Calibration…

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Zoeftje
Aug 6, 2007
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I have a problem with calibrating.

After calibrating my screen, I have the same print-outs as if I look at my screen in Photoshop. So far so good…
But… When I then use the Windows viewer to show the pictures at someone or after they have been burned on cd/dvd, they differs a lot from (more pale) from the colors I get in Photoshop.
I haven’t been able to find a single viewer where so that my photo’s look the same as in Photoshop and where I can show one photo after another. Sure, in Digital Photo Professional along with Capture One I can use my color managment settings but they are not viewers but raw editors and most people look at a picture with Windows viewer…

Do I have to work every photo twice then? One for looking at it and another for printing purposes?

It drives me nuts…

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jaSPAMc
Aug 6, 2007
"Zoeftje" found these unused words:

I have a problem with calibrating.

After calibrating my screen, I have the same print-outs as if I look at my screen in Photoshop. So far so good…
But… When I then use the Windows viewer to show the pictures at someone or after they have been burned on cd/dvd, they differs a lot from (more pale) from the colors I get in Photoshop.
I haven’t been able to find a single viewer where so that my photo’s look the same as in Photoshop and where I can show one photo after another. Sure, in Digital Photo Professional along with Capture One I can use my color managment settings but they are not viewers but raw editors and most people look at a picture with Windows viewer…

Do I have to work every photo twice then? One for looking at it and another for printing purposes?

It drives me nuts…
First calibrate your raw monitor with any one of several downloadable programs.

As for ‘pale’, you could be working Mac gamma and viewing PC gamma.
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mirafiori
Aug 6, 2007
senario 1: your image don’t has an embedded profile when open in PS argb color setting . you do the color adjustment to your taste and save it. when the image is opened in program other than PS and usually matches the srgb without color management, you get the desaturated color.

serario 2: your image is embedded with argb profile and opens in PS argb color setting so look normal but desaturated when opens in program other than PS and usually matches the srgb without color management.

senario 3: your image is embedded with srgb profile and opens in PS argb color setting but with color management off. it is too saturated so you do adjustment to normal saturation and saved. when the image is opened in program other than PS and usually matches the srgb without color management, you get the desaturated color.

it is advisable to used your embedded profile if you have one when working in photoshop regardless of color setting but if want to open this image in progam without color management, than better to asign a srgb profile and save as other new file name to use it.

all in all, if your image look good in argb color environment it’ll desaturated in srgb color environment because of different color space. if your image look good in srgb color environment than it will be too saturated in argb color environment.

"Zoeftje" wrote in message
I have a problem with calibrating.

After calibrating my screen, I have the same print-outs as if I look at my screen in Photoshop. So far so good…
But… When I then use the Windows viewer to show the pictures at someone or
after they have been burned on cd/dvd, they differs a lot from (more pale) from the colors I get in Photoshop.
I haven’t been able to find a single viewer where so that my photo’s look the same as in Photoshop and where I can show one photo after another. Sure, in Digital Photo Professional along with Capture One I can use my color managment settings but they are not viewers but raw editors and most people look at a picture with Windows viewer…

Do I have to work every photo twice then? One for looking at it and another
for printing purposes?

It drives me nuts…

MR
Mike Russell
Aug 6, 2007
"Zoeftje" wrote in message
I have a problem with calibrating.

After calibrating my screen, I have the same print-outs as if I look at my screen in Photoshop. So far so good…
But… When I then use the Windows viewer to show the pictures at someone or
after they have been burned on cd/dvd, they differs a lot from (more pale) from the colors I get in Photoshop.

More than likely you are using Adobe RGB as your working space. This color space represents more intense colors than your monitor can display, and will appear less colorful when displayed outside of Photoshop.

I haven’t been able to find a single viewer where so that my photo’s look the same as in Photoshop and where I can show one photo after another. Sure, in Digital Photo Professional along with Capture One I can use my color managment settings but they are not viewers but raw editors and most people look at a picture with Windows viewer…

That’s it exactly. Photoshop is what’s called a "color aware" application. This means that it will convert colors from your image working space (probably Adobe RGB) to monitor space. Other programs simply display the colors as-is, without converting them.

Do I have to work every photo twice then? One for looking at it and another
for printing purposes?

No – just work in sRGB instead of Adobe RGB. Another solution, less desirable but still workable, is to turn off color management entirely, basically turning Photoshop into a non color aware application. The downside of this is that your images will look different on different people’s systems, but that’s happening anyway.

It drives me nuts…

You’re not the first one to notice this effect. 🙂

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Loren Amelang
Aug 6, 2007
On Mon, 6 Aug 2007 11:10:47 -0700, "Mike Russell" wrote:

"Zoeftje" wrote in message
I haven’t been able to find a single viewer where so that my photo’s look the same as in Photoshop and where I can show one photo after another. Sure, in Digital Photo Professional along with Capture One I can use my color managment settings but they are not viewers but raw editors and most people look at a picture with Windows viewer…

That’s it exactly. Photoshop is what’s called a "color aware" application. This means that it will convert colors from your image working space (probably Adobe RGB) to monitor space. Other programs simply display the colors as-is, without converting them.

So with all the dozens of feature-laden photo viewers out there, there really isn’t even one that reads an embedded profile and does proper color management? I’ve certainly looked…

Can it be such a difficult programming task? Is this just a Windows deficiency, or are there no color managed Mac viewers, either? It seems like one of the first features a "professional" viewer would want to advertise.

Strange.

Loren
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Zoeftje
Aug 7, 2007
Hi Loren,

Thanks for your response!

I just found a viewer who can handle color profiles…
It’s the ACDSee v9,0

At last…
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"Loren Amelang" schreef in bericht
On Mon, 6 Aug 2007 11:10:47 -0700, "Mike Russell" wrote:

"Zoeftje" wrote in message
I haven’t been able to find a single viewer where so that my photo’s look
the same as in Photoshop and where I can show one photo after another. Sure, in Digital Photo Professional along with Capture One I can use my color managment settings but they are not viewers but raw editors and most
people look at a picture with Windows viewer…

That’s it exactly. Photoshop is what’s called a "color aware" application.
This means that it will convert colors from your image working space (probably Adobe RGB) to monitor space. Other programs simply display the colors as-is, without converting them.

So with all the dozens of feature-laden photo viewers out there, there really isn’t even one that reads an embedded profile and does proper color management? I’ve certainly looked…

Can it be such a difficult programming task? Is this just a Windows deficiency, or are there no color managed Mac viewers, either? It seems like one of the first features a "professional" viewer would want to advertise.

Strange.

Loren
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Loren Amelang
Aug 7, 2007
On Tue, 07 Aug 2007 08:32:44 GMT, "Zoeftje"
wrote:

I just found a viewer who can handle color profiles…
It’s the ACDSee v9,0

At last…

Thanks for the clue! You wouldn’t know it does color management from their web pages I could find…

But while searching for that, I discovered this:
<http://www.iview-multimedia.com/mediapro/color.php> —–
"MediaPro provides you with color accurate display in all views – List, Thumbnail, Media and Slide Shows – using your operating system’s color management technology (ICM on Windows; ColorSync on Mac). MediaPro gives you visual previews of color profiles before embedding them in the original file, giving the user greater flexibility in testing a range of color profiles to find the best match before saving to the original."
—–

I guess it is more than just a viewer, but could Microsoft have done something right? Maybe they will inspire competition…

Loren
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usenet
Aug 7, 2007
Loren Amelang wrote:

On Tue, 07 Aug 2007 08:32:44 GMT, "Zoeftje"
wrote:

I just found a viewer who can handle color profiles…
It’s the ACDSee v9,0

At last…

Thanks for the clue! You wouldn’t know it does color management from their web pages I could find…

But while searching for that, I discovered this:
<http://www.iview-multimedia.com/mediapro/color.php> —–
"MediaPro provides you with color accurate display in all views – List, Thumbnail, Media and Slide Shows – using your operating system’s color management technology (ICM on Windows; ColorSync on Mac). MediaPro gives you visual previews of color profiles before embedding them in the original file, giving the user greater flexibility in testing a range of color profiles to find the best match before saving to the original." —–

I guess it is more than just a viewer, but could Microsoft have done something right? Maybe they will inspire competition…

Microsoft included color management in Windows starting a while back, but apparently the need for its use hasn’t occurred to many software developers.

Media Pro, by the way, was originally developed by iView, which was subsequently bought by Microsoft. It’s good software, if you can bring yourself to support the Evil Empire. 🙂

All this color management stuff happens mostly by magic on a Mac.


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John McWilliams
Aug 7, 2007
Paul Mitchum wrote:
Loren Amelang wrote:

On Tue, 07 Aug 2007 08:32:44 GMT, "Zoeftje"
wrote:

I just found a viewer who can handle color profiles…
It’s the ACDSee v9,0

At last…
Thanks for the clue! You wouldn’t know it does color management from their web pages I could find…

But while searching for that, I discovered this:
<http://www.iview-multimedia.com/mediapro/color.php> —–
"MediaPro provides you with color accurate display in all views – List, Thumbnail, Media and Slide Shows – using your operating system’s color management technology (ICM on Windows; ColorSync on Mac). MediaPro gives you visual previews of color profiles before embedding them in the original file, giving the user greater flexibility in testing a range of color profiles to find the best match before saving to the original." —–

I guess it is more than just a viewer, but could Microsoft have done something right? Maybe they will inspire competition…

Microsoft included color management in Windows starting a while back, but apparently the need for its use hasn’t occurred to many software developers.

Media Pro, by the way, was originally developed by iView, which was subsequently bought by Microsoft. It’s good software, if you can bring yourself to support the Evil Empire. 🙂

All this color management stuff happens mostly by magic on a Mac.

It also happens in Safari, a web browser that was recently ported to Windows.


john mcwilliams
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Dave
Aug 8, 2007
Paul Mitchum wrote:
All this color management stuff happens mostly by magic on a Mac.

Not even the virus writers support Macs!

Dave

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