Printing and CS4

BF wrote:

I am trying to change the color of an open PSD file in CS4. After printing I wasn’t quite satisfied with the results and wanted to add a little blue. I made the adjustment but the print is the same. Nothing I do will change the print. I even went as far as turning off color management but it still does the same thing. I can not change the color. What am I missing?

What am I missing?

It’s possible that you

– Missing the monitor calibrating?

– Good hardware monitor calibrattor?

– Good printer profile?

BF wrote:

I am trying to change the color of an open PSD file in CS4. After printing I wasn’t quite satisfied with the results and wanted to add a little blue. I made the adjustment but the print is the same. Nothing I do will change the print. I even went as far as turning off color management but it still does the same thing. I can not change the color. What am I missing?

Are you using an Epson printer? My printer will print what it thinks is correct, sometimes. I don’t recall the exact term it uses. You have to turn it off in the printer preferences, not only in CS3, in my case. When you click on Print in CS4, does it say something like printer will control color management?

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JD..

JD wrote:

BF wrote:

I am trying to change the color of an open PSD file in CS4. After printing I wasn’t quite satisfied with the results and wanted to add a little blue. I made the adjustment but the print is the same. Nothing I do will change the print. I even went as far as turning off color management but it still does the same thing. I can not change the color. What am I missing?

Are you using an Epson printer? My printer will print what it thinks is correct, sometimes. I don’t recall the exact term it uses. You have to turn it off in the printer preferences, not only in CS3, in my case. When you click on Print in CS4, does it say something like printer will control color management?

I am using a Canon printer. CS4 like CS3 has the option to have the printer or CS4 color manage. What I don’t understand is if I make a change in color (like adding blue to the entire picture) it will not show up when I print it. It still looks like the original picture before the correction.

On Sat, 22 Aug 2009 23:37:12 -0400, BF wrote:

I am using a Canon printer. CS4 like CS3 has the option to have the printer or CS4 color manage. What I don’t understand is if I make a change in color (like adding blue to the entire picture) it will not show up when I print it. It still looks like the original picture before the correction.

From what you are saying, it sounds like you may be up against the laws of physics. Saturated bright blue is the hardest color to get right when printing. If you are already up against the limits of your printer technology, you’ll need to do a little horse-trading to make the blues look better in your image.

1) make the blue darker – this trick works particularly well for skies

2) make the rest of the image slightly warmer to bring out the blues better. Make sure that your image does not have a blue cast by measuring a neutral gray area and comparing RGB channel values.

3) make the blue lighter – certain subjects such as flowers, product shots, glass, and other items may look better, and bluer, if they are made lighter than in the original image.
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Mike Russell – http://www.curvemeister.com

Mike Russell wrote:

On Sat, 22 Aug 2009 23:37:12 -0400, BF wrote:

I am using a Canon printer. CS4 like CS3 has the option to have the printer or CS4 color manage. What I don’t understand is if I make a change in color (like adding blue to the entire picture) it will not show up when I print it. It still looks like the original picture before the correction.

From what you are saying, it sounds like you may be up against the laws of physics. Saturated bright blue is the hardest color to get right when printing. If you are already up against the limits of your printer technology, you’ll need to do a little horse-trading to make the blues look better in your image.

1) make the blue darker – this trick works particularly well for skies
2) make the rest of the image slightly warmer to bring out the blues better. Make sure that your image does not have a blue cast by measuring a neutral gray area and comparing RGB channel values.

3) make the blue lighter – certain subjects such as flowers, product shots, glass, and other items may look better, and bluer, if they are made lighter than in the original image.

Thanks for the reply Mike.
When my changes didn’t seem to be working I tried various combinations as an experiment. I made it very magenta and when I printed it still looked like the original. I am opening a PSD file and making the correction and it shows up as a new history state. Then I try to print but it seems to be printing the first history state which is when I opened it. I know this probably doesn’t make sense because it is hard to explain.

On Sun, 23 Aug 2009 00:33:06 -0400, BF wrote:

When my changes didn’t seem to be working I tried various combinations as an experiment. I made it very magenta and when I printed it still looked like the original. I am opening a PSD file and making the correction and it shows up as a new history state. Then I try to print but it seems to be printing the first history state which is when I opened it. I know this probably doesn’t make sense because it is hard to explain.

What you are saying makes complete sense. Are you keeping the file open and printing from within Photoshop?
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Mike Russell – http://www.curvemeister.com

Mike Russell wrote:

On Sun, 23 Aug 2009 00:33:06 -0400, BF wrote:

When my changes didn’t seem to be working I tried various combinations as an experiment. I made it very magenta and when I printed it still looked like the original. I am opening a PSD file and making the correction and it shows up as a new history state. Then I try to print but it seems to be printing the first history state which is when I opened it. I know this probably doesn’t make sense because it is hard to explain.

What you are saying makes complete sense. Are you keeping the file open and printing from within Photoshop?

Yes, I am keeping the file open and printing within Photoshop. I usually do a smaller test print and then do fine tweaks for the final print.

On Sun, 23 Aug 2009 00:33:06 -0400, BF wrote:

When my changes didn’t seem to be working I tried various combinations as an experiment. I made it very magenta and when I printed it still looked like the original. I am opening a PSD file and making the correction and it shows up as a new history state. Then I try to print but it seems to be printing the first history state which is when I opened it. I know this probably doesn’t make sense because it is hard to explain.

After you’ve made the color change that you wanted, duplicate the image, then, in the duplicate, flatten the image then print it and see what happens.

Talker

On Sun, 23 Aug 2009 03:30:31 -0700, Mike Russell
wrote:

On Sun, 23 Aug 2009 00:33:06 -0400, BF wrote:

When my changes didn’t seem to be working I tried various combinations as an experiment. I made it very magenta and when I printed it still looked like the original. I am opening a PSD file and making the correction and it shows up as a new history state. Then I try to print but it seems to be printing the first history state which is when I opened it. I know this probably doesn’t make sense because it is hard to explain.

What you are saying makes complete sense. Are you keeping the file open and printing from within Photoshop?

That’s my guess. He’s printing an open file with the original layer active.

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Tony Cooper – Orlando, Florida