PS CS comment

Conrad Weiler wrote:

Received e-mail from Fred Fost about PS CS. Fred is an excellent nature photographer and Philosophy Professor for Linfield College.

Wow. A Philosophy Professor. That obviously makes him a Photoshop expert. 😉

"The upgrade was really worth it! The Shadow/Highlight function is fantastic! I am re-editing many of my files with this marvelous addition to the application."

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Johan W. Elzenga johan<<at>>johanfoto.nl Editor / Photographer http://www.johanfoto.nl/

Johan W. Elzenga wrote:

Conrad Weiler wrote:

Received e-mail from Fred Fost about PS CS. Fred is an excellent nature photographer and Philosophy Professor for Linfield College.

Wow. A Philosophy Professor. That obviously makes him a Photoshop expert. 😉

In comparison to most academics I know he probably is, most of them can barely use a computer
let alone photoshop!

Stuart

"The upgrade was really worth it! The Shadow/Highlight function is fantastic! I am re-editing many of my files with this marvellous addition to the application."

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"Johan W. Elzenga" wrote in message

Conrad Weiler wrote:

Received e-mail from Fred Fost about PS CS. Fred is an excellent nature photographer and Philosophy Professor for Linfield College.

Wow. A Philosophy Professor. That obviously makes him a Photoshop expert. 😉

"The upgrade was really worth it! The Shadow/Highlight function is fantastic! I am re-editing many of my files with this marvelous

addition to

the application."

I’m still unconvinced with respect to this tool – and until it is available as a regular adjustment layer subject to later modification and blending modes, it will be infrequently used by me. Personally, I look at it as a modified "auto" tool, but that’s just an opinion. I’ve experimented with hundreds of D60 images and, if taken to 100% view or above, the banding and noise it introduces (at just about any anything above a very "low" setting) can be really ugly. This can be easily seen in prints, especially when sharpened.

It is not a panacea for poor exposures, nor is it the great "latitude expander" as some initially claimed. I still have better luck [and less file damage] with curve adjustments. But, that’s simply my experience and others’ will probably vary.

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"Johan W. Elzenga" wrote in message

Conrad Weiler wrote:

Received e-mail from Fred Fost about PS CS. Fred is an excellent nature photographer and Philosophy Professor for Linfield College.

Wow. A Philosophy Professor. That obviously makes him a Photoshop expert. 😉

[snip]

I’ve seen a few of Fred’s images, and he certainly is "an excellent nature photographer." Whether or not he is a "Photoshop expert", I dunno.

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Does this make you Curvemeister Jr.?

From: "Flycaster"

I still have better luck [and less file damage] with curve adjustments.

"DurangoLobo" wrote in message

Does this make you Curvemeister Jr.?

From: "Flycaster"

I still have better luck [and less file damage] with curve adjustments.

No. Nice try though.

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Photoshop Elements 2.0 has a tool that mimics that function. "Fill flash" If that’s all you see worthwhile then Elements is a lot cheaper.

DD
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"Conrad Weiler" wrote in message

Hi,

Received e-mail from Fred Fost about PS CS. Fred is an excellent nature photographer and Philosophy Professor for Linfield College.
"The upgrade was really worth it! The Shadow/Highlight function is fantastic! I am re-editing many of my files with this marvelous addition

to

the application."

Fred
Conrad Weiler
Camp Sherman, Oregon

In article ,
(Conrad Weiler) writes:

Received e-mail from Fred Fost about PS CS. Fred is an excellent nature photographer and Philosophy Professor for Linfield College.
"The upgrade was really worth it!

"Warren Sarle" wrote in message

If only he were a math professor and could tell us what the Shadow/Highlight function really does …

Break out the binary editor! It’s "in there". 🙂

While there are some nice new functions in CS, I find myself opening version 7 for any productive work, I am finding CS to be sluggish and even downright slow on large high res images. It helps if I don’t use the browser and keep the histogram palette closed, but…one of the boasts about CS IS the histogram palette and the new browser functionality. I wish the new tools could be ported over to version 7.01 except the Filter browser…yech! "Conrad Weiler" wrote in message

Hi,

Received e-mail from Fred Fost about PS CS. Fred is an excellent nature photographer and Philosophy Professor for Linfield College.
"The upgrade was really worth it! The Shadow/Highlight function is fantastic! I am re-editing many of my files with this marvelous addition

to

the application."

Fred
Conrad Weiler
Camp Sherman, Oregon

Fred pbviously has more money than sense.

PS CS ought to PS 7.5, given that it adds so little
"Digital Art Resources" wrote in message

While there are some nice new functions in CS, I find myself opening

version

7 for any productive work, I am finding CS to be sluggish and even

downright

slow on large high res images. It helps if I don’t use the browser and

keep

the histogram palette closed, but…one of the boasts about CS IS the histogram palette and the new browser functionality. I wish the new tools could be ported over to version 7.01 except the Filter browser…yech! "Conrad Weiler" wrote in message

Hi,

Received e-mail from Fred Fost about PS CS. Fred is an excellent nature photographer and Philosophy Professor for Linfield College.
"The upgrade was really worth it! The Shadow/Highlight function is fantastic! I am re-editing many of my files with this marvelous

addition

to

the application."

Fred
Conrad Weiler
Camp Sherman, Oregon

From: "Digital Art Resources"

I am finding CS to be sluggish and even downright
slow on large high res images.

When I first got CS I created a longish action with several common steps, like setting end points with Levels, contrast boost with Curves, Hue/Sat adjustment, running USM and then resizing as if to print (I know, last two steps are backwards but I wanted a long test action).

Then I ran this test action with CS and V7 on four different file sizes reflecting the types of files I normally work on, 18/36 MB digital camera files from a 6 Mpix Canon 10D, ~ 100 MB scan of 35 mm film, ~ 335 MB scan of 6×4.5 cm film, ~ 555 MB scan of 6×7 cm film (film scans 4000 dpi, 16 bit mode).

CS was always faster, for every file size and for varying amounts of RAM allocations. Sometimes as much as 100% faster. But always faster than V7.

It helps if I don’t use the browser and keep
the histogram palette closed

I ran the tests with the FB closed … I think I saved the action and the test files so maybe I’ll re-run it on CS with the FB open to a large directory and see what the effect is, but I have seen CS get very sluggish with the FB open, so I agree with you there. But closing the FB meant that CS ran a good bit faster than V7 for the things I normally do.

Bill

I am having more of a problem with any paint tool redraw, ie either a large paint brush or a large soft dodge or burn tool, anything over size 200. I am not going to lay full blame on CS just yet as I have just learned that my main scsi hard drive is failing (according to win2k), although I have most of my programming loaded onto another drive this may still effect the swap file situation. You would hope that 512mb of ram would be enough. "Bill Hilton" wrote in message

From: "Digital Art Resources"

I am finding CS to be sluggish and even downright
slow on large high res images.

When I first got CS I created a longish action with several common steps,

like

setting end points with Levels, contrast boost with Curves, Hue/Sat

adjustment,

running USM and then resizing as if to print (I know, last two steps are backwards but I wanted a long test action).

Then I ran this test action with CS and V7 on four different file sizes reflecting the types of files I normally work on, 18/36 MB digital camera

files

from a 6 Mpix Canon 10D, ~ 100 MB scan of 35 mm film, ~ 335 MB scan of

6×4.5 cm

film, ~ 555 MB scan of 6×7 cm film (film scans 4000 dpi, 16 bit mode).
CS was always faster, for every file size and for varying amounts of RAM allocations. Sometimes as much as 100% faster. But always faster than

V7.

It helps if I don’t use the browser and keep
the histogram palette closed

I ran the tests with the FB closed … I think I saved the action and the

test

files so maybe I’ll re-run it on CS with the FB open to a large directory

and

see what the effect is, but I have seen CS get very sluggish with the FB

open,

so I agree with you there. But closing the FB meant that CS ran a good

bit

faster than V7 for the things I normally do.

Bill

…
CS was always faster, for every file size and for varying amounts of RAM allocations. Sometimes as much as 100% faster. But always faster than V7.

It helps if I don’t use the browser and keep
the histogram palette closed

I ran the tests with the FB closed … I think I saved the action and the test files so maybe I’ll re-run it on CS with the FB open to a large directory and see what the effect is, but I have seen CS get very sluggish with the FB open, so I agree with you there. But closing the FB meant that CS ran a good bit faster than V7 for the things I normally do.

Bill

I’ve observed that when the file browser is directed to a (new to FB) folder for which it does not already have its data base built, it can do a lot of work to build that DB — meta data, generating preview image, …. For a folder with many image files the system load of this can be quite noticeable (2 ghz cpu, 1.5 gb ram). It definitely makes PS CS sluggish while it’s building its DB, and it has impacted other apps. Behavior can be influenced by the Allow Background Processing check option in FB preferences.

Also it uses a lot more system effort in its generating preview DB build when High Quality Preview is checked on in the FB preferences.

You might find it interesting to experiment with these FB preference settings in your tests.

Bob Shomler
www.shomler.com

another fine example of a dum-a?? response….

as for me, well worth the upgrade

heathrowe
"Johan W. Elzenga" wrote in message

Conrad Weiler wrote:

Received e-mail from Fred Fost about PS CS. Fred is an excellent nature photographer and Philosophy Professor for Linfield College.

Wow. A Philosophy Professor. That obviously makes him a Photoshop expert. 😉

"The upgrade was really worth it! The Shadow/Highlight function is fantastic! I am re-editing many of my files with this marvelous

addition to

the application."

—
Johan W. Elzenga johan<<at>>johanfoto.nl Editor / Photographer http://www.johanfoto.nl/

In article <AGTTb.41243$>, Duncan
Donald wrote:

Photoshop Elements 2.0 has a tool that mimics that function. "Fill flash" If that’s all you see worthwhile then Elements is a lot cheaper.

Shadow & hilight is a lot more advanced.

Chris

In article <401fd319$>, Flycaster
wrote:

"Johan W. Elzenga" wrote in message

Conrad Weiler wrote:

Received e-mail from Fred Fost about PS CS. Fred is an excellent nature photographer and Philosophy Professor for Linfield College.

Wow. A Philosophy Professor. That obviously makes him a Photoshop expert. 😉

"The upgrade was really worth it! The Shadow/Highlight function is fantastic! I am re-editing many of my files with this marvelous

addition to

the application."

I’m still unconvinced with respect to this tool – and until it is available as a regular adjustment layer subject to later modification and blending modes, it will be infrequently used by me.

As explained many times – the Shadow&Highlight adjustment cannot be done as an adjustment layer. It does several things that just aren’t allowed (or even a good idea) in adjustment layers.

Personally, I look at it as a
modified "auto" tool, but that’s just an opinion.

It’s not even close.

I’ve experimented with
hundreds of D60 images and, if taken to 100% view or above, the banding and noise it introduces (at just about any anything above a very "low" setting) can be really ugly. This can be easily seen in prints, especially when sharpened.

It doesn’t introduce any noise – but it can make noise already existing in your image more obvious.

Chris

Hi Chris,

<< > Photoshop Elements 2.0 has a tool that mimics that function. "Fill flash" If

that’s all you see worthwhile then Elements is a lot cheaper.

= Shadow & hilight is a lot more advanced. =

Amen to that. I tried the Shadow and Highlight tool on a mountain and forest scene yesterday. Ptetty impressive bringing out the trees from their shadows. (Mac OS X; PS 8)

Best,

Conrad

Conrad Weiler
Camp Sherman, Oregon

"Chris Cox" wrote in message

In article <401fd319$>, Flycaster
wrote:

"Johan W. Elzenga" wrote in message

Conrad Weiler wrote:

Received e-mail from Fred Fost about PS CS. Fred is an excellent

nature

photographer and Philosophy Professor for Linfield College.

Wow. A Philosophy Professor. That obviously makes him a Photoshop expert. 😉

"The upgrade was really worth it! The Shadow/Highlight function is fantastic! I am re-editing many of my files with this marvelous

addition to

the application."

I’m still unconvinced with respect to this tool – and until it is

available

as a regular adjustment layer subject to later modification and blending modes, it will be infrequently used by me.

As explained many times – the Shadow&Highlight adjustment cannot be done as an adjustment layer. It does several things that just aren’t allowed (or even a good idea) in adjustment layers.

Personally, I look at it as a
modified "auto" tool, but that’s just an opinion.

It’s not even close.

I’ve experimented with
hundreds of D60 images and, if taken to 100% view or above, the banding

and

noise it introduces (at just about any anything above a very "low"

setting)

can be really ugly. This can be easily seen in prints, especially when sharpened.

It doesn’t introduce any noise – but it can make noise already existing in your image more obvious.

Relax, Chris. CS is an improvement over Ver.7 in many ways, but there are several works-in-progress and, again in my opinion, S&H is one of them. I’ve already seen several examples in print of images that have been damaged by this tool, and they aren’t pretty. You can argue that it was miss-applied, but I’ve seen better results using other methods. Simple as that, and I’m certainly not the first person to point this out – a google search will demonstrate that. And, yes, there are work-arounds for the noise and banding issues (using multiple background layers and a soft-light blending mode, etc.) but this complicates the workflow to the point where I’d rather use something else.

Modifications and additions rarely come out of the oven perfect the first time around. This is one of them, along with the new File Browser and the broken "save-as-copy" command. Other than that, CS is an *excellent* up-grade. And this is a sincere compiliment, not an implied slam.

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On 03 Feb 2004 13:53:40 GMT, (Conrad Weiler) wrote:

Hi,

Received e-mail from Fred Fost about PS CS. Fred is an excellent nature photographer and Philosophy Professor for Linfield College.
"The upgrade was really worth it!  The Shadow/Highlight function is fantastic!  I am re-editing many of my files with this marvelous addition to the application."

Fred
Conrad Weiler
Camp Sherman, Oregon

Do you by any means know if I can get a dutch language module for my copy of CS?
Thanks, – Peter –

peter wrote:

On 03 Feb 2004 13:53:40 GMT, (Conrad Weiler) wrote:

Hi,

Received e-mail from Fred Fost about PS CS. Fred is an excellent nature photographer and Philosophy Professor for Linfield College.
"The upgrade was really worth it! The Shadow/Highlight function is fantastic! I am re-editing many of my files with this marvelous addition to the application."

Fred
Conrad Weiler
Camp Sherman, Oregon

Do you by any means know if I can get a dutch language module for my copy of CS?
Thanks, – Peter –

Try asking Adobe directly, funnily enough they may be able to help you!

Stuart

—

peter …

On 03 Feb 2004 13:53:40 GMT, (Conrad Weiler) wrote:

Hi,

Received e-mail from Fred Fost about PS CS. Fred is an excellent nature photographer and Philosophy Professor for Linfield College.
"The upgrade was really worth it!  The Shadow/Highlight function is fantastic!  I am re-editing many of my files with this marvelous addition to the application."

Fred
Conrad Weiler
Camp Sherman, Oregon

Do you by any means know if I can get a dutch language module for my copy of CS?
Thanks, – Peter –

There is no dutch language pack for photoshop cs. You can however Purchase the dutch version of photoshop from adobe’s denmark site… But if you don’t speak Dutch the page w/do you no good.

http://www.adobe.dk/ link to the dutch adobe.com page

Good Luck

Signed- person who works closely with Adobe