Saving images to specific size

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Boppy
Apr 14, 2007
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Hi guys, an agent has requested images that measure 300 x 230 pixels and are no larger that 100k. My starting images are all around 3 megs and are CMYK tiffs measuring 1000 x 666 pixels at 300 ppi.

Before I go any further, I should mention that I am totally confused by image size between PS and Windows. When opening an image, let’s call it Mountain, Windows XP Explorer tells me it is 3.169 mb. When I open that same image in Photoshop CS2, the info bar beneath the image says it is 2.54 mb. Why the difference?

I’ve tried the following methods to meet the agent’s request, none of which achieve the desired result:

1) Set image size within Photshop:
Set image size to 300 x 200, leaving PPI at 300. Within this dialog box I am told the new size will be 234.1 k. Click OK. PS then says the image is 234.4 k.
Save it as a .jpg: sliding the quality bar from right to left, the dialog box tells me it measures 556.3 k at minimum quality or 619.32k at maximum quality. Choose maximum and then looking in Win Explorer, see that it now measures 640k.

other method:

2) Use Save for web feature: bar beneath image says it’s 138.1k. Set image size at specified pixels: 300 x 200. Quality at 100. Click "apply". Bar beneath image says it’s now 35.54k. Click OK and check in Explorer where I am told the image is now 36 k.

So, my problem is that no matter which method I have tried, the resultant .jpg image either comes out too large or too small.

Apologies for this long post, but is anyone able to give me some guidance on how to achieve the best possible image quality whilst conforming to the agent’s requirements?

Thanks in advance,
Jo

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Dave
Apr 14, 2007
On 14 Apr 2007 00:12:49 -0700, "Boppy" wrote:

Apologies for this long post, but is anyone able to give me some guidance on how to achieve the best possible image quality whilst conforming to the agent’s requirements?

Thanks in advance,
Jo

The long post was necessary to make the problem clear.
Where you talk of 35.54k and 36k, the last one was simply rounded off, of course.
I am using Total Commander as file manager and Nero as DVD writer. Both read sized different end Nero proves itself to be closer to correct by being able to write on a DVD what would have been to big if I believed Total Commander.

Thus, I simply think some programs read sizes wrong.

Dave
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Rob
Apr 14, 2007
Boppy wrote:

Hi guys, an agent has requested images that measure 300 x 230 pixels and are no larger that 100k. My starting images are all around 3 megs and are CMYK tiffs measuring 1000 x 666 pixels at 300 ppi.
Before I go any further, I should mention that I am totally confused by image size between PS and Windows. When opening an image, let’s call it Mountain, Windows XP Explorer tells me it is 3.169 mb. When I open that same image in Photoshop CS2, the info bar beneath the image says it is 2.54 mb. Why the difference?

I’ve tried the following methods to meet the agent’s request, none of which achieve the desired result:

1) Set image size within Photshop:
Set image size to 300 x 200, leaving PPI at 300. Within this dialog box I am told the new size will be 234.1 k. Click OK. PS then says the image is 234.4 k.
Save it as a .jpg: sliding the quality bar from right to left, the dialog box tells me it measures 556.3 k at minimum quality or 619.32k at maximum quality. Choose maximum and then looking in Win Explorer, see that it now measures 640k.

other method:

2) Use Save for web feature: bar beneath image says it’s 138.1k. Set image size at specified pixels: 300 x 200. Quality at 100. Click "apply". Bar beneath image says it’s now 35.54k. Click OK and check in Explorer where I am told the image is now 36 k.

So, my problem is that no matter which method I have tried, the resultant .jpg image either comes out too large or too small.
Apologies for this long post, but is anyone able to give me some guidance on how to achieve the best possible image quality whilst conforming to the agent’s requirements?

Thanks in advance,
Jo

A 300×200 image RGB will be about 200K – You have Tiff CMYK which are larger files than in RGB.

In the crop tool set the width to 3 inches and the height to 2 inches resolution at 100 dpi.

save as jpg Quality of 10 gives a 30k file size.
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Tacit
Apr 14, 2007
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"Boppy" wrote:

So, my problem is that no matter which method I have tried, the resultant .jpg image either comes out too large or too small.

A JPEG is compressed. The size of the compressed JPEG will have a lot to do with the image itself; simple images compress more efficiently thn images with lots of fine detail. What you are doing in Save for Web is correct.

You are having trouble when you do not use Save for Web because the image is CMYK (which is larger than RGB), and the person who wants the image is looking for RGB. It sounds like you may have alpha channels or other extraneous information in there as well.

Use Save for Web, make the image the correct pixel size, set the quality to maximum, and you’re good.


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Mike Russell
Apr 15, 2007
"Boppy" wrote in message
Hi guys, an agent has requested images that measure 300 x 230 pixels and are no larger that 100k. My starting images are all around 3 megs and are CMYK tiffs measuring 1000 x 666 pixels at 300 ppi.
Before I go any further, I should mention that I am totally confused by image size between PS and Windows. When opening an image, let’s call it Mountain, Windows XP Explorer tells me it is 3.169 mb. When I open that same image in Photoshop CS2, the info bar beneath the image says it is 2.54 mb. Why the difference?

I’ve tried the following methods to meet the agent’s request, none of which achieve the desired result:

1) Set image size within Photshop:
Set image size to 300 x 200, leaving PPI at 300. Within this dialog box I am told the new size will be 234.1 k. Click OK. PS then says the image is 234.4 k.
Save it as a .jpg: sliding the quality bar from right to left, the dialog box tells me it measures 556.3 k at minimum quality or 619.32k at maximum quality. Choose maximum and then looking in Win Explorer, see that it now measures 640k.

other method:

2) Use Save for web feature: bar beneath image says it’s 138.1k. Set image size at specified pixels: 300 x 200. Quality at 100. Click "apply". Bar beneath image says it’s now 35.54k. Click OK and check in Explorer where I am told the image is now 36 k.

So, my problem is that no matter which method I have tried, the resultant .jpg image either comes out too large or too small.
Apologies for this long post, but is anyone able to give me some guidance on how to achieve the best possible image quality whilst conforming to the agent’s requirements?

The extra 500K or so is due to the CMYK profile embedded in the image. Uncheck the box at the bottom of the save dialog and you should see a substantially smaller image. Keep in mind that CMYK files are usually provided as tiff files, and the jpeg CMYK files produced by Photoshop are not readable by all programs.

Providing a CMYK file gives you more control over the final appearance of the printed image, and is vital if your image contains line art or type. If this applies in your case, check to make sure this is acceptable. If not, convert the image to sRGB and provide them with RGB files with the relatively small sRGB profile embedded.

The file size numbers you give require some sort of compression, so it will be necessary to give them files in png, jpg, or perhaps another compressed format. Again, check to make sure. If you are unable to get any information at all, provide an sRGB jpg file with the sRGB profile embedded.

The other file size differences, as Dave suggests, come with the territory. Photoshop’s image size is for uncompressed pixel data, while other file size numbers relate to the compressed file size, which includes image data (compressed or not), and the CMYK profile. The Save for Web files do seem a bit small – particularly the 100 setting – but the main reason they are so small is that the file is RGB, and lacks the CMYK profile. —
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Boppy
Apr 15, 2007
Thanks everyone for the responses.
Cheers,
Jo
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Joe
Apr 15, 2007
"Boppy" wrote:

Thanks everyone for the responses.
Cheers,
Jo

And do any of those help? especially which one cuz I don’t think there is any, but I may be wrong.
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Boppy
Apr 16, 2007
On Apr 16, 4:43 am, Joe wrote:
"Boppy" wrote:
Thanks everyone for the responses.
Cheers,
Jo

And do any of those help? especially which one cuz I don’t think there is any, but I may be wrong.

To be honest, I was grateful for the clarification of how PS saves, which was the most helpful aspect of these responses. I ended up going with Save to Web at 100% quality. I’m a bit nervous that the agent has requested 100k files and mine come out at only 40k though.
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Joe
Apr 17, 2007
"Boppy" wrote:

On Apr 16, 4:43 am, Joe wrote:
"Boppy" wrote:
Thanks everyone for the responses.
Cheers,
Jo

And do any of those help? especially which one cuz I don’t think there is any, but I may be wrong.

To be honest, I was grateful for the clarification of how PS saves, which was the most helpful aspect of these responses. I ended up going with Save to Web at 100% quality. I’m a bit nervous that the agent has requested 100k files and mine come out at only 40k though.

From what I know you can save to some quality and resolution etc. then the program will try to get as closest to what you want, and the size will be vary.

Me, I haven’t created image for web for almost a decade now, but before I just reduce the pixel to around 95ppi (before it used DPI) and whatever resolution’s I don’t remember. If I don’t care much about the quality then I may set to 75-80 PPI.
JM
James McNangle
Apr 17, 2007
Joe wrote:

Me, I haven’t created image for web for almost a decade now, but before I just reduce the pixel to around 95ppi (before it used DPI) and whatever resolution’s I don’t remember. If I don’t care much about the quality then I may set to 75-80 PPI.

ppi (DPI) is a term which only has relevance to printing, and then very likely only if you’re using Photoshop to do the printing. Effectively it tells Photoshop what size you want the image to be printed. It has no meaning whatsoever for a web picture. For that you should decide how big you want the picture to look on the screen, and then rescale it to that size. For example if you want to roughly fill the screen on a monitor which is 1024 by 768 you might scale it to be 900 by 600 pixels (but never change the aspect ratio!).

And if you are only going to use the picture on the Web, use the ‘Save for Web’ option, and adjust the quality setting to get the best compromise between file size and acceptable quality of image. As a general rule I use a setting of 45.

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Papa Joe
Apr 18, 2007
On 2007-04-17 19:47:35 -0300, James McNangle said:

Joe wrote:

Me, I haven’t created image for web for almost a decade now, but before I just reduce the pixel to around 95ppi (before it used DPI) and whatever resolution’s I don’t remember. If I don’t care much about the quality then I may set to 75-80 PPI.

ppi (DPI) is a term which only has relevance to printing, and then very likely only if you’re using Photoshop to do the printing. Effectively it tells Photoshop what size you want the image to be printed. It has no meaning whatsoever for a web picture. For that you should decide how big you want the picture to look on the screen, and then rescale it to that size. For example if
you want to roughly fill the screen on a monitor which is 1024 by 768 you might scale it to be 900 by 600 pixels (but never change the aspect ratio!).
And if you are only going to use the picture on the Web, use the ‘Save for Web’ option, and adjust the quality setting to get the best compromise between file size and acceptable quality of image. As a general rule I use a setting of 45.
James McNangle

A lot of you are confused with these terms:

SPI – samples per inch. (when you scan, you scan analog samples and convert them to digital pixel, thus until the scanner converts it is scanning at a sample rate of dots)

PPI – Pixel per inch. you’re monitor.

DPI ( monitor software) for pixels per inch on your monitor ( really should be called PPI)

DPI ( Halftone resolution) for printed images on commercial presses, really should be called LPI – lines per inch.

DPI ( dots per inch of laser output devices – (1200dpi to 2500dpi) The number of laser dots per inch on film, plates, and web rollers that make text, halftone dots to create a composite of one of the four color plates.

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Joe
Apr 18, 2007
James McNangle wrote:

Joe wrote:

Me, I haven’t created image for web for almost a decade now, but before I just reduce the pixel to around 95ppi (before it used DPI) and whatever resolution’s I don’t remember. If I don’t care much about the quality then I may set to 75-80 PPI.

ppi (DPI) is a term which only has relevance to printing, and then very likely only if you’re using Photoshop to do the printing. Effectively it tells Photoshop what size you want the image to be printed. It has no meaning whatsoever for a web picture. For that you should decide how big you want the picture to look on the screen, and then rescale it to that size. For example if you want to roughly fill the screen on a monitor which is 1024 by 768 you might scale it to be 900 by 600 pixels (but never change the aspect ratio!).
And if you are only going to use the picture on the Web, use the ‘Save for Web’ option, and adjust the quality setting to get the best compromise between file size and acceptable quality of image. As a general rule I use a setting of 45.
James McNangle

I am not talking about the meaning, but I am talking about the term older Photoshop used "LPI" (LPI was its advanced) and PPI, as well as the compression level was from 0-100% etc..
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Joe
Apr 18, 2007
Papa Joe <Sorry> wrote:

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A lot of you are confused with these terms:

SPI – samples per inch. (when you scan, you scan analog samples and convert them to digital pixel, thus until the scanner converts it is scanning at a sample rate of dots)

PPI – Pixel per inch. you’re monitor.

DPI ( monitor software) for pixels per inch on your monitor ( really should be called PPI)

DPI ( Halftone resolution) for printed images on commercial presses, really should be called LPI – lines per inch.

DPI ( dots per inch of laser output devices – (1200dpi to 2500dpi) The number of laser dots per inch on film, plates, and web rollers that make text, halftone dots to create a composite of one of the four color plates.

And like the previous poster mentioned DPI or PPI has no meaning, and I even know more than tha, or I can have my 1-PPI has better IQ (Image Quality) or better than his/her 300-DPI photo. That’s how much I know the meaningless of DPI/PPI etc..

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