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I hate the idea of splitting the app into a regular and pro version just to justify soaking us for more $$$ for the cooler features. that’s what the diff between elements and photoshop is supposed to be! i’m gonna be royally pissed if it’s significantly more after shelling out for the full version of 6 and every frikking upgrade since then they tell me i’m second rate unless i pony up (guestimating) another 50 or 100 bux (on top of the "standard" upgrade price of 149-169) for a "pro" version of the app i signed up for! 20 or 30 bux and i’d bitch and moan buy buy it anyway. more than that and i’m going to have to really think about it.
Sounds like more BS about CS from Adobe. I sure wouldn’t buy it right off until it gets an A rating since it seems they have given up issuing updates and patches. I have been very disappointed in CS2
"…but should it require two different forums, I’d bet my shirt on many, many posts ending up in the wrong one!"
Nahhhh…really. Ya think? Maybe if there was a bold, bright red, somersaulting bit of text announcing which forum was which, and then, when someone attempted to post a message it would automatically email the poster and ask : "Are you sure you wanna do put that thing there…"
Even if that worked, we’d all still be ripping our hair out at the "My Adobe is broke…" threads.
Looking at it for a slightly different perspective, if you could get an upgrade with all the features you need but without some you would never, ever require, and get it for LESS, wouldn’t that be attractive?
if it was in elements? sure. len, we’ve been told all along that elements is the "home" or "amature" version of ps. you can’t actually be defending splitting photoshop into two versions now. so then we’d have a home user version, a pro "idiot’s" version, and a pro "professional" version. just a money grab in my opinion. it’s like changing the rules of the game in the middle.
If it allowed one version to run upon machines with a bit less ‘grunt’ than 2 or more gigs of RAM, a 64-bit O/S, a CPU clocked so high that it requires liquid nitrogen cooling <g> and a terabyte of drive space, when the ‘pro’ version required such a spec, wouldn’t that be attractive to many users?
isn’t that called photoshop elements?
These days, every keen amateur photographer feels that a copy of Photoshop is as vital as a camera! But they don’t necessarilly feel that spending as much on the machine to run it as they do on their high end camera is a good investment.
E-L-E-M-E-N-T-S
I can see some logic in the rumored approach, but should it require two different forums, I’d bet my shirt on many, many posts ending up in the wrong one!
with what, like 5 extra features in the pro version? why in the world you require a seperate version for that? except not to make the idiot version users feel like idiots.
since the article said they’re still evaluating the decision, i hope that they really think this through. personally i think it’s BS. and i hope that makes it to the bean counters who are "evaluating".
You missed the drift – I see it more likely that an enhanced Elements would be renamed ‘Photoshop’ and an updraded Photoshop being renamed ‘Photoshop Pro’
I don’t see it that way as elements 4 was just released (or will be soon? i’m getting adobe mail on it.)
if that were the case and ps pro would be the same as the standard ps upgrade we’ve all come to know and love, then i withdraw my objections and crave pardon for my rashness, but i don’t think that’s it.
Unfortunately I think this will be resolved by beancounter analysis
a) is the present commercial model a success (basically: are sales continually increasing?)
YES = keep the same model as it costs too much to revamp the production lines
NO = OK! Rethink time!
and b) can recent acquisitions be built in or bolted on without too much pain?
YES = as above NO = as above
c) can the market support extra bolt-ons as additionality with additional costs? YES = roughly the same as above NO = also roughly the same as above
Additionality ~ organisations owning and purchasing both MM and Adobe products paid 2 lots of costs. Even a modest reduction to 1 lot of costs plus a little bit equates to real world cost reduction (but it would be nice if Macromedia stuff were bolted in at no additional cost at all 8) )
I use another software package that was recently split into Standard and Pro versions. All the original, pre-split, license holders were able to upgrade to the pro version at no cost.
I’m sure Adobe will make the same offer to us, right?
What really frys my bacon is that I’m sure that I will have to upgrade to the pro version since I send files to press… if I upgrade at all. I used PS4 and PS6 for a combined 7 years, and I was quite happy doing so. I think I can squeeze several years out of CS, maybe even long enough to make retirement.
I’m sure Adobe will make the same offer to us, right?
that’s an interesting thought and would go pretty far towards ameliorating my concerns. at least new buyers would know what their choices are going in, and old buyers would still have the "pro" version of adobe’s top image editing software, which is what they bought when they signed up for the long haul.
adobe has always been excellent with their licensing and upgrade policies. i’d hate that to change to a more quark like stance.
Another bean counter analysis should make allowance for shifts in the product purchasing base. An increasing volume of sales in noncommercial enthusiast/hobbyist market should equate to a value added initiative. It’s important IMHO to keep that on a roll
I guess we will have to wait to see for sure but the state of the market suggests to moi that a value-added bundle feature as top of marketing initiatives 8)
Let’s get this straight. Everybody (for years) has upgraded at below $200. Time goes on, not too many new $600 buyers any more. Adobe has to meet Wall St. expectations (so their portfolio is something more than from Office Max cardboard). Sixteen guys and gals (including two bean counters) are in a room. The product is not on the agenda. You are. Slice and dice, as most participants are 20-30 somethings and have no idea. What to do, it’s 2005 and the original innovations are gone (mostly). What to do, again. Easy lets see how we can get somewhere between PS and Elements for the amateur to have a step up to PS although someone has already solved that with the original setup. Lets follow that original game plan since it worked once (and since we have no clue what to do). Meeting over, done deal. Now down to the ping pong table, lets have fun.
Oh… the product… next meeting, after the skateboard contest.
The rumor site got it all wrong. There’s going to be a point-five upgrade (CS2.5) that will cost half the price of a full point upgrade, which will include fixing half the bugs and add five or six new features. Then there will be the full-point upgrade (CS3.0) six months to a year later that will fix have the remaining bugs and half the new ones, add ten new features, and cost the full upgrade tariff. (Of course, it’s entirely possible that the full-point upgrade will also create new classes, such as Standard, Premium, Pro, Premium Pro, and Ultimate, all for different upgrade prices!)
(For the humor deprived, this is (I hope) just a parody.
