dialogbox is very large for 15" monitor with 800X600 resolotion

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aliseghat
Jun 6, 2005
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Hello work photoshop CS and use monitor 15" with 800×600 resolotion. but when any dialogboxs (for exam filter dialogbox) opened it is very large and go outside my monitor
and we can not move this large box with mouse and we can not see all box text and button! in other version of photoshop we have not any problem.
why your company do not find any solution for this problem? please help for some user that use small screen monitor!

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John Joslin
Jun 6, 2005
If you look at the system requirements you will see that they are for a resolution of 1024 x 768 or greater. Without that you should not have bought it!
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aliseghat
Jun 6, 2005
My monitor support 1280X1024px but 800X600 is suitable for eyes! because 1024*768 or greater is very small for eye’s health if use in 15′ monitors for exam fonts & icons be very small in this resolotion at monitor 15" ! (ergonomics factor)
many graphic artists still use 15"CRT monitor and many use 14" & 15" LCD! An useful program must support all inuse PC systems!
But i bought photoshop because it is the best!
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Pierre_Courtejoie
Jun 6, 2005
"An useful program must support all inuse PC systems! "

So if somebody has still an very old machine with a VGA monitor in 16 colors, Photoshop should support it?

Every software has system requirements, even at the time of 486 processors… 1024 x 768 is quite small, I guess they choose this res for the laptops.
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Curvemeister
Jun 6, 2005
Although I agree it would be nice if Adobe gave more thought to smaller screen systems, at least for now they don’t. I hope this will change because many people with less than perfect vision are enthusiastic photographers and Photoshop customers

For now, one solution would be to use a virtual desktop, which uses scrolling to simulate a larger monitor.

There are other accessibility related utilities available in XP itself, and listed at the Microsoft site.

Run the XP Easy Access Manager to see what your system has availagle, and to get the link to the web page.

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Jim_Oblak
Jun 6, 2005
While Adobe is specifying minimum pixel dimensions, it is assumed that no designer would actually be using a monitor as small as yours.

many graphic artists still use 15"CRT monitor and many use 14" & 15" LCD!

I’ve not met any. I cannot imagine anyone working on a resolution/screen that small with the past few Photoshop releases.

You need a larger monitor that supports Adobe’s recommended minimum resolution and at a good refresh rate (if it is CRT) to avoid eye strain.

If preventing eye strain and general vision health is important to you, you should not be using such a small montior, even at 800×600.
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dave_milbut
Jun 6, 2005
If preventing eye strain and general vision health is important to you, you should not be using such a small montior, even at 800×600.

agreed.
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Dana_Gartenlaub
Jun 7, 2005
First of all, if you’re using an older monitor, you won’t have the ability to use color management properly. I suggest that you check out the LaCie 19" CRT monitors, they are not so expensive and they are dedicated graphics monitors.

If the monitor can’t be properly calibrated, you’re going to wast a lot of time with colors no matter what resolution you use!
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Curvemeister
Jun 7, 2005
Life is not perfect, and yet most of us lead good lives. Our monitors need not be perfect either, for us to produce good and even excellent images.

In general a monitor can be set up just fine with Adobe Gamma and a little time. Calibration can even be overkill and a waste of time for a single person operation, where the money for a colorimeter could be better spent elsewhere.

Mike Russell
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aliseghat
Jun 7, 2005
thanks for all reply to my topic
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shawnlyman
Jun 7, 2005
I don’t want to offend anyone with poor eyesight. I myself wear contacts and I am sure I will also have issues as I age. Many Photoshop users are into photography. But a 15" monitor is a terrible size to use if you have issues with the size and details of a 15" monitor at a very low 1024×768 resolution. And 800×600 is just unacceptable on any size monitor.

I would highly recommend a 21" or larger CRT monitor and have it set to a bare minimum of 1280×960 or 1280×1024. CRT is very affordable and 1280×1024 will look even larger than your 800×600 does on a 15" monitor.

It would be a silly thing for Adobe or any software designer to create software for anything lower than 1024×768. And poor eyesight is by far the worst excuse for using 800×600 resolution. Especially with the cost of very large 21"+ CRT monitors being so low.

The best thing you could do for your eyes AND PhotoShop useability (and all computer creativity), is to get a larger monitor suitable for your eyesight.

Even if all apps were designed to have easy GUI’s with low 800×600 screens, you would not be able to avoid the huge amount of scrolling, panning, and zooming you would have to do in order to effectively use Photoshop.

Another reason I recommend a CRT (other than cost) is that you have more flexibility on using lower resolutions like 1280×1024. Many LCDs at 21" are native 1600×1200 and while that would most likely give you the same size per inch as your 15" at 800×600, why not have the option of really large icons and text while still enjoying the higher resolution of 1280×1024 instead of a terrible 800×600.

Anyways. The designers were kind enough to base the gui on a tiny 1024×768 resolution which is really stretching it if you ask me. Not only should the latest PS not focus on very old hardware, but poor eyesight is an extremely good reason to get a larger monitor.

Personally, that is like having old glasses and then asking sign makers to make the signs bigger instead of getting an updated prescription. Again no offense, I too have terrible vision.
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Sandra_Hardt
Jun 8, 2005
My issue is related but in the opposite direction! I purchased a new laptop computer with a high resolution monitor and the tools of CS appeared very tiny on the screen. WHen I lowered the resolution the photographs appeared distorted. Any suggestions?
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Phosphor
Jun 8, 2005
Laptops have LCD monitors.

LCD monitors display their images at best quality when viewed using native resolution. Changing the resolution from native—if you can do it at all—is not recommended.

If you use your laptop regularly as your primary computer while sitting at a desk, you may want to look into getting a second, larger monitor.

And don’t discount seeing your opthamologist for a special pair of prescription lenses for use while working at your computer. They can be an immense help.
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tmalcom
Jun 8, 2005
And don’t discount seeing your opthamologist for a special pair of prescription lenses for use while working at your computer. They can be an immense help.

Absolutely! It’s well worth the expense to get a pair of dedicated computer glasses. My ophtalmologist worked with me to get the optimal prescription and the right focal length for looking at the monitor and the difference was amazing. The glasses ended up being much different from my regular ones. I’ve since switched to multi-focal contacts and they work even better.
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shawnlyman
Jun 13, 2005
Definately. LCDs have 1 set resolution. As already mentioned, some hardware will let you change the resolution but it is resampling your screen to appear as a different resolution when in fact it is the same resolution. This causes distortion. Personally I don’t know why they bother to let you change the LCD resolution when it well known it will cause distortion.

As already suggested, use an external monitor on your laptop if you need to do graphic "photoshop" work.

Also, when buying a new laptop, if you have poor eyesight, make sure to get a regular SVGA screen with 1024×768 resolution so that you have larger viewing at the native resolution for when you are on the road.

And the "computer" glasses is also a great suggestion.
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Robert_Enns
Jun 13, 2005
Yes, yes, yes. Computer glasses make a world of difference. Luckily I can use mine for piano and organ work also so it is absolutely worth any money considerations.
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matt_charlton
Jun 13, 2005
Also did you know you can change the resolution to 1024x 7** and then just change the settings so that fonts and etc appear larger. Do this in your display settings.
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shawnlyman
Jun 13, 2005
Matt brings up a good point. You can set your LCS screen to it’s native resolution, which is probably 1280×1024 or higher on your new laptop. (or still might be 1024×768). And then you can change the DPI setting which will cause fonts and icons to appear larger using your native resolution.

But be forwarned. Doing this will cause dialog boxes to be very large and sometimes hard to manage.

The setting is under:
Display Properties->Settings tab->Advanced button->General tab. You will then see a drop down box with it set to "Normal 96dpi". It you set it to a larger DPI you can try out the larger icons and text while keeping your native LCD resolution, giving non-distorted results. Again, I personally don’t like how it affects dialog boxes, etc.
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dave_milbut
Jun 14, 2005
don’t go from normal to larger in settings> etc.> advanced. you’ll have problems with dialogs in cs and cs2. change the font size in display> properties> appearance if you have to.
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Shawn_Lyman
Jun 14, 2005
Yes, that is why I gave a warning. But just changing the font size under Appearance will not affect most of windows and will also not affect most aspects of applications. Changing the DPI affects everything and is the most effective.

But the best solution as mentioned, is still a seprate set of computer glasses or a larger monitor.

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