Copyright Question

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Marion Sherman Howard
Jul 31, 2003
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I’ve designed what I think is a striking, memorable logo for my new little business and would like to protect it. (i.e. Copyright it.) What do you do to protect your intellectual property?

I’ve got copyright 2003 on my web page but beyond that…..what?

Thanks!

Marion Howard

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Hecate
Jul 31, 2003
On Thu, 31 Jul 2003 18:39:19 GMT, "Marion Sherman Howard" wrote:

I’ve designed what I think is a striking, memorable logo for my new little business and would like to protect it. (i.e. Copyright it.) What do you do to protect your intellectual property?

I’ve got copyright 2003 on my web page but beyond that…..what?
Thanks!

Marion Howard
The simple answer is that any image solely produced by you is automatically copyrighted once you produce/make/create it. That’s under the Berne Convention. OTOH, you may be talking about a Trademark? In which case you can register trademarks. I do believe you can also register copyright in the US, but it won’t give you any more rights than under Berne. I cannot be country specific as laws will differ from country to country as far as trademarks go. However, a logo would be, I assume artwork, and as such copyright.



Hecate
(Fried computers a specialty)
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Mike
Aug 1, 2003
in article , Hecate at
wrote on 7/31/03 4:59 PM:

On Thu, 31 Jul 2003 18:39:19 GMT, "Marion Sherman Howard" wrote:

I’ve designed what I think is a striking, memorable logo for my new little business and would like to protect it. (i.e. Copyright it.) What do you do to protect your intellectual property?

I’ve got copyright 2003 on my web page but beyond that…..what?
Thanks!

Marion Howard
The simple answer is that any image solely produced by you is automatically copyrighted once you produce/make/create it. That’s under the Berne Convention. OTOH, you may be talking about a Trademark? In which case you can register trademarks. I do believe you can also register copyright in the US, but it won’t give you any more rights than under Berne. I cannot be country specific as laws will differ from country to country as far as trademarks go. However, a logo would be, I assume artwork, and as such copyright.

Now make sure to quote Mr. Hecate when you are in court.

":^) ®


Mike

* Logo Design *
Put some fun in your next logo!

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Bernie
Aug 1, 2003
I’ve designed what I think is a striking, memorable logo for my new little business and would like to protect it. (i.e. Copyright it.) What do you do to protect your intellectual property?

I’ve got copyright 2003 on my web page but beyond that…..what?
Thanks!

Marion Howard
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The simple answer is that any image solely produced by you is automatically copyrighted once you produce/make/create it. That’s under the Berne Convention. OTOH, you may be talking about a Trademark? In which case you can register trademarks. I do believe you can also register copyright in the US, but it won’t give you any more rights than under Berne. I cannot be country specific as laws will differ from country to country as far as trademarks go. However, a logo would be, I assume artwork, and as such copyright.
Hecate

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The Berne Convention is an international agreement to which the U.S. is one of some 96 signatories, but if you live and work in the U.S. you really ought follow the rules as delineated by the United States Copyright Office.
http://www.loc.gov/copyright/

For those of you who wish to follow Hecate’s recommendation, first read the following reproduced from the government site referenced above:

There is no such thing as an international copyright that will automatically protect an author’s writings throughout the world. Protection against unauthorized use in a particular country basically depends on the national laws of that country. However, most countries offer protection to foreign works under certain conditions which have been greatly simplified by international copyright treaties and conventions. There are two principal international copyright conventions, the Berne Union for the Protection of Literary and Artistic Property (Berne Convention) and the Universal Copyright Convention (UCC).

The United States became a member of the Berne Convention on March 1, 1989. It has been a member of the UCC since September 16, 1955. Generally, the works of an author who is a national or domiciliary of a country that is a member of these treaties or works first published in a member country or published within 30 days of first publication in a Berne Union country may claim protection under them. There are no formal requirements in the Berne Convention. Under the UCC, any formality in a national law may be satisfied by the use of a notice of copyright in the form and position specified in the UCC. A UCC notice should consist of the symbol © ( C in a circle) accompanied by the year of first publication and the name of the copyright proprietor (example: © 1995 John Doe). This notice must be placed in such manner and location as to give reasonable notice of the claim to copyright. Since the Berne Convention prohibits formal requirements that affect the “exercise and enjoyment” of the copyright, the United States changed its law on March 1, 1989 to make the use of a copyright notice optional. U.S. law however, still provides certain advantages for use of a copyright notice; for example, the use of a copyright notice can defeat a defense of “innocent infringement.”

Even if the work cannot be brought under an international convention, protection may be available in other countries by virtue of a bilateral agreement between the U.S. and other countries or under specific provision of a country’s national laws. (See generally Circular 38a International Copyright Relations of the United States.)

An author who wishes copyright protection for his or her work in a particular country should first determine the extent of protection available to works of foreign authors in that country. If possible, this should be done before the work is published anywhere, because protection may depend on the facts existing at the time of first publication.

There are some countries that offer little or no copyright protection to any foreign works. For current information on the requirements and protection provided by other countries, it may be advisable to consult an expert familiar with foreign copyright laws. The U.S. Copyright Office is not permitted to recommend agents or attorneys or to give legal advice on foreign laws.

Bernie
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J C
Aug 1, 2003
On Fri, 01 Aug 2003 01:16:36 -0700, mike wrote:

in article , Hecate at
wrote on 7/31/03 4:59 PM:

The simple answer is that any image solely produced by you is automatically copyrighted once you produce/make/create it.

Now make sure to quote Mr. Hecate when you are in court.
":^) ®

His first sentence is correct. But I’d suspect that the poster really should register the trademark for the logo.

I wish him well in court if it is ever stolen. Registering Copyright or a Trademark is one thing. Defending it is a whole ‘nother.

— JC
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Hecate
Aug 2, 2003
On Fri, 01 Aug 2003 15:28:04 GMT, J C wrote:

On Fri, 01 Aug 2003 01:16:36 -0700, mike wrote:

in article , Hecate at
wrote on 7/31/03 4:59 PM:

The simple answer is that any image solely produced by you is automatically copyrighted once you produce/make/create it.

Now make sure to quote Mr. Hecate when you are in court.
":^) ®

His first sentence is correct. But I’d suspect that the poster really should register the trademark for the logo.

I wish him well in court if it is ever stolen. Registering Copyright or a Trademark is one thing. Defending it is a whole ‘nother.
Hi JC,

Yes, I agree. As to Mike the Bevel King he wouldn’t need copyright for his work unless the emphasis is on the copy.

And he’s too dim to work out that Hecate isn’t a Mr anyway. 🙂



Hecate
(Fried computers a specialty)
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Kevin
Aug 3, 2003
in article , Hecate at
wrote on 8/1/03 5:05 PM:

And he’s too dim to work out that Hecate isn’t a Mr anyway. 🙂

If you are not a man, you come off as one.

":^) ®


Mike

* Logo Design *
Put some fun in your next logo!

Site at: http://www.artistmike.com
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Bernie
Aug 3, 2003
And he’s too dim to work out that Hecate isn’t a Mr anyway. 🙂
hecate
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If you are not a man, you come off as one.
Kevin
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Right you are, Kevin. Too much testosterone, too little estrogen. CAN’T be a very pretty sight. Assuming that everyone is into ancient fables, "Hecate" takes her name (bastardized from the more correct Hekate) from Greek mythology where she her name-sake is said to be a handmaiden of Aphrodite. A homoerotic ( no kidding) love spell dating from the third century describes Her as "Mistress Ruler of all mankind, all-dreadful one, bursting out of the Earth." But today She is most often portrayed as a dark & evil manifestation who wanders in graveyards or haunts dark nights with terrifying hounds of hell . . . Sounds about right, Kevin . . . Don’t ya think?

Bernie
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Hecate
Aug 3, 2003
On Sat, 02 Aug 2003 23:37:31 -0700, Kevin wrote:

in article , Hecate at
wrote on 8/1/03 5:05 PM:

And he’s too dim to work out that Hecate isn’t a Mr anyway. 🙂

If you are not a man, you come off as one.
Nope, don’t do that either, I don’t have the equipment.



Hecate
(Fried computers a specialty)
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Hecate
Aug 3, 2003
On Sun, 03 Aug 2003 08:06:24 -0400, Bernie <> wrote:

And he’s too dim to work out that Hecate isn’t a Mr anyway. 🙂
hecate
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If you are not a man, you come off as one.
Kevin
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Right you are, Kevin. Too much testosterone, too little estrogen.

Ah, Bernie, see you’re around again. Didn’t realise you were one of Mike’s little friends.

Ah well, easy to take care of…



Hecate
(Fried computers a specialty)
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Mike
Aug 4, 2003
in article , Hecate at
wrote on 8/3/03 4:58 PM:

On Sun, 03 Aug 2003 08:06:24 -0400, Bernie <> wrote:
And he’s too dim to work out that Hecate isn’t a Mr anyway. 🙂
hecate
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If you are not a man, you come off as one.
Kevin
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Right you are, Kevin. Too much testosterone, too little estrogen.

Ah, Bernie, see you’re around again. Didn’t realise you were one of Mike’s little friends.

Ah well, easy to take care of…

She/he/it does not like the truth.


Mike

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