True Preparation

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maese
Jun 11, 2005
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Dear Friends:

I like to think of myself as a graphic designer. When I have to fill some form, that is the profession I like to search for. But frankly, that is just because I know is unreasonable expecting to find "Photoshop user" (or InDesign, Illustrator user, for that matter) in the same field. This is my first topic. I am usually lurking in this forum because "just reading" all the interesting topics that one can find here is too time consuming, but mainly because reading posts from Jeff Schewe or Chris Cox, people whose names I know and respect, truly "last word freaks" makes me feel somewhat inferior. When they say that Photoshop is, say, ebony (the color) it does not matter if I have been seeing it red for the last eleven years (I use ps since 1994), I have to force myself to see it under a different light, until I train myself to see it ebony: they know better.

When I first read the "Adobe Photoshop – User guide & Tutorial (Version 2.5 for Windows)", I knew I was a beginner user. Then I read the "Classroom in a Book" for ps3 and I was proficient, mostly because I am curious. Then I started working and gaining experience. When I started browsing the web (1997), Adobe was my home page, so I found terribly easy passing the ACE test for ps5. Seven years later, I have bought three Deke McClelland’s Bibles (ps6, ps7 & ps cs) not just because he is so fun to read but because I have been teaching half of this time.

As a graphic designer, things are different. Even when I see here how much there is to learn in Photoshop (color management, dng, camera raw to name a few), willing as I am to buy more books (say, Katrin Eastmann’s), I feel that the technical side is not what I miss the most. I know clearly when to use a path and when to use a mask, the formats that this choice implies; I find obvious when to save in jpeg and when to choose a gif and its impact on the file size, too; finally, I recognize immediately when a site is no more than a lot of filters and eye candy tackily stacked over text and photos. Well, I want my knowledge to be this authoritative from the artistic side. I would like to know about the finest places where I could acquire this kind of preparation, where do you go when you want a Degree in Graphic Design, or a Master, even if you can be a Ph.D in Graphic Design.

Please, do not question my vision. I could settle for a Photoshop/prepress operator/teacher but I am not fulfilled with this side, complex as it is. I hope that some of you already have this preparation and I would like to know where did you get it: even if I cannot afford it right away (probably), I would have set an academic goal. In fact, I think this absence what makes difficult to distinguish between a professional work and what is perpetrated in so many websites. I ask you for options, but also for a minute of reflection about how underrated this need usually is.

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Kingdom
Jun 11, 2005
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Dear Friends:

I like to think of myself as a graphic designer. When I have to fill some form, that is the profession I like to search for. But frankly, that is just because I know is unreasonable expecting to find "Photoshop user" (or InDesign, Illustrator user, for that matter) in the same field. This is my first topic. I am usually lurking in this forum because "just reading" all the interesting topics that one can find here is too time consuming, but mainly because reading posts from Jeff Schewe or Chris Cox, people whose names I know and respect, truly "last word freaks" makes me feel somewhat inferior. When they say that Photoshop is, say, ebony (the color) it does not matter if I have been seeing it red for the last eleven years (I use ps since 1994), I have to force myself to see it under a different light, until I train myself to see it ebony: they know better.

When I first read the "Adobe Photoshop – User guide & Tutorial (Version 2.5 for Windows)", I knew I was a beginner user. Then I read the "Classroom in a Book" for ps3 and I was proficient, mostly because I am curious. Then I started working and gaining experience. When I started browsing the web (1997), Adobe was my home page, so I found terribly easy passing the ACE test for ps5. Seven years later, I have bought three Deke McClelland’s Bibles (ps6, ps7 & ps cs) not just because he is so fun to read but because I have been teaching half of this time.

As a graphic designer, things are different. Even when I see here how much there is to learn in Photoshop (color management, dng, camera raw to name a few), willing as I am to buy more books (say, Katrin Eastmann’s), I feel that the technical side is not what I miss the most. I know clearly when to use a path and when to use a mask, the formats that this choice implies; I find obvious when to save in jpeg and when to choose a gif and its impact on the file size, too; finally, I recognize immediately when a site is no more than a lot of filters and eye candy tackily stacked over text and photos. Well, I want my knowledge to be this authoritative from the artistic side. I would like to know about the finest places where I could acquire this kind of preparation, where do you go when you want a Degree in Graphic Design, or a Master, even if you can be a Ph.D in Graphic Design.
Please, do not question my vision. I could settle for a
Photoshop/prepress operator/teacher but I am not fulfilled with this side, complex as it is. I hope that some of you already have this preparation and I would like to know where did you get it: even if I cannot afford it right away (probably), I would have set an academic goal. In fact, I think this absence what makes difficult to distinguish between a professional work and what is perpetrated in so many websites. I ask you for options, but also for a minute of reflection about how underrated this need usually is.

Learning is an essential, teaching is a must but output is the objective!


The problem with the world is that everyone is a few drinks behind.
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YrbkMgr
Jun 11, 2005
Have you considered the following?

There is an argument to be made that suggests you can pursue an "academic" degree in Graphic Design, but that doesn’t make you a Graphic Designer.

However, getting a degree in Graphic Design is certainly an option. I would imagine that it would be quite easy to seek out a local educational instution that delvered that degree.

But when you say…

I would like to know about the finest places where I could acquire this kind of preparation

If you are speaking about where on the web, one can go, or classes one can take that will really make one a graphic designer, let us all know. In my opinion, after years of experience, I learn just how much it is I don’t know. So you may be referring to a lifetime quest <shrug>. Why do you think they call a Ph.D. a Doctor of Philosopy? <smile>.

That said, if you’re looking for more interesting places to visit for inspiration or education, define what you’re looking for (what is Grapic Design?)and there are many in this forum who can provide some direction in terms of links.

Peace,
Tony
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Don_McCahill
Jun 11, 2005
Some more academic options … many people going on from a Bachelor degree in graphic design go to a Master of Fine Arts (MFA) and this is generally the step towards becoming a full time professor.

As far as the best school for Graphics, I consider Rochester Institute of Technology as one of the leaders. There are some fine Art schools as well that have good reputations.

Don
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Christine_Krof_Shock
Jun 11, 2005
Also RIT has an online Masters in Print technology…I am considering it even though it is pricey!
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deebs
Jun 11, 2005
deebs has his 2 cents worth too:

If a graphics designer is one making a living out of graphics design that isn’t the same as one studying graphics design eg being a student of graphic design is not the same as making a professional income out of graphics design.

However, in technocratic societies there are often demarcations (limits) where an incredible ability in graphics design cannot be fully remunerated because a prerequisite trade qualification is not there.

This situation is sometimes described as the "accreditation society" typified by a practice of gifts and talents are not recognised by themselves alone unless there is a formal, stamped and signed piece of paper to say so.

It gets complicated …
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Dana_Gartenlaub
Jun 12, 2005
I wonder if it’s still possible to "apprentice" with a skilled graphics designer like most photographers work for a skilled pro to learn the art and business of photography? In my not especially humble opinion, that sysem is one of the best for realy learning a craft.

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