built except this one (EPoX 8KDA3I) that I can’t get network
(internet) to work unless I install the network driver came with the motherboard (I don’t like this a bit).

I’m afraid I don’t understand. Why don’t you like it? Do you think the OS install should recognize it and automatically install a driver? Are you referring to Vista or XP in this regard?

On Thu, 22 Mar 2007 06:40:03 -0500, wrote:

incessant

Hmmm – don’t get your point that my replys are "incessant" regarding the original post. What’s "incessant" are the articles consistent with my experience from other companies and developers.

That you don’t agree or get it – yet – is your own personal issue. Please try reading the article from Adobe on the original post – slowly this time…

"Fishface" <?> wrote:

I have never had any driver problem with all systems I built except this one (EPoX 8KDA3I) that I can’t get network
(internet) to work unless I install the network driver came with the motherboard (I don’t like this a bit).

I’m afraid I don’t understand. Why don’t you like it? Do you think the OS install should recognize it and automatically install a driver? Are you referring to Vista or XP in this regard?

No wonder you don’t understand <bg> because I never said what you think I said <bg>

I never said what you are asking, and never have thought about it to give you the answer. I think it would be better just to response to whatever other says instead of making wild guess.

I presume VIDEOGuru is NOT complaining when he gets a check from his customer.

I think there has ALWAYS been problems with a NEW ANYTHING but maybe VIdeoGuru is too immature or too young to know the too.

When XP came out, many software supplies REFUSED to update their DLL’s for add on equipment. As I recall, many of the printers and other hardware companies had RECORD profits since they did not want to service their on going equipment and thus it was easier to ‘force’ new items on the public (i.e. more revenues)

One person’s opinion.

"VideoGuru" wrote in message
: On Thu, 22 Mar 2007 08:16:38 -0500, Joe wrote:
:
: >VideoGuru wrote:
: >
: >> On Wed, 21 Mar 2007 19:53:56 -0700, "Mike Russell" : >> wrote:
: >>
: >[snip]
: >
: > I have no plan to upgrade to VISTA (yet) not because I like or dislike it
: >(which I’ve never used to know myself), but because of my motherboard’s : >built-in network card that requires specific driver comes with the mboard to
: >work. Or if I upgrade to VISTA then I may have to replace the mboard, or I
: >may have to disable the internal to use external network card. :
: It’s really hard to know how much hassle you’re in for. If you’re : comfortable building computers from scratch, you might be OK giving it : a shot – when you have lot’s of "free time". My main suggestion is : find out if the drivers are Vista "ready" before you fire it up and : things stop working! Lot’s of vendors don’t have anything ready for : Vista – please find out in advance if you can.
:
: Good luck!

On Sat, 24 Mar 2007 16:39:21 -0700, "HOTMAIL" wrote:

I presume VIDEOGuru is NOT complaining when he gets a check from his customer.

I think there has ALWAYS been problems with a NEW ANYTHING but maybe VIdeoGuru is too immature or too young to know the too.

[yawn…]

So making money is all that matters here? Wow – those two sentences show you don’t read (with comprehension) or have a clue as to what you’re talking about! Too bad…

CS3 runs great on XP and so far I have NO problems with it in Vista Ultimate.
"Joe" wrote in message
I am looking to upgrade to CS3, but not looking to move to Windows Vista yet (even I will be getting 2 more notebooks and they may come with Win Vista pre-loaded). And I hope CS3 will run ok with WinXP

See article below

http://www.informationweek.com/windows/showArticle.jhtml?art icleID=198001898&cid=RSSfeed_IWK_News

On Sep 13, 6:28 am, "Jerry" wrote:

CS3 runs great on XP and so far I have NO problems with it in Vista Ultimate."Joe" wrote in message

I am looking to upgrade to CS3, but not looking to move to Windows Vista

On Mar 22, 2:09 am, VideoGuru wrote:

On Thu, 22 Mar 2007 00:47:03 -0400, wrote:

On Wed, 21 Mar 2007 23:06:51 GMT, VideoGuru wrote:

On Wed, 21 Mar 2007 13:01:38 -0500, Joe wrote:

I am looking to upgrade to CS3, but not looking to move to Windows Vista yet (even I will be getting 2 more notebooks and they may come with Win Vista pre-loaded). And I hope CS3 will run ok with WinXP

I find a NEW program that I’ve been running since win98 that can NOT run or even install under Vista.

Oddest being today. I have divx 5.1 If you’ll check the sysinfo. Vista comes bundled with divx 5.1 in the media player.
Long story short, I used the converter to chop 700 meg avi’s down to 50 meg divx’s. Divx is apologizing for Vista not being able to run the converter.

What it requires is the mpeg1 audio codec. Divx says they’ll catch up. Worst one being I can’t install the All-in-one software for the HP scanner/printer/copier. It’s an HP machine with vista installed.
HP was screwed. They had zero choice. If they wanted to sell the machine with an OS installed, there was no other choice.
Lose half their own software and user loyalty, or wait till M$ get’s their act together.

Actually I’m fine with HP doing it this way. The printer still works, the scanner and copier do also. The software was just an easy to use interface that tied everything together.

They say they’ll be releasing vista printer software, but I’m not holding my breath.

I’d still be using my XP if it hadn’t burned out under the 4 gigs of ram installed.

FWIW: Never buy more than 2 gigs. a 3rd stick won’t get it up to 3 gigs, and a 4th will put it only slightly over 3 gigs. The OS’s aren’t designed to use much over 2 gigs.

This is one of hundreds of issues with legacy software that fails under Vista. Not only do you have to shell out money for a machine that will run it but you either dump your old software completely or pay hundreds of dollars to get the "latest" version!
Yet there are people who defend MS and gladly shell out bucks! No wonder they don’t care…

I don’t know about Adobe, but I’m unable to support my free plugins (http://www.telegraphics.com.au/sw/) on Vista, because I’ll never ever run it, and so can’t test on it. One might have hoped that all those plugins which worked well on XP and other versions of Windows, not to mention five flavours of MacOS, might ‘just work’ on Vista – but not so – it’s produced a fresh plague of support requests with few workarounds.

I have asked the question on the Adobe PS SDK forum whether other plugin developers have been plagued with new Vista-related support issues, but so far nobody’s replied.
http://www.adobeforums.com/cgi-bin/webx/.3bc49f35

Or perhaps the problems really can be blamed on my code (which otherwise happens to run fine on all six Photoshop platforms, counting other versions of Windows).

yet (even I will be getting 2 more notebooks and they may come with Win Vista pre-loaded). And I hope CS3 will run ok with WinXP
See article below

http://www.informationweek.com/windows/showArticle.jhtml?art icleID=19…

Unfortunatly when you decide to offer producs to the public free or otherwise you have two choices when it comes to new OSes and new versions of programs (in the case of plug-ins). You can get your self a testing system with the new OS/program version and do the testing. Or, you can simply state that the new OS/program isn’t supported. The later has the negative of basically putting an end to the useful life of your products. Sooner rather than later there will be just too few people running the OS/program version needed to use your product.

Don’t get me wrong I think Vista is the biggest pile of shit Microsoft has ever put out and than includes considering Windows Me and Microsoft Bob.

Somebody!