Cropping irregular shapes – Photoshop Elements 6.0

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Cropping irregular shapes
Can someone out there help with what I’m sure is a simple task for those who know Photo Shop -obviously, by my asking the question, I do not.
I have a newspaper article that was scanned and then given to me. I want to manipulate in Photo Shop prior to including it in a slide show. The article headline is 5 columns wide. The desired article beneath is 3 columns wide with the other two columns filed with advertisements and other undesirable material. I am wanting to "crop out" or eliminate those adjoining "undesirable" columns. I cannot do it by using the standard cropping tool – at least with my knowledge.

Help, please, I know this should be an easy task for those in the know – unfortunately I am not such a person.

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RobertJM
Jun 14, 2008
"Duane Lee" wrote in message
Cropping irregular shapes
Can someone out there help with what I’m sure is a simple task for those who know Photo Shop -obviously, by my asking the question, I do not.
I have a newspaper article that was scanned and then given to me. I want to manipulate in Photo Shop prior to including it in a slide show. The article headline is 5 columns wide. The desired article beneath is 3 columns wide with the other two columns filed with advertisements and other undesirable material. I am wanting to "crop out" or eliminate those adjoining "undesirable" columns. I cannot do it by using the standard cropping tool – at least with my knowledge.
Help, please, I know this should be an easy task for those in the know – unfortunately I am not such a person.
I haven’t got Elements but I presume it has the retangle marque tool , select the area you want to remove then press delete(or backspace).


Rob
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Duane Lee
Jun 14, 2008
Rob thanks for your help – I’m half way there.
I have followed your instructions and yes have eliminated the unwanted material. I have saved the file and when I view it I now have a "white" space in the area that had the unwanted material. Can you help me remove that white area so that I looks like I took a pair of scissors and cut out the article prior to scanning it?
Thanks,
Duane

"RobertJM" wrote in message
"Duane Lee" wrote in message
Cropping irregular shapes
Can someone out there help with what I’m sure is a simple task for those who know Photo Shop -obviously, by my asking the question, I do not.
I have a newspaper article that was scanned and then given to me. I want to manipulate in Photo Shop prior to including it in a slide show. The article headline is 5 columns wide. The desired article beneath is 3 columns wide with the other two columns filed with advertisements and other undesirable material. I am wanting to "crop out" or eliminate those adjoining "undesirable" columns. I cannot do it by using the standard cropping tool – at least with my knowledge.
Help, please, I know this should be an easy task for those in the know – unfortunately I am not such a person.
I haven’t got Elements but I presume it has the retangle marque tool , select the area you want to remove then press delete(or backspace).


Rob
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jaSPAMc
Jun 14, 2008
Imagery is a rectangle only. Thus you have to have -=something=- to fill in the deleted areas.

You can use the colour picker and select the areas and fill with some colour or pattern that will suit.

You could, for example, select a section of the newspaper without printing and then capture that as a pattern and fill the ‘white’ areas.

"Duane Lee" found these unused words:

Rob thanks for your help – I’m half way there.
I have followed your instructions and yes have eliminated the unwanted material. I have saved the file and when I view it I now have a "white" space in the area that had the unwanted material. Can you help me remove that white area so that I looks like I took a pair of scissors and cut out the article prior to scanning it?
Thanks,
Duane

"RobertJM" wrote in message
"Duane Lee" wrote in message
Cropping irregular shapes
Can someone out there help with what I’m sure is a simple task for those who know Photo Shop -obviously, by my asking the question, I do not.
I have a newspaper article that was scanned and then given to me. I want to manipulate in Photo Shop prior to including it in a slide show. The article headline is 5 columns wide. The desired article beneath is 3 columns wide with the other two columns filed with advertisements and other undesirable material. I am wanting to "crop out" or eliminate those adjoining "undesirable" columns. I cannot do it by using the standard cropping tool – at least with my knowledge.
Help, please, I know this should be an easy task for those in the know – unfortunately I am not such a person.
I haven’t got Elements but I presume it has the retangle marque tool , select the area you want to remove then press delete(or backspace).


Rob
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nomail
Jun 14, 2008
Duane Lee wrote:

Rob thanks for your help – I’m half way there.
I have followed your instructions and yes have eliminated the unwanted material. I have saved the file and when I view it I now have a "white" space in the area that had the unwanted material. Can you help me remove that white area so that I looks like I took a pair of scissors and cut out the article prior to scanning it?

You cannot save an irregularly shaped image. By definition, every image is a rectangle or a square. The only way you can make it appear as if the image is irregularly shaped, is by having your object in a layer and not having a background, so that anything surrounding the object is transparent. So before you remove the area arounfd the object, change the background layer into a normal layer first. You can do that by double clicking on its icon in the layers palette. You do have to realize that not every file format supports layers and transparency, though. TIFF does support it, JPEG does not, for example.


Johan W. Elzenga johan<<at>>johanfoto.nl Editor / Photographer http://www.johanfoto.com
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RobertJM
Jun 14, 2008
"Johan W. Elzenga" wrote in message
Duane Lee wrote:

Rob thanks for your help – I’m half way there.
I have followed your instructions and yes have eliminated the unwanted material. I have saved the file and when I view it I now have a "white" space in the area that had the unwanted material. Can you help me remove that white area so that I looks like I took a pair of scissors and cut out
the article prior to scanning it?

You cannot save an irregularly shaped image. By definition, every image is a rectangle or a square. The only way you can make it appear as if the image is irregularly shaped, is by having your object in a layer and not having a background, so that anything surrounding the object is transparent. So before you remove the area arounfd the object, change the background layer into a normal layer first. You can do that by double clicking on its icon in the layers palette. You do have to realize that not every file format supports layers and transparency, though. TIFF does support it, JPEG does not, for example.


Johan W. Elzenga johan<<at>>johanfoto.nl Editor / Photographer http://www.johanfoto.com

When you say you want to use it in a slideshow, is that the old fashioned style or
as on your PC? Don’t know how/if transparent background would work on the old style.

You could make a slightly bigger all , say black , image, paste your scan on to it as another
layer then, with your scan layer selected, delete the white bits again, or erase the edges roughly
for a cut out look.

PS If this all sounds amateurish , it’s because I am πŸ˜‰


Rob
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Dave
Jun 14, 2008
"RobertJM" wrote:
PS If this all sounds amateurish , it’s because I am πŸ˜‰

Being amateurish is wonderful, because
that is where experimenters are from:-)

http://dave.photos.gb.net/p50434066.html
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OM
Jun 14, 2008
On Sat, 14 Jun 2008 17:11:12 +0200, (Johan W.
Elzenga) wrote:

You do have to
realize that not every file format supports layers and transparency, though. TIFF does support it, JPEG does not, for example.

….Had the Joint Photographic Experts Group approved ISO 10918-1’s original plan to include a "transparency bit" to give their images a "non-color" to use for transparencies, this wouldn’t be a problem and GIF would possibly be about as extinct as original ZIP is today. The problem is that nobody at the JPEG group envisioned the usefulness of having a high-resolution image that could "float" on any background, such as the ones that would be needed for the
then-still-in-the-distance World Wide Web. Granted, PNGs allow for transparency, but you can’t get anywhere near the compression *and* quality you’d expect from a JPEG when trying to get the PNG down to a more bandwidth-friendly size.

OM

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Duane Lee
Jun 14, 2008
Johan
I certainly appreciate yours and everyone’s help in trying to solve my problem – it is obviously much more difficult than what I had first anticipated (why is it that ALL my problems seem to be that way???). I have now spent hours upon hours and have been unsuccessful. I have gone through your steps many many times and I must be missing something for I still get a "white box" in the deleted area when I have saved the file. Unless you have any other ideas – I guess I will "throw up my hands" and say that "PS Elements beat me on this one".
"Johan W. Elzenga" wrote in message
Duane Lee wrote:

Rob thanks for your help – I’m half way there.
I have followed your instructions and yes have eliminated the unwanted material. I have saved the file and when I view it I now have a "white" space in the area that had the unwanted material. Can you help me remove that white area so that I looks like I took a pair of scissors and cut out
the article prior to scanning it?

You cannot save an irregularly shaped image. By definition, every image is a rectangle or a square. The only way you can make it appear as if the image is irregularly shaped, is by having your object in a layer and not having a background, so that anything surrounding the object is transparent. So before you remove the area arounfd the object, change the background layer into a normal layer first. You can do that by double clicking on its icon in the layers palette. You do have to realize that not every file format supports layers and transparency, though. TIFF does support it, JPEG does not, for example.


Johan W. Elzenga johan<<at>>johanfoto.nl Editor / Photographer http://www.johanfoto.com
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John J
Jun 14, 2008
Duane Lee wrote:
Johan
I certainly appreciate yours and everyone’s help in trying to solve my problem – it is obviously much more difficult than what I had first anticipated (why is it that ALL my problems seem to be that way???). I have now spent hours upon hours and have been unsuccessful. I have gone through your steps many many times and I must be missing something for I still get a "white box" in the deleted area when I have saved the file. Unless you have any other ideas – I guess I will "throw up my hands" and say that "PS Elements beat me on this one".

I do not know Elements, but it supposedly strives to be helpful and simple, so look under the Help menu and see if it has what Photoshop used to have – "Save with transparency". It will guide you through the steps.
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RobertJM
Jun 14, 2008
"Duane Lee" wrote in message
Johan
I certainly appreciate yours and everyone’s help in trying to solve my problem – it is obviously much more difficult than what I had first anticipated (why is it that ALL my problems seem to be that way???). I have now spent hours upon hours and have been unsuccessful. I have gone through your steps many many times and I must be missing something for I still get a "white box" in the deleted area when I have saved the file. Unless you have any other ideas – I guess I will "throw up my hands" and say that "PS Elements beat me on this one".
"Johan W. Elzenga" wrote in message
Duane Lee wrote:

Rob thanks for your help – I’m half way there.
I have followed your instructions and yes have eliminated the unwanted material. I have saved the file and when I view it I now have a "white" space in the area that had the unwanted material. Can you help me remove
that white area so that I looks like I took a pair of scissors and cut out
the article prior to scanning it?

You cannot save an irregularly shaped image. By definition, every image is a rectangle or a square. The only way you can make it appear as if the image is irregularly shaped, is by having your object in a layer and not having a background, so that anything surrounding the object is transparent. So before you remove the area arounfd the object, change the background layer into a normal layer first. You can do that by double clicking on its icon in the layers palette. You do have to realize that not every file format supports layers and transparency, though. TIFF does support it, JPEG does not, for example.


Johan W. Elzenga johan<<at>>johanfoto.nl Editor / Photographer http://www.johanfoto.com

You could always upload & post a link to the image , some kind sole may help you out πŸ™‚


Rob
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nomail
Jun 14, 2008
Duane Lee wrote:

I certainly appreciate yours and everyone’s help in trying to solve my problem – it is obviously much more difficult than what I had first anticipated (why is it that ALL my problems seem to be that way???). I have now spent hours upon hours and have been unsuccessful. I have gone through your steps many many times and I must be missing something for I still get a "white box" in the deleted area when I have saved the file. Unless you have any other ideas – I guess I will "throw up my hands" and say that "PS Elements beat me on this one".

You have to tackle this step by step.
1. Did you change the background layer into a normal layer before removing the area around the object?
2. If so, do you see transparency (shown as a checkerboard pattern) after you’ve deleted the area?
3. If so, what file format did you use to save the image?


Johan W. Elzenga johan<<at>>johanfoto.nl Editor / Photographer http://www.johanfoto.com
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Duane Lee
Jun 14, 2008
Johan,
Answer to question #1 is "yes", question #2 "yes", question #3 TIFF Thanks for your continued support,
Duane

"Johan W. Elzenga" wrote in message
Duane Lee wrote:

I certainly appreciate yours and everyone’s help in trying to solve my problem – it is obviously much more difficult than what I had first anticipated (why is it that ALL my problems seem to be that way???). I have
now spent hours upon hours and have been unsuccessful. I have gone through
your steps many many times and I must be missing something for I still get a
"white box" in the deleted area when I have saved the file. Unless you have
any other ideas – I guess I will "throw up my hands" and say that "PS Elements beat me on this one".

You have to tackle this step by step.
1. Did you change the background layer into a normal layer before removing the area around the object?
2. If so, do you see transparency (shown as a checkerboard pattern) after you’ve deleted the area?
3. If so, what file format did you use to save the image?


Johan W. Elzenga johan<<at>>johanfoto.nl Editor / Photographer http://www.johanfoto.com
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nomail
Jun 14, 2008
Duane Lee wrote:

"Johan W. Elzenga" wrote in message
Duane Lee wrote:

I certainly appreciate yours and everyone’s help in trying to solve my problem – it is obviously much more difficult than what I had first anticipated (why is it that ALL my problems seem to be that way???). I have
now spent hours upon hours and have been unsuccessful. I have gone through
your steps many many times and I must be missing something for I still get a
"white box" in the deleted area when I have saved the file. Unless you have
any other ideas – I guess I will "throw up my hands" and say that "PS Elements beat me on this one".

You have to tackle this step by step.
1. Did you change the background layer into a normal layer before removing the area around the object?
2. If so, do you see transparency (shown as a checkerboard pattern) after you’ve deleted the area?
3. If so, what file format did you use to save the image?

Johan,
Answer to question #1 is "yes", question #2 "yes", question #3 TIFF Thanks for your continued support,
Duane

Please do not top post. People like to read a question before the answer, not vice versa.

So are you saying that you open that TIFF again and now suddenly the checkerboard pattern has turned to white?


Johan W. Elzenga johan<<at>>johanfoto.nl Editor / Photographer http://www.johanfoto.com
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Roy G
Jun 15, 2008
"Duane Lee" wrote in message
Cropping irregular shapes
Can someone out there help with what I’m sure is a simple task for those who know Photo Shop -obviously, by my asking the question, I do not.
I have a newspaper article that was scanned and then given to me. I want to manipulate in Photo Shop prior to including it in a slide show. The article headline is 5 columns wide. The desired article beneath is 3 columns wide with the other two columns filed with advertisements and other undesirable material. I am wanting to "crop out" or eliminate those adjoining "undesirable" columns. I cannot do it by using the standard cropping tool – at least with my knowledge.
Help, please, I know this should be an easy task for those in the know – unfortunately I am not such a person.

Hi.

The easy way is to use the polygon lasso to select the area you want to keep. Then invert the selection so that everything you want to lose becomes selected, and fill that area with a mid grey colour.

Roy G
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Duane Lee
Jun 15, 2008
Johan,
Yes, that is correct – it is white.
Duane

"Johan W. Elzenga" wrote in message
Duane Lee wrote:

"Johan W. Elzenga" wrote in message
Duane Lee wrote:

I certainly appreciate yours and everyone’s help in trying to solve my problem – it is obviously much more difficult than what I had first anticipated (why is it that ALL my problems seem to be that way???). I
have
now spent hours upon hours and have been unsuccessful. I have gone through
your steps many many times and I must be missing something for I still get a
"white box" in the deleted area when I have saved the file. Unless you
have
any other ideas – I guess I will "throw up my hands" and say that "PS Elements beat me on this one".

You have to tackle this step by step.
1. Did you change the background layer into a normal layer before removing the area around the object?
2. If so, do you see transparency (shown as a checkerboard pattern) after you’ve deleted the area?
3. If so, what file format did you use to save the image?

Johan,
Answer to question #1 is "yes", question #2 "yes", question #3 TIFF Thanks for your continued support,
Duane

Please do not top post. People like to read a question before the answer, not vice versa.

So are you saying that you open that TIFF again and now suddenly the checkerboard pattern has turned to white?


Johan W. Elzenga johan<<at>>johanfoto.nl Editor / Photographer http://www.johanfoto.com
DL
Duane Lee
Jun 15, 2008
Roy,
Thanks for your suggestion, however I am aware of that method (of using a fill color) but I want NO color what so ever – just like you had cut the article out of the newspaper (not a rectangle or square) and then scanned the image.

Duane

"Roy G" wrote in message
"Duane Lee" wrote in message
Cropping irregular shapes
Can someone out there help with what I’m sure is a simple task for those who know Photo Shop -obviously, by my asking the question, I do not.
I have a newspaper article that was scanned and then given to me. I want to manipulate in Photo Shop prior to including it in a slide show. The article headline is 5 columns wide. The desired article beneath is 3 columns wide with the other two columns filed with advertisements and other undesirable material. I am wanting to "crop out" or eliminate those adjoining "undesirable" columns. I cannot do it by using the standard cropping tool – at least with my knowledge.
Help, please, I know this should be an easy task for those in the know – unfortunately I am not such a person.

Hi.

The easy way is to use the polygon lasso to select the area you want to keep. Then invert the selection so that everything you want to lose becomes selected, and fill that area with a mid grey colour.
Roy G

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nesredep egrob
Jun 15, 2008
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Tacit
Jun 15, 2008
In article <GWZ4k.89175$>,
"Duane Lee" wrote:

Thanks for your suggestion, however I am aware of that method (of using a fill color) but I want NO color what so ever – just like you had cut the article out of the newspaper (not a rectangle or square) and then scanned the image.

What does "no color" look like on your screen? If you cut out the article with scissors and scan it, the background will be the same color as the lid of your scanner–usually white.


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DL
Duane Lee
Jun 15, 2008
Tacit,
My project is what I will call a "video scrape book" for which I have chosen a "linen" background. My scanner will scan just the image in a JPEG format. I will then place that image in the project scrap book and it will look as if I have pasted it in a traditional scrap book (with the linen background showing all around". That is my goal – – – it is NOT to have a look of a "white piece of paper stuck to the article"

Thanks,
Duane

"Duane Lee" wrote in message
Roy,
Thanks for your suggestion, however I am aware of that method (of using a fill color) but I want NO color what so ever – just like you had cut the article out of the newspaper (not a rectangle or square) and then scanned the image.

Duane

"Roy G" wrote in message
"Duane Lee" wrote in message
Cropping irregular shapes
Can someone out there help with what I’m sure is a simple task for those who know Photo Shop -obviously, by my asking the question, I do not.
I have a newspaper article that was scanned and then given to me. I want
to manipulate in Photo Shop prior to including it in a slide show. The article headline is 5 columns wide. The desired article beneath is 3 columns wide with the other two columns filed with advertisements and other undesirable material. I am wanting to "crop out" or eliminate those adjoining "undesirable" columns. I cannot do it by using the standard cropping tool – at least with my knowledge.
Help, please, I know this should be an easy task for those in the know – unfortunately I am not such a person.

Hi.

The easy way is to use the polygon lasso to select the area you want to keep. Then invert the selection so that everything you want to lose becomes selected, and fill that area with a mid grey colour.
Roy G
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bazwillrunREMOVE
Jun 15, 2008
"nesredep egrob" <Long. -31,48.21 Lat. 115,47.40> wrote in message
On Sat, 14 Jun 2008 04:30:35 GMT, "Duane Lee" wrote:
Cropping irregular shapes
Can someone out there help with what I’m sure is a simple task for those who know Photo Shop -obviously, by my asking the question, I do not.
I have a newspaper article that was scanned and then given to me. I want to manipulate in Photo Shop prior to including it in a slide show. The article headline is 5 columns wide. The desired article beneath is 3 columns wide with the other two columns filed with advertisements and other undesirable material. I am wanting to "crop out" or eliminate those adjoining "undesirable" columns. I cannot do it by using the standard cropping tool – at least with my knowledge.
Help, please, I know this should be an easy task for those in the know – unfortunately I am not such a person.
I do not have elements but I have experimented with your prob.
Made a new background. In that I have placed a rectangular shape. Using ALT key
I have cut various rectangles from that first rect (Alt key give a subtract).
They of course all have selections around them. Then select/inverse. Using background selector with about 100 pix size you wip around the whole canvas as the selection make sure that you do not cut into your rectangles Deselect and you will have the desired result.
Now apply the same technique with you selections using whatever shape. Use the
tool that serves you best for cutting away.
If you find that you do not have a proper result, reselect and go over the area
which is not yet transparent.

B|rge in sunny Perth, Australia

I dont really understand why all the prolems over this

Make selection/selections
Use Background Eraser Tool to erase background in selected area/areas(checkerboard will show)
Save as .tiff and check "preserve transparency" box

Job done or have i missed something here ?!
D
Dave
Jun 15, 2008
On Sun, 15 Jun 2008 08:04:29 +0100, "Dr. Hackenbush" wrote:

This guy completely ignored Johan when he asked him ‘please’ not to top post. He should be ignored from now on, because he takes out of the writings only what serves him.
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nomail
Jun 15, 2008
Duane Lee wrote:

Johan,
Yes, that is correct – it is white.
Duane

Duane,

Again, PLEASE DO NOT TOP POST. Post your answer UNDERNEATH the question, not above it. Top posting destroyes the flow of the discussion and shows a lack of respect for other readers. I will stop answering you if you continue to top post.

When you save the file as TIFF, make sure that the option ‘Layers’ is checked in the Save dialog. If not, PE will save a flattened copy and fattening destroys the transparency.

Also, be sure you view the file with a program that understands layers and transparency. If you view it with some simple image viewer, you may not see the layers and transparency because the viewer doesn’t support it.


Johan W. Elzenga johan<<at>>johanfoto.nl Editor / Photographer http://www.johanfoto.com
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Talker
Jun 15, 2008
On Sun, 15 Jun 2008 02:28:17 GMT, "Duane Lee" wrote:

Tacit,
My project is what I will call a "video scrape book" for which I have chosen a "linen" background. My scanner will scan just the image in a JPEG format. I will then place that image in the project scrap book and it will look as if I have pasted it in a traditional scrap book (with the linen background showing all around". That is my goal – – – it is NOT to have a look of a "white piece of paper stuck to the article"

Thanks,
Duane
You can’t do it Duane. An image can only be saved as a square or rectangle. If the scanned newspaper article isn’t a square or a rectangle, then you can save it as an irregular shape with a transparent background in Photoshop, but when you place it in the video scrapbook program, it won’t recognize the transparent background and will make fill in the transparent sections with white. If you’re using a linen background, you could use the linen as a background image in PhotoShop and place the newspaper article on top of it, then remove the section that is "white" that you want removed. This will result in the irregular shaped newspaper article with the linen taking up the space of the section that you removed.

Talker
CH
cavelamb himself
Jun 15, 2008
Duane Lee wrote:
Tacit,
My project is what I will call a "video scrape book" for which I have chosen a "linen" background. My scanner will scan just the image in a JPEG format. I will then place that image in the project scrap book and it will look as if I have pasted it in a traditional scrap book (with the linen background showing all around". That is my goal – – – it is NOT to have a look of a "white piece of paper stuck to the article"
Thanks,
Duane

Print it on paper and use scissors to cut it out
DL
Duane Lee
Jun 15, 2008
DL
Duane Lee
Jun 15, 2008
Dr. Hackenbush
I am with you all the up to – – check "preserve transparency" box. When I go to FILE>SAVE AS – I do not have that option available to me. Am I missing it , or is it located somewhere else?
Thanks for your efforts in trying to help,
Duane

"Dr. Hackenbush" wrote in message
"nesredep egrob" <Long. -31,48.21 Lat. 115,47.40> wrote in message
On Sat, 14 Jun 2008 04:30:35 GMT, "Duane Lee" wrote:
Cropping irregular shapes
Can someone out there help with what I’m sure is a simple task for those who know Photo Shop -obviously, by my asking the question, I do not.
I have a newspaper article that was scanned and then given to me. I want to manipulate in Photo Shop prior to including it in a slide show. The article headline is 5 columns wide. The desired article beneath is 3 columns wide with the other two columns filed with advertisements and other undesirable material. I am wanting to "crop out" or eliminate those adjoining "undesirable" columns. I cannot do it by using the standard cropping tool – at least with my knowledge.
Help, please, I know this should be an easy task for those in the know – unfortunately I am not such a person.
I do not have elements but I have experimented with your prob.
Made a new background. In that I have placed a rectangular shape. Using ALT key
I have cut various rectangles from that first rect (Alt key give a subtract).
They of course all have selections around them. Then select/inverse. Using background selector with about 100 pix size you wip around the whole
canvas as the selection make sure that you do not cut into your rectangles
Deselect and you will have the desired result.
Now apply the same technique with you selections using whatever shape. Use the
tool that serves you best for cutting away.
If you find that you do not have a proper result, reselect and go over the area
which is not yet transparent.

B|rge in sunny Perth, Australia

I dont really understand why all the prolems over this

Make selection/selections
Use Background Eraser Tool to erase background in selected area/areas(checkerboard will show)
Save as .tiff and check "preserve transparency" box
Job done or have i missed something here ?!

DL
Duane Lee
Jun 15, 2008
"Dave" wrote in message
On Sun, 15 Jun 2008 08:04:29 +0100, "Dr. Hackenbush" wrote:

This guy completely ignored Johan when he asked him ‘please’ not to top post. He should be ignored from now on, because he takes out of the writings only what serves him.

Dave – please accept my sincere apologies. . .
I thought it was quite obvious that I’m a real beginner. I’m sorry to say that "try as everyone has" I have not been able to solve my problem. However, I have learned a number of things from this forum.

#1. What "top posting" is – and I’m working on how to correct it. You see, because I’m a beginner, I didn’t even know what top posting was, much less – how to correct it. I’m now trying to work on it. I have learned that from this forum – I am grateful and will make sure to use it from here on out.

#2 The second thing that I have learned from the forum is that there are wonderful people from all over the world who obviously enjoy helping others and give of their valuable time and talents. This post is full of such people and I’m truly grateful to all of them.

#3 In a group there is always one that "stands out" – in this group that person – is you – Dave. Please look at all the postings once again- EVERYONE has tried to help – EXCEPT YOU, DAVE. Obviously, you are different from the rest of this group – you seem to receive your pleasure from berating others – rather than helping. You have made it very clear of the fact that you lack empathy (quite possibly intelligence, as well ). I know that you never thought to ask, "do you know that you are "top posting" and then try to offer something positive and constructive enabling me to correct it..

I never finished my sentence at the top, please allow me to do that – – – Dave- please accept my sincere apologies. . .I sorry for the way you are, looking for the negatives in life, receiving your enjoyment out of berating others rather than helping. I hope that someday you will be able to overcome this personality deficiency.
DL
Duane Lee
Jun 15, 2008
"Dr. Hackenbush" wrote in message
"nesredep egrob" <Long. -31,48.21 Lat. 115,47.40> wrote in message
On Sat, 14 Jun 2008 04:30:35 GMT, "Duane Lee" wrote:
Cropping irregular shapes
Can someone out there help with what I’m sure is a simple task for those who know Photo Shop -obviously, by my asking the question, I do not.
I have a newspaper article that was scanned and then given to me. I want to manipulate in Photo Shop prior to including it in a slide show. The article headline is 5 columns wide. The desired article beneath is 3 columns wide with the other two columns filed with advertisements and other undesirable material. I am wanting to "crop out" or eliminate those adjoining "undesirable" columns. I cannot do it by using the standard cropping tool – at least with my knowledge.
Help, please, I know this should be an easy task for those in the know – unfortunately I am not such a person.
I do not have elements but I have experimented with your prob.
Made a new background. In that I have placed a rectangular shape. Using ALT key
I have cut various rectangles from that first rect (Alt key give a subtract).
They of course all have selections around them. Then select/inverse. Using background selector with about 100 pix size you wip around the whole
canvas as the selection make sure that you do not cut into your rectangles
Deselect and you will have the desired result.
Now apply the same technique with you selections using whatever shape. Use the
tool that serves you best for cutting away.
If you find that you do not have a proper result, reselect and go over the area
which is not yet transparent.

B|rge in sunny Perth, Australia

I dont really understand why all the prolems over this

Make selection/selections
Use Background Eraser Tool to erase background in selected area/areas(checkerboard will show)
Save as .tiff and check "preserve transparency" box
Job done or have i missed something here ?!

Dr. Hackenbush
I am with you all the up to – – check "preserve transparency" box. When I go to FILE>SAVE AS – I do not have that option available to me. Am I missing it , or is it located somewhere else?
Thanks for your efforts in trying to help,
Duane

DL
Duane Lee
Jun 15, 2008
"Talker" wrote in message
On Sun, 15 Jun 2008 02:28:17 GMT, "Duane Lee" wrote:

Tacit,
My project is what I will call a "video scrape book" for which I have chosen
a "linen" background. My scanner will scan just the image in a JPEG format.
I will then place that image in the project scrap book and it will look as if I have pasted it in a traditional scrap book (with the linen background showing all around". That is my goal – – – it is NOT to have a look of a "white piece of paper stuck to the article"

Thanks,
Duane
You can’t do it Duane. An image can only be saved as a square or rectangle. If the scanned newspaper article isn’t a square or a rectangle, then you can save it as an irregular shape with a transparent background in Photoshop, but when you place it in the video scrapbook program, it won’t recognize the transparent background and will make fill in the transparent sections with white. If you’re using a linen background, you could use the linen as a background image in PhotoShop and place the newspaper article on top of it, then remove the section that is "white" that you want removed. This will result in the irregular shaped newspaper article with the linen taking up the space of the section that you removed.
Talker

Thanks Talker – it appears that is the best answer.
Duane
GE
Gary Edstrom
Jun 15, 2008
I have been flamed when I top post and I have been flamed when I bottom post. So here is an opportunity for both sides to flame me.

Gary

On Sun, 15 Jun 2008 09:17:28 +0200, Dave wrote:

On Sun, 15 Jun 2008 08:04:29 +0100, "Dr. Hackenbush" wrote:

This guy completely ignored Johan when he asked him ‘please’ not to top post. He should be ignored from now on, because he takes out of the writings only what serves him.

I have been flamed when I top post and I have been flamed when I bottom post. So here is an opportunity for both sides to flame me.

Gary
D
Dave
Jun 15, 2008
On Sun, 15 Jun 2008 13:40:33 GMT, "Duane Lee"
#3 In a group there is always one that "stands out" – in this group that person – is you – Dave. Please look at all the postings once again- EVERYONE has tried to help – EXCEPT YOU, DAVE. Obviously, you are different from the rest of this group – you seem to receive your pleasure from berating others – rather than helping. You have made it very clear of the fact that you lack empathy (quite possibly intelligence, as well ). I know that you never thought to ask, "do you know that you are "top posting" and then try to offer something positive and constructive enabling me to correct it..

At first I considered ignoring this idiots letter.
Then I realized, dumb as he is, he admit being a newbie. He would not understand, but maybe one or another kind soul on this newsgroup will be friendly enough to explain to the idiot that he cross posted this question, and I was the very fist one to answer him with a way how to do it. After I answered him, came in many more answers, which was very obvious more help full than mine, *which he did not do the effort to respond to!

My answer*S to him (yes 2 of them!)was yesterday 1:43pm 1:47pm.

Duane, you did not even deserved this reply, because you are an idiot. But let me explain something else as well; because English is not my home language, I sometimes answer people direct, often to find it was the wrong address, and most of the times I wait for someone else to reply. Many times, I do not know the answer, because I am self-taught BUT with reasonable experience.

Who was the first AND the second to reply on your question at comp.graphics.apps.photoshop?
D
Dave
Jun 15, 2008
On Sun, 15 Jun 2008 16:28:27 +0200, Dave wrote:

On Sun, 15 Jun 2008 13:40:33 GMT, "Duane Lee"
#3 In a group there is always one that "stands out" – in this group that person – is you – Dave. Please look at all the postings once again- EVERYONE has tried to help – EXCEPT YOU, DAVE. Obviously, you are different from the rest of this group – you seem to receive your pleasure from berating others – rather than helping. You have made it very clear of the fact that you lack empathy (quite possibly intelligence, as well ). I know that you never thought to ask, "do you know that you are "top posting" and then try to offer something positive and constructive enabling me to correct it..

At first I considered ignoring this idiots letter.
Then I realized, dumb as he is, he admit being a newbie. He would not understand, but maybe one or another kind soul on this newsgroup will be friendly enough to explain to the idiot that he cross posted this question, and I was the very fist one to answer him with a way how to do it. After I answered him, came in many more answers, which was very obvious more help full than mine, *which he did not do the effort to respond to!

My answer*S to him (yes 2 of them!)was yesterday 1:43pm 1:47pm.
Duane, you did not even deserved this reply, because you are an idiot. But let me explain something else as well; because English is not my home language, I sometimes answer people direct, often to find it was the wrong address, and most of the times I wait for someone else to reply. Many times, I do not know the answer, because I am self-taught BUT with reasonable experience.

Who was the first AND the second to reply on your question at comp.graphics.apps.photoshop?

Only now I see I wrote a third letter to him
and I am quoting his teply to me:

Dave thanks for your help – I’m half way there.
I have followed your instructions and yes have eliminated the unwanted material. I have saved the file and when I view it I now have a "white" space in the area that had the unwanted material. Can you help me remove that white area so that I looks like I took a pair of scissors and cut out the article prior to scanning it?
Thanks,
Duane

It is a pleasure Duane.
I do not have Elements installedl, but are using CS3.
Do you have the Background Eraser Tool on Elements?
If yes, that is what to use.

*Can you guys believe him saying, after all this:
EVERYONE has tried to help – EXCEPT YOU, DAVE. Obviously, you are different from the rest of this group
J
jaSPAMc
Jun 15, 2008
"RobertJM" found these unused words:

"Johan W. Elzenga" wrote in message
Duane Lee wrote:

Rob thanks for your help – I’m half way there.
I have followed your instructions and yes have eliminated the unwanted material. I have saved the file and when I view it I now have a "white" space in the area that had the unwanted material. Can you help me remove that white area so that I looks like I took a pair of scissors and cut out
the article prior to scanning it?

You cannot save an irregularly shaped image. By definition, every image is a rectangle or a square. The only way you can make it appear as if the image is irregularly shaped, is by having your object in a layer and not having a background, so that anything surrounding the object is transparent. So before you remove the area arounfd the object, change the background layer into a normal layer first. You can do that by double clicking on its icon in the layers palette. You do have to realize that not every file format supports layers and transparency, though. TIFF does support it, JPEG does not, for example.


Johan W. Elzenga johan<<at>>johanfoto.nl Editor / Photographer http://www.johanfoto.com

When you say you want to use it in a slideshow, is that the old fashioned style or
as on your PC? Don’t know how/if transparent background would work on the old style.

It would be … wait for it … WHITE!

You could make a slightly bigger all , say black , image, paste your scan on to it as another
layer then, with your scan layer selected, delete the white bits again, or erase the edges roughly
for a cut out look.

That’s the hard way … simply reverse the foreground and background colours before deleting. Then the deleted area turns ‘black’.

PS If this all sounds amateurish , it’s because I am πŸ˜‰
J
jaSPAMc
Jun 15, 2008
(Johan W. Elzenga) found these unused words:

Again, PLEASE DO NOT TOP POST. Post your answer UNDERNEATH the question, not above it. Top posting destroyes the flow of the discussion and shows a lack of respect for other readers. I will stop answering you if you continue to top post.
Little temper tantrum, swinging your purse and stamping your patent leather shoesies ???

TAFFLOVSP, baby !!!
J
jaSPAMc
Jun 15, 2008
It has to be a file format thas accepts transparency states.

In any case, it’s futile, as on a slide show the ‘transparent’ areas would default to either BLACK or WHITE. Black on computer most likely, but WHITE on a projector!

"Duane Lee" found these unused words:

Dr. Hackenbush,
I’m with you all the way – up to "check preserve transparency box". I don’t have that option available to me after going to File>Save AS. Am I missing it or is it located somewhere else?
Thanks for your help,
Duane

"nesredep egrob" <Long. -31,48.21 Lat. 115,47.40> wrote in message
On Sat, 14 Jun 2008 04:30:35 GMT, "Duane Lee" wrote:
Cropping irregular shapes
Can someone out there help with what I’m sure is a simple task for those who know Photo Shop -obviously, by my asking the question, I do not.
I have a newspaper article that was scanned and then given to me. I want to manipulate in Photo Shop prior to including it in a slide show. The article headline is 5 columns wide. The desired article beneath is 3 columns wide with the other two columns filed with advertisements and other undesirable material. I am wanting to "crop out" or eliminate those adjoining "undesirable" columns. I cannot do it by using the standard cropping tool – at least with my knowledge.
Help, please, I know this should be an easy task for those in the know – unfortunately I am not such a person.
I do not have elements but I have experimented with your prob.
Made a new background. In that I have placed a rectangular shape. Using ALT key
I have cut various rectangles from that first rect (Alt key give a subtract).
They of course all have selections around them. Then select/inverse. Using background selector with about 100 pix size you wip around the whole canvas as the selection make sure that you do not cut into your rectangles Deselect and you will have the desired result.
Now apply the same technique with you selections using whatever shape. Use the
tool that serves you best for cutting away.
If you find that you do not have a proper result, reselect and go over the area
which is not yet transparent.

B|rge in sunny Perth, Australia
K
keepout
Jun 15, 2008
On Sun, 15 Jun 2008 01:06:46 GMT, "Duane Lee" wrote:

Roy,
Thanks for your suggestion, however I am aware of that method (of using a fill color) but I want NO color what so ever – just like you had cut the article out of the newspaper (not a rectangle or square) and then scanned the image.

I don’t know why everyone’s beating around the bush on this one. If you want a generic file format with transparencies. GIF is the ONLY choice. TIFF, PSD, etc.. are program specific file formats.

So after converting your image to Indexed Color [assuming your using PS.] select Image -> mode -> indexed color <—– GIF file format. do the selection with the marquee, or quick selection tool of areas you want to remove. Use CTRL – Z, invert, if you delete the wrong area. Then delete again. Background should be a checkerboard if you have transparencies turned on.

Then save for web preserving transparency. up to 256 colors. —
more pix @ http://members.toast.net/cbminfo/index.html
K
keepout
Jun 15, 2008
On Sun, 15 Jun 2008 02:28:17 GMT, "Duane Lee" wrote:

Tacit,
My project is what I will call a "video scrape book" for which I have chosen a "linen" background. My scanner will scan just the image in a JPEG format. I will then place that image in the project scrap book and it will look as if I have pasted it in a traditional scrap book (with the linen background showing all around". That is my goal – – – it is NOT to have a look of a "white piece of paper stuck to the article"

Aha.. Make a background image or better make a swatch you can paint of the linen background. Then on each image you want to make with that background, just paint the swatch with the paint bucket tool on the background layer. Then use other layers for the image and any masking to remove areas…

Like I do in my actions area. I make several types of images weekly. 1 a button, paste the image I want in the button area., and 2 a wallpaper with ruler layout. You can see the buttons on the link to my website below.

What you need to do is make a template of the linen background. sized to the size of the image you normally use, save it somewhere as a PSD, after years I created a folder of PSD’s and named it PS. Saves on hunting when I need something JUST for PS.
Your template might vary, but I’d go and open a standard image, paste the linen background on the layer. Add any rulers for absolute positioning of your scrapbook images. Create a blank layer labeled scrapbook. Then save the template as scrapbook to your PSD folder.
And you can change the linen background as necessary or make other templates. Why tie yourself down..

Then in your actions, create an action to LOAD your linen background whenever you want to make a scrap book image.
then just paste what you want in the template, and make all the scrapbooks you want with the template.

Thanks,
Duane

"Duane Lee" wrote in message
Roy,
Thanks for your suggestion, however I am aware of that method (of using a fill color) but I want NO color what so ever – just like you had cut the article out of the newspaper (not a rectangle or square) and then scanned the image.

Duane

"Roy G" wrote in message
"Duane Lee" wrote in message
Cropping irregular shapes
Can someone out there help with what I’m sure is a simple task for those who know Photo Shop -obviously, by my asking the question, I do not.
I have a newspaper article that was scanned and then given to me. I want
to manipulate in Photo Shop prior to including it in a slide show. The article headline is 5 columns wide. The desired article beneath is 3 columns wide with the other two columns filed with advertisements and other undesirable material. I am wanting to "crop out" or eliminate those adjoining "undesirable" columns. I cannot do it by using the standard cropping tool – at least with my knowledge.
Help, please, I know this should be an easy task for those in the know – unfortunately I am not such a person.

Hi.

The easy way is to use the polygon lasso to select the area you want to keep. Then invert the selection so that everything you want to lose becomes selected, and fill that area with a mid grey colour.
Roy G

more pix @ http://members.toast.net/cbminfo/index.html
K
keepout
Jun 15, 2008
On Sun, 15 Jun 2008 02:28:17 GMT, "Duane Lee" wrote:

Tacit,
My project is what I will call a "video scrape book" for which I have chosen a "linen" background. My scanner will scan just the image in a JPEG format. I will then place that image in the project scrap book and it will look as if I have pasted it in a traditional scrap book (with the linen background showing all around". That is my goal – – – it is NOT to have a look of a "white piece of paper stuck to the article"
http://wind.prohosting.com/~cbminfo/
I made this ‘irregular shaped button ages ago’ the feedback button with Michelle Williams chomping down on a green apple.
Which just goes to show it may be square, but if you’re just looking at it there’s no way you can tell it’s square. I don’t think there’s a corner anywhere in the image.
FWIW: There’s probably 6 or 7 layers to that button. And it’s in JPG format. I don’t care for corners either.

more pix @ http://members.toast.net/cbminfo/index.html
D
Dave
Jun 15, 2008
At first I considered ignoring this idiots letter.
Then I realized, dumb as he is, he admit being a newbie. He would not understand, but maybe one or another kind soul on this newsgroup will be friendly enough to explain to the idiot that he cross posted this question, and I was the very fist one to answer him with a way how to do it. After I answered him, came in many more answers, which was very obvious more help full than mine, *which he did not do the effort to respond to!

My answer*S to him (yes 2 of them!)was yesterday 1:43pm 1:47pm.
Duane, you did not even deserved this reply, because you are an idiot. But let me explain something else as well; because English is not my home language, I sometimes answer people direct, often to find it was the wrong address, and most of the times I wait for someone else to reply. Many times, I do not know the answer, because I am self-taught BUT with reasonable experience.

Who was the first AND the second to reply on your question at comp.graphics.apps.photoshop?

Only now I see I wrote a third letter to him
and I am quoting his teply to me:

Dave thanks for your help – I’m half way there.
I have followed your instructions and yes have eliminated the unwanted material. I have saved the file and when I view it I now have a "white" space in the area that had the unwanted material. Can you help me remove that white area so that I looks like I took a pair of scissors and cut out the article prior to scanning it?
Thanks,
Duane

It is a pleasure Duane.
I do not have Elements installedl, but are using CS3.
Do you have the Background Eraser Tool on Elements?
If yes, that is what to use.

*Can you guys believe him saying, after all this:
EVERYONE has tried to help – EXCEPT YOU, DAVE. Obviously, you are different from the rest of this group

Come ‘on you twat. Do not sit in a corner not knowing what to say. Defend yourself. You are a worthless clown twithout the guts to answer.
R
RobertJM
Jun 15, 2008
"Duane Lee" wrote in message
Dr. Hackenbush,
I’m with you all the way – up to "check preserve transparency box". I don’t have that option available to me after going to File>Save AS. Am I missing it or is it located somewhere else?
Thanks for your help,
Duane

Have a look at this and see if it helps, you need to save it as GIF or TIFF there may be others, dunno.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KB-h9eOfZFs


Rob
K
keepout
Jun 15, 2008
On Sun, 15 Jun 2008 12:59:22 GMT, "Duane Lee" wrote:

Dr. Hackenbush
I am with you all the up to – – check "preserve transparency" box. When I go to FILE>SAVE AS – I do not have that option available to me. Am I missing it , or is it located somewhere else?
Thanks for your efforts in trying to help,
Duane
Just so we’re on the same page.
I used elements 6.
And like it says some programs don’t support transparency. So my previous post on a template with a linen background would be the best choice.

But if you still need a transparency with elements 6, in tiff format. look at the image thumbnail to the right. If it’s got a padlock, smack the thumb to get the rename option and rename the background to the default or whatever you want.
select the area you want to erase to a transparent background. hit delete. save as tiff, then check the preserve transparency block. And it’ll tell you you’re spinning your wheels.

"Dr. Hackenbush" wrote in message
"nesredep egrob" <Long. -31,48.21 Lat. 115,47.40> wrote in message
On Sat, 14 Jun 2008 04:30:35 GMT, "Duane Lee" wrote:
Cropping irregular shapes
Can someone out there help with what I’m sure is a simple task for those who know Photo Shop -obviously, by my asking the question, I do not.
I have a newspaper article that was scanned and then given to me. I want to manipulate in Photo Shop prior to including it in a slide show. The article headline is 5 columns wide. The desired article beneath is 3 columns wide with the other two columns filed with advertisements and other undesirable material. I am wanting to "crop out" or eliminate those adjoining "undesirable" columns. I cannot do it by using the standard cropping tool – at least with my knowledge.
Help, please, I know this should be an easy task for those in the know – unfortunately I am not such a person.
I do not have elements but I have experimented with your prob.
Made a new background. In that I have placed a rectangular shape. Using ALT key
I have cut various rectangles from that first rect (Alt key give a subtract).
They of course all have selections around them. Then select/inverse. Using background selector with about 100 pix size you wip around the whole
canvas as the selection make sure that you do not cut into your rectangles
Deselect and you will have the desired result.
Now apply the same technique with you selections using whatever shape. Use the
tool that serves you best for cutting away.
If you find that you do not have a proper result, reselect and go over the area
which is not yet transparent.

B|rge in sunny Perth, Australia

I dont really understand why all the prolems over this

Make selection/selections
Use Background Eraser Tool to erase background in selected area/areas(checkerboard will show)
Save as .tiff and check "preserve transparency" box
Job done or have i missed something here ?!

more pix @ http://members.toast.net/cbminfo/index.html
O
OM
Jun 15, 2008
On Sun, 15 Jun 2008 13:40:33 GMT, "Duane Lee" wrote:

#3 In a group there is always one that "stands out"

….Duane, I’ve been on usenet since 1986. You’ll always find basement dwelling dipshits like Dave and "Artist" Mike who hide behind their modems and throw their weight around and act like asswipes because they don’t have to face you directly. Those are the egotistical bastards – we used to call them "net.gods" – that you simply killfile and let them rot in their own bile. Even if they happen to know the answer to a question, it’s not worth putting up with their bullshit to accept their "help".

Either way, just send them to Killfile Hell. There’s obviously more people around here who’re more considerate that have helped you, so don’t waste your time on these two schmucks. They’re probably just too frustrated at having been willingly molested as children, and embarassed at not having charged more than a couple of Tootsie-Pops for their services to whichever uncle they slept with…

OM

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] OMBlog – http://www.io.com/~o_m/omworld [
] Let’s face it: Sometimes you *need* [
] an obnoxious opinion in your day! [
]=====================================[
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Mike
Jun 15, 2008
On Sun, 15 Jun 2008 11:20:37 -0700, OM wrote
(in article ):

They’re probably just too
frustrated at having been willingly molested as children, and embarassed at not having charged more than a couple of Tootsie-Pops for their services to whichever uncle they slept with…

The above is much more info about you, than anyone else.

Mike

Site at: http://www.artistmike.com
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Mike
Jun 15, 2008
On Sun, 15 Jun 2008 06:40:33 -0700, Duane Lee wrote
(in article <lZ85k.46906$>):

I sorry for the way you are…

Try getting over it, and just moving on. Don’t be such a cry baby.

Mike

Site at: http://www.artistmike.com
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bazwillrunREMOVE
Jun 15, 2008
"OM" wrote in message
On Sun, 15 Jun 2008 13:40:33 GMT, "Duane Lee" wrote:

#3 In a group there is always one that "stands out"

…Duane, I’ve been on usenet since 1986. You’ll always find basement dwelling dipshits like Dave and "Artist" Mike who hide behind their modems and throw their weight around and act like asswipes because they don’t have to face you directly. Those are the egotistical bastards – we used to call them "net.gods" – that you simply killfile and let them rot in their own bile. Even if they happen to know the answer to a question, it’s not worth putting up with their bullshit to accept their "help".

Either way, just send them to Killfile Hell. There’s obviously more people around here who’re more considerate that have helped you, so don’t waste your time on these two schmucks. They’re probably just too frustrated at having been willingly molested as children, and embarassed at not having charged more than a couple of Tootsie-Pops for their services to whichever uncle they slept with…
OM

]=====================================[
] OMBlog – http://www.io.com/~o_m/omworld [
] Let’s face it: Sometimes you *need* [
] an obnoxious opinion in your day! [
]=====================================[

Spot on

the reason the net is so full of them is cos in real life theyd get slapped down so fast, but on here they hide behind their keyboards and act out their little hard man fantasies that they darent do face to face

sad liitle tossers with big chips on their shoulders and massive inferiority complexes
J
jaSPAMc
Jun 15, 2008
found these unused words:

On Sun, 15 Jun 2008 01:06:46 GMT, "Duane Lee" wrote:
Roy,
Thanks for your suggestion, however I am aware of that method (of using a fill color) but I want NO color what so ever – just like you had cut the article out of the newspaper (not a rectangle or square) and then scanned the image.

I don’t know why everyone’s beating around the bush on this one. If you want a generic file format with transparencies. GIF is the ONLY choice. TIFF, PSD, etc.. are program specific file formats.
The problem is that he’s aiming for a ‘slide show’, either computer or projector. One will FILL with black the other with WHITE.

He mighas well acknowledge that images are rectangular and if he doesn’t have information in part of the rectange, then the device will FILL IN something in the remainder.

The ‘FILL’ might as well be of -=his=- choice, but then … ?

It’s called ‘practicality’ and ‘working WITH the technology’!

PNG also is ‘generic’ and has transparency.
MR
Mike Russell
Jun 15, 2008
On Sun, 15 Jun 2008 20:11:04 +0100, Dr. Hackenbush wrote:
[re netbullies]
sad liitle tossers with big chips on their shoulders and massive inferiority complexes

I dislike the bullying, but would probably stop short of saying that the bullies are particularly bad or even weak people.

In real life net bullies are ordinary people. They are ordinary people, perhaps with ordinary frustrations to deal with, who use usenet to let off steam without any consequences. Road rage, and poor treatment of service people – waitresses, store clerks, etc are other examples.

The main thing to do is ignore it, whether by kill-filing or using a well-worn rhino hide. Use the bullies for a little discreet practice if you like – I do – but don’t let them ruin your question, or put you off stride. When playing with net bullies, keep your temper, give them their due, and add a little humor if possible.

Mike Russell – http://www.curvemeister.com
DL
Duane Lee
Jun 15, 2008
"Johan W. Elzenga" wrote in message
Duane Lee wrote:

Johan,
Yes, that is correct – it is white.
Duane

Duane,

Again, PLEASE DO NOT TOP POST. Post your answer UNDERNEATH the question, not above it. Top posting destroyes the flow of the discussion and shows a lack of respect for other readers. I will stop answering you if you continue to top post.

When you save the file as TIFF, make sure that the option ‘Layers’ is checked in the Save dialog. If not, PE will save a flattened copy and fattening destroys the transparency.

Also, be sure you view the file with a program that understands layers and transparency. If you view it with some simple image viewer, you may not see the layers and transparency because the viewer doesn’t support it.


Johan W. Elzenga johan<<at>>johanfoto.nl Editor / Photographer http://www.johanfoto.com

Johan,
I realize that it may be a little late now, but until you brought it to my attention I didn’t even know what top posting was let alone how to correct it. I do now and thanks for bringing it to my attention and thanks so much for all you efforts in trying to solve my problem. I viewed you web site and was certainly impressed. This, obviously, became much more involved than what I had initially anticipated.
RobertJM gave me the answer in his post:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KB-h9eOfZFs
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Duane Lee
Jun 15, 2008
"RobertJM" wrote in message
"Duane Lee" wrote in message
Dr. Hackenbush,
I’m with you all the way – up to "check preserve transparency box". I don’t have that option available to me after going to File>Save AS. Am I missing it or is it located somewhere else?
Thanks for your help,
Duane

Have a look at this and see if it helps, you need to save it as GIF or TIFF there may be others, dunno.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KB-h9eOfZFs


Rob
Rob – You WIN THE PRIZE (I wish I had one to give). I am sure that you can tell that this became waaaay more than what I had originally anticipated. Many people spent a lot of time trying to help me on this – and I am certainly appreciative. The link you supplied me with is the exact answer I’ve been looking for. – – – and I’ve learned to "bottom post" as well! Thanks for your help,
Duane
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nesredep egrob
Jun 15, 2008
On Sun, 15 Jun 2008 13:42:40 GMT, "Duane Lee" wrote:

"Dr. Hackenbush" wrote in message
"nesredep egrob" <Long. -31,48.21 Lat. 115,47.40> wrote in message
On Sat, 14 Jun 2008 04:30:35 GMT, "Duane Lee" wrote:
Cropping irregular shapes
Can someone out there help with what I’m sure is a simple task for those who know Photo Shop -obviously, by my asking the question, I do not.
I have a newspaper article that was scanned and then given to me. I want to manipulate in Photo Shop prior to including it in a slide show. The article headline is 5 columns wide. The desired article beneath is 3 columns wide with the other two columns filed with advertisements and other undesirable material. I am wanting to "crop out" or eliminate those adjoining "undesirable" columns. I cannot do it by using the standard cropping tool – at least with my knowledge.
Help, please, I know this should be an easy task for those in the know – unfortunately I am not such a person.
I do not have elements but I have experimented with your prob.
Made a new background. In that I have placed a rectangular shape. Using ALT key
I have cut various rectangles from that first rect (Alt key give a subtract).
They of course all have selections around them. Then select/inverse. Using background selector with about 100 pix size you wip around the whole
canvas as the selection make sure that you do not cut into your rectangles
Deselect and you will have the desired result.
Now apply the same technique with you selections using whatever shape. Use the
tool that serves you best for cutting away.
If you find that you do not have a proper result, reselect and go over the area
which is not yet transparent.

B|rge in sunny Perth, Australia

I dont really understand why all the prolems over this

Make selection/selections
Use Background Eraser Tool to erase background in selected area/areas(checkerboard will show)
Save as .tiff and check "preserve transparency" box
Job done or have i missed something here ?!

Dr. Hackenbush
I am with you all the up to – – check "preserve transparency" box. When I go to FILE>SAVE AS – I do not have that option available to me. Am I missing it , or is it located somewhere else?
Thanks for your efforts in trying to help,
Duane
I do not have Element and do not know your capability, could it be that nobody has told you to FLATTEN the Image before saving
BΓΈrge in sunny Perth, Australia
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keepout
Jun 16, 2008
On Sun, 15 Jun 2008 13:03:13 -0700, Sir F. A. Rien
wrote:

I don’t know why everyone’s beating around the bush on this one. If you want a generic file format with transparencies. GIF is the ONLY choice. TIFF, PSD, etc.. are program specific file formats.
The problem is that he’s aiming for a ‘slide show’, either computer or projector. One will FILL with black the other with WHITE.
something you’re out of the loop on. You CAN save with blank holes that are neither black or white with GIF. And PNG. but PNG is also program specific. Not everything supports PNG. But you can bet 90% support JPG and GIF.

PNG also is ‘generic’ and has transparency.

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Mike
Jun 16, 2008
On Sun, 15 Jun 2008 12:11:04 -0700, Dr. Hackenbush wrote (in article <0012e506$0$24202$>):

the reason the net is so full of them is cos in real life theyd get slapped down so fast

Wanna-be tough guys like you hide behind your keyboards and act tough.

I laugh at you.

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Mike
Jun 16, 2008
On Sun, 15 Jun 2008 14:23:05 -0700, Mike Russell wrote
(in article ):

On Sun, 15 Jun 2008 20:11:04 +0100, Dr. Hackenbush wrote:
[re netbullies]
sad liitle tossers with big chips on their shoulders and massive inferiority
complexes

I dislike the bullying, but would probably stop short of saying that the bullies are particularly bad or even weak people.

In real life net bullies are ordinary people. They are ordinary people, perhaps with ordinary frustrations to deal with, who use usenet to let off steam without any consequences. Road rage, and poor treatment of service people – waitresses, store clerks, etc are other examples.
The main thing to do is ignore it, whether by kill-filing or using a well-worn rhino hide. Use the bullies for a little discreet practice if you like – I do – but don’t let them ruin your question, or put you off stride. When playing with net bullies, keep your temper, give them their due, and add a little humor if possible.

That is what I do, when I play with wanna-be net-cops.

":^)

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RobertJM
Jun 16, 2008
"Duane Lee" wrote in message
"RobertJM" wrote in message
"Duane Lee" wrote in message
Dr. Hackenbush,
I’m with you all the way – up to "check preserve transparency box". I don’t have that option available to me after going to File>Save AS. Am I missing it or is it located somewhere else?
Thanks for your help,
Duane

Have a look at this and see if it helps, you need to save it as GIF or TIFF there may be others, dunno.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KB-h9eOfZFs


Rob
Rob – You WIN THE PRIZE (I wish I had one to give). I am sure that you can tell that this became waaaay more than what I had originally anticipated. Many people spent a lot of time trying to help me on this – and I am certainly appreciative. The link you supplied me with is the exact answer I’ve been looking for. – – – and I’ve learned to "bottom post" as well!
Thanks for your help,
Duane

No problem , sometimes better to see something done , if your fairly new to it (as I am).


Rob
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Buck Nekkid
Jun 16, 2008
On Sun, 15 Jun 2008 18:25:54 GMT, ArtistMike
wrote:

On Sun, 15 Jun 2008 11:20:37 -0700, OM wrote
(in article ):

They’re probably just too
frustrated at having been willingly molested as children, and embarassed at not having charged more than a couple of Tootsie-Pops for their services to whichever uncle they slept with…

The above is much more info about you, than anyone else.

shut the hell up and go away.
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jaSPAMc
Jun 16, 2008
found these unused words:

On Sun, 15 Jun 2008 13:03:13 -0700, Sir F. A. Rien
wrote:

I don’t know why everyone’s beating around the bush on this one. If you want a generic file format with transparencies. GIF is the ONLY choice. TIFF, PSD, etc.. are program specific file formats.
The problem is that he’s aiming for a ‘slide show’, either computer or projector. One will FILL with black the other with WHITE.

something you’re out of the loop on. You CAN save with blank holes that are neither black or white with GIF. And PNG. but PNG is also program specific. Not everything supports PNG. But you can bet 90% support JPG and GIF.

No bloody likely mate!

You can save GIF and PNG with ‘blank holes", but after you learn to read you might comprehend … I said that the COMPUTER or PROJECTOR will ‘fill in’ those holes with either black or white when displayed in a ‘slide show’ format!

SOMETHING has to ‘fill’ the screen [image] rectangle area !!!

PNG also is ‘generic’ and has transparency.

It’s as ‘program specific’ as GIF !!! Some viewers do not support GIF89
[transparency] !

CFI !
K
keepout
Jun 16, 2008
On Mon, 16 Jun 2008 08:10:32 -0700, Sir F. A. Rien
wrote:

PNG also is ‘generic’ and has transparency.

It’s as ‘program specific’ as GIF !!! Some viewers do not support GIF89
[transparency] !

And those viewers aren’t making any money. their advertising budget is limited to word of mouth or worse.

Why not just throw jpeg2000 into this war. It supports transparencies. But try and find an editor or viewer that even knows what the format is.

GIF & JPG are OLD standards that haven’t been replaced. they’re as valid and accepted today as when they 1st came out.
Anything other than these 2 formats may require extra plugins to view or edit. Any viewer or editor has these 2 formats built in.
You’re spinning your wheels attempting to use any format other than these two, if you intend on distributing the images.

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jaSPAMc
Jun 17, 2008
found these unused words:

On Mon, 16 Jun 2008 08:10:32 -0700, Sir F. A. Rien
wrote:

PNG also is ‘generic’ and has transparency.

It’s as ‘program specific’ as GIF !!! Some viewers do not support GIF89
[transparency] !

And those viewers aren’t making any money. their advertising budget is limited to word of mouth or worse.

Why not just throw jpeg2000 into this war. It supports transparencies. But try and find an editor or viewer that even knows what the format is.
GIF & JPG are OLD standards that haven’t been replaced. they’re as valid and accepted today as when they 1st came out.
Anything other than these 2 formats may require extra plugins to view or edit. Any viewer or editor has these 2 formats built in.
You’re spinning your wheels attempting to use any format other than these two, if you intend on distributing the images.

Again, you don’t seem to be able to comprehend the posts !!!

I, personally, don’t give a damn what format the OP wants to use!

Clear enough?

MY comment is that the ‘blank’ areas will -=AUTOMATICALLY=- be ‘filled’ in by the screen or projector’s default. Therefore the OP (remember him/her/it?) should -=CHOSE=- whatever is to show, and build the ‘slide’ as a rectangle.

A slide show, regardless if image mode, MUST be rectangular !!!

PERIOD !!!

The whining is about not wanting to have this, yet the -=equipment=- WILL supply something [default] for the ‘missing’ area!

Simple, IF you can read and not have an agenda!

Kirk Splaat
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Tacit
Jun 17, 2008
In article ,
wrote:

something you’re out of the loop on. You CAN save with blank holes that are neither black or white with GIF. And PNG. but PNG is also program specific. Not
everything supports PNG. But you can bet 90% support JPG and GIF.

Yes. You can save a GIF with blank holes in it.

Then you put the GIF in a slide show viewer program and project the picture on the wall with a projector. Question: What color will you see on the projector screen where those blank holes are?


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RobertJM
Jun 17, 2008
"Sir F. A. Rien" wrote in message
found these unused words:

On Mon, 16 Jun 2008 08:10:32 -0700, Sir F. A. Rien

wrote:

PNG also is ‘generic’ and has transparency.

It’s as ‘program specific’ as GIF !!! Some viewers do not support GIF89
[transparency] !

And those viewers aren’t making any money. their advertising budget is limited
to word of mouth or worse.

Why not just throw jpeg2000 into this war. It supports transparencies. But try
and find an editor or viewer that even knows what the format is.
GIF & JPG are OLD standards that haven’t been replaced. they’re as valid and
accepted today as when they 1st came out.
Anything other than these 2 formats may require extra plugins to view or edit.
Any viewer or editor has these 2 formats built in.
You’re spinning your wheels attempting to use any format other than these two,
if you intend on distributing the images.

Again, you don’t seem to be able to comprehend the posts !!!
I, personally, don’t give a damn what format the OP wants to use!
Clear enough?

MY comment is that the ‘blank’ areas will -=AUTOMATICALLY=- be ‘filled’ in by the screen or projector’s default. Therefore the OP (remember him/her/it?) should -=CHOSE=- whatever is to show, and build the ‘slide’ as
a rectangle.

A slide show, regardless if image mode, MUST be rectangular !!!
PERIOD !!!

The whining is about not wanting to have this, yet the -=equipment=- WILL supply something [default] for the ‘missing’ area!

Simple, IF you can read and not have an agenda!

Kirk Splaat

Don’t know what program etc he is using but he did mention he is using a ‘linen’ background.


Rob
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jaSPAMc
Jun 17, 2008
"RobertJM" found these unused words:

Don’t know what program etc he is using but he did mention he is using a ‘linen’ background.

Thanks, I didn’t see the original and I can’t recall if that statement had been snipped in the reply.

In that case, the best method is to copy/drag the clipping over onto the
[tiled?] background and then delete the unwanted sections.

The clipping’s irregular, but the image is rectangular and proper for a slide show.

I’d earlier suggested ‘filling’ the irregularities with a [tiled] pattern – same thing, said differently.
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Mike
Jun 17, 2008
On Mon, 16 Jun 2008 06:56:02 -0700, Buck Nekkid wrote
(in article ):

The above is much more info about you, than anyone else.

shut the hell up and go away.

I don’t care what you want.

Mike

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