Color Mode

RDOC found these unused words:

I am using Photoshop CS4, Lightroom 2 and I have a Nikon D80 camera. I am a user with medium experience and do photography strictly for my own enjoyment and as a hobby. What color mode do you suggest I set the camera on and also set the color settings on in Lightroom and Photoshop? I presently don’t shoot in Camera Raw but I adjust some jpegs in the camera raw software before going into Photoshop. I take all my photos into at least Photoshop and do some type of adjustment no matter how minor. Thanks

EVERY time you save [resave] a jpeg you LOSE quality.

If you -=must=- do something in the camera software, Save As .tif or another -=lossless=- format! Then open in PS.

Even if you just use PS, save your-=Master=- as .psd or .tif. Make a COPY as jpeg for emailing or whatever.

RDOC wrote:

I am using Photoshop CS4, Lightroom 2 and I have a Nikon D80 camera. I am a user with medium experience and do photography strictly for my own enjoyment and as a hobby. What color mode do you suggest I set the camera on and also set the color settings on in Lightroom and Photoshop? I presently don’t shoot in Camera Raw but I adjust some jpegs in the camera raw software before going into Photoshop. I take all my photos into at least Photoshop and do some type of adjustment no matter how minor. Thanks

I use RGB and I post RGB to web page too. And if you want the image looks better on web then save to sRGB

And I save to JPG but I shoot with hi-rez camera and save as highest quality (12), and usually don’t save more than twice (mostly once). I only save to PSD if I need to save the layer for later modification, never use TIF, and never have problem with JPG

On Sep 10, 8:55 pm, Joel wrote:

RDOC wrote:

I am using Photoshop CS4, Lightroom 2 and I have a Nikon D80 camera. I am a user with medium experience and do photography strictly for my own enjoyment and as a hobby. What color mode do you suggest I set the camera on and also set the color settings on in Lightroom and Photoshop? I presently don’t shoot in Camera Raw but I adjust some jpegs in the camera raw software before going into Photoshop. I take all my photos into at least Photoshop and do some type of adjustment no matter how minor. Thanks

I use RGB and I post RGB to web page too. And if you want the image looks better on web then save to sRGB

And I save to JPG but I shoot with hi-rez camera and save as highest quality (12), and usually don’t save more than twice (mostly once). I only save to PSD if I need to save the layer for later modification, never use TIF, and never have problem with JPG

Thanks Joel. I assume whatever Color Mode you use you set everthing, Camera and all software to the same color mode settings?

RDOC wrote:

On Sep 10, 8:55 pm, Joel wrote:

RDOC wrote:

I am using Photoshop CS4, Lightroom 2 and I have a Nikon D80 camera. I am a user with medium experience and do photography strictly for my own enjoyment and as a hobby. What color mode do you suggest I set the camera on and also set the color settings on in Lightroom and Photoshop? I presently don’t shoot in Camera Raw but I adjust some jpegs in the camera raw software before going into Photoshop. I take all my photos into at least Photoshop and do some type of adjustment no matter how minor. Thanks

I use RGB and I post RGB to web page too. And if you want the image looks better on web then save to sRGB

And I save to JPG but I shoot with hi-rez camera and save as highest quality (12), and usually don’t save more than twice (mostly once). I only save to PSD if I need to save the layer for later modification, never use TIF, and never have problem with JPG

Thanks Joel. I assume whatever Color Mode you use you set everthing, Camera and all software to the same color mode settings?

Just like Photoshop and some other software with optional, some camera has option to save as either RGB or sRGB, and Photoshop has no business messing up with whatever color mode of the photo, but it gives you the option to SET and option to save (change) to different color mode.

I don’t know if it happens to all versions of Photoshop or not, but some version when you try to combine (merge) 2 or more photo of different color mode it will give you some warning ask as you to switch or ignore.

I believe you are asking a question about color spaces.
There are truckloads of information on the web with illustrations about what color spaces are.
The two most common color spaces in use are sRGB and AdobeRGB. sRGB is a truncated version of AdobeRGB. JPEGS store images in sRGB by default: this is what the D80 does.
If you want to advance your image making capabilities set your camera to the AdobeRGB color space and start shooting with the camera set to record jpegs and raw images simultaneously.
The 8 bit jpeg algorithms in a camera processor discard a tremendous amount of image data. A common analogy is that a jpeg is drugstore print and a raw file is the actual negative. Which would you rather work with if you want to achieve your personal vision of what an image should look like? The D80 is capable of recording a greater color gamut/range than its jpeg algorithms will allow but only if the image is captured raw in the AdobeRGB color space.
Once you understand the basics of raw image processing, and again there are many good web based tutorials (e.g.
http://www.russellbrown.com/tips_tech.html) you may be quite surprised to see not only what you have been missing by relying on jpegs but be able to achieve results you never knew were possible. However in order to achieve those results you will also have to learn about monitor calibration and color management in the Adobe programs. It is not that difficult.

lebouef wrote:

I believe you are asking a question about color spaces.
There are truckloads of information on the web with illustrations about what color spaces are.
The two most common color spaces in use are sRGB and AdobeRGB. sRGB is a truncated version of AdobeRGB. JPEGS store images in sRGB by default: this is what the D80 does.
If you want to advance your image making capabilities set your camera to the AdobeRGB color space and start shooting with the camera set to record jpegs and raw images simultaneously.
The 8 bit jpeg algorithms in a camera processor discard a tremendous amount of image data. A common analogy is that a jpeg is drugstore print and a raw file is the actual negative. Which would you rather work with if you want to achieve your personal vision of what an image should look like? The D80 is capable of recording a greater color gamut/range than its jpeg algorithms will allow but only if the image is captured raw in the AdobeRGB color space.
Once you understand the basics of raw image processing, and again there are many good web based tutorials (e.g.
http://www.russellbrown.com/tips_tech.html) you may be quite surprised to see not only what you have been missing by relying on jpegs but be able to achieve results you never knew were possible. However in order to achieve those results you will also have to learn about monitor calibration and color management in the Adobe programs. It is not that difficult.

I believe you confuse sRGB and AdobeRGB with 8 bits and 14 bits. RAW files are 12 bits or 14 bits, that is what makes them hold so much more information. It is true that shooting in JPEG means you discard a lot of information, because JPEG only supports 8 bits. JPEG does support AdobeRGB color space however. Any modern DSLR camera can shoot JPEGs in AdobeRGB color space. You don’t need to shoot in RAW to use AdobeRGB in your workflow.

If you do shoot in RAW, the color space setting of your camera is irrelevant. That setting only applies to JPEG! The color space of a RAW image is set upon the conversion of the RAW data, so it’s set in Camera RAW, Lightroom, Aperture or whatever program you use to convert your RAW images.

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Johan W. Elzenga johan<<at>>johanfoto.nl Editor / Photographer http://www.johanfoto.com

On Sat, 12 Sep 2009 00:16:52 +0200, (Johan W.
Elzenga) wrote:

lebouef wrote:

I believe you are asking a question about color spaces.
There are truckloads of information on the web with illustrations about what color spaces are.
The two most common color spaces in use are sRGB and AdobeRGB. sRGB is a truncated version of AdobeRGB. JPEGS store images in sRGB by default: this is what the D80 does.
If you want to advance your image making capabilities set your camera to the AdobeRGB color space and start shooting with the camera set to record jpegs and raw images simultaneously.
The 8 bit jpeg algorithms in a camera processor discard a tremendous amount of image data. A common analogy is that a jpeg is drugstore print and a raw file is the actual negative. Which would you rather work with if you want to achieve your personal vision of what an image should look like? The D80 is capable of recording a greater color gamut/range than its jpeg algorithms will allow but only if the image is captured raw in the AdobeRGB color space.
Once you understand the basics of raw image processing, and again there are many good web based tutorials (e.g.
http://www.russellbrown.com/tips_tech.html) you may be quite surprised to see not only what you have been missing by relying on jpegs but be able to achieve results you never knew were possible. However in order to achieve those results you will also have to learn about monitor calibration and color management in the Adobe programs. It is not that difficult.

I believe you confuse sRGB and AdobeRGB with 8 bits and 14 bits. RAW files are 12 bits or 14 bits, that is what makes them hold so much more information. It is true that shooting in JPEG means you discard a lot of information, because JPEG only supports 8 bits. JPEG does support AdobeRGB color space however. Any modern DSLR camera can shoot JPEGs in AdobeRGB color space. You don’t need to shoot in RAW to use AdobeRGB in your workflow.

If you do shoot in RAW, the color space setting of your camera is irrelevant. That setting only applies to JPEG! The color space of a RAW image is set upon the conversion of the RAW data, so it’s set in Camera RAW, Lightroom, Aperture or whatever program you use to convert your RAW images.

To complicate things, Adobe Lightroom (which many of us use) uses ProPhoto RGB. Some of the color seen when working in Develop may not be seen when you print the photo.

Then there’s sending photos out for printing…

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Tony Cooper – Orlando, Florida