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I’m looking for a new display panel in the $1000 range. I happened across the Samsung XL20 (also XL24 & XL30) which are getting good reviews as graphics monitors. Anyone own one and care to comment?
I’m looking for a new display panel in the $1000 range. I happened across the Samsung XL20 (also XL24 & XL30) which are getting good reviews as graphics monitors. Anyone own one and care to comment?
With LCDs seeing is not believing.
I would make sure the technology at that price yields 8 bit color rather than the 6 bit color that is what consumer grade panels produce. Also look for LED rather than fluorescent backlighting.
Swatch wrote:
I’m looking for a new display panel in the $1000 range. I happened across the Samsung XL20 (also XL24 & XL30) which are getting good reviews as graphics monitors. Anyone own one and care to comment?
Just to clarify, I’m asking about LED (not a typo) displays. Anyone? Pos / cons? Or is there a better LCD display in this price range?
"Swatch" wrote in message
Swatch wrote:
I’m looking for a new display panel in the $1000 range. I happened across the Samsung XL20 (also XL24 & XL30) which are getting good reviews as graphics monitors. Anyone own one and care to comment?Just to clarify, I’m asking about LED (not a typo) displays. Anyone? Pos / cons? Or is there a better LCD display in this price range?
What LED displays are you talking about?
Sony makes an OLED display; it’s a TV and costs a couple grand. Surely that’s not what you mean, is it?
You don’t mean a projection unit powered by LEDs, do you?
As for the poster that said get an LCD lit by LED backlight instead of fluorescent, that seems pretty clear. Personally, I have a couple of 22 inch Acer LCD monitors which were cheap, and they’re very good (fluorescent backlights). Around $200 from Tiger Direct. Next to my beloved Sony Trinitron CRT, the Acers look just as good if not better. I’d think a thousand dollar monitor would be very hard-pressed to be that much better than these.
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Art wrote:
"Swatch" wrote in message
Swatch wrote:
I’m looking for a new display panel in the $1000 range. I happened across the Samsung XL20 (also XL24 & XL30) which are getting good reviews as graphics monitors. Anyone own one and care to comment?Just to clarify, I’m asking about LED (not a typo) displays. Anyone? Pos / cons? Or is there a better LCD display in this price range?
What LED displays are you talking about?
Sony makes an OLED display; it’s a TV and costs a couple grand. Surely that’s not what you mean, is it?
You don’t mean a projection unit powered by LEDs, do you?
As for the poster that said get an LCD lit by LED backlight instead of fluorescent, that seems pretty clear. Personally, I have a couple of 22 inch Acer LCD monitors which were cheap, and they’re very good (fluorescent backlights). Around $200 from Tiger Direct. Next to my beloved Sony Trinitron CRT, the Acers look just as good if not better. I’d think a thousand dollar monitor would be very hard-pressed to be that much better than these.
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Well gee whiz Art, the LED displays I’m talking about are "the Samsung XL20 (also XL24 & XL30) which are getting good reviews as graphics monitors". Check my original post, it’s the 2nd of 3 sentences. I asked for comments from someone who has used them. I’ve already got two Samsung 8 bit TN LCD’s that aren’t adequate, so no I’m definitely not looking for a TV, I’m looking for a GOOD monitor to reproduce aRGB for photographs.
As for the poster that said get an LCD lit by LED backlight instead of fluorescent, sheesh, that’s what this thread is about.
Swatch wrote:
Art wrote:
"Swatch" wrote in messageWell gee whiz Art, the LED displays I’m talking about are "the Samsung XL20 (also XL24 & XL30) which are getting good reviews as graphics monitors". Check my original post, it’s the 2nd of 3 sentences. I asked for comments from someone who has used them. I’ve already got two Samsung 8 bit TN LCD’s that aren’t adequate, so no I’m definitely not looking for a TV, I’m looking for a GOOD monitor to reproduce aRGB for photographs.
Swatch wrote:What LED displays are you talking about?
I’m looking for a new display panel in the $1000 range. I happened across the Samsung XL20 (also XL24 & XL30) which are getting good reviews as graphics monitors. Anyone own one and care to comment?Just to clarify, I’m asking about LED (not a typo) displays. Anyone? Pos / cons? Or is there a better LCD display in this price range?
Sony makes an OLED display; it’s a TV and costs a couple grand. Surely that’s not what you mean, is it?
You don’t mean a projection unit powered by LEDs, do you?
As for the poster that said get an LCD lit by LED backlight instead of fluorescent, that seems pretty clear. Personally, I have a couple of 22 inch Acer LCD monitors which were cheap, and they’re very good (fluorescent backlights). Around $200 from Tiger Direct. Next to my beloved Sony Trinitron CRT, the Acers look just as good if not better. I’d think a thousand dollar monitor would be very hard-pressed to be that much better than these.
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As for the poster that said get an LCD lit by LED backlight instead of fluorescent, sheesh, that’s what this thread is about.
I don’t own any LCD or the pro LCD monitor, but I know there are some pro models which may cost up to $3000-4000 for a 20-22" LCD monitor. I have only searched for them about twice in my whole life to remember the name, but you may be able to GOOGLE for them (???).
Also, I don’t hear lot of talk about them but just the price and saying better than regular LCD monitor.
Swatch wrote:
I’m looking for a new display panel in the $1000 range. I happened across the Samsung XL20 (also XL24 & XL30) which are getting good reviews as graphics monitors. Anyone own one and care to comment?
Just to clarify, I’m asking about LED (not a typo) displays. Anyone? Pros / cons? Or is there a better LCD display in this price range?
Swatch wrote:
Swatch wrote:
I’m looking for a new display panel in the $1000 range. I happened across the Samsung XL20 (also XL24 & XL30) which are getting good reviews as graphics monitors. Anyone own one and care to comment?
Just to clarify, I’m asking about LED (not a typo) displays. Anyone? Pros / cons? Or is there a better LCD display in this price range?
You are not asking about LED displays you are asking about LCD displays with a LED back light a totally different thing.
LED displays are only commercially available at about 11" LED monitors do not require a backlight and black is black on them rather than a shade of grey. the small sample screen I saw was as good as my Lacie CRTs.
Swatch wrote:
I’m looking for a new display panel in the $1000 range. I happened across the Samsung XL20 (also XL24 & XL30) which are getting good reviews as graphics monitors. Anyone own one and care to comment?
Just to clarify, I’m asking about LED (not a typo) displays. Anyone? Pros / cons? Or is there a better LCD display in this price range?
You are not asking about LED displays you are asking about LCD displays with a LED back light a totally different thing.
I know what I’m asking about. LCD displays with an LED back light are commonly referred to as LED displays.
Anyone who owns one would surely know what I meant.
They are only calling them LED displays in the article you reference because the article is specifically about these LCD displays which use LED backlights instead of a fluorescent backlight.
I’ve never heard anyone call them LED displays in normal conversation. LCD displays are LCDs whether they have an LED backlight, like your phone or GPS or ipod, or a fluorescent display, like most computer monitors, or no backlight at all, like the cheap stuff.
LED displays are found at your ballpark, at concerts, and on small OLED displays like the $2000 Sony TV and many MP3 players.
So when you ask about LED displays, you’re not likely to get much information about LCD displays.
They are only calling them LED displays in the article you reference because the article is specifically about these LCD displays which use LED backlights instead of a fluorescent backlight.
I’ve never heard anyone call them LED displays in normal conversation. LCD displays are LCDs whether they have an LED backlight, like your phone or GPS or ipod, or a fluorescent display, like most computer monitors, or no backlight at all, like the cheap stuff.
LED displays are found at your ballpark, at concerts, and on small OLED displays like the $2000 Sony TV and many MP3 players.
So when you ask about LED displays, you’re not likely to get much information about LCD displays.You are not asking about LED displays you are asking about LCD displays with a LED back light a totally different thing.I know what I’m asking about. LCD displays with an LED back light are commonly referred to as LED displays.
Anyone who owns one would surely know what I meant.
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"saycheez" wrote:
With LCDs seeing is not believing.
I would make sure the technology at that price yields 8 bit color rather than the 6 bit color that is what consumer grade panels produce. Also look for LED rather than fluorescent backlighting.
I have no idea what you are saying and what you are trying to tell us. But I may be one of few still can’t find a way to replace my old CRT with any LCD at the moment.
Few years ago when my last CRT went south, I spent few weeks staring at the most expensive LCD at some local stores when the 20-22" LCD monitor (Samsung was the one I looked at) cost around $700-800. But I just can’t stand the LCD quality.
May be they hook up to regular video port instead of DMI??? Now the price has dropped to almost 1/3 or even 1/4, but I still don’t see how the LCD can replace the old CRT.
Joel wrote:
"saycheez" wrote:
With LCDs seeing is not believing.
I would make sure the technology at that price yields 8 bit color rather than the 6 bit color that is what consumer grade panels produce. Also look for LED rather than fluorescent backlighting.
I have no idea what you are saying and what you are trying to tell us. But I may be one of few still can’t find a way to replace my old CRT with any LCD at the moment.
Few years ago when my last CRT went south, I spent few weeks staring at the most expensive LCD at some local stores when the 20-22" LCD monitor (Samsung was the one I looked at) cost around $700-800. But I just can’t stand the LCD quality.
May be they hook up to regular video port instead of DMI??? Now the price has dropped to almost 1/3 or even 1/4, but I still don’t see how the LCD can replace the old CRT.
In my experience, the old CRTs are a little "sharper", but I can’t see where the color is better than the latest LCDs.
Joel wrote:
"saycheez" wrote:
With LCDs seeing is not believing.
I would make sure the technology at that price yields 8 bit color rather than the 6 bit color that is what consumer grade panels produce. Also look for LED rather than fluorescent backlighting.
I have no idea what you are saying and what you are trying to tell us. But I may be one of few still can’t find a way to replace my old CRT with any LCD at the moment.
Few years ago when my last CRT went south, I spent few weeks staring at the most expensive LCD at some local stores when the 20-22" LCD monitor (Samsung was the one I looked at) cost around $700-800. But I just can’t stand the LCD quality.
May be they hook up to regular video port instead of DMI??? Now the price has dropped to almost 1/3 or even 1/4, but I still don’t see how the LCD can replace the old CRT.
In my experience, the old CRTs are a little "sharper", but I can’t see where the color is better than the latest LCDs.
dvus wrote:
Joel wrote:
"saycheez" wrote:
With LCDs seeing is not believing.
I would make sure the technology at that price yields 8 bit color rather than the 6 bit color that is what consumer grade panels produce. Also look for LED rather than fluorescent backlighting.
I have no idea what you are saying and what you are trying to tell us. But I may be one of few still can’t find a way to replace my old CRT with any LCD at the moment.
Few years ago when my last CRT went south, I spent few weeks staring at the most expensive LCD at some local stores when the 20-22" LCD monitor (Samsung was the one I looked at) cost around $700-800. But I just can’t stand the LCD quality.
May be they hook up to regular video port instead of DMI??? Now the price has dropped to almost 1/3 or even 1/4, but I still don’t see how the LCD can replace the old CRT.
In my experience, the old CRTs are a little "sharper", but I can’t see where the color is better than the latest LCDs.
The problem with people making statements like Joel did is that they have never seen a professional level monitor and make suppositions based on retail products. Why am I not surprised a newsgroup is full of this sort of garbage?
The Samsung XL20 is a speciality monitor with only one target market; Photographers and graphic artists who simply will not accept anything but a screen that shows exactly what they will get in a photo or magazine advertisement. They cost $1570 US. Hardly the sort of monitor the local electrical store is going to have on display.
I went to 3 computer retailers who all told me their supplier said the XL20 didn’t exist before I found a specialist supplier who deals in graphic artist IT gear.
I can absolutely guarantee; Companies the likes of which I work for would not buy 20 Ezio flat screen monitors at nearly $4000 each if there was any likelihood of a colour mismatch between the CMYK presses that print the magazines and the screens on the desks of the artist who compose the magazine pages or the photographers who take the images for them.
JH
"dvus" wrote:
Joel wrote:
"saycheez" wrote:
With LCDs seeing is not believing.
I would make sure the technology at that price yields 8 bit color rather than the 6 bit color that is what consumer grade panels produce.
Also look for LED rather than fluorescent backlighting.
I have no idea what you are saying and what you are trying to tell us. But I may be one of few still can’t find a way to replace my old CRT with any LCD at the moment.
Few years ago when my last CRT went south, I spent few weeks staring at the most expensive LCD at some local stores when the 20-22" LCD monitor (Samsung was the one I looked at) cost around $700-800. But I just can’t stand the LCD quality.
May be they hook up to regular video port instead of DMI??? Now the price has dropped to almost 1/3 or even 1/4, but I still don’t see how the LCD can replace the old CRT.
In my experience, the old CRTs are a little "sharper", but I can’t see where the color is better than the latest LCDs.
I am not talking about the color but the screen grids are much more visible and much larger on LCD than CRT which is so tiny that looks almost 100% solid (unless we are looking at the older generation of VCD, or SVCD with 30-35+ DotPitch (?).
Me? I work mostly on portrait and I often zoom in 200-300%+ to work on skin-texture and the screen-grids is more visible and sharper than the skin-texture itself (yes, it’s smaller than the level I zoom in, but I just can’t stand it).
Of course I have looked at the display at local store but never own any LCD monitor to have personal experience. Yes, I do have several laptops but I don’t run Photoshop on laptop, and 14.x" is the largest screen I have comparing to 20-22" LCD the screen-grid is lot larger.
Well, it seems you have more problem than Joel does, as Joel is talking about the regular LCD most people have not the $3000-4000
Well, if you ask Joel then Joel may give you the information how to find the professional LCD, and you may be looking at $3000-4000
Joel wrote:
"dvus" wrote:
Joel wrote:
"saycheez" wrote:
With LCDs seeing is not believing.
I would make sure the technology at that price yields 8 bit color rather than the 6 bit color that is what consumer grade panels produce.
Also look for LED rather than fluorescent backlighting.
I have no idea what you are saying and what you are trying to tell us. But I may be one of few still can’t find a way to replace my old CRT with any LCD at the moment.
Few years ago when my last CRT went south, I spent few weeks staring at the most expensive LCD at some local stores when the 20-22" LCD monitor (Samsung was the one I looked at) cost around $700-800. But I just can’t stand the LCD quality.
May be they hook up to regular video port instead of DMI??? Now the price has dropped to almost 1/3 or even 1/4, but I still don’t see how the LCD can replace the old CRT.
In my experience, the old CRTs are a little "sharper", but I can’t see where the color is better than the latest LCDs.
I am not talking about the color but the screen grids are much more visible and much larger on LCD than CRT which is so tiny that looks almost 100% solid (unless we are looking at the older generation of VCD, or SVCD with 30-35+ DotPitch (?).
Well, I beg to differ, I could see individual pixels *much* clearer on my old CRT than on this Samsung LCD display. Of course, this unit is set at 1650X1050 while the CRT was usually at 1280X1024, so that affected it somewhat.
Me? I work mostly on portrait and I often zoom in 200-300%+ to work on skin-texture and the screen-grids is more visible and sharper than the skin-texture itself (yes, it’s smaller than the level I zoom in, but I just can’t stand it).
Of course I have looked at the display at local store but never own any LCD monitor to have personal experience. Yes, I do have several laptops but I don’t run Photoshop on laptop, and 14.x" is the largest screen I have comparing to 20-22" LCD the screen-grid is lot larger.
I’m sure the quality of the CRT vs the LCD is a big factor in the perceived difference, but I’ve gotten used to the much smaller footprint of the LCD and wouldn’t go back to losing all the acreage the CRT needed unless it was a better display.
Joel wrote:
Well, it seems you have more problem than Joel does, as Joel is talking about the regular LCD most people have not the $3000-4000
Well, if you ask Joel then Joel may give you the information how to find the professional LCD, and you may be looking at $3000-4000
Did Joel bother to read the OP’s post?
It referred specifically to the XL20 monitor. That’s what this thread is about. Why then did Joel introduce Joel’s opinion of consumer grade monitors?
JH
They are only calling them LED displays in the article you reference because the article is specifically about these LCD displays which use LED backlights instead of a fluorescent backlight.
I’ve never heard anyone call them LED displays in normal conversation.
LCD displays are LCDs whether they have an LED backlight, like your phone or GPS or ipod, or a fluorescent display, like most computer monitors, or no backlight at all, like the cheap stuff.
LED displays are found at your ballpark, at concerts, and on small OLED displays like the $2000 Sony TV and many MP3 players.
So when you ask about LED displays, you’re not likely to get much information about LCD displays.Well, apparently only from someone with an IQ over 80, but since you seem to have figured out what this thread is about, I’ll tell you what Art, respond with a question rewritten to your standards and I’ll start a new thread, just for you. Keep in mind the people that reply tend to ignore some or all of your query. Here’s what I originally wrote, feel free to improve on it…
You are not asking about LED displays you are asking about LCD displays with a LED back light a totally different thing.I know what I’m asking about. LCD displays with an LED back light are commonly referred to as LED displays.
Anyone who owns one would surely know what I meant.
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Swatch wrote:
Swatch wrote:
I’m looking for a new display panel in the $1000 range. I happened across the Samsung XL20 (also XL24 & XL30) which are getting good reviews as graphics monitors. Anyone own one and care to comment?
Just to clarify, I’m asking about LED (not a typo) displays. Anyone? Pros / cons? Or is there a better LCD display in this price range?
I have the XL 20. It comes with an "eye-one" calibration tool which sticks on the screen while it takes about half an hour to calibrate the monitor.
At first I used the factory default – sRGB setting. My HP printers all use sRGB so I figured keeping the workflow all the same colour space would be best. It’s not because the printer driver will compress the gamut and give you what looks like Adobe RGB output.
In any event, I regret the purchase. I should have bought to XL24 !!!
These monitors are backlit and the first flat screen I’ve ever seen that produces a full B&W tone wedge viewable down to all steps of it.
All I can say is go for it. If you have a second Samsung flat panel, you can use the Eye-one to calibrate it too but not to exactly match the XL.
I also have an aging Ezio monitor. The Samsung blows it away. Not to be to critical of Ezio but the equivalent from them is nearly three times the cost. I can’t see any features remotely worth the extra money.
JH
Jurgen wrote:\
Swatch wrote:
Swatch wrote:
I also have an aging Ezio monitor. The Samsung blows it away. Not to be to critical of Ezio but the equivalent from them is nearly three times the cost. I can’t see any features remotely worth the extra money.
JH
Thanks for the reply Jurgen. A lot of flack in this NG. I assume this is your personal monitor as you mentioned in another post your company uses Ezio monitors. I was hoping for some insight as to why these are so much cheaper than the competition? I notice the price is in constant decline. I guess/hope Samsung is just pushing the market like Canon did with the 300D camera. Any thoughts?
I currently have a Samsung 245t which I guess would be good enough for sRGB but for the majority of my work I use a professional lab (digital negative, chemical process) that takes aRGB files. The 245t is in the ballpark but I’m looking for a WYSIWYG aRGB monitor.
Again, I appreciate you taking the time to respond. ~Swatch
Since I have no experience with LCD except seeing at local store, but with CRT I have lived through RGB, then EGB (or something little better than RGB) then VCD, SVCD etc.. so I know CRT quite well. And the reason I am still using CRT because I can’t stand the visible grid of LCD monitor.
Yes, couple years ago, I have looked at the Samsung 20" when it was onsale for around $700 from the regular price was around $850. But I just can’t stand the grid so I bought another 20" CRT to replace the older one. Now it’s much cheaper (around $200-300) and probably better than older generation, but I still don’t like the visible grid.
I have couple computer stores just few blocks away from my house, the closest is about 1/2 block, the other is around 1-1/2 block. I often check the LCD everytime I come to the store.
Joel wrote:
Since I have no experience with LCD except seeing at local store, but with CRT I have lived through RGB, then EGB (or something little better than RGB) then VCD, SVCD etc.. so I know CRT quite well. And the reason I am still using CRT because I can’t stand the visible grid of LCD monitor.
Yes, couple years ago, I have looked at the Samsung 20" when it was onsale for around $700 from the regular price was around $850. But I just can’t stand the grid so I bought another 20" CRT to replace the older one. Now it’s much cheaper (around $200-300) and probably better than older generation, but I still don’t like the visible grid.
I have couple computer stores just few blocks away from my house, the closest is about 1/2 block, the other is around 1-1/2 block. I often check the LCD everytime I come to the store.
Joel…
Stop right here. What you are saying now is a figment of your imagination. CRT screens have a mesh against the face of the tube to scatter electrons from the guns firing coloured images at the phosphor to make the picture you see.
If you had ever seen a Pro CRT monitor like the Sony Trinatron for example, you’d have also seen a line running horizontally across the screen too. This is where they joined the mesh portions because Sony had the finest pitch of all Japanese made screens and had to fabricate the mesh in small sizes to avoid damage to it.
The vertical lines (all 1600 of them) on a Samsung XL20 monitor are less of an annoyance that the surface of a CRT screen. Even the $200 LG monitor I have hooked into my system for TV display has less visible lines (all 1250 of them) than *ANY* CRT monitor I have ever worked with.
Nobody is suggesting you piss off but if you are going to participate in a group aimed at graphic professionals, hang around a while before you start making stupid comments about something you probably should learn about before joining in a thread… Yahoo has some nice groups. Have you tried them?
Jurgen wrote:
Joel wrote:
Since I have no experience with LCD except seeing at local store, but with CRT I have lived through RGB, then EGB (or something little better than RGB) then VCD, SVCD etc.. so I know CRT quite well. And the reason I am still using CRT because I can’t stand the visible grid of LCD monitor.Joel…
Yes, couple years ago, I have looked at the Samsung 20" when it was onsale for around $700 from the regular price was around $850. But I just can’t stand the grid so I bought another 20" CRT to replace the older one. Now it’s much cheaper (around $200-300) and probably better than older generation, but I still don’t like the visible grid.
I have couple computer stores just few blocks away from my house, the closest is about 1/2 block, the other is around 1-1/2 block. I often check the LCD everytime I come to the store.
Stop right here. What you are saying now is a figment of your imagination. CRT screens have a mesh against the face of the tube to scatter electrons from the guns firing coloured images at the phosphor to make the picture you see.
I think you have better STOP because I have no idea what you are talking about.
If you had ever seen a Pro CRT monitor like the Sony Trinatron for example, you’d have also seen a line running horizontally across the screen too. This is where they joined the mesh portions because Sony had the finest pitch of all Japanese made screens and had to fabricate the mesh in small sizes to avoid damage to it.
I had the Sony Trinatron years ago and I do remember seeing the LINE running across the screen, but it’s no PRO but just one of my average normal CRT. Yup! I paid around $800 (onsale) for it at the time, but CRT was very expensive then.
The vertical lines (all 1600 of them) on a Samsung XL20 monitor are less of an annoyance that the surface of a CRT screen. Even the $200 LG monitor I have hooked into my system for TV display has less visible lines (all 1250 of them) than *ANY* CRT monitor I have ever worked with.
It’s YOUR EYES not me and most of others, so don’t put your eyes on my head and telling me with your eyes I won’t see what I can see with my very own eyes.
Nobody is suggesting you piss off but if you are going to participate in a group aimed at graphic professionals, hang around a while before you start making stupid comments about something you probably should learn about before joining in a thread… Yahoo has some nice groups. Have you tried them?
You start getting very stupid and I may need to piss you off so you can learn something, not?
Swatch wrote:Yes, food for thought. I’m as intrigued as ever. Eizo has just released the FlexScan EV2411W, apparently a business monitor, which uses LEDs too. As the technology goes mainstream the high end equipment should drop in price. I would like to wait until Christmas to see what develops, but of course Christmas is the busiest time of year and when I need an accurate monitor the most…
Jurgen wrote:\
Swatch wrote:
Swatch wrote:
I also have an aging Ezio monitor. The Samsung blows it away. Not to be to critical of Ezio but the equivalent from them is nearly three times the cost. I can’t see any features remotely worth the extra money.
JH
Thanks for the reply Jurgen. A lot of flack in this NG. I assume this is your personal monitor as you mentioned in another post your company uses Ezio monitors. I was hoping for some insight as to why these are so much cheaper than the competition? I notice the price is in constant decline. I guess/hope Samsung is just pushing the market like Canon did with the 300D camera. Any thoughts?
I currently have a Samsung 245t which I guess would be good enough for sRGB but for the majority of my work I use a professional lab (digital negative, chemical process) that takes aRGB files. The 245t is in the ballpark but I’m looking for a WYSIWYG aRGB monitor.
Again, I appreciate you taking the time to respond. ~Swatch
Samsung must have over estimated how many people out there are willing to shell out 2x the cost of a PC for a monitor, is all I can think of. Perhaps a new model is on the horizon too.
I work about 16 hours a week as a contract photographer for a leading fashion and wedding magazine publisher as well as run my own portrait studio. My own stuff is carefully bought. I can’t afford another disaster like I’ve had with Canon cameras so when I bought the XL20, I was prepared to buy an Eizo.
The price difference was just too great for me to ignore and the dealer offered to loan me his demo monitor for a week if bought either an Eizo or the XL from him. I decided after much deliberation that the Samsung was every bit as good. Someone suggested Samsung supply the screens to Ezio but I don’t know this for sure.
I used to print my own album photos on an Epson or HP printer only because of the variations I got back from Pro labs was simply out of my control. I sent a collection of 50 various size prints to a local Pro lab after calibrating the XL.
What came back, blew me away with the accuracy of the colours and density. It proves to me that an essential component of editing photos has to be a monitor capable of displaying a standard image or one produced to a known standard. Nearly all Pro labs will either offer you a profile to convert your images files to or tell you their system is true sRGB.
Fuji Frontier printers in -let’s call them advanced mini-labs catering to advanced and pro photographers are usually calibrated to true sRGB or Fuji’s idea of it. Some of the more advanced operators will have developed a aRGB or proRGB profile. Having a monitor that will will switch between these standards by pressing a button, allows you a freedom few non-Pro photographers will need.
I also make wedding story presentations with Pro-Show presenter. These have to be sRGB to play back on a TV. No drama switching from sRGB to PRO-PhotoRGB. Previously I had to run two different systems for this. If you can afford 2 of them, they can be identically profiled so you can spread your desktop between the two and get wide screen TV simulation for the slide shows.
Good luck and I hope this helps you,
JH
Jurgen wrote:What country are you in swatch?
Swatch wrote:Yes, food for thought. I’m as intrigued as ever. Eizo has just released the FlexScan EV2411W, apparently a business monitor, which uses LEDs too. As the technology goes mainstream the high end equipment should drop in price. I would like to wait until Christmas to see what develops, but of course Christmas is the busiest time of year and when I need an accurate monitor the most…
Jurgen wrote:\
Swatch wrote:
Swatch wrote:
I also have an aging Ezio monitor. The Samsung blows it away. Not to be to critical of Ezio but the equivalent from them is nearly three times the cost. I can’t see any features remotely worth the extra money.
JH
Thanks for the reply Jurgen. A lot of flack in this NG. I assume this is your personal monitor as you mentioned in another post your company uses Ezio monitors. I was hoping for some insight as to why these are so much cheaper than the competition? I notice the price is in constant decline. I guess/hope Samsung is just pushing the market like Canon did with the 300D camera. Any thoughts?
I currently have a Samsung 245t which I guess would be good enough for sRGB but for the majority of my work I use a professional lab (digital negative, chemical process) that takes aRGB files. The 245t is in the ballpark but I’m looking for a WYSIWYG aRGB monitor.
Again, I appreciate you taking the time to respond. ~Swatch
Samsung must have over estimated how many people out there are willing to shell out 2x the cost of a PC for a monitor, is all I can think of. Perhaps a new model is on the horizon too.
I work about 16 hours a week as a contract photographer for a leading fashion and wedding magazine publisher as well as run my own portrait studio. My own stuff is carefully bought. I can’t afford another disaster like I’ve had with Canon cameras so when I bought the XL20, I was prepared to buy an Eizo.
The price difference was just too great for me to ignore and the dealer offered to loan me his demo monitor for a week if bought either an Eizo or the XL from him. I decided after much deliberation that the Samsung was every bit as good. Someone suggested Samsung supply the screens to Ezio but I don’t know this for sure.
I used to print my own album photos on an Epson or HP printer only because of the variations I got back from Pro labs was simply out of my control. I sent a collection of 50 various size prints to a local Pro lab after calibrating the XL.
What came back, blew me away with the accuracy of the colours and density. It proves to me that an essential component of editing photos has to be a monitor capable of displaying a standard image or one produced to a known standard. Nearly all Pro labs will either offer you a profile to convert your images files to or tell you their system is true sRGB.
Fuji Frontier printers in -let’s call them advanced mini-labs catering to advanced and pro photographers are usually calibrated to true sRGB or Fuji’s idea of it. Some of the more advanced operators will have developed a aRGB or proRGB profile. Having a monitor that will will switch between these standards by pressing a button, allows you a freedom few non-Pro photographers will need.
I also make wedding story presentations with Pro-Show presenter. These have to be sRGB to play back on a TV. No drama switching from sRGB to PRO-PhotoRGB. Previously I had to run two different systems for this. If you can afford 2 of them, they can be identically profiled so you can spread your desktop between the two and get wide screen TV simulation for the slide shows.
Good luck and I hope this helps you,
JH
-thanx again
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Jurgen wrote:What country are you in swatch?
Swatch wrote:Yes, food for thought. I’m as intrigued as ever. Eizo has just released the FlexScan EV2411W, apparently a business monitor, which uses LEDs too. As the technology goes mainstream the high end equipment should drop in price. I would like to wait until Christmas to see what develops, but of course Christmas is the busiest time of year and when I need an accurate monitor the most…
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Swatch wrote:
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-thanx again
An Australian firm calling themselves "dont-miss-out who dispose of end of life products, lease returns and stuff that simply didn’t sell, are an ebay trader. They had 5 or 6 XL20s (the last in the country) selling for $600 AUD on Ebay a few weeks ago.
http://stores.ebay.com.au/dontmissout-is-Australian-owned.
I can’t say if they still have any but it wouldn’t hurt to send them an Email and find out. They ship overseas (for them). 230 volt might mean you can’t use one in some countries. That’s what stopped me. OK in Britain or the EEC.
JH
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