Question about Monitors

On Wed, 10 Dec 2008 18:04:38 -0500, "Pam" wrote:

I currently have a Viewsonic Professional Series CRT monitor which is starting to go so I’m in the market for a new monitor. I’m an amateur Photoshop user so can’t justify (or afford) paying for a high-end monitor and need something which can get decent color. I have calibration software but consumer grade rather than professional. Is there a decent monitor I can get for under $500? Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

I use a Samsung SyncMaster 2253LW. I think I paid around $200, but it may have been more. It’s been awhile. Samsungs are usually well thought of by Photoshop users. Larger would be nicer, but isn’t that always the case?

Some will stay to stick with a CRT, but I like the flatscreen. Photoshop is not all that I do, and space is at a premium in my home office.

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Tony Cooper – Orlando, Florida

tony cooper wrote:

On Wed, 10 Dec 2008 18:04:38 -0500, "Pam" wrote:

I currently have a Viewsonic Professional Series CRT monitor which is starting to go so I’m in the market for a new monitor. I’m an amateur Photoshop user so can’t justify (or afford) paying for a high-end monitor and need something which can get decent color. I have calibration software but consumer grade rather than professional. Is there a decent monitor I can get for under $500? Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

I use a Samsung SyncMaster 2253LW. I think I paid around $200, but it may have been more. It’s been awhile. Samsungs are usually well thought of by Photoshop users. Larger would be nicer, but isn’t that always the case?

Some will stay to stick with a CRT, but I like the flatscreen. Photoshop is not all that I do, and space is at a premium in my home office.

You can’t buy low cost(new) CRT screens any more.
Samsung make the backlit panels for (of all firms) Ezio who make the high end monitors. Of course if you want to spent $2000 or so you can buy the Samsung equivalent but pretty much all Samsung and a few

Viewsonic LCD screens can work with a calibration system. Backlit ones are best but even the cheap LG screens are pretty good. They just lose the last step in black of a contrast wedge.

The display card is critical. If you are going to use Photoshop CS4, you’ll need a top end gamers card anyway. If you want all CS4’s performance that is. Be sure to use a DMI interface cable.

The monitor Tony suggests is middle of the road stuff and quite OK once calibrated. I have an old Samsung 710V I use to put Photoshop’s pallets and stuff on to give me more work space Even this old monitor calibrates up to a pretty decent color match.

Thank you, Tony and Jurgen. I appreciate your taking the time to help and you both have been very helpful. Thanks again.

Pam

On Thu, 11 Dec 2008 06:36:47 -0500, "Pam" wrote:

Thank you, Tony and Jurgen. I appreciate your taking the time to help and you both have been very helpful. Thanks again.

Pam

I have had the Samsung 213T for about 2 years and very happy with it running off an ATI Radeon 1950 video card..
It profiles fine with regards to color correction (using a Monaco EzOptix – predessor of the i1). Only problem I have is getting the brightness/luminosity right. The monitor has no contrast controls and to get the monitor image to look close to my printed image (Epson R800 and Artison 800 printers) I either have to make the monitor very dark or tweak the printer profiles.
Steve

"Steven Wandy" wrote in message

On Thu, 11 Dec 2008 06:36:47 -0500, "Pam" wrote:

Thank you, Tony and Jurgen. I appreciate your taking the time to help and you both have been very helpful. Thanks again.

Pam

I have had the Samsung 213T for about 2 years and very happy with it running off an ATI Radeon 1950 video card..
It profiles fine with regards to color correction (using a Monaco EzOptix – predessor of the i1). Only problem I have is getting the brightness/luminosity right. The monitor has no contrast controls and to get the monitor image to look close to my printed image (Epson R800 and Artison 800 printers) I either have to make the monitor very dark or tweak the printer profiles.
Steve

doesn’t your vid card have the adjustments in their gui?

download a better driver for the vid card
ATI has it

I use ati driver for radeon 300 card
you can adjust gamma and colors etc in there

my LCD is Samsung 971P
I like it- it has decent contrast ratio
can see all the steps of black
also
comes with software to calibrate it-contrast brightness gamma color bal etc and rotate

LCD do not have physical buttons controls like CRT did
but this one has a button to allow 5 different brightness by hitting the button
you can go from soft yellow warm light to simulate paper and right back to blueish bright white in one sec

make sure to buy a monitor with good contrast ratio
at least 1000:1

Thank you Steven and Katwoman. I’m cross-eyed from reading so many specs and reviews. I appreciate both of your comments.

Pam

"Pam" wrote in message

Thank you Steven and Katwoman. I’m cross-eyed from reading so many specs and reviews. I appreciate both of your comments.

Pam

nice to see a polite person here too Pam
you’re very welcome

Jurgen wrote:

The display card is critical. If you are going to use Photoshop CS4, you’ll need a top end gamers card anyway. If you want all CS4’s performance that is. Be sure to use a DMI interface cable.

Another fine example of crap from someone that’s ill informed and has themselves in strife – why offer it at all of you don’t know and don’t understand what your talking about.

Rob wrote:

Jurgen wrote:

The display card is critical. If you are going to use Photoshop CS4, you’ll need a top end gamers card anyway. If you want all CS4’s performance that is. Be sure to use a DMI interface cable.

Another fine example of crap from someone that’s ill informed and has themselves in strife – why offer it at all of you don’t know and don’t understand what your talking about.

Well seeing as you so eloquently show your own stupidity;

Jack Nack at Adobe is the source here:

"Very generally I can say you’ll want at least 128MB RAM on a card that’s Shader Model 3.0 and OpenGL 2.0 compatible. Of course, more brawn is always welcome, and if you anticipate working with numerous large documents and/or 3D, having 512MB RAM on your card is a good idea".

Last time I looked Pixel shader and OpenGL were "top end" gamers Video card specs. Rob, Next time put your brain into gear before you let all that shit in your head dribble out through your mount, will you?

Rob wrote:

Jurgen wrote:

The display card is critical. If you are going to use Photoshop CS4, you’ll need a top end gamers card anyway. If you want all CS4’s performance that is. Be sure to use a DMI interface cable.

Another fine example of crap from someone that’s ill informed and has themselves in strife – why offer it at all of you don’t know and don’t understand what your talking about.

I don’t have CS4 and fast graphic card, but if I am reading right about CS4 then I think you may need your head exam. But I may be wrong as I say I don’t have neither one, but from what I read.

"Joel" wrote in message

Rob wrote:

Jurgen wrote:

The display card is critical. If you are going to use Photoshop CS4, you’ll need a top end gamers card anyway. If you want all CS4’s performance that is. Be sure to use a DMI interface cable.

Another fine example of crap from someone that’s ill informed and has themselves in strife – why offer it at all of you don’t know and don’t understand what your talking about.

I don’t have CS4 and fast graphic card, but if I am reading right about CS4 then I think you may need your head exam. But I may be wrong as I say I
don’t have neither one, but from what I read.

I don’t have 4 but I do have a high-end gaming machine, which I chose at the recommendation of my most esteemed real-life puter guru. She explained that good graphics programs need the speed for quick redraws of all the calculations going on in PS et al. Makes sense to me, and I’ve used PhotoShop on lesser machines. It was painfully slow. So I guess the answer is, you don’t *need* the fast card, but one will sure make your life easier.

"Waterspider" wrote:

"Joel" wrote in message

Rob wrote:

Jurgen wrote:

The display card is critical. If you are going to use Photoshop CS4, you’ll need a top end gamers card anyway. If you want all CS4’s performance that is. Be sure to use a DMI interface cable.

Another fine example of crap from someone that’s ill informed and has themselves in strife – why offer it at all of you don’t know and don’t understand what your talking about.

I don’t have CS4 and fast graphic card, but if I am reading right about CS4 then I think you may need your head exam. But I may be wrong as I say I
don’t have neither one, but from what I read.

I don’t have 4 but I do have a high-end gaming machine, which I chose at the recommendation of my most esteemed real-life puter guru. She explained that good graphics programs need the speed for quick redraws of all the calculations going on in PS et al. Makes sense to me, and I’ve used PhotoShop on lesser machines. It was painfully slow. So I guess the answer is, you don’t *need* the fast card, but one will sure make your life easier.

That’s what I read about CS4 is taking advantage of 64-bit and fast graphic card to enjoy the extra speed. I usually upgrade to latest version but my health isn’t very good lately that I haven’t had much chance to play with CS3 so I won’t upgrade to CS4.

BTW, if I am not mistaken (even I have never been a game player to have fast graphic card) CS4 is the only version can benefit from fast graphic card.

"Joel" wrote in message

"Waterspider" wrote:

"Joel" wrote in message

Rob wrote:

Jurgen wrote:

The display card is critical. If you are going to use Photoshop CS4, you’ll need a top end gamers card anyway. If you want all CS4’s performance that is. Be sure to use a DMI interface cable.

Another fine example of crap from someone that’s ill informed and has themselves in strife – why offer it at all of you don’t know and don’t
understand what your talking about.

I don’t have CS4 and fast graphic card, but if I am reading right about CS4 then I think you may need your head exam. But I may be wrong as I say
I
don’t have neither one, but from what I read.

I don’t have 4 but I do have a high-end gaming machine, which I chose at the
recommendation of my most esteemed real-life puter guru. She explained that
good graphics programs need the speed for quick redraws of all the calculations going on in PS et al. Makes sense to me, and I’ve used PhotoShop on lesser machines. It was painfully slow. So I guess the answer
is, you don’t *need* the fast card, but one will sure make your life easier.

That’s what I read about CS4 is taking advantage of 64-bit and fast graphic card to enjoy the extra speed. I usually upgrade to latest version
but my health isn’t very good lately that I haven’t had much chance to play
with CS3 so I won’t upgrade to CS4.

BTW, if I am not mistaken (even I have never been a game player to have fast graphic card) CS4 is the only version can benefit from fast graphic card.

It made a noticable difference running CS2, comparing my office machine (average card) and my high performance pet at home. Night and day. Glad to hear I’m not the only one on this board running an "archaic" version of CS, but sorry to hear your health isn’t good. Hope it is resolved quickly and painlessly.
Myrwin

"Waterspider" wrote:

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I don’t have 4 but I do have a high-end gaming machine, which I chose at the
recommendation of my most esteemed real-life puter guru. She explained that
good graphics programs need the speed for quick redraws of all the calculations going on in PS et al. Makes sense to me, and I’ve used PhotoShop on lesser machines. It was painfully slow. So I guess the answer
is, you don’t *need* the fast card, but one will sure make your life easier.

That’s what I read about CS4 is taking advantage of 64-bit and fast graphic card to enjoy the extra speed. I usually upgrade to latest version
but my health isn’t very good lately that I haven’t had much chance to play
with CS3 so I won’t upgrade to CS4.

BTW, if I am not mistaken (even I have never been a game player to have fast graphic card) CS4 is the only version can benefit from fast graphic card.

It made a noticable difference running CS2, comparing my office machine (average card) and my high performance pet at home. Night and day. Glad to hear I’m not the only one on this board running an "archaic" version of CS, but sorry to hear your health isn’t good. Hope it is resolved quickly and painlessly.
Myrwin

It’s old-timer disease so I only hope it won’t get much or any worse. Actually it’s little better than little over a year ago, but still don’t have enough energy to enjoy Photoshoping like used to.

I just checked with the price of momboard, memory etc. and thinking about upgrading my older system to newer to enjoy the extra speed. It’s way too cheap these days, and I have been builting my own system for around 25+ years or so. Then I can shoot for CS4 and faster graphic card .. and I don’t care much for faster graphic card as it’s kinda expensive comparing to the whole system itself (I don’t know much about graphic card but seeing some costs around $200-250 a pop) <bg>