Help needed with CS3

Alan Birchard wrote:

I just finished installing Photoshop CS3 and I can’t figure out how to "undock" the palettes on the left, right, and top of the screen, and also, how to change the palettes’ background color from blinding, glaring, eye-burning white to a soothing color of my choice.

To hide or reveal them, go to the Windows menu at the top of CS3. Once revealed on the screen, there is a tiny diamond-shape in the upper corner of each for options that are in effect only when the palette is visible.

Can’t help you with your eye-burn.

On Thu, 27 Nov 2008 07:18:42 -0700, Alan Birchard
wrote:

Hi, I’m new and I’m not sure my posts are showing up, I’ve asked twice in alt.photoshop.windows and despite of a hundredd posts since, nobody has responded. Are my posts showing up?

I just finished installing Photoshop CS3 and I can’t figure out how to "undock" the palettes on the left, right, and top of the screen, and also, how to change the palettes’ background color from blinding, glaring, eye-burning white to a soothing color of my choice.
Please help, and thanks!

I am afraid your posts does not show, Alan.
Try Tab – Shift/Tab or simply drag your palettes where you want it to be. Getting stuck with a mixed up workspace, go Windows/Work Space/Reset Palette Locations.

Other settings can be done at Edit/Preferences/General (or CTRL+K)

On Thu, 27 Nov 2008 16:36:25 +0200, Dave wrote:

I am afraid your posts does not show, Alan.

I’m glad this one did. Thank you for replying.

Try Tab – Shift/Tab or simply drag your palettes

Okay, I have that sorted, except for the one across the top, the one that makes the image I’m working on jump up and down when I tab the pallettes away and back. It has to go. I can’t stand to have the image jump every time I conceal or reveal the palettes.

Other settings can be done at Edit/Preferences/General (or CTRL+K)

Naturally that was the first place I went when I finished installing CS3. It was only after I had exhausted every option that I came here to ask for help with those most important to me, mainly, how to tone down the hateful glaring white color scheme they seem to be trying to force on me. Please see my other reply in this thread and know that I’ll greatly appreciate a solution.
—
Alan Birchard

On Thu, 27 Nov 2008 08:35:28 -0600, John J wrote:

To hide or reveal them,

OK, I figured out how to float those on the left and right, now it’s just that annoying bar across the top, the one with "Style, Width, Height, Slices, Workspace" etc… when I have a large image on the screen and I hit Tab to vanish the palettes, the picture jumps up and down a half inch, and this will make me insane within a week, so I need to get that one floated as well. Or gone. Can you help?

Can’t help you with your eye-burn.

Well this is going to simply kill me. For ten years I have cursed them (literally) for making all of the icons and text on the palettes black, so they’re invisible on my choice of background – black – rather than simply respecting my chosen colors. I had to go through and memorize every single icon and tickbox. I steadfastly refused to go to a permanent white background and suffer the burning glare. I felt that surely with this new mega-bucks bloatware mega-release they would have grown up and freed me to choose the color of my text and icons in the palettes, and instead, I find that they did the opposite, they left it black, and now they forced the background to white to accommodate their own choice of black text. I have never been so disrespected by a piece of software in my life, except by Windows, of course.

Please tell me this isn’t so. There has to be a way to make those palettes black with green text, or God forgive me in advance for cursing them for another ten years, black with black text at the very least. Who can sit and paint and think clearly and focus while trying to squint at a work space that is tucked between the glare of incoming headlights? Because I assure you, on a 50" widescreen plasma monitor, that’s just what those huge glaring snow white palettes look like. It’s miserable and I won’t stand for it. How am I to relax and get creative as Adobe so glowingly advertises they will help me do, when they stick a couple flashlights in my face while I’m trying to do it?

Does someone here have the final word on this? Is this painful, abominable forced white background incorporated into the program in such a way that I can’t even decide my own color scheme… in a world-class paint program, no less?!??!!

I use the "Classic" Windows appearance scheme, and in Photoshop CS3, the standard Windows menu bar across the top is WHITE, overriding my chosen stated preferences, so now my light green text is next to invisible! What is wrong with these people? Do they really expect to herd us all into the same pen like cattle and make us all march to the same rhythm? This is so absolutely contradictory to the freewheeling creative attitude that they portray. Even the Help files… a forced white background, and again, miserable and unusable with my light green text.

Please, someone please, tell me I’m missing something and there’s a fix for all this. And while you’re at it, is there a way to disable the $%&*#! splash screen? I don’t need to look at the list of their names for another ten years.

Thanks for helping, John J.
—
Alan Birchard

On Thu, 27 Nov 2008 07:18:42 -0700, Alan Birchard
wrote:

I can’t figure out how to "undock" the palettes on the left, right, and top of the screen

Okay, I finally noticed the tiny drag bar on the extreme left and got the one at the top to float, so all’s well as far as positioning the palettes and preventing the image from jumping. Now it’s just a question of the glaring white of the palteets… please see my other posts and help if you can, because this is absolutely critical. —
Alan Birchard

Alan Birchard wrote:

On Thu, 27 Nov 2008 16:36:25 +0200, Dave wrote:

I am afraid your posts does not show, Alan.

I’m glad this one did. Thank you for replying.

Try Tab – Shift/Tab or simply drag your palettes

Okay, I have that sorted, except for the one across the top, the one that makes the image I’m working on jump up and down when I tab the pallettes away and back. It has to go. I can’t stand to have the image jump every time I conceal or reveal the palettes.

Press the "F" key.

Alan, we would have to hack CS3 to get the menu color theme you wish, and I think it would be a great thing to do. (Oh, for the days of resedit).

I’ll keep it in the back of my mind. Great idea.

Hang in there.

John

On Thu, 27 Nov 2008 18:32:06 -0700, Alan Birchard
wrote:

On Thu, 27 Nov 2008 07:18:42 -0700, Alan Birchard
wrote:

I can’t figure out how to "undock" the palettes on the left, right, and top of the screen

Okay, I finally noticed the tiny drag bar on the extreme left and got the one at the top to float, so all’s well as far as positioning the palettes and preventing the image from jumping. Now it’s just a question of the glaring white of the palteets… please see my other posts and help if you can, because this is absolutely critical.

I’m glad your problems is sorted out so far.
I was joking in my 1st post saying ‘your posts does not show’ because obviously I replied to this one. You took it as if this was the only showing,… but I have not seen the other.
A dumb joke thus:-)

Funny what your are saying about the white glare on the menu. I never saw or heard someone else mentioning it.
Can it be that your vicinity (room) is to dark?
Or don’t I notice it because of the tint in my glasses?

"Alan Birchard" schreef in bericht

On Thu, 27 Nov 2008 08:35:28 -0600, John J wrote:

To hide or reveal them,

OK, I figured out how to float those on the left and right, now it’s just that annoying bar across the top, the one with "Style, Width, Height, Slices, Workspace" etc… when I have a large image on the screen and I hit Tab to vanish the palettes, the picture jumps up and down a half inch, and this will make me insane within a week, so I need to get that one floated as well. Or gone. Can you help?

Can’t help you with your eye-burn.

Well this is going to simply kill me. For ten years I have cursed them (literally) for making all of the icons and text on the palettes black, so they’re invisible on my choice of background – black – rather than simply respecting my chosen colors. I had to go through and memorize every single icon and tickbox. I steadfastly refused to go to a permanent white background and suffer the burning glare. I felt that surely with this new mega-bucks bloatware mega-release they would have grown up and freed me to choose the color of my text and icons in the palettes, and instead, I find that they did the opposite, they left it black, and now they forced the background to white to accommodate their own choice of black text. I have never been so disrespected by a piece of software in my life, except by Windows, of course.

Please tell me this isn’t so. There has to be a way to make those palettes black with green text, or God forgive me in advance for cursing them for another ten years, black with black text at the very least. Who can sit and paint and think clearly and focus while trying to squint at a work space that is tucked between the glare of incoming headlights? Because I assure you, on a 50" widescreen plasma monitor, that’s just what those huge glaring snow white palettes look like. It’s miserable and I won’t stand for it. How am I to relax and get creative as Adobe so glowingly advertises they will help me do, when they stick a couple flashlights in my face while I’m trying to do it?
Does someone here have the final word on this? Is this painful, abominable forced white background incorporated into the program in such a way that I can’t even decide my own color scheme… in a world-class paint program, no less?!??!!

I use the "Classic" Windows appearance scheme, and in Photoshop CS3, the standard Windows menu bar across the top is WHITE, overriding my chosen stated preferences, so now my light green text is next to invisible! What is wrong with these people? Do they really expect to herd us all into the same pen like cattle and make us all march to the same rhythm? This is so absolutely contradictory to the freewheeling creative attitude that they portray. Even the Help files… a forced white background, and again, miserable and unusable with my light green text.

Please, someone please, tell me I’m missing something and there’s a fix for all this. And while you’re at it, is there a way to disable the $%&*#! splash screen? I don’t need to look at the list of their names for another ten years.

Thanks for helping, John J.
—
Alan Birchard

You might want to consider a second monitor. Put all of the panels on that one and just have your picture open on the first. (50"!!) I know it isn’t what you’re looking for, but if it is that annoying to you it might be a solution.

"Alan Birchard" wrote in message

On Thu, 27 Nov 2008 07:18:42 -0700, Alan Birchard
wrote:

I can’t figure out how to "undock" the palettes on the left, right, and top of the screen

Okay, I finally noticed the tiny drag bar on the extreme left and got the one at the top to float, so all’s well as far as positioning the palettes and preventing the image from jumping. Now it’s just a question of the glaring white of the palteets… please see my other posts and help if you can, because this is absolutely critical. —
Alan Birchard

First of all if the white on your monitor is that bright it will not match any paper you print on. And all your files will look muddy on everyone else’s darker screens.
can you set the temp of it to 6500?? or fix the brightness of the white? my monitor has software to adjust it.

Second why would anyone want hideous green type on black background anyway??

If you knew how to use WINDOWS you could change the entire system to your liking>>>>>>>>>>>> colors fonts sizes etc do not use classic !!!
there are many custom skins that can be downloaded as well it should change the entire system colors

in addition to all those choices you can add in windows the accessibility features for vision challenged people
seriously if it can be made for almost blind people to see the screen in whatever colors you desire
so quit blaming windows
’cause you don’t know how to use it properly

"KatWoman" wrote in message

"Alan Birchard" wrote in message

On Thu, 27 Nov 2008 07:18:42 -0700, Alan Birchard
wrote:

I can’t figure out how to "undock" the palettes on the left, right, and top of the screen

Okay, I finally noticed the tiny drag bar on the extreme left and got the one at the top to float, so all’s well as far as positioning the palettes and preventing the image from jumping. Now it’s just a question of the glaring white of the palteets… please see my other posts and help if you can, because this is absolutely critical. —
Alan Birchard

First of all if the white on your monitor is that bright it will not match any paper you print on. And all your files will look muddy on everyone else’s darker screens.
can you set the temp of it to 6500?? or fix the brightness of the white? my monitor has software to adjust it.

Second why would anyone want hideous green type on black background anyway??

If you knew how to use WINDOWS you could change the entire system to your liking>>>>>>>>>>>> colors fonts sizes etc do not use classic !!!
there are many custom skins that can be downloaded as well it should change the entire system colors

in addition to all those choices you can add in windows the accessibility features for vision challenged people
seriously if it can be made for almost blind people to see the screen in whatever colors you desire
so quit blaming windows
’cause you don’t know how to use it properly

Here is my follow up after trying this

windows control panel or right click desktop
display properties – appearances tab>>click advanced use the drop downs to change the colors and fonts
click apply

if you make the background black ………true you cannot see menu items unless hovered over– but you can see the other menu items if you make a contrast color font

for some reason this is the only type color I cannot change- the inactive menu font color

I did make a background of green and other colors with various colors of type visible
but the black was a problem for that one

IN addition control panel
accessibility

display tab

there are so many more schemes here
suggest slate scheme if you don’t want white background

I didn’t try them all

On Thu, 27 Nov 2008 20:10:22 -0600, John J wrote:

Alan, we would have to hack CS3 to get the menu color theme you wish,

So you’re saying that my worst fears are true, and that the white is hard coded? It’s hard to imagine what kind of brutal mind could try to force this on me, against my own wishes, on a machine that is capable of giving me millions of choices… it’s sickening.

and I think it would be a great thing to do.

Thanks for that.

(Oh, for the days of resedit).

Hmm?

I’ll keep it in the back of my mind. Great idea.

Hang in there.

All I can do is keep using my ancient version 5 with the invisible text and icons that I have spent ten years memorizing. I can’t stand to use CS3 for more than five minutes.
—
Alan Birchard

On Fri, 28 Nov 2008 14:08:37 -0500, "KatWoman" wrote:

First of all if the white on your monitor is that bright it will not match any paper you print on.

You are making assumptions. I never said I care about printing.

And all your files will look muddy on everyone
else’s darker screens.

You are making assumptions. I never said anyone else will be seeing my files.

can you set the temp of it to 6500?? or fix the brightness of the white? my monitor has software to adjust it.

I can tone down everything and create an effect similar to wearing tinted glass on my face, but I find both solutions offensive, not least because it would throw off the colors of the project I’m working on.

Second why would anyone want hideous green type on black background anyway??

That’s not worthy of a reply.

If you knew how to use WINDOWS you could change the entire system to your liking>>>>>>>>>>>> colors fonts sizes etc

I can tell right now that I’ve been using computers since you were in diapers, and probably before you were born. If you knew how to READ you would know that the problem here is that the Photoshop CS3 palettes are white, and they ignore and override my Windows system preferences, whether I want them to be white, black, or purple. The problem here is the arrogance of the programmers at Adobe.

do not use classic !!!

I might have obeyed if you had used a few more exclamation points. Actually, no, because it’s ridiculous. It’s unrelated to the problem. The problem is identical whether I use classic or XP.

there are many custom skins that can be downloaded as well it should change the entire system colors

Skins? For the Photoshop palettes? If there’s any truth to that, it would be the one shred of useful information in your entire piost.

in addition to all those choices you can add in windows the accessibility features for vision challenged people

You are wrong, and I’m not vision challenged.

seriously if it can be made for almost blind people to see the screen in whatever colors you desire

You’re coming across as a bigmouth and a know it all, so if that’s to be the case, then you tell me how to make the Photoshop CS3 palettes display as black with green text, rather than white with black text, and I will eat crow served in a hat.

so quit blaming windows
’cause you don’t know how to use it properly

You are now coming across as an idiot. I’m sorry, but it’s true. I’m going to type really slowly this time so you can follow along:

The Photoshop CS3 palettes are white, no matter what colors I set as my preferences in Control Panel.

Did you get it that time?

I have been setting my color schemes since Windows 3.1 and I doubt there’s anything you’re going to teach me in that area. I don’t know why you chose to jump in yelling about how stupid I am but you did it without a clear knowledge of the issues at hand and in fact, in clear ignorance of the earlier posts in this very thread. Please, unless you have a genuine solution, drop out. I don’t need to be challenged as to my preference for "hideous green type on black background."

Here is my follow up after trying this

Yeah, wow, imagine that. After you yelled and insulted me and told me I didn’t know how to use Windows, you went and actually put your own hands on and found out a few things. I wonder if you’ll learn anything by this, such as: know what you’re talking about before you jump in and start raising hell when you have no idea what’s being discussed, and avoid know-it-all yelling at someone who is ten times more experienced than you.

Now please, stay out of this thread. You’re not helping, and you’re not capable and knowledgeable to be able to help, and the rest of the folks don’t want to watch us argue. Others are trying to help me. I don’t need or want your type of input. Please, go away. —
Alan Birchard

On Fri, 28 Nov 2008 10:36:32 +0100, "Fred" wrote:

You might want to consider a second monitor. Put all of the panels on that one and just have your picture open on the first. (50"!!) I know it isn’t what you’re looking for, but if it is that annoying to you it might be a solution.

I have no room for another monitor, and even if I did, I would still have to look at the palettes in order to use them, and the Help files still have a white background, and the stock Windows menu bar at the top of the Photoshop main window is still white… this is making me sick. Literally.

Thanks for trying to help.
—
Alan Birchard

On Fri, 28 Nov 2008 08:34:01 +0200, Dave wrote:

You took it as if this was
the only showing,… but I have not seen the other.

Well, they were in a different newsgroup.

Can it be that your vicinity (room) is to dark?

No. "Too dark" is impossible since the level of light in the room is up to me, wouldn’t you agree? I’m sure you won’t suggest I should turn up the ambient light until it’s like an operating room so my eyes will adjust and make the white glare from the monitor more tolerable. It’s unthinkable. I work in pleasant, subdued light, and it’s just as I like it. There’s no possibility of it being "too dark" if it’s exactly as dark as I personally like it.

The problem is a programmer trying to force his preferences on me. Here we have the most versatile tool in the history of the human race and still they go and override the already limited flexibility afforded by Windows and try to make us all use a glaring white background.

It never fails to amaze me when I see someone push back from the computer and rub his eyes and say "God, my eyes are burning…" and there it is, a snow white background with tiny black text. What does he expect? Try reading the wattage off the top of a light bulb while it’s lit… then go ahead and keep reading it over and over again for eight hours. And I refuse to wear tinted glass on my face and discolor and offshade everything else I’m trying to work on and think about, just to tone down the glare of a forced white background.

Thanks for your comments.
—
Alan Birchard

On Fri, 28 Nov 2008 18:28:28 -0700, Alan Birchard
wrote:

On Fri, 28 Nov 2008 08:34:01 +0200, Dave wrote:

You took it as if this was
the only showing,… but I have not seen the other.

Well, they were in a different newsgroup.

Can it be that your vicinity (room) is to dark?

No. "Too dark" is impossible since the level of light in the room is up to me, wouldn’t you agree? I’m sure you won’t suggest I should turn up the ambient light until it’s like an operating room so my eyes will adjust and make the white glare from the monitor more tolerable. It’s unthinkable. I work in pleasant, subdued light, and it’s just as I like it. There’s no possibility of it being "too dark" if it’s exactly as dark as I personally like it.

The problem is a programmer trying to force his preferences on me. Here we have the most versatile tool in the history of the human race and still they go and override the already limited flexibility afforded by Windows and try to make us all use a glaring white background.

It never fails to amaze me when I see someone push back from the computer and rub his eyes and say "God, my eyes are burning…" and there it is, a snow white background with tiny black text.

Why does it amaze you when somebody with burning eyes pray to God for relieve? Or don’t you believe in Godly healing?
Seen otherwise, why would he not rather say it to an earthly companion with a common human name rather than to the King of kings, unless he’s praying for relieve? Or is this your normal way of talking by using the Lord’s name in vain? Sounds as if the latter may be true, and if this is the case, it may be there’s people with the ability to help you but simply ignoring you.

What does
he expect? Try reading the wattage off the top of a light bulb while it’s lit… then go ahead and keep reading it over and over again for eight hours. And I refuse to wear tinted glass on my face and discolor and offshade everything else I’m trying to work on and think about, just to tone down the glare of a forced white background.
Thanks for your comments.

On Fri, 28 Nov 2008 18:28:22 -0700, Alan Birchard
wrote:

On Fri, 28 Nov 2008 14:08:37 -0500, "KatWoman" wrote:

First of all if the white on your monitor is that bright it will not match any paper you print on.

You are making assumptions. I never said I care about printing.

And all your files will look muddy on everyone
else’s darker screens.

You are making assumptions. I never said anyone else will be seeing my files.

can you set the temp of it to 6500?? or fix the brightness of the white? my monitor has software to adjust it.

I can tone down everything and create an effect similar to wearing tinted glass on my face, but I find both solutions offensive, not least because it would throw off the colors of the project I’m working on.

Second why would anyone want hideous green type on black background anyway??

That’s not worthy of a reply.

If you knew how to use WINDOWS you could change the entire system to your liking>>>>>>>>>>>> colors fonts sizes etc

I can tell right now that I’ve been using computers since you were in diapers, and probably before you were born. If you knew how to READ you would know that the problem here is that the Photoshop CS3 palettes are white, and they ignore and override my Windows system preferences, whether I want them to be white, black, or purple. The problem here is the arrogance of the programmers at Adobe.

do not use classic !!!

I might have obeyed if you had used a few more exclamation points. Actually, no, because it’s ridiculous. It’s unrelated to the problem. The problem is identical whether I use classic or XP.

there are many custom skins that can be downloaded as well it should change the entire system colors

Skins? For the Photoshop palettes? If there’s any truth to that, it would be the one shred of useful information in your entire piost.

in addition to all those choices you can add in windows the accessibility features for vision challenged people

You are wrong, and I’m not vision challenged.

seriously if it can be made for almost blind people to see the screen in whatever colors you desire

You’re coming across as a bigmouth and a know it all, so if that’s to be the case, then you tell me how to make the Photoshop CS3 palettes display as black with green text, rather than white with black text, and I will eat crow served in a hat.

and you are coming across as a troll. On pension, living in old age home, and bored. The children bought you a computer,
or rather handed you one of their older PC’s to be replaced, and you found the News Groups. With a fantasy vision you started using PS but, hate to be so transparent.

so quit blaming windows
’cause you don’t know how to use it properly

You are now coming across as an idiot. I’m sorry, but it’s true. I’m going to type really slowly this time so you can follow along:
The Photoshop CS3 palettes are white, no matter what colors I set as my preferences in Control Panel.

Did you get it that time?

If you want to buy a Mercedes in Royal Blue, and does not find it in your preferred color, you will either buy another color or another make of car, rather than insulting the car manufacturers. If they only make it in pink, or purple, this is it. Go buy a Volkswagen. Try Windows Paint or any one of the other Photo Editing programs. There are many of them.

I have been setting my color schemes since Windows 3.1 and I doubt there’s anything you’re going to teach me in that area. I don’t know why you chose to jump in yelling about how stupid I am but you did it without a clear knowledge of the issues at hand and in fact, in clear ignorance of the earlier posts in this very thread. Please, unless you have a genuine solution, drop out. I don’t need to be challenged as to my preference for "hideous green type on black background."

Here is my follow up after trying this

Yeah, wow, imagine that. After you yelled and insulted me and told me I didn’t know how to use Windows, you went and actually put your own hands on and found out a few things. I wonder if you’ll learn anything by this, such as: know what you’re talking about before you jump in and start raising hell when you have no idea what’s being discussed, and avoid know-it-all yelling at someone who is ten times more experienced than you.

Now please, stay out of this thread. You’re not helping, and you’re not capable and knowledgeable to be able to help, and the rest of the folks don’t want to watch us argue. Others are trying to help me. I don’t need or want your type of input. Please, go away.

I certainly doubt this thread to be much longer than what it is now. I also don’t see you to become of the regular contributors here, when attacking one of our most popular helpers.
If you are serious about Photoshop, do not close doors.
Rather read KatWoman more often and make notes of the tips.

Hi, thinking of it… Uncle Joel…!!! Tell him about ‘Masking’…:-)

Dave wrote:

On Fri, 28 Nov 2008 18:28:22 -0700, Alan Birchard
wrote:

On Fri, 28 Nov 2008 14:08:37 -0500, "KatWoman" wrote:

Now please, stay out of this thread. You’re not helping, and you’re not capable and knowledgeable to be able to help, and the rest of the folks don’t want to watch us argue. Others are trying to help me. I don’t need or want your type of input. Please, go away.

I certainly doubt this thread to be much longer than what it is now. I also don’t see you to become of the regular contributors here, when attacking one of our most popular helpers.
If you are serious about Photoshop, do not close doors.
Rather read KatWoman more often and make notes of the tips.

Hi, thinking of it… Uncle Joel…!!! Tell him about ‘Masking’…:-)

I really get pissed off when I can find the answer to someone’s problems with precisely three *3* mouse clicks.

I get pissed off even more when some jerk attempting to impose his ideas on a program made for professionals doesn’t fit his kaleidoscope of childish colors, asks for advice and then abuses the person giving it.

You’re right Dave. This thread isn’t going to last long. The OP is trolling and using the wrong bait.

Jurgen

You’re right Dave. This thread isn’t going to last long. The OP is trolling and using the wrong bait.

That is why I call him ‘transparent’, Jurgen.
Coming to think of it, transparent is without depth.
In fact, no content at all…:-)

"Alan Birchard" schreef in bericht

On Fri, 28 Nov 2008 10:36:32 +0100, "Fred" wrote:

You might want to consider a second monitor. Put all of the panels on that one and just have your picture open on the first. (50"!!) I know it isn’t what you’re looking for, but if it is that annoying to you it might be a solution.

I have no room for another monitor, and even if I did, I would still have to look at the palettes in order to use them, and the Help files still have a white background, and the stock Windows menu bar at the top of the Photoshop main window is still white… this is making me sick. Literally.

Thanks for trying to help.
—
Alan Birchard

The menu bar goes away if you press F a couple of times. You could adjust the brightness/contrast on the second monitor. But since you have no room, this is purely hypothetical.

Alan Birchard has a load of problems that he has described. Hundreds of thousands of CS3 users, including myself, enjoy their program and do not suffer Alan’s problems. Therefore Alan Birchard complains:

1. Adobe programmers are screwed up.
2. Everyone out there, except Alan, is screwed up.
3. The world is picking on me!

"Alan Birchard" wrote in message

Hi, I’m new and I’m not sure my posts are showing up, I’ve asked twice
in alt.photoshop.windows and despite of a hundredd posts since, nobody
has responded. Are my posts showing up?

I just finished installing Photoshop CS3 and I can’t figure out how to
"undock" the palettes on the left, right, and top of the screen, and also, how to change the palettes’ background color from blinding, glaring, eye-burning white to a soothing color of my choice.
Please help, and thanks!
—
Alan Birchard

On Sat, 29 Nov 2008 09:55:38 +0200, Dave wrote:

attacking one of our most popular helpers.

If you call her rude and abrasive comments about "hideous green on black" and "you don’t know how to use Windows" helping, then you’re in the same boat with her. Please leave this thread alone so that someone who actually has some useful input has room to speak. Thanks. —
Alan Birchard

On Sat, 29 Nov 2008 18:40:01 +1000, Jurgen
wrote:

I really get pissed off when I can find the answer to someone’s problems with precisely three *3* mouse clicks.

The Photoshop CS3 palettes are white, and they’re programmed to be white, and there’s no changing it in three clicks or three hundred. Your "three click" claim is worse than a bluff; it’s an outright lie. —
Alan Birchard

On Sat, 29 Nov 2008 11:08:28 +0100, "Fred" wrote:

The menu bar goes away if you press F a couple of times.

I’m perfectly aware of that, since the ancient version 5 I’ve been using for ten years does the same thing. But you see, I don’t want the menu bar, and the taskbar, and the title bar and everything else to go away. I want them not white. That’s why there is a way to set system wide preferences.

You could adjust the brightness/contrast on the second monitor. But since you have no room, this is purely hypothetical.

Not only no room, no desire. The issue is the Adobe programmers forcing white, not my lack of hardware or my lack of willingness to wear sunglasses while I paint.
—
Alan Birchard

On Sat, 29 Nov 2008 09:06:00 +0200, Dave wrote:

Or don’t you believe in Godly healing?

Uhmm… I wonder if you’d do me the simple courtesy of leaving this thread alone. Please?
—
Alan Birchard

The menu bar goes away if you press F a couple of times.

I’m perfectly aware of that, since the ancient version 5 I’ve been using for ten years does the same thing. But you see, I don’t want the menu bar, and the taskbar, and the title bar and everything else to go away. I want them not white. That’s why there is a way to set system wide preferences.

You could adjust the brightness/contrast on the second monitor. But since you have no room, this is purely hypothetical.

Not only no room, no desire. The issue is the Adobe programmers forcing white, not my lack of hardware or my lack of willingness to wear sunglasses while I paint.
—
Alan Birchard

Well, I’m afraid you will have to talk to Adobe then.
I think we all understand your frustrations, but there are no magicians here.
Don’t ridicule yourself by going on and on about it.

Last thing I can think of is glueing some sort of filter to parts of your monitor screen,
but I doubt you have the desire to do that.

"Alan Birchard" wrote in message

Hi, I’m new and I’m not sure my posts are showing up, I’ve asked twice in alt.photoshop.windows and despite of a hundredd posts since, nobody has responded. Are my posts showing up?

I just finished installing Photoshop CS3 and I can’t figure out how to "undock" the palettes on the left, right, and top of the screen, and also, how to change the palettes’ background color from blinding, glaring, eye-burning white to a soothing color of my choice.
Please help, and thanks!
—
Alan Birchard

I don’t have cs3 only cs2.

The Tools, History, Layers Palettes are mostly sort of beige.

The Drop downs for File, Edit, Image, etc are White, but I could hardly describe them as "Glaring White", and they are certainly not bright enough or on the screen long enough to cause any eye strain.

Could it be that you have your monitor set incorrectly?

You claim to be new, so you may not yet understand the need for Monitor Calibration and Profiling. This would reduce the White Colour Temperature to 6500K, and that should make it more acceptable for your eyes.

Roy G

On Sat, 29 Nov 2008 07:14:00 -0700, Alan Birchard
wrote:

On Sat, 29 Nov 2008 09:55:38 +0200, Dave wrote:

attacking one of our most popular helpers.

If you call her rude and abrasive comments about "hideous green on black" and "you don’t know how to use Windows" helping, then you’re in the same boat with her. Please leave this thread alone so that someone who actually has some useful input has room to speak. Thanks.

Sorry if I came over to harsh. It was not my meaning. I only intended being honest. The way I reacted is the way I always react when somebody use the name of God the way you did.
I do as you wish by leaving the thread.
Keep well

Top menu item: Edit -> Menus

Can’t change the background yet.
Looking at the code now.

In reply to Alan Birchard , who wrote:

Hi, I’m new and I’m not sure my posts are showing up, I’ve asked twice in alt.photoshop.windows and despite of a hundredd posts since, nobody has responded. Are my posts showing up?

I just finished installing Photoshop CS3 and I can’t figure out how to "undock" the palettes on the left, right, and top of the screen, and also, how to change the palettes’ background color from blinding, glaring, eye-burning white to a soothing color of my choice.
Please help, and thanks!

It’s time I spoke up. I don’t want to argue with anyone but I too would be most grateful for a solution to this very situation. I suffer from photophobia and I keep my system colors set very dark. Most programs can be adjusted to suitable levels but the white palettes in the CS3 of Photoshop are unbearable. Yes I know I can press the tab key to turn them off but when I press it again to turn them on the sudden impact of the white light is like a double punch in my eyes. It’s not just discomfort, it’s genuine pain. Please spare me the indignity of telling me to "get used to
it" because you might as well tell someone in a wheelchair to "just use the stairs". Forgive me if I
sound defensive but I have been dealing with this my whole life and I still encounter people who are
insensitive to the point of cruelty. My condition is outwardly less obvious than if I were in a wheelchair or were carrying a white cane but I assure you it is no less real. I’m happy for all of you that are able to sprint up and down the stairs and I accept my lot in life that I have to take a
slower path up the ramp. But there is no ramp into the CS3 Photoshop building. I empathize with the points you made, Alan. I am unable to use the Help files at all because of the painful glare of the white background. I had to print them and now I have to shuffle through a sheaf
of papers when I need them. When I need the palettes I cover my eyes with my left hand while I reach
across and press the Tab key with my right hand, then I barely part two of the fingers on my left hand to make a very narrow slit to peek through while I grab the mouse with my right hand. Then I find what I need and make the changes as fast as possible so I can turn the palettes off again and take my hand away from my face.
I also use Windows Classic mode because the XP scheme doesn’t allow modifying a lot of the glaring objects such as the menu bar you mentioned. In Classic mode all of my other programs respect my choice of color for the menu bar but when I am going to need Photoshop for more than a few minutes I
have to put a strip of black electrical tape across the monitor to cover the white menu bar and I use the Alt shortcut keys to open the menus instead. I simply cannot endure that brilliant and constant white strip of light. So there I sit with a strip of black tape across my monitor, and one hand over my face, and occasional sudden sharp pain in my eyes, and a stack of help file papers near
at hand, all in order to accommodate a program that arbitrarily makes certain items white. And all of this is going on while, as you pointed out, I’m trying to relax and think and be creative. Like the old saying says, what’s wrong with this picture?
If this CS3 had not been a gift I never would have come this far. I never would have bought it in the first place. I use it because I own it and I can’t afford an alternative that can do half as much but it constantly keeps me on the verge of misery. And I’m not exaggerating. It’s amazingly powerful and I appreciate and respect the many thousands of hours that the creators have spent developing it but I shame them for so thoughtlessly, no, callously, overriding my choices for the appearance.

Dana

Alan Birchard wrote:

On Sat, 29 Nov 2008 18:40:01 +1000, Jurgen
wrote:

I really get pissed off when I can find the answer to someone’s problems with precisely three *3* mouse clicks.

The Photoshop CS3 palettes are white, and they’re programmed to be white, and there’s no changing it in three clicks or three hundred. Your "three click" claim is worse than a bluff; it’s an outright lie.

If that is so, you two alternatives. You may learn to write the code to modify Photoshop to suit your tastes, that shouldn’t be too hard, or you can learn to live with it as it is, like every other PS user in the world.

-Raf

—
Misifus-
Rafael Seibert
mailto:
Photos: http://www.flickr.com/photos/rafiii
home: http://www.rafandsioux.com

Misifus wrote:

Alan Birchard wrote:

On Sat, 29 Nov 2008 18:40:01 +1000, Jurgen
wrote:

I really get pissed off when I can find the answer to someone’s problems with precisely three *3* mouse clicks.

The Photoshop CS3 palettes are white, and they’re programmed to be white, and there’s no changing it in three clicks or three hundred. Your "three click" claim is worse than a bluff; it’s an outright lie.

If that is so, you two alternatives. You may learn to write the code to modify Photoshop to suit your tastes, that shouldn’t be too hard, or you can learn to live with it as it is, like every other PS user in the world.
-Raf

I doubt the fool would have the "depth" of knowledge to edit a dynamic link library, much less find the information on how to alter one in "3 clicks".

Roy G wrote:

"Alan Birchard" wrote in message

Hi, I’m new and I’m not sure my posts are showing up, I’ve asked twice in alt.photoshop.windows and despite of a hundredd posts since, nobody has responded. Are my posts showing up?

I just finished installing Photoshop CS3 and I can’t figure out how to "undock" the palettes on the left, right, and top of the screen, and also, how to change the palettes’ background color from blinding, glaring, eye-burning white to a soothing color of my choice.
Please help, and thanks!
—
Alan Birchard

I don’t have cs3 only cs2.

The Tools, History, Layers Palettes are mostly sort of beige.
The Drop downs for File, Edit, Image, etc are White, but I could hardly describe them as "Glaring White", and they are certainly not bright enough or on the screen long enough to cause any eye strain.

Could it be that you have your monitor set incorrectly?

You claim to be new, so you may not yet understand the need for Monitor Calibration and Profiling. This would reduce the White Colour Temperature to 6500K, and that should make it more acceptable for your eyes.
Roy G

I doubt he’d see the reasoning in that Roy. He’s looking for a quick fix and not prepared to adapt himself to what is arguably the world’s best photo editing program enjoyed by many millions of people who don’t have his problem – using the wrong bait.

On Sun, 30 Nov 2008 07:08:02 +1000, Jurgen
wrote:

I really get pissed off when I can find the answer to someone’s problems with precisely three *3* mouse clicks.

I doubt the fool would have the "depth" of knowledge to edit a dynamic link library, much less find the information on how to alter one in "3 clicks".

I repeat: Your "three click" claim is worse than a bluff; it’s an outright lie. Please stop making a stink and simply leave this thread.
—
Alan Birchard

On Sun, 30 Nov 2008 07:12:56 +1000, Jurgen
wrote:

I doubt he’d see the reasoning in that Roy.

Blah blah blah. You can’t just leave this thread alone, can you? —
Alan Birchard

On Sat, 29 Nov 2008 17:27:40 -0000, "Roy G"
wrote:

Could it be that you have your monitor set incorrectly?

You claim to be new

I meant new to this newsgroup.

so you may not yet understand the need for Monitor
Calibration and Profiling. This would reduce the White Colour Temperature to 6500K, and that should make it more acceptable for your eyes.

This is basically the sunglasses principle. I won’t change my world to accommodate Photoshop. Photoshop should accommodate me. Thanks for trying to help, but 90% of white is still white. I want black. —
Alan Birchard

On Sat, 29 Nov 2008 13:46:08 -0700, Dr. Awkward
wrote:

In reply to Alan Birchard , who wrote:

Hi, I’m new and I’m not sure my posts are showing up, I’ve asked twice in alt.photoshop.windows and despite of a hundredd posts since, nobody has responded. Are my posts showing up?

I just finished installing Photoshop CS3 and I can’t figure out how to "undock" the palettes on the left, right, and top of the screen, and also, how to change the palettes’ background color from blinding, glaring, eye-burning white to a soothing color of my choice.
Please help, and thanks!

It’s time I spoke up. I don’t want to argue with anyone but I too would be most grateful for a solution to this very situation. I suffer from photophobia and I keep my system colors set very dark. Most programs can be adjusted to suitable levels but the white palettes in the CS3 of Photoshop are unbearable. Yes I know I can press the tab key to turn them off but when I press it again to turn them on the sudden impact of the white light is like a double punch in my eyes. It’s not just discomfort, it’s genuine pain. Please spare me the indignity of telling me to "get used to
it" because you might as well tell someone in a wheelchair to "just use the stairs". Forgive me if I
sound defensive but I have been dealing with this my whole life and I still encounter people who are
insensitive to the point of cruelty. My condition is outwardly less obvious than if I were in a wheelchair or were carrying a white cane but I assure you it is no less real. I’m happy for all of you that are able to sprint up and down the stairs and I accept my lot in life that I have to take a
slower path up the ramp. But there is no ramp into the CS3 Photoshop building. I empathize with the points you made, Alan. I am unable to use the Help files at all because of the painful glare of the white background. I had to print them and now I have to shuffle through a sheaf
of papers when I need them. When I need the palettes I cover my eyes with my left hand while I reach
across and press the Tab key with my right hand, then I barely part two of the fingers on my left hand to make a very narrow slit to peek through while I grab the mouse with my right hand. Then I find what I need and make the changes as fast as possible so I can turn the palettes off again and take my hand away from my face.
I also use Windows Classic mode because the XP scheme doesn’t allow modifying a lot of the glaring objects such as the menu bar you mentioned. In Classic mode all of my other programs respect my choice of color for the menu bar but when I am going to need Photoshop for more than a few minutes I
have to put a strip of black electrical tape across the monitor to cover the white menu bar and I use the Alt shortcut keys to open the menus instead. I simply cannot endure that brilliant and constant white strip of light. So there I sit with a strip of black tape across my monitor, and one hand over my face, and occasional sudden sharp pain in my eyes, and a stack of help file papers near
at hand, all in order to accommodate a program that arbitrarily makes certain items white. And all of this is going on while, as you pointed out, I’m trying to relax and think and be creative. Like the old saying says, what’s wrong with this picture?
If this CS3 had not been a gift I never would have come this far. I never would have bought it in the first place. I use it because I own it and I can’t afford an alternative that can do half as much but it constantly keeps me on the verge of misery. And I’m not exaggerating. It’s amazingly powerful and I appreciate and respect the many thousands of hours that the creators have spent developing it but I shame them for so thoughtlessly, no, callously, overriding my choices for the appearance.

Dana

Well spoken. The argumentative morons that have corrupted this thread would be appalled to see someone taunting and jeering at a wheelchair bound person who couldn’t find a way into a building but they do the same thing themselves when they say "Climb the stairs with your hands, you lazy jerk" or "Go away and find a different building that suits you" or "Tear down the stairs and build your own ramp." Great analogy.

I wish you well, Dana.
—
Alan Birchard

On Sat, 29 Nov 2008 14:10:24 -0600, John J wrote:

Looking at the code now.

Cheers for working on a solution, John.
—
Alan Birchard

"Alan Birchard" wrote in message

On Sat, 29 Nov 2008 13:46:08 -0700, Dr. Awkward
wrote:

In reply to Alan Birchard , who wrote:

Hi, I’m new and I’m not sure my posts are showing up, I’ve asked twice in alt.photoshop.windows and despite of a hundredd posts since, nobody has responded. Are my posts showing up?

I just finished installing Photoshop CS3 and I can’t figure out how to "undock" the palettes on the left, right, and top of the screen, and also, how to change the palettes’ background color from blinding, glaring, eye-burning white to a soothing color of my choice.
Please help, and thanks!

It’s time I spoke up. I don’t want to argue with anyone but I too would be most grateful for a
solution to this very situation. I suffer from photophobia and I keep my system colors set very
dark. Most programs can be adjusted to suitable levels but the white palettes in the CS3 of
Photoshop are unbearable. Yes I know I can press the tab key to turn them off but when I press it
again to turn them on the sudden impact of the white light is like a double punch in my eyes. It’s
not just discomfort, it’s genuine pain. Please spare me the indignity of telling me to "get used to
it" because you might as well tell someone in a wheelchair to "just use the stairs". Forgive me if I
sound defensive but I have been dealing with this my whole life and I still encounter people who are
insensitive to the point of cruelty. My condition is outwardly less obvious than if I were in a
wheelchair or were carrying a white cane but I assure you it is no less real. I’m happy for all of
you that are able to sprint up and down the stairs and I accept my lot in life that I have to take a
slower path up the ramp. But there is no ramp into the CS3 Photoshop building.
I empathize with the points you made, Alan. I am unable to use the Help files at all because of the
painful glare of the white background. I had to print them and now I have to shuffle through a sheaf
of papers when I need them. When I need the palettes I cover my eyes with my left hand while I reach
across and press the Tab key with my right hand, then I barely part two of the fingers on my left
hand to make a very narrow slit to peek through while I grab the mouse with my right hand. Then I
find what I need and make the changes as fast as possible so I can turn the palettes off again and
take my hand away from my face.
I also use Windows Classic mode because the XP scheme doesn’t allow modifying a lot of the glaring
objects such as the menu bar you mentioned. In Classic mode all of my other programs respect my
choice of color for the menu bar but when I am going to need Photoshop for more than a few minutes I
have to put a strip of black electrical tape across the monitor to cover the white menu bar and I
use the Alt shortcut keys to open the menus instead. I simply cannot endure that brilliant and
constant white strip of light. So there I sit with a strip of black tape across my monitor, and one
hand over my face, and occasional sudden sharp pain in my eyes, and a stack of help file papers near
at hand, all in order to accommodate a program that arbitrarily makes certain items white. And all
of this is going on while, as you pointed out, I’m trying to relax and think and be creative. Like
the old saying says, what’s wrong with this picture?
If this CS3 had not been a gift I never would have come this far. I never would have bought it in
the first place. I use it because I own it and I can’t afford an alternative that can do half as
much but it constantly keeps me on the verge of misery. And I’m not exaggerating. It’s amazingly
powerful and I appreciate and respect the many thousands of hours that the creators have spent
developing it but I shame them for so thoughtlessly, no, callously, overriding my choices for the
appearance.

Dana

Well spoken. The argumentative morons that have corrupted this thread would be appalled to see someone taunting and jeering at a wheelchair bound person who couldn’t find a way into a building but they do the same thing themselves when they say "Climb the stairs with your hands, you lazy jerk" or "Go away and find a different building that suits you" or "Tear down the stairs and build your own ramp." Great analogy.

I wish you well, Dana.
—
Alan Birchard

There are occasions when some very rude people target a poster. This time it’s your turn. It is not easy to ignore these prats! as they tend to monopolize the thread and get in the way of everybody else who may have something constructive to say.

Unfortunately, I don’t know the answer to the problem. On my CS3 the palettes are light grey (the monitor displays a full white correctly). I have not changed anything. There is nothing in prefs that I can see that alters palettes colours or shades. It appears to me that it must have something to do with your monitor calibration. But then I would assume you would notice such a glaring problem in your picture display. I wonder if it may be something to do with your graphics card not displaying properly. I used to have a similar problem many years ago with another program that displayed one particular colour incorrectly. Changing the card fixed the problem. Have you seen CS3 on any other computer and how does it differ from yours?

Good luck sorting it.

PDM.

Dr. Awkward wrote:

It’s time I spoke up. I don’t want to argue with anyone but I too would be most grateful for a solution to this very situation. I suffer from photophobia […]

I can appreciate that. My eyes are overly sensitive to light and it is a painful condition but I know that those with photophobia suffer more!

May I ask a question? How do you cope with images in PS which have brilliant parts, or are generally brilliant so that its highlights are near as bright as base-white?

Do you dim the monitor? I do. I can look at the Info panel to anticipate how an image will render on various platforms and for printing, and of course I have people of normal vision who can critique. It’s my day-job and nobody has complained yet.

So is dimming the monitor a solution?

Misifus wrote:

If that is so, you two alternatives. You may learn to write the code to modify Photoshop to suit your tastes, that shouldn’t be too hard

Shouldn’t be too hard? Are you kidding us? If it isn’t too hard, then show us! Do it!

Jurgen wrote:

I doubt the fool would have the "depth" of knowledge to edit a dynamic link library, much less find the information on how to alter one in "3 clicks".

I doubt you can, either. What makes you think it is in a DLL? I call bullshit on you until you do it and show us.

Jurgen wrote:

I doubt he’d see the reasoning in that Roy. He’s looking for a quick fix and not prepared to adapt himself to what is arguably the world’s best photo editing program […]

Let’s have your physical profile so that we can demonstrate that you probably have a physical difference so that most of us can put you in a similar position. Ah but then you would lie.

Alan Birchard wrote:

On Sat, 29 Nov 2008 14:10:24 -0600, John J wrote:

Looking at the code now.

Cheers for working on a solution, John.

It was to no avail, Alan. After a review and try, I realize I have not the talent to decompile/deconstruct the code. Maybe one of the loud-mouths here will do it. And besides, it’s disallowed by the EULA.

Very sorry to disappoint.

I do agree your wish would be a very helpful option in Photoshop.

Best,
John

On Sat, 29 Nov 2008 17:28:34 -0600, John J wrote:

Jurgen wrote:

I doubt the fool would have the "depth" of knowledge to edit a dynamic link library, much less find the information on how to alter one in "3 clicks".

I doubt you can, either. What makes you think it is in a DLL? I call bullshit on you until you do it and show us.

That makes two people who have called bullshit on you, Jurgen. You claimed to have found the solution in three *3* THREE! (only 3!) mouse clicks. Put up or shut up.
—
Alan Birchard

On Sat, 29 Nov 2008 23:15:10 -0000, "PDM" <pdcm99minus this

wrote:

On my CS3 the palettes are light grey

Same here. They’re 237-237-237 out of 255-255-255 so that’s close enough to white to call it white, at least for me.

There is nothing in prefs that I can see that
alters palettes colours or shades.

That seems to be the case, and I cannot express my disgust with Adobe because of it.

Have you seen CS3 on any other computer and how does it differ from yours?

I haven’t seen it on any other but it wouldn’t matter. I’m not talking about five or ten percentage points. I’m talking about the Adode programmers robbing me of my freedom to choose, and my choice happens to be black. 127-127-127 would still be too bright because I’m working with a 50" widescreen plasma monitor. I don’t even want 64-64-64. I want 0-0-0. Black.

Good luck sorting it.

Thanks.
—
Alan Birchard

"Alan Birchard" wrote in message

On Fri, 28 Nov 2008 14:08:37 -0500, "KatWoman" wrote:

First of all if the white on your monitor is that bright it will not match any paper you print on.

You are making assumptions. I never said I care about printing.

And all your files will look muddy on everyone
else’s darker screens.

You are making assumptions. I never said anyone else will be seeing my files.

can you set the temp of it to 6500?? or fix the brightness of the white? my monitor has software to adjust it.

I can tone down everything and create an effect similar to wearing tinted glass on my face, but I find both solutions offensive, not least because it would throw off the colors of the project I’m working on.

Second why would anyone want hideous green type on black background anyway??

That’s not worthy of a reply.

If you knew how to use WINDOWS you could change the entire system to your liking>>>>>>>>>>>> colors fonts sizes etc

I can tell right now that I’ve been using computers since you were in diapers, and probably before you were born. If you knew how to READ you would know that the problem here is that the Photoshop CS3 palettes are white, and they ignore and override my Windows system preferences, whether I want them to be white, black, or purple. The problem here is the arrogance of the programmers at Adobe.

do not use classic !!!

I might have obeyed if you had used a few more exclamation points. Actually, no, because it’s ridiculous. It’s unrelated to the problem. The problem is identical whether I use classic or XP.

there are many custom skins that can be downloaded as well it should change the entire system colors

Skins? For the Photoshop palettes? If there’s any truth to that, it would be the one shred of useful information in your entire piost.

in addition to all those choices you can add in windows the accessibility features for vision challenged people

You are wrong, and I’m not vision challenged.

seriously if it can be made for almost blind people to see the screen in whatever colors you desire

You’re coming across as a bigmouth and a know it all, so if that’s to be the case, then you tell me how to make the Photoshop CS3 palettes display as black with green text, rather than white with black text, and I will eat crow served in a hat.

so quit blaming windows
’cause you don’t know how to use it properly

You are now coming across as an idiot. I’m sorry, but it’s true. I’m going to type really slowly this time so you can follow along:
The Photoshop CS3 palettes are white, no matter what colors I set as my preferences in Control Panel.

Did you get it that time?

I have been setting my color schemes since Windows 3.1 and I doubt there’s anything you’re going to teach me in that area. I don’t know why you chose to jump in yelling about how stupid I am but you did it without a clear knowledge of the issues at hand and in fact, in clear ignorance of the earlier posts in this very thread. Please, unless you have a genuine solution, drop out. I don’t need to be challenged as to my preference for "hideous green type on black background."

Here is my follow up after trying this

Yeah, wow, imagine that. After you yelled and insulted me and told me I didn’t know how to use Windows, you went and actually put your own hands on and found out a few things. I wonder if you’ll learn anything by this, such as: know what you’re talking about before you jump in and start raising hell when you have no idea what’s being discussed, and avoid know-it-all yelling at someone who is ten times more experienced than you.

Now please, stay out of this thread. You’re not helping, and you’re not capable and knowledgeable to be able to help, and the rest of the folks don’t want to watch us argue. Others are trying to help me. I don’t need or want your type of input. Please, go away. —
Alan Birchard

well I did it and did not bother a screenshot to show your rude ass but nasty old man you don’t get one now

I did not say you were visually impaired but the option is design for that & so called that name on the tab
And if you’re so smart you woulda tried before shooting your big WHINER mouth

I made my entire system all windows
green and black whatever I wanted
and tested in PS CS3

works for me

"Alan Birchard" wrote in message

On Sat, 29 Nov 2008 17:27:40 -0000, "Roy G"
wrote:

Could it be that you have your monitor set incorrectly?

You claim to be new

I meant new to this newsgroup.

so you may not yet understand the need for Monitor
Calibration and Profiling. This would reduce the White Colour Temperature
to 6500K, and that should make it more acceptable for your eyes.

This is basically the sunglasses principle. I won’t change my world to accommodate Photoshop. Photoshop should accommodate me. Thanks for trying to help, but 90% of white is still white. I want black. —
Alan Birchard

I am NOT asking you to change your world.

I AM suggesting that your screen may be much too bright, causing the glare.

Calibration and Profiling will bring your screen to the correct level of Brightness with the correct Shade of White.

Roy G

On Sat, 29 Nov 2008 20:51:22 -0500, "KatWoman" wrote:

well I did it and did not bother a screenshot to show your rude ass but nasty old man you don’t get one now

Yeah. Sure. Maybe next week you’ll let me paint the fence. You and Jurgen are both liars, and you’re using the most childish and juvenile tactic in the history of the world: "I know how to do it, but you were mean to me so I won’t show you how!" Horse feathers.

Now would you please just go away and leave this thread alone? —
Alan Birchard

On Sun, 30 Nov 2008 02:02:34 -0000, "Roy G"
wrote:

Calibration and Profiling will bring your screen to the correct level of Brightness with the correct Shade of White.

But Roy, you’re missing the point: Any shade of white is too much white. Whether it’s dark white, bluish white, correct white, off white, or snow white, if it has the word "white" in it, it’s too much white. I want black. That pretty much rules out *any* variation of white.
—
Alan Birchard

Someone wrote (lost attributes):

I can tell right now that I’ve been using computers since you were in diapers, and probably before you were born.

Hey, is that a brag or a complaint? Anyway, it’s not who was in diapers, but who will be in diapers in old age and still using PS.

KatWoman wrote:

well I did it and did not bother a screenshot to show your rude ass but nasty old man you don’t get one now

Kat! How did you do it? I sure don’t mind a humbling!

In reply to John J , who wrote:

May I ask a question? How do you cope with images in PS which have brilliant parts, or are generally brilliant so that its highlights are near as bright as base-white?

I work mostly with scans of photographs and with imagery of my own creation, and with combinations of the two. I sometimes experience discomfort but perhaps it’s like a person driving into the sunset, glancing and avoiding and before too long the scenery changes. I don’t need to focus for very long on the occasional bright areas. The palettes in Photoshop are another matter; often I need
to read and adjust and make choices and check tick boxes and so forth, and the strain becomes unbearable. If only they were black as Alan suggests, with my choice of text and icon color! Why this choice is forbidden to me is a genuine cause of resentment against the people who made such an arbitrary decision on my computer that’s perfectly able to give me what I need but is not allowed to
do so in this one program. I feel that the forced white of the palettes is absolutely indefensible and I wish the Photoshop team would respond and have it out with me right here in this newsgroup and
right now. I’m sure their intention was not cruelty but that is nevertheless the result and I’d like
to have a few words with them. Before it was over they would promise to incorporate personal freedom
of choice into the next release, or I would clamp onto their ankles like a bulldog 🙂

Do you dim the monitor? I do. I can look at the Info panel to anticipate how an image will render on various platforms and for printing, and of course I have people of normal vision who can critique. It’s my day-job and nobody has complained yet.

So is dimming the monitor a solution?

I have it dimmed enough to "take the edge off" but it’s never enough when it comes to the white
palettes and the white Help files and the white menu bar. And even the light gray background when I fit an image to the screen and maximize the window; who decided that it should be light gray, and why? Why is there no preference to change it? These are the sort of indefensible things I would like
to take up with the Photoshop team. When there is no image open the background of the Photoshop window is my chosen system color, fine, and when I open an image and it’s windowed within the Photoshop window the background is still my chosen system color, fine, but as soon as I maximize that inner window the background surrounding it suddenly turns to a blinding light gray! This has literally driven me to tears sometimes, when I forget and maximize an image and the instant slam of all that brilliant light is like getting punched in the face. And why? Why? Why? Because Photoshop says so. There is no other imaginable reason. Someone at Photoshop set it at light gray, and gave no
option to change it, and that’s the end of the discussion. This is the very definition of the word arbitrary.
Thank you for trying to fix it, though, John. By the way I think you meant to type "nhoj" instead of
"nohj" 🙂

Dana

In reply to "KatWoman" , who wrote:

I made my entire system all windows
green and black whatever I wanted
and tested in PS CS3

works for me

Would you tell me how, please?

Dana

In reply to Jurgen , who wrote:

He’s looking for a quick fix and not prepared to adapt himself

If a theater in my town had a set of stairs and no way in for a wheelchair they would build a ramp for the occasional wheelchair-bound customer, even if wheelchair-bound customers are outnumbered by walking customers five hundred to one. They would not say "Go away and find a different theater that
has a ramp." What you (and a couple others) don’t seem to grasp is that the brilliant light under
discussion here is not just an inconvenience, experienced by a person who is simply intolerant. I can’t speak for Alan but to me it’s quite literally painful. I have a condition known as photophobia
and I would welcome you to go to Wikipedia and read a few paragraphs about it and then perhaps you would realize how it makes me feel to hear you say "not prepared to adapt" to the light. It’s about
as reasonable as someone holding my head under water and encouraging me to "adapt to the moisture."

Dana

In article
wrote:

I just finished installing Photoshop CS3 and I can’t figure out how to "undock" the palettes on the left, right, and top of the screen, and also, how to change the palettes’ background color from blinding, glaring, eye-burning white to a soothing color of my choice.

Looks like a typical flame war has erupted. In case nobody gave you a straight answer. (I stopped after about 4 or 5 replies.)

The answer to your first question is use the tab key to hide or show the pallets. That’s it.

Sorry I can’t help you with the color changes. You might try another PS group.

alt.graphics.photoshop
comp.graphics.apps.photoshop
or even
adobe.photoshop.elements

hope some of this helps

—
bobert
Central California

In reply to Jurgen , who wrote:

I really get pissed off when I can find the answer to someone’s problems with precisely three *3* mouse clicks.

Please tell me how. I am willing to invest as many as FOUR clicks! 🙂

Dana

John J wrote:

Jurgen wrote:

I doubt the fool would have the "depth" of knowledge to edit a dynamic link library, much less find the information on how to alter one in "3 clicks".

I doubt you can, either. What makes you think it is in a DLL? I call bullshit on you until you do it and show us.

You’re free to believe anything you like John. Obviously you have neither the skill or knowledge to prove me right or wrong, despite claiming earlier you could re-write some code for the troll. Sort of makes you a braggart without ability, doesn’t it?

Alan Birchard wrote:

On Sat, 29 Nov 2008 20:51:22 -0500, "KatWoman" wrote:

well I did it and did not bother a screenshot to show your rude ass but nasty old man you don’t get one now

Yeah. Sure. Maybe next week you’ll let me paint the fence. You and Jurgen are both liars, and you’re using the most childish and juvenile tactic in the history of the world: "I know how to do it, but you were mean to me so I won’t show you how!" Horse feathers.
Now would you please just go away and leave this thread alone? —
Alan Birchard

IF you weren’t such an A*hole and loud mouth, you’d have your answer by now.

On Sun, 30 Nov 2008 16:38:25 +1000, Jurgen
wrote:

despite claiming earlier you could re-write some code

All John said was "Looking at the code now." He didn’t say he could fix it, he said he’d try, and he tried, and when he couldn’t get it he said so. On the other hand, you said you had already done it, in just three clicks no less, but now you’re withholding it from the rest of us out of spite. You’re a liar and a troll.

We called bullshit on you and you replied with a lie and a smear against someone who actually tried to help. Your face is smeared with bullshit.

Only a jackal would withhold it from Dana just to keep it from me but you’re not doing that, really, because you don’t have it. You’re bluffing, you’re a liar, and you’re full of shit: Bullshit. —
Alan Birchard

Only a jackal would withhold it

Boys, boys. This is a bit dramatic, as have been comments from several other people. In fact, this has been a remarkable string of some of the more colorful recriminations I’ve seen here in recent times, and it appears to be several people participating.

At least two people, including Katwoman, who is a very reliable contributor to this group, have suggested that they know how to set the interface colors. They also refuse to provide the information because of previous insulting comments. These comments about other people have, in this case, prevented the exchange of information that is available.

Adding yet more insults adds nothing whatsoever to the discussion. How about either keeping quiet or providing straight up information?

Are you trying to make people hesitate to either ask or respond to questions, for fear of being insulted?

What’s gotten into all of you?
—
Mike Russell – http://www.curvemeister.com

On Sat, 29 Nov 2008 20:35:49 -0700, Dr. Awkward
wrote:

as soon as I maximize
that inner window the background surrounding it suddenly turns to a blinding light gray!

Yeah, version 5 has been doing that to me for over ten years, and CS3 still does it, and I just forgot to mention it in my original post. At least you got your CS3 as a gift! I paid for this son of a bitch, and I’m really starting to hate Adobe’s corporate guts. If I can’t change these palettes from white I’m going to sell it on ebay. Of course I’ll take a loss, but the fact that someone buying it used from me will cost Adobe one sale of a new package will be my consolation. I’ll switch to Corel, or PSP, or Gimp, or anything else besides this hateful, arrogant, bloatware piece of shit.
—
Alan Birchard

On Sat, 29 Nov 2008 17:34:33 -0600, John J wrote:

It was to no avail, Alan. After a review and try, I realize I have not the talent to decompile/deconstruct the code.

Thanks for trying, John. Is there any chance for a simple search and replace on the three RGB values? I don’t know how to do it, I’m just reaching. I wonder if 237 237 237 would show up anywhere and if so, it could be for any other reason than to express the RGB values.

Maybe one of the loud-mouths here will do it.

Oh, haven’t you heard? Jurgen has already done it! He’s just not telling us how he did it, that’s all. Same as KatWoman. They can do it. They’re just bein’ mean, them old meanies.

And besides, it’s disallowed by the EULA.

At this point, the EULA can kneel down, pucker up, and… ah, what’s the use. I’ll keep trying for a while longer and then I’ll likely sell it and switch to something else.

Very sorry to disappoint.

Never mind that. Thanks for trying.
—
Alan Birchard

On Sun, 30 Nov 2008 01:08:25 -1000, Mike Russell
wrote:

At least two people, including Katwoman, who is a very reliable contributor to this group, have suggested that they know how to set the interface colors.

She’s a bullshit liar, same as Jurgen.

They also refuse to provide the information because of previous insulting comments.

Yeah, comments such as "why would anyone want hideous green type on black background anyway?" and "If you knew how to use WINDOWS" and "you don’t know how to use it properly" … oh wait, those rude and idiotic comments were made by KatWoman herself. ‘Scuse me.

How about either keeping quiet or providing straight up information?

Hear Hear! I politely asked for help and then I politely asked the troublemaking lying bullshitters to please leave the thread alone, but of course they can’t. That’s contrary to their trolling natures.

What’s gotten into all of you?

Speaking only for myself, I’d have to say a vivid and healthy hatred for Adobe and the programmers who mock me by sticking their names in my face every time I launch the program as if they’re proud of the screw job they gave me by selling me this wretched piece of shit. —
Alan Birchard

And even the light gray background when I
fit an image to the screen and maximize the
window; who decided that it should be light
gray, and why?

You can change that now. Right click on the area surrounding the image. Choose hue and be happy.

John J wrote:

And even the light gray background when I
fit an image to the screen and maximize the
window; who decided that it should be light
gray, and why?

You can change that now. Right click on the area surrounding the image. Choose hue and be happy.

See http://www.digoliardi.net/temp.jpg

"Alan Birchard" wrote in message

On Sun, 30 Nov 2008 02:02:34 -0000, "Roy G"
wrote:

Calibration and Profiling will bring your screen to the correct level of Brightness with the correct Shade of White.

But Roy, you’re missing the point: Any shade of white is too much white. Whether it’s dark white, bluish white, correct white, off white, or snow white, if it has the word "white" in it, it’s too much white. I want black. That pretty much rules out *any* variation of white.
—
Alan Birchard

I understand that you and Awkward don’t want white.

BUT you and Awkward complain about "bliding, glaring, eye-burning white.

If the screen is Calibrated and Profiled you would not get blinding, glaring, eye-burning white.

You would still not have exactly what you want, but hey life is like that.

Roy G

On Sun, 30 Nov 2008 04:55:35 -0700, Alan Birchard wrote:

What’s gotten into all of you?

Speaking only for myself, I’d have to say a vivid and healthy hatred for Adobe and the programmers who mock me by sticking their names in my face every time I launch the program as if they’re proud of the screw job they gave me by selling me this wretched piece of shit.

You resent Adobe mocking you – when all of us are in the same boat. Yet you, ironically, mock all of us by stepping into our environment and using obscene language. If you were a visitor to my home, and did this, you would have been asked to leave.

I don’t accept your characterization of Adobe or the contributors to this group. For example, KW will scratch if provoked, but she has helped people on dozens of occasions over the last several years. Take it from me, you don’t know her.

Aside from consideration for others, there is the potential for enlightened self interest. With your attitude and language, you are driving away the very information that you sought in your initial question. Give it a rest and you may actually get the information (that you say) you want. —
Mike Russell – http://www.curvemeister.com

On Sun, 30 Nov 2008 09:13:03 -1000, Mike Russell
wrote:

Sheesh, you’re gonna go off and write a whole Sunday sermon over the use of the word "shit"?
—
Alan Birchard

On Sun, 30 Nov 2008 10:06:28 -0600, John J wrote:

You can change that now.

Bravo, John. Thank you. That helped a lot. I’ll try to cool off a little. Right now I’m fuming mad at them for taking my money and doing this to me in return, but I haven’t given up all hope yet. —
Alan Birchard

Speaking only for myself, I’d have to say a vivid and healthy hatred for Adobe and the programmers who mock me by sticking their names in my face every time I launch the program

I get this upon start: http://www.digoliardi.net/temp2.jpg

"Dr. Awkward" wrote in message

In reply to Jurgen , who wrote:

He’s looking for a quick fix and not prepared to adapt himself

If a theater in my town had a set of stairs and no way in for a wheelchair they would build a ramp
for the occasional wheelchair-bound customer, even if wheelchair-bound customers are outnumbered by
walking customers five hundred to one. They would not say "Go away and find a different theater that
has a ramp." What you (and a couple others) don’t seem to grasp is that the brilliant light under
discussion here is not just an inconvenience, experienced by a person who is simply intolerant. I
can’t speak for Alan but to me it’s quite literally painful. I have a condition known as photophobia
and I would welcome you to go to Wikipedia and read a few paragraphs about it and then perhaps you
would realize how it makes me feel to hear you say "not prepared to adapt" to the light. It’s about
as reasonable as someone holding my head under water and encouraging me to "adapt to the moisture."

Dana

well gee I want to be an Olympic gold medal swimmer but I am allergic to water

QUIT using PS if it such a POS you hate it

OR go to ADOBE SUGGESTION Forum and ASK to put your need on the request list of the programmers
who are quite nice people and willingly accept opinions how to improve and gave a place to voice complaint to those who could actually change it if they want to

I spent over half hour messing my system around and back only be to rudely told off for trying to help that asswipe for FREE
He and you and your little sock puppets CAN GO SUCK EGGS

On Sun, 30 Nov 2008 13:02:39 -0700, Alan Birchard
wrote:

On Sun, 30 Nov 2008 10:06:28 -0600, John J wrote:

You can change that now.

Bravo, John. Thank you. That helped a lot. I’ll try to cool off a little. Right now I’m fuming mad at them for taking my money and doing this to me in return, but I haven’t given up all hope yet.

Taking your money and then doing this to you? You didn’t know what you were buying when you bought it?
—
Tony Cooper – Orlando, Florida

On Sun, 30 Nov 2008 15:44:00 -0500, "KatWoman" wrote:

I spent over half hour messing my system around and back only be to rudely told off for trying to help that asswipe for FREE
He and you and your little sock puppets CAN GO SUCK EGGS

Yeah yeah yeah. You’re a liar, and now you’re resorting to ranting and hysterics rather than admit you were caught with your pants down and you indeed cannot to what you said you could. Jurgen is bullshit but you, you’re chickenshit.
—
Alan Birchard

On Sun, 30 Nov 2008 14:43:36 -0600, John J wrote:

I get this upon start: http://www.digoliardi.net/temp2.jpg

Well, I can’t read the text, but are you saying you’ve figured out how to replace the splash screen? That would be cool. I’d go with a Dizzy Gillespie for starters. I don’t know jack about programming or decompiling but I can do simple byte search and replace in a hex editor.
—
Alan Birchard

On Sat, 29 Nov 2008 20:12:32 -0800, The Bobert wrote:

hope some of this helps

Thanks for the reply and the advice.
—
Alan Birchard

"Mike Russell" wrote in message

On Sun, 30 Nov 2008 04:55:35 -0700, Alan Birchard wrote:

What’s gotten into all of you?

Speaking only for myself, I’d have to say a vivid and healthy hatred for Adobe and the programmers who mock me by sticking their names in my face every time I launch the program as if they’re proud of the screw job they gave me by selling me this wretched piece of shit.

You resent Adobe mocking you – when all of us are in the same boat. Yet you, ironically, mock all of us by stepping into our environment and using obscene language. If you were a visitor to my home, and did this, you would have been asked to leave.

I don’t accept your characterization of Adobe or the contributors to this group. For example, KW will scratch if provoked, but she has helped people
on dozens of occasions over the last several years. Take it from me, you don’t know her.

Aside from consideration for others, there is the potential for enlightened
self interest. With your attitude and language, you are driving away the very information that you sought in your initial question. Give it a rest and you may actually get the information (that you say) you want. —
Mike Russell – http://www.curvemeister.com

Mike,
I didn’t read all of this thread, but from what I read early on, Alan Birchard got a lot of unhelpful and rude replies from certain quarters, so maybe his reaction is understandable. Unfortunately, he then let rip on others who were trying to help.

PDM

On Mon, 1 Dec 2008 09:52:55 -0000, "PDM" <pdcm99minus this

Mike,
I didn’t read all of this thread, but from what I read early on, Alan Birchard got a lot of unhelpful and rude replies from certain quarters, so maybe his reaction is understandable. Unfortunately, he then let rip on others who were trying to help.

PDM

So, without reading all of this thread, you try to make a decision on what happened here. You confirm you only read certain writings and with that in your mind, you came to a conclusion.
Can anybody make such a fool of himself?
This is not worth replying to:-(

Roy G wrote:

"Alan Birchard" wrote in message

Hi, I’m new and I’m not sure my posts are showing up, I’ve asked twice in alt.photoshop.windows and despite of a hundredd posts since, nobody has responded. Are my posts showing up?

I just finished installing Photoshop CS3 and I can’t figure out how to "undock" the palettes on the left, right, and top of the screen, and also, how to change the palettes’ background color from blinding, glaring, eye-burning white to a soothing color of my choice.
Please help, and thanks!
—
Alan Birchard

I don’t have cs3 only cs2.

The Tools, History, Layers Palettes are mostly sort of beige.
The Drop downs for File, Edit, Image, etc are White, but I could hardly describe them as "Glaring White", and they are certainly not bright enough or on the screen long enough to cause any eye strain.

Could it be that you have your monitor set incorrectly?

You claim to be new, so you may not yet understand the need for Monitor Calibration and Profiling. This would reduce the White Colour Temperature to 6500K, and that should make it more acceptable for your eyes.
Roy G

I’m also very new to CS3 (1 week old) and I’m not sure if anyone will see this post, but I don’t have white glaring at me on my screen. Except for this email screen, that is. But my PS background is a grey colour, and if I open a new document I can specify a different background colour before I open the new document. Am I nuts, or what?

On Mon, 01 Dec 2008 14:38:08 +0200, pecan
wrote:

I’m also very new to CS3 (1 week old) and I’m not sure if anyone will see this post, but I don’t have white glaring at me on my screen. Except for this email screen, that is. But my PS background is a grey colour, and if I open a new document I can specify a different background colour before I open the new document. Am I nuts, or what?

No, only different to some people here; normal.
(I hope…:-)

Dave (hitting the rubber walls in my room)

In reply to John J , who wrote:

And even the light gray background when I
fit an image to the screen and maximize the
window; who decided that it should be light
gray, and why?

You can change that now. Right click on the area surrounding the image. Choose hue and be happy.

THANK YOU JOHN!!!!! I feel better already 🙂 At least the palettes aren’t a surprise so I can cover up and prepare before I turn them on but this one was a real pain, pun intended! I went through every menu and preference and could not find a way to change it and I never thought of the good old right click on the area in question. Thank you 🙂

Dana

"pecan" wrote in message

Roy G wrote:

"Alan Birchard" wrote in message

Hi, I’m new and I’m not sure my posts are showing up, I’ve asked twice in alt.photoshop.windows and despite of a hundredd posts since, nobody has responded. Are my posts showing up?

I just finished installing Photoshop CS3 and I can’t figure out how to "undock" the palettes on the left, right, and top of the screen, and also, how to change the palettes’ background color from blinding, glaring, eye-burning white to a soothing color of my choice.
Please help, and thanks!
—
Alan Birchard

I don’t have cs3 only cs2.

The Tools, History, Layers Palettes are mostly sort of beige.
The Drop downs for File, Edit, Image, etc are White, but I could hardly describe them as "Glaring White", and they are certainly not bright enough or on the screen long enough to cause any eye strain.
Could it be that you have your monitor set incorrectly?

You claim to be new, so you may not yet understand the need for Monitor Calibration and Profiling. This would reduce the White Colour Temperature to 6500K, and that should make it more acceptable for your eyes.

Roy G

I’m also very new to CS3 (1 week old) and I’m not sure if anyone will see this post, but I don’t have white glaring at me on my screen. Except for this email screen, that is. But my PS background is a grey colour, and if I open a new document I can specify a different background colour before I open the new document. Am I nuts, or what?

Hi,

I rather suspect that the selectable background you mention is actually the background colour of the new image’s canvas.

The complainers are talking about the whiteness of the screen behind, or surrounding, the images.

I suspect that they have their screens set to their native colour balance and brightness, which is way too bright for photographic editing.

Roy G

In reply to "KatWoman" , who wrote:

"Dr. Awkward" wrote in message

In reply to Jurgen , who wrote:

He’s looking for a quick fix and not prepared to adapt himself

If a theater in my town had a set of stairs and no way in for a wheelchair they would build a ramp
for the occasional wheelchair-bound customer, even if wheelchair-bound customers are outnumbered by
walking customers five hundred to one. They would not say "Go away and find a different theater that
has a ramp." What you (and a couple others) don’t seem to grasp is that the brilliant light under
discussion here is not just an inconvenience, experienced by a person who is simply intolerant. I
can’t speak for Alan but to me it’s quite literally painful. I have a condition known as photophobia
and I would welcome you to go to Wikipedia and read a few paragraphs about it and then perhaps you
would realize how it makes me feel to hear you say "not prepared to adapt" to the light. It’s about
as reasonable as someone holding my head under water and encouraging me to "adapt to the moisture."

Dana

well gee I want to be an Olympic gold medal swimmer but I am allergic to water

QUIT using PS if it such a POS you hate it

OR go to ADOBE SUGGESTION Forum and ASK to put your need on the request list of the programmers
who are quite nice people and willingly accept opinions how to improve and gave a place to voice complaint to those who could actually change it if they want to

I spent over half hour messing my system around and back only be to rudely told off for trying to help that asswipe for FREE
He and you and your little sock puppets CAN GO SUCK EGGS

I said at the start of my first post that I did not want to argue and I will not. I have been nothing but courteous and polite to you and everyone else in here. I have been the victim of rude and cruel people all my life and I have learned that the best thing to do is walk away. What ever made you try to drag me into an argument and start calling me names and being rude to me and cussing
at me will have to be a mystery because I am not even going to ask you why.

Dana

In reply to pecan , who wrote:

Roy G wrote:

"Alan Birchard" wrote in message

Hi, I’m new and I’m not sure my posts are showing up, I’ve asked twice in alt.photoshop.windows and despite of a hundredd posts since, nobody has responded. Are my posts showing up?

I just finished installing Photoshop CS3 and I can’t figure out how to "undock" the palettes on the left, right, and top of the screen, and also, how to change the palettes’ background color from blinding, glaring, eye-burning white to a soothing color of my choice.
Please help, and thanks!
—
Alan Birchard

I don’t have cs3 only cs2.

The Tools, History, Layers Palettes are mostly sort of beige.
The Drop downs for File, Edit, Image, etc are White, but I could hardly describe them as "Glaring White", and they are certainly not bright enough or on the screen long enough to cause any eye strain.

Could it be that you have your monitor set incorrectly?

You claim to be new, so you may not yet understand the need for Monitor Calibration and Profiling. This would reduce the White Colour Temperature to 6500K, and that should make it more acceptable for your eyes.
Roy G

I’m also very new to CS3 (1 week old) and I’m not sure if anyone will see this post, but I don’t have white glaring at me on my screen. Except for this email screen, that is. But my PS background is a grey colour, and if I open a new document I can specify a different background colour before I open the new document. Am I nuts, or what?

Hi Pecan, we are talking about the palettes where you see all of the tool icons and brushes and everything. I see from other posts in this thread that they are actually a very light gray but to me
they look white. Even so there is no apparent way to change them. They can be turned on and off with
the tab key but they can not be colored differently, at least I can’t find out how to do that. A couple people claim to be able to do it but they refuse to tell how. I wonder. Anyway another man even tried to look into the programming but to no avail. I would like to be able to change them from
light gray to a dark color that is easier on my eyes which are extremely sensitive due to photophobia. So you are all caught up now 🙂

Dana

On Nov 29, 9:26 am, Alan Birchard wrote:

On Sat, 29 Nov 2008 11:08:28 +0100, "Fred" wrote:

The menu bar goes away if you press F a couple of times.

I’m perfectly aware of that, since the ancient version 5 I’ve been using for ten years does the same thing.  But you see, I don’t want the menu bar, and the taskbar, and the title bar and everything else to go away.  I want them not white.  That’s why there is a way to set system wide preferences.

You could adjust the brightness/contrast on the second monitor. But since you have no room, this is purely hypothetical.

Not only no room, no desire.  The issue is the Adobe programmers forcing white, not my lack of hardware or my lack of willingness to wear sunglasses while I paint.
—
Alan Birchard

I haven’t read every single thread here, but i think CS4 lets you color everything any way you want. I haven’t played with that much, but the Interface Preferences has a lot of color selections.

gary in Saint Petersburg, Florida

WANKER! Happy now, first time I’ve ever responded to a troll like you.

PDM
"Dave" wrote in message

On Mon, 1 Dec 2008 09:52:55 -0000, "PDM" <pdcm99minus this

Mike,
I didn’t read all of this thread, but from what I read early on, Alan Birchard got a lot of unhelpful and rude replies from certain quarters, so maybe his reaction is understandable. Unfortunately, he then let rip on others who were trying to help.

PDM

So, without reading all of this thread, you try to make a decision on what happened here. You confirm you only read certain writings and with that in your mind, you came to a conclusion.
Can anybody make such a fool of himself?
This is not worth replying to:-(

On Mon, 1 Dec 2008 16:20:00 -0000, "PDM" <pdcm99minus this

wrote:

WANKER! Happy now, first time I’ve ever responded to a troll like you.
PDM
"Dave" wrote in message

On Mon, 1 Dec 2008 09:52:55 -0000, "PDM" <pdcm99minus this

Mike,
I didn’t read all of this thread, but from what I read early on, Alan Birchard got a lot of unhelpful and rude replies from certain quarters, so maybe his reaction is understandable. Unfortunately, he then let rip on others who were trying to help.

PDM

So, without reading all of this thread, you try to make a decision on what happened here. You confirm you only read certain writings and with that in your mind, you came to a conclusion.
Can anybody make such a fool of himself?
This is not worth replying to:-(

wonder why somebody reposted this without adding something to it. Obvious an idiot trying out newsgroups, searching 4 the edit button.

On Mon, 01 Dec 2008 20:39:50 +0200, Dave wrote:

wonder why somebody reposted this without adding something to it. Obvious an idiot trying out newsgroups, searching 4 the edit button.

So you don’t like top posters. We get it. No need to pretend to not see it. That’s deceit and deceit is a LIE, just like when you said you’d LEAVE THIS THREAD, YOU SELF RIGHTEOUS RELIGIOUS KOOK HYPOCRITE. —
Alan Birchard

On Mon, 1 Dec 2008 07:45:15 -0800 (PST), "Self-meditating in Tampa, Florida USA" wrote:

i think CS4 lets you color everything any way you want.

Huh. And just when I was about to sell my CS3 and swear off everything Adobe for all eternity. If you’d be so kind as to confirm that you can make the palettes black in CS4, with a choice of colors for the text and icons on them, I’d appreciate your input a great deal and I’d go ahead and contact Adobe about an upgrade. The white menu bar would be my next question, and the white background of the help files after that, but for now the main thing eating my lunch is the white palettes.
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Alan Birchard

Dr. Awkward wrote:

In reply to pecan , who wrote:

Roy G wrote:

"Alan Birchard" wrote in message

Hi, I’m new and I’m not sure my posts are showing up, I’ve asked twice in alt.photoshop.windows and despite of a hundredd posts since, nobody has responded. Are my posts showing up?

I just finished installing Photoshop CS3 and I can’t figure out how to "undock" the palettes on the left, right, and top of the screen, and also, how to change the palettes’ background color from blinding, glaring, eye-burning white to a soothing color of my choice.
Please help, and thanks!
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Alan Birchard

I don’t have cs3 only cs2.

The Tools, History, Layers Palettes are mostly sort of beige.
The Drop downs for File, Edit, Image, etc are White, but I could hardly describe them as "Glaring White", and they are certainly not bright enough or on the screen long enough to cause any eye strain.

Could it be that you have your monitor set incorrectly?

You claim to be new, so you may not yet understand the need for Monitor Calibration and Profiling. This would reduce the White Colour Temperature to 6500K, and that should make it more acceptable for your eyes.
Roy G

I’m also very new to CS3 (1 week old) and I’m not sure if anyone will see this post, but I don’t have white glaring at me on my screen. Except for this email screen, that is. But my PS background is a grey colour, and if I open a new document I can specify a different background colour before I open the new document. Am I nuts, or what?

Hi Pecan, we are talking about the palettes where you see all of the tool icons and brushes and everything. I see from other posts in this thread that they are actually a very light gray but to me
they look white. Even so there is no apparent way to change them. They can be turned on and off with
the tab key but they can not be colored differently, at least I can’t find out how to do that. A couple people claim to be able to do it but they refuse to tell how. I wonder. Anyway another man even tried to look into the programming but to no avail. I would like to be able to change them from
light gray to a dark color that is easier on my eyes which are extremely sensitive due to photophobia. So you are all caught up now 🙂

Dana

Yes thanks.
🙂
And I’m relieved to know I can be seen!

"Roy G" wrote in message

"pecan" wrote in message

I’m also very new to CS3 (1 week old) and I’m not sure if anyone will see this post, but I don’t have white glaring at me on my screen. Except for this email screen, that is. But my PS background is a grey colour, and if I open a new document I can specify a different background colour before I open the new document. Am I nuts, or what?

Hi,

I rather suspect that the selectable background you mention is actually the background colour of the new image’s canvas.

Yes, Pecan’s thinking of the background color of the image being edited.

The SCREEN background (the area around the image being edited) can be changed as we showed early by using either the preferences (interface options) or by right-clicking on the screen background.

FWIW, CS4 has the same behavior – you can adjust the screen background color via a right-click, or via the preferences (Interface Options).

On the mac… dunno.

Well, the Mac has a lot (if not all) the controls for menus, appearance, some behavior, and so-forth in XML (readable/writeable data), so if there is someone Real Smart, perhaps he’ll show us how to get what some want.

I did find this burried in CS4. 🙂

http://www.digoliardi.net/mascot.jpg

Alan Birchard wrote:

On Mon, 1 Dec 2008 07:45:15 -0800 (PST), "Self-meditating in Tampa, Florida USA" wrote:

i think CS4 lets you color everything any way you want.

Huh. And just when I was about to sell my CS3 and swear off everything Adobe for all eternity. If you’d be so kind as to confirm that you can make the palettes black in CS4, with a choice of colors for the text and icons on them, I’d appreciate your input a great deal and I’d go ahead and contact Adobe about an upgrade. The white menu bar would be my next question, and the white background of the help files after that, but for now the main thing eating my lunch is the white palettes.
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Alan Birchard

Yep under preferences > interface

On Tue, 02 Dec 2008 10:50:31 +1100, Rob wrote:

Yep under preferences > interface

Rob, could I trouble you for a screenshot with the pallettes black, please?
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Alan Birchard

Alan Birchard wrote:

On Tue, 02 Dec 2008 10:50:31 +1100, Rob wrote:

Yep under preferences > interface

Rob, could I trouble you for a screenshot with the pallettes black, please?

Misunderstanding. It can’t be done with preferences > interface.

On Tue, 02 Dec 2008 07:06:38 -0600, John J wrote:

Alan Birchard wrote:

On Tue, 02 Dec 2008 10:50:31 +1100, Rob wrote:

Yep under preferences > interface

Rob, could I trouble you for a screenshot with the pallettes black, please?

Misunderstanding. It can’t be done with preferences > interface.

Rats. Thanks for the clarification, John.
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Alan Birchard

Alan Birchard wrote:

Hi, I’m new and I’m not sure my posts are showing up, I’ve asked twice in alt.photoshop.windows and despite of a hundredd posts since, nobody has responded. Are my posts showing up?

I just finished installing Photoshop CS3 and I can’t figure out how to "undock" the palettes on the left, right, and top of the screen, and also, how to change the palettes’ background color from blinding, glaring, eye-burning white to a soothing color of my choice.
Please help, and thanks!
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Alan Birchard

The palette, menu, background colours etc, are set by Windows not PS. Right click your desktop and select properties.
Select the appearance tab, the click advanced.
You can then select each individual aspect from the ‘Item’ dropdown and pick a colour you like.
Just had a go with black and green and it doesn’t work for me, I’ll stick with Windoze classic.

news wrote:

The palette, menu, background colours etc, are set by Windows not PS. Right click your desktop and select properties.
[…]

I think the OP wants to change the appearance of the palettes – for example the background to black. Changing Windows’ appearance does not have any effect upon those parts in Photoshop – at least on my computers.

"news" wrote in message

The palette, menu, background colours etc, are set by Windows not PS. Right click your desktop and select properties.
Select the appearance tab, the click advanced.
You can then select each individual aspect from the ‘Item’ dropdown and pick a colour you like.
Just had a go with black and green and it doesn’t work for me, I’ll stick with Windoze classic.

I cannot get the Photoshop CS3 palettes to change. What option am I missing?

(I sure had fun. Black type on a black background was rather exciting.)

Here – I think this is similar to what the OP wants.

See: http://www.digoliardi.net/images/oops.jpg

On Wed, 03 Dec 2008 07:41:24 +0000, news wrote:

The palette, menu, background colours etc, are set by Windows not PS.

Not the palettes. I appreciate that you’re trying to help, but you might want to read a bit more about what’s going on before you respond. This thread is about the palettes. (And the Help files, and the Menu bar.) As John already mentioned, Photoshop CS3 overrides the user’s choices and forces their own blinding eye strain choices. The palettes are extremely light gray with no way yet discovered to change them. The help files are white. The menu bar is white. A couple local chickenshits (Jurgen and KatWoman) claim to know how to change them but refuse to tell out of spite. They’re fond to my heart. They take me right back to second grade.
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Alan Birchard

On Wed, 3 Dec 2008 13:05:49 -0600, "John J" wrote:

(I sure had fun. Black type on a black background was rather exciting.)

Yeah man. As I mentioned, these Photoshop assholes forced black text and icons over ten years ago, and I spent months memorizing every single option and tickbox because they were all invisible on my black background. For ten years I have been using Photoshop 5 without being able to actually see the palettes I’m working with. Now with CS3 instead of growing up and fixing it they made it twice as bad with the forced white palettes.

Here – I think this is similar to what the OP wants.

See: http://www.digoliardi.net/images/oops.jpg

Yup. But apparently, not bloody likely.
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Alan Birchard

Alan Birchard wrote:

On Wed, 3 Dec 2008 13:05:49 -0600, "John J" wrote:

See: http://www.digoliardi.net/images/oops.jpg

Yup. But apparently, not bloody likely.

The word Bloody took my attention. Are you a Brit? I spent time in Oxford, Englan long ago – an experience that changed my life for the better.

On Wed, 03 Dec 2008 20:37:20 -0600, John J wrote:

Are you a Brit?

Nah, just a fan of Seinfeld. Jerry and Kramer get to arguing over who can do the best Cockney accent and their test phrase is "Not bloody likely!"

I spent time in Oxford, Englan long ago – an experience that changed my life for the better.

How so?
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Alan Birchard

"Alan Birchard" wrote in message

Hi, I’m new and I’m not sure my posts are showing up, I’ve asked twice in alt.photoshop.windows and despite of a hundredd posts since, nobody has responded. Are my posts showing up?

We don’t know. This isn’t alt.photoshop.windows

I just finished installing Photoshop CS3 and I can’t figure out how to "undock" the palettes on the left, right, and top of the screen,

Enter "undock palette" in your Help file’s Search box.

also, how to change the palettes’ background color from blinding, glaring, eye-burning white to a soothing color of my choice.

Calibrate your monitor.