Color palette from another image

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primitivedogs
Jul 26, 2003
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What do you mean by split tone? You can adjust hue, saturation, color in PS. Scan the image you adjusted; scan the original; load them both into photoshop and play with the adjustments until they look similar and remember what you did.

I’m familiar with printing photos but I don’t know what you mean by split tone. Is it a tone applied to a bw photo like sepia tone?

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YrbkMgr
Jul 26, 2003
From what you describe it sounds like Duotone/spot channel or Sepia toning. I don’t have a photographers background and since Michael does, I’d defer to his "clarify what you mean" remark.

But if you ARE talking about, for example, Sepia toning, one, of the many many ways to achieve the effect, is to set your colors to their default (D-key), then Image|Adjustments|Hue/Saturation. In the dialog, click the box that says "colorize".

But as Michael says, we’d need more information to help more, and a BIG piece of information is "intent". Are these going to a print service or for web?

Peace,
Tony
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Alexis Neel
Jul 26, 2003
Ok, sorry I didn’t put an example. Here is one sample. (http://www.alexisneel.com/test/SplitTone.html) I have several other split tone variations, all of which I’d like to be able to duplicate, more or less. The images I want to apply this too will be output, maybe via Iris, and/or publications. More exapmles of what I’d like to start doing digitally can be seen on my site, www.alexisneel.com, under all the gallery’s except for the 2 Black and White ones. These were all done in the darkroom and I have the ideas for the new images (actually for a prospective job) but just don’t know how. I’m in the process of reading about PS, but need to complete theis test way before I’ll have these concepts.

Thanks for your help.

Alexis
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Alexis Neel
Jul 27, 2003
Tony,

Thanks for the help. Thats kind of the approach I want. If you saw the sample, its easy to do in the traditional way and I know where the colors are going to go (by the different densities of the print), so I’m hoping I can figure out the way to seperate the various "densities" and add the color to them. Like in "select/color range" where you can seperate the different tones, although I’ve just discovered that, so more play is needed with that. I liked what I could do in "adjustments/replace color" and adjustment/selective color" with the sliders, but finding the original colors, for a black and white image, is hard. I figured one way was to open the original image that had the colors, use the eye dropper tool to get the RGB amounts of eacy color I like, then transfer that to the new image. Now I will apply your advise.

I think what this poster is looking for, Tomas Soto "Color form Sepia Action" 7/26/03 9:03pm </cgi-bin/webx?50>, would also be of interest to me and what I would like to figure out.

Thanks again, and ifyou have any ideas, I’d love to hear them.

Alexis
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Bernie
Jul 27, 2003
Alexis,

This is a fairly detailed, and thus lengthy, description of a Photoshop process for you to transfer a color palette from one color image to another. I developed this procedure using Photoshop 5.0.2, but hopefully it will work with your version of Photoshop. We will refer to the image that has the color scheme you want to transfer as the "donor" image.

(1) First, you will use your "donor" image to create a custom Color Table that captures the desired artistic color scheme. Then you can apply this "artistic" custom Color Table to any image that you wish, and the resulting image will have only those color tones that could be dithered from that particular "artistic" color palette.

(2) To create your custom color table containing those artistic colors, load a copy of your "donor" image into Photoshop and convert it to indexed color via Image > Mode > Indexed Color and on the Indexed Color dialog window, select Palette as Adaptive, leave the Color Depth at 8 bits/pixel (256 colors) and check the Preview box, and for Dither select Diffusion (other selections for Dither might work as well at this stage) and for Color Matching choose "Best". For your case I don’t know whether Preserve Exact Colors should be checked or not, but for this time around, don’t check it. (You can experiment with that later.) Your image window will soon show a preview of the conversion of your donor image to this Indexed Color setup. OK to apply the change.

(3) Now we want to save the Color Table from this donor image. Menu-select Image > Mode > Color Table to open the Color Table dialog box with your Custom color table displayed. Hopefully 256 colors will be displayed, all of which come from your "donor" image.

If a bunch of the colors are black, that is OK, but they indicate room for additions to the table. If the color samples in the color table don’t place the emphasis where you want them, you might want to interrupt the process here and go back and edit your "donor" sample. Say, for example, you want more rose tones to appear in the color table. Just Rubberstamp some rose tones that already exist in your donor image over some of the other colors in the donor image. It doesn’t matter that you are messing up what the donor picture looks like. You are just trying to give some colors more "votes" in the color sampling process. When you think you have skewed the overall color balance in the right direction, save this "Donor Tones" image under a slightly different name and pick up back at Step (2).

(4) Now, let’s say the Color Table looks like a reasonable sample of the donor tone colors you want to use. Click the "Save…" button to open the Save dialog box. Enter a unique name, something like "ArtisticTones1", and click Save (the .ACT file extension will be added automatically.) OK the Color Table dialog to close it.

(5) Now, Open a color image that you wish to make more artistic. It should be in 8-bit RGB Image Mode at this point, and if it isn’t, convert it. Now let’s convert this image to Indexed Color, and apply your ArtisticTones1 color scheme in the process.

(6) Menu-select Image > Mode > Indexed Color… to open the Indexed Color dialog box and on it, for Palette: select Custom… to open the current Custom palette for your image. Click the "Load…" button to open the "Load" dialog box. Select the ArtisticTones1.ACT file (or ArtisticTones2.ACT file if you made an improved one) that you saved previously and click the Load button.

(7) Your selected Artistic Tones color scheme now appears as the current Custom color scheme. OK the Color Table dialog box to accept this color table and to close the dialog box. Now, on the Indexed Color dialog box, the checkmark in the Preview checkbox will have a little flashing underline under it to indicate that Photoshop is busy computing a preview of what your image will look like in this new color scheme.

Depending on how many pixels are in your image, this preview can take several minutes to prepare. It takes a while because Photoshop is doing a lot of work finding a way to best match all of your existing colors using just the colors in your more limited "ArtisticTones1" (or "ArtisticTones2") custom color scheme.

(8) You can wait for the preview to appear, at which time your image’s appearance will change very noticeably and the little flashing underline will disappear. Or, if you are impatient, you can just click OK to accept the change whatever it may be. I recommend you wait for the preview, because the change might be more drastic than you want, and you might want to Cancel and go back and generate an ArtisticTones2 custom color scheme.

(9) If the preview appears acceptable, click OK. Oddly, as soon as you click OK, the image will change noticeably from the preview version (at least it does in Photoshop 5.0.2.) If your zoom level is less than 100% the image may look pretty bad. Zoom in to 100% to see what it actually looks like. (Images in Indexed Color can change their appearance a lot with different zoom levels, but 100% zoom represents the "true" state of the image.) I think you will like the results of Diffusion Dither, but you might want to experiment with "None" for Dither for a posterized look.

(10) Although your image may look pretty good at this point, it is still in the 256-color Indexed Color image mode, with dithering giving the appearance of more color tones, so I recommend you change it back to 8-bit RGB and do something to blend the colors just a little. You could apply a touch of Gaussian Blur, or a little Filter>Noise>Median, or you could change to 16-bit RGB and do an Image Size Bicubic upsample or apply some Image>Adjust operations. There are a lot of ways you could apply a little "finish" to your "Artistic-ized" image.

If you have any questions about this procedure, feel free to ask. I am sure that improvements can be made to the procedure, but I have gotten some pretty good results with the process as described. Modifications to this procedure can produce a lot of interesting artistic image effects, ranging from enhanced duotones to super sepias to psychedelic effects. The real power of the process comes from the intensive color remapping that occurs when you convert to Indexed Color using a custom color table. The process is very versatile because there are so many ways in which you can make a custom color table. (If you investigate the mathematics of it you will see that the actual number of ways is super-astronomical.)

— Burton —
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YrbkMgr
Jul 27, 2003
Seconded… <golf clap>
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Alexis Neel
Jul 28, 2003
Thank you Burton. It is very detailed. I will give it a try and post the results here. Again, thanks for such an effort in your reply.

Alexis
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Bernie
Jul 29, 2003
Alexis,

You are welcome. If you have problems with the method, let us know. I or others might have some ideas how to solve them.

By using Photoshop’s compositing abilities to combine images, it would be possible to apply different color palettes to selected parts of a picture. Some of your images seemed to have areas of primarily black and white and other areas where color tints were a bit more noticeable. A print like that might benefit from two or more color palettes.

As for the color palettes themselves, I usually "home in on" a desired result in a trial-and-error process. I rarely achieve total success on the first try.

It is possible to build your own library of special color palettes for use with this method. I believe it is also possible to hand-edit a color palette, but that would be too tedious for my taste.

— Burton —

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