Workflow for web pages

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Derek Fountain
Jan 12, 2004
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I’ve used PS7.01 for some work with some images from my digital camera. Working with sRGB, the images look just as I want them to using Mozilla on the Windows box I created them on. I (think I) understand the concepts behind colour managed applications like PS and non colour managed ones like Mozilla. Mozilla shows what I want to see.

As it happens my monitor has two inputs, and the second input is connected to my Linux box. When I look at the images using Mozilla on the Linux box, the images are darker – quite significantly so. So what, I ask myself, is the difference between looking at the images using Moz under Windows and looking at the same images, on the same monitor, using the same application on Linux? The answer, I’m guessing, is the Adobe Gamma utility. When Windows boots the screen switches to a lighter display, which I’ve always assumed is the gamma utility kicking in.

Given that my monitor and printer are in broad agreement about colours (my prints look mostly like the screen), I’m loathe to tweak that gamma setting. I do everything in sRGB, so I’d have thought the Linux view of my images would pretty much match the Windows view. And I think it would, except that the gamma utility is making my Windows display lighter than sRGB. Linux doesn’t understand colour management, so I’d consider the Linux display to be "bog standard" and similar to any other display used by the people who are going to look at my images.

I’d like to be able to see, under Windows, the images like they’ll be seen on Linux, or on any other display unaffected by Adobe Gamma. So where is the flaw in my workflow (or thinking)?

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Waldo
Jan 12, 2004
I think it is a Linux problem (saying that as a Microsoft hater…), try google to find a tool like Adobe Gamma. I wouldn’t recommend disabling Adobe Gamma (unless you’re using other software for that purpose of course).

Waldo

"Derek Fountain" wrote in message
I’ve used PS7.01 for some work with some images from my digital camera. Working with sRGB, the images look just as I want them to using Mozilla on the Windows box I created them on. I (think I) understand the concepts behind colour managed applications like PS and non colour managed ones
like
Mozilla. Mozilla shows what I want to see.

As it happens my monitor has two inputs, and the second input is connected to my Linux box. When I look at the images using Mozilla on the Linux box, the images are darker – quite significantly so. So what, I ask myself, is the difference between looking at the images using Moz under Windows and looking at the same images, on the same monitor, using the same
application
on Linux? The answer, I’m guessing, is the Adobe Gamma utility. When Windows boots the screen switches to a lighter display, which I’ve always assumed is the gamma utility kicking in.

Given that my monitor and printer are in broad agreement about colours (my prints look mostly like the screen), I’m loathe to tweak that gamma setting. I do everything in sRGB, so I’d have thought the Linux view of my images would pretty much match the Windows view. And I think it would, except that the gamma utility is making my Windows display lighter than sRGB. Linux doesn’t understand colour management, so I’d consider the
Linux
display to be "bog standard" and similar to any other display used by the people who are going to look at my images.

I’d like to be able to see, under Windows, the images like they’ll be seen on Linux, or on any other display unaffected by Adobe Gamma. So where is the flaw in my workflow (or thinking)?
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Derek Fountain
Jan 12, 2004
I think it is a Linux problem (saying that as a Microsoft hater…), try google to find a tool like Adobe Gamma. I wouldn’t recommend disabling Adobe Gamma (unless you’re using other software for that purpose of course).

But wouldn’t the problem apply to anyone viewing my web pages on Windows who isn’t running Abode Gamma? i.e. most people?

AFAICS the problem is that I’m using Adobe Gamma when creating images which will be viewed (on all sorts of platforms) without it.
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Uwe Ziegenhagen
Jan 12, 2004
Derek Fountain wrote:

I think it is a Linux problem (saying that as a Microsoft hater…), try google to find a tool like Adobe Gamma. I wouldn’t recommend disabling Adobe Gamma (unless you’re using other software for that purpose of course).

But wouldn’t the problem apply to anyone viewing my web pages on Windows who isn’t running Abode Gamma? i.e. most people?

AFAICS the problem is that I’m using Adobe Gamma when creating images which will be viewed (on all sorts of platforms) without it.

It may also be a problem of the monitor (color temperature, etc.) Try to switch the monitors and see what happens.

I am using two different monitors with one PC (Dualhead), there are significant differences.

Uwe
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Waldo
Jan 13, 2004
But wouldn’t the problem apply to anyone viewing my web pages on Windows
who
isn’t running Abode Gamma? i.e. most people?

AFAICS the problem is that I’m using Adobe Gamma when creating images
which
will be viewed (on all sorts of platforms) without it.

True, but your prints will probably differ quite a lot from your screen in that case.

For designing webpages, you might disable color management. I found that too much work and didn’t bother, I convert all my "web art" to sRGB and do nothing else. If it shows up differently (it will), so be it. I just can’t expect all people to have knowledge about color.

Waldo
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Alvie
Jan 13, 2004
I know exactly what the problem is.
For years I put up with just making my MAC images washed out and lifeless so that Windows users could see them as they really were. The Adobe gamma is like a monitor profile. The monitor profile is used by Windows at boot time. Why would you need 2 programs to manage the monitor? You don’t!

Try switching off the colour management altogether. The printer profile is applied by Windows at print time. This (for the most part) over rides all your colour settings anyway. You’ll find more conflicting advise in comp.graphics.apps.Photoshop but at the end of it all… Something is wrong with your colour management if you are the only one able to see your work as it should be.

ABC

"Derek Fountain" wrote in message
I’ve used PS7.01 for some work with some images from my digital camera. Working with sRGB, the images look just as I want them to using Mozilla on the Windows box I created them on. I (think I) understand the concepts behind colour managed applications like PS and non colour managed ones
like
Mozilla. Mozilla shows what I want to see.

As it happens my monitor has two inputs, and the second input is connected to my Linux box. When I look at the images using Mozilla on the Linux box, the images are darker – quite significantly so. So what, I ask myself, is the difference between looking at the images using Moz under Windows and looking at the same images, on the same monitor, using the same
application
on Linux? The answer, I’m guessing, is the Adobe Gamma utility. When Windows boots the screen switches to a lighter display, which I’ve always assumed is the gamma utility kicking in.

Given that my monitor and printer are in broad agreement about colours (my prints look mostly like the screen), I’m loathe to tweak that gamma setting. I do everything in sRGB, so I’d have thought the Linux view of my images would pretty much match the Windows view. And I think it would, except that the gamma utility is making my Windows display lighter than sRGB. Linux doesn’t understand colour management, so I’d consider the
Linux
display to be "bog standard" and similar to any other display used by the people who are going to look at my images.

I’d like to be able to see, under Windows, the images like they’ll be seen on Linux, or on any other display unaffected by Adobe Gamma. So where is the flaw in my workflow (or thinking)?

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