step backward in photoshop

Hi.
The following issue has been bothering me for a while in photoshop. When you create a new file or open an existing file, the first operation in the history palette is either "New" or "Open". I understand why it makes sense you can’t undo that first step. However, when I’ve been using the brushtool many times and find that the ‘step backward’ function is unable to revert back to the original state, I click the snapshot of the original state in the history palette. Now when I use the brush tool 3 times for instance, I can only undo the last 2 modifications and the only way to undo the first brush stroke is to blend in the history palette and click the snapshot of the original state and this seems cumbersome. The best solution I’ve found for this issue so far is to use the Revert command after I’ve clicked the snapshot of the original state. Once I’ve done that, I can undo any subsequent modifications with the brushtool by stepping backward. Still, it seems kind of cumbersome and I was wondering if anyone knows why it isn’t possible to undo the first step in the history palette?
In fact, it gets even more strange. When I click the snapshot of the original state and use the brushtool once, I’m able to undo that modification (although only with the <Ctrl>-Z command and not with the <Alt><Ctrl>-Z command). However, when I use the brushtool twice (or more often), I’m only able to undo all modifications except the first one.

The logic of that behavior of photoshop completely baffles me. I’d expect <Alt><Ctrl>-Z to work in any situation where I can use <Ctrl>-Z and it does EXCEPT for the first modification after you click a snapshot.

Thanks in advance for any feedback on this, kind regards, Niek

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Hi.
The following issue has been bothering me for a while in photoshop. When you create a new file or open an existing file, the first operation in the history palette is either "New" or "Open". I understand why it makes sense you can’t undo that first step. However, when I’ve been using the brushtool many times and find that the ‘step backward’ function is unable to revert back to the original state, I click the snapshot of the original state in the history palette. Now when I use the brush tool 3 times for instance, I can only undo the last 2 modifications and the only way to undo the first brush stroke is to blend in the history palette and click the snapshot of the original state and this seems cumbersome. The best solution I’ve found for this issue so far is to use the Revert command after I’ve clicked the snapshot of the original state. Once I’ve done that, I can undo any subsequent modifications with the brushtool by stepping backward. Still, it seems kind of cumbersome and I was wondering if anyone knows why it isn’t possible to undo the first step in the history palette?
In fact, it gets even more strange. When I click the snapshot of the original state and use the brushtool once, I’m able to undo that modification (although only with the <Ctrl>-Z command and not with the <Alt><Ctrl>-Z command). However, when I use the brushtool twice (or more often), I’m only able to undo all modifications except the first one.

The logic of that behavior of photoshop completely baffles me. I’d expect <Alt><Ctrl>-Z to work in any situation where I can use <Ctrl>-Z and it does EXCEPT for the first modification after you click a snapshot.

Thanks in advance for any feedback on this, kind regards, Niek

Unless you have increased the number of states in Edit>Preferences>General (Ctrl+K)you will only be displaying 20 history states. The number of states you can display (up to a 1000!) if dependant on how much RAM you have. If you only have 20 displayed, the 21st action will knock the 1st action (after Open) off the list, 22nd the 2nd and so on.
The Alt+Ctrl+Z combo is only available after the first action, the first action is undone by Ctrl+Z only at the time of creation, deleting this state any other way will put the image back to the Open state.

Revert takes you back to the last saved snapshot, and if you haven’t saved any, it will take you to the snapshot that is created automatically when you open the file.

See the Help files for more

HTH
MH

Mike Hyndman wrote:

"name" wrote in message

Hi.
The following issue has been bothering me for a while in photoshop. When you create a new file or open an existing file, the first operation in the history palette is either "New" or "Open". I understand why it makes sense you can’t undo that first step. However, when I’ve been using the brushtool many times and find that the ‘step backward’ function is unable to revert back to the original state, I click the snapshot of the original state in the history palette. Now when I use the brush tool 3 times for instance, I can only undo the last 2 modifications and the only way to undo the first brush stroke is to blend in the history palette and click the snapshot of the original state and this seems cumbersome. The best solution I’ve found for this issue so far is to use the Revert command after I’ve clicked the snapshot of the original state. Once I’ve done that, I can undo any subsequent modifications with the brushtool by stepping backward. Still, it seems kind of cumbersome and I was wondering if anyone knows why it isn’t possible to undo the first step in the history palette?
In fact, it gets even more strange. When I click the snapshot of the original state and use the brushtool once, I’m able to undo that modification (although only with the <Ctrl>-Z command and not with the <Alt><Ctrl>-Z command). However, when I use the brushtool twice (or more often), I’m only able to undo all modifications except the first one.

The logic of that behavior of photoshop completely baffles me. I’d expect <Alt><Ctrl>-Z to work in any situation where I can use <Ctrl>-Z and it does EXCEPT for the first modification after you click a snapshot.

Thanks in advance for any feedback on this, kind regards, Niek

Unless you have increased the number of states in
Edit>Preferences>General
(Ctrl+K)you will only be displaying 20 history states. The number of states
you can display (up to a 1000!) if dependant on how much RAM you have. If you only have 20 displayed, the 21st action will knock the 1st action (after
Open) off the list, 22nd the 2nd and so on.
The Alt+Ctrl+Z combo is only available after the first action, the first action is undone by Ctrl+Z only at the time of creation, deleting this state
any other way will put the image back to the Open state.

But I don’t understand why there is this exception that Ctrl+Z does exactly the same as Alt+Ctrl+Z with respect to the last modification EXCEPT for the first modification after
you go back to the last snapshot.

Because when I go back to the snapshot and make two modifications, I can’t press Alt+Ctrl+Z twice to go back to the snapshot and I just don’t understand the rationale behind this behavior of Photoshop.

Revert takes you back to the last saved snapshot, and if you haven’t saved
any, it will take you to the snapshot that is created automatically when you
open the file.

See the Help files for more

HTH
MH

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Mike Hyndman wrote:

"name" wrote in message

Hi.
The following issue has been bothering me for a while in photoshop. When you create a new file or open an existing file, the first operation in the history palette is either "New" or "Open". I understand why it makes sense you can’t undo that first step. However, when I’ve been using the brushtool many times and find that the ‘step backward’ function is unable to revert back to the original state, I click the snapshot of the original state in the history palette. Now when I use the brush tool 3 times for instance, I can only undo the last 2 modifications and the only way to undo the first brush stroke is to blend in the history palette and click the snapshot of the original state and this seems cumbersome. The best solution I’ve found for this issue so far is to use the Revert command after I’ve clicked the snapshot of the original state. Once I’ve done that, I can undo any subsequent modifications with the brushtool by stepping backward. Still, it seems kind of cumbersome and I was wondering if anyone knows why it isn’t possible to undo the first step in the history palette?
In fact, it gets even more strange. When I click the snapshot of the original state and use the brushtool once, I’m able to undo that modification (although only with the <Ctrl>-Z command and not with the <Alt><Ctrl>-Z command). However, when I use the brushtool twice (or more often), I’m only able to undo all modifications except the first one.

The logic of that behavior of photoshop completely baffles me. I’d expect <Alt><Ctrl>-Z to work in any situation where I can use <Ctrl>-Z and it does EXCEPT for the first modification after you click a snapshot.

Thanks in advance for any feedback on this, kind regards, Niek

Unless you have increased the number of states in
Edit>Preferences>General
(Ctrl+K)you will only be displaying 20 history states. The number of states
you can display (up to a 1000!) if dependant on how much RAM you have. If you only have 20 displayed, the 21st action will knock the 1st action (after
Open) off the list, 22nd the 2nd and so on.
The Alt+Ctrl+Z combo is only available after the first action, the first action is undone by Ctrl+Z only at the time of creation, deleting this state
any other way will put the image back to the Open state.

But I don’t understand why there is this exception that Ctrl+Z does exactly the same as Alt+Ctrl+Z with respect to the last modification EXCEPT for the first modification after
you go back to the last snapshot.

Because when I go back to the snapshot and make two modifications, I can’t press Alt+Ctrl+Z twice to go back to the snapshot and I just don’t understand the rationale behind this behavior of Photoshop.

If you only have 20 history states, it will be more than likely that you will have actions that have been pushed off the top of the list by later actions at the bottom of the list. You have no way of knowing what those actions were unless you have "allow non linear history" checked in the History Options dialogue box.
Therefore, if you were easily able to delete the first state (after Open) with the Alt+Ctrl+Z combo, you would go back to the state the file was in when the file was first opened. The fact that you can only use Ctrl+Z for the first state, is it acts as a break or stop to the A+C+Z combo, to prevent you undoing all the history states that have been pushed off the list.
Think about it, you are merrily clicking away with ACZ and all of a sudden, your image reverts to its opened state, would this be something that you would be happy with, or would you rather have the first step "protected" from this possibility?

MH

Revert takes you back to the last saved snapshot, and if you haven’t saved
any, it will take you to the snapshot that is created automatically when you
open the file.

See the Help files for more

HTH
MH

Mike Hyndman wrote:

"name" wrote in message

Mike Hyndman wrote:

"name" wrote in message

Hi.
The following issue has been bothering me for a while in photoshop. When you create a new file or open an existing file, the first operation in the history palette is either "New" or "Open". I understand why it makes sense you can’t undo that first step. However,
when I’ve been using the brushtool many times and find that the ‘step
backward’ function is unable to revert back to the original state, I click the snapshot of the original state in the history palette. Now when I use the brush tool 3 times for instance, I can only undo the
last 2 modifications and the only way to undo the first brush stroke is
to blend in the history palette and click the snapshot of the original
state and this seems cumbersome. The best solution I’ve found for this
issue so far is to use the Revert command after I’ve clicked the snapshot of the original state. Once I’ve done that, I can undo any subsequent modifications with the brushtool by stepping backward. Still, it seems kind of cumbersome and I was wondering if anyone knows
why it isn’t possible to undo the first step in the history palette?
In fact, it gets even more strange. When I click the snapshot of the original state and use the brushtool once, I’m able to undo that modification (although only with the <Ctrl>-Z command and not with the
<Alt><Ctrl>-Z command). However, when I use the brushtool twice (or more often), I’m only able to undo all modifications except the first
one.

The logic of that behavior of photoshop completely baffles me. I’d expect <Alt><Ctrl>-Z to work in any situation where I can use <Ctrl>-Z and it does EXCEPT for the first modification after you click
a snapshot.

Thanks in advance for any feedback on this, kind regards, Niek

Unless you have increased the number of states in
Edit>Preferences>General
(Ctrl+K)you will only be displaying 20 history states. The number of states
you can display (up to a 1000!) if dependant on how much RAM you have. If
you only have 20 displayed, the 21st action will knock the 1st action (after
Open) off the list, 22nd the 2nd and so on.
The Alt+Ctrl+Z combo is only available after the first action, the first
action is undone by Ctrl+Z only at the time of creation, deleting this state
any other way will put the image back to the Open state.

But I don’t understand why there is this exception that Ctrl+Z does exactly the same as Alt+Ctrl+Z with respect to the last modification EXCEPT for the first modification after
you go back to the last snapshot.

Because when I go back to the snapshot and make two modifications, I can’t press Alt+Ctrl+Z twice to go back to the snapshot and I just don’t understand the rationale behind this behavior of Photoshop.

If you only have 20 history states, it will be more than likely that you will have actions that have been pushed off the top of the list by later actions at the bottom of the list. You have no way of knowing what those actions were unless you have "allow non linear history" checked in the History Options dialogue box.
Therefore, if you were easily able to delete the first state (after Open) with the Alt+Ctrl+Z combo, you would go back to the state the file was in when the file was first opened. The fact that you can only use Ctrl+Z for the first state, is it acts as a break or stop to the A+C+Z combo, to prevent you undoing all the history states that have been pushed off the list.
Think about it, you are merrily clicking away with ACZ and all of a sudden,
your image reverts to its opened state, would this be something that you would be happy with, or would you rather have the first step "protected" from this possibility?

Ah ok, yes that makes sense. But still, is that ‘protection’ really needed? After all, you can simply use Shft+Ctrl+Z to go forward one more step if you inadvertently used Alt+Ctrl+Z to jump back to the snapshot.

Revert takes you back to the last saved snapshot, and if you haven’t saved
any, it will take you to the snapshot that is created automatically when
you
open the file.

See the Help files for more

HTH
MH

"name" wrote in message

Mike Hyndman wrote:

"name" wrote in message

Mike Hyndman wrote:

"name" wrote in message

Hi.
The following issue has been bothering me for a while in photoshop. When you create a new file or open an existing file, the first operation in the history palette is either "New" or "Open". I understand why it makes sense you can’t undo that first step. However,
when I’ve been using the brushtool many times and find that the ‘step
backward’ function is unable to revert back to the original state, I click the snapshot of the original state in the history palette. Now when I use the brush tool 3 times for instance, I can only undo the
last 2 modifications and the only way to undo the first brush stroke is
to blend in the history palette and click the snapshot of the original
state and this seems cumbersome. The best solution I’ve found for this
issue so far is to use the Revert command after I’ve clicked the snapshot of the original state. Once I’ve done that, I can undo any subsequent modifications with the brushtool by stepping backward. Still, it seems kind of cumbersome and I was wondering if anyone knows
why it isn’t possible to undo the first step in the history palette?
In fact, it gets even more strange. When I click the snapshot of the original state and use the brushtool once, I’m able to undo that modification (although only with the <Ctrl>-Z command and not with the
<Alt><Ctrl>-Z command). However, when I use the brushtool twice (or more often), I’m only able to undo all modifications except the first
one.

The logic of that behavior of photoshop completely baffles me. I’d expect <Alt><Ctrl>-Z to work in any situation where I can use <Ctrl>-Z and it does EXCEPT for the first modification after you click
a snapshot.

Thanks in advance for any feedback on this, kind regards, Niek

Unless you have increased the number of states in
Edit>Preferences>General
(Ctrl+K)you will only be displaying 20 history states. The number of states
you can display (up to a 1000!) if dependant on how much RAM you have. If
you only have 20 displayed, the 21st action will knock the 1st action (after
Open) off the list, 22nd the 2nd and so on.
The Alt+Ctrl+Z combo is only available after the first action, the first
action is undone by Ctrl+Z only at the time of creation, deleting this state
any other way will put the image back to the Open state.

But I don’t understand why there is this exception that Ctrl+Z does exactly the same as Alt+Ctrl+Z with respect to the last modification EXCEPT for the first modification after
you go back to the last snapshot.

Because when I go back to the snapshot and make two modifications, I can’t press Alt+Ctrl+Z twice to go back to the snapshot and I just don’t understand the rationale behind this behavior of Photoshop.

If you only have 20 history states, it will be more than likely that you will have actions that have been pushed off the top of the list by later actions at the bottom of the list. You have no way of knowing what those actions were unless you have "allow non linear history" checked in the History Options dialogue box.
Therefore, if you were easily able to delete the first state (after Open) with the Alt+Ctrl+Z combo, you would go back to the state the file was in when the file was first opened. The fact that you can only use Ctrl+Z for the first state, is it acts as a break or stop to the A+C+Z combo, to prevent you undoing all the history states that have been pushed off the list.
Think about it, you are merrily clicking away with ACZ and all of a sudden,
your image reverts to its opened state, would this be something that you would be happy with, or would you rather have the first step "protected" from this possibility?

Ah ok, yes that makes sense. But still, is that ‘protection’ really needed? After all, you can simply use Shft+Ctrl+Z to go forward one more step if you inadvertently used Alt+Ctrl+Z to jump back to the snapshot.

I don’t know about your PS, but I can’t go back all the way to the snapshot with A+C+Z, it stops at the first action after Open;

If I delete the step
after the snapshot, it is Ctrl+Z that restores it not Shift+Ctrl+Z or by clicking on the dimmed state. You have one chance only to restore these dimmed states, any subsequent action and they are gone for good.

Is the protection really needed? I like to think so, you should always practise safe hex. 🙂

MH

Revert takes you back to the last saved snapshot, and if you haven’t saved
any, it will take you to the snapshot that is created automatically when
you
open the file.

See the Help files for more

HTH
MH

Mike Hyndman wrote:

"name" wrote in message

Mike Hyndman wrote:

"name" wrote in message

Mike Hyndman wrote:

"name" wrote in message

Hi.
The following issue has been bothering me for a while in photoshop.
When you create a new file or open an existing file, the first operation in the history palette is either "New" or "Open". I understand why it makes sense you can’t undo that first step. However,
when I’ve been using the brushtool many times and find that the ‘step
backward’ function is unable to revert back to the original state, I
click the snapshot of the original state in the history palette. Now when I use the brush tool 3 times for instance, I can only undo
the
last 2 modifications and the only way to undo the first brush stroke
is
to blend in the history palette and click the snapshot of the original
state and this seems cumbersome. The best solution I’ve found for this
issue so far is to use the Revert command after I’ve clicked the snapshot of the original state. Once I’ve done that, I can undo any
subsequent modifications with the brushtool by stepping backward. Still, it seems kind of cumbersome and I was wondering if anyone knows
why it isn’t possible to undo the first step in the history palette?

In fact, it gets even more strange. When I click the snapshot of the
original state and use the brushtool once, I’m able to undo that modification (although only with the <Ctrl>-Z command and not with
the
<Alt><Ctrl>-Z command). However, when I use the brushtool twice (or
more often), I’m only able to undo all modifications except the first
one.

The logic of that behavior of photoshop completely baffles me. I’d expect <Alt><Ctrl>-Z to work in any situation where I can use <Ctrl>-Z and it does EXCEPT for the first modification after you click
a snapshot.

Thanks in advance for any feedback on this, kind regards, Niek

Unless you have increased the number of states in
Edit>Preferences>General
(Ctrl+K)you will only be displaying 20 history states. The number of
states
you can display (up to a 1000!) if dependant on how much RAM you have.
If
you only have 20 displayed, the 21st action will knock the 1st action
(after
Open) off the list, 22nd the 2nd and so on.
The Alt+Ctrl+Z combo is only available after the first action, the first
action is undone by Ctrl+Z only at the time of creation, deleting this
state
any other way will put the image back to the Open state.

But I don’t understand why there is this exception that Ctrl+Z does exactly the same as Alt+Ctrl+Z with respect to the last modification EXCEPT for the first modification after
you go back to the last snapshot.

Because when I go back to the snapshot and make two modifications, I can’t press Alt+Ctrl+Z twice to go back to the snapshot and I just don’t understand the rationale behind this behavior of Photoshop.

If you only have 20 history states, it will be more than likely that you
will have actions that have been pushed off the top of the list by later
actions at the bottom of the list. You have no way of knowing what those
actions were unless you have "allow non linear history" checked in the
History Options dialogue box.
Therefore, if you were easily able to delete the first state (after Open)
with the Alt+Ctrl+Z combo, you would go back to the state the file was in
when the file was first opened. The fact that you can only use Ctrl+Z for
the first state, is it acts as a break or stop to the A+C+Z combo, to prevent you undoing all the history states that have been pushed off the
list.
Think about it, you are merrily clicking away with ACZ and all of a sudden,
your image reverts to its opened state, would this be something that you
would be happy with, or would you rather have the first step "protected"
from this possibility?

Ah ok, yes that makes sense. But still, is that ‘protection’ really needed? After all, you can simply use Shft+Ctrl+Z to go forward one more step if you inadvertently used Alt+Ctrl+Z to jump back to the snapshot.

I don’t know about your PS, but I can’t go back all the way to the snapshot
with A+C+Z, it stops at the first action after Open;

Yes, in my PS version as well (CS2), but I was talking about the hypothetical situation if it actually was possible.

If I delete the step
after the snapshot, it is Ctrl+Z that restores it not Shift+Ctrl+Z or by clicking on the dimmed state. You have one chance only to restore these dimmed states, any subsequent action and they are gone for good.

Ok, but that’s making one mistake after the other. If you accidentally press Ctrl-W and ‘N’ you also lose everything.

Is the protection really needed? I like to think so, you should always practise safe hex. 🙂

Maybe in a situation where you choose between two evils, it’s best to have an option in the settings where you can pick your poison. Either situation wouldn’t be ideal and have pro’s and con’s but having a choice between them would be nice. Personally I’d prefer having a ‘step backward’ function that goes back all the way to the snapshot (usually the one that is created automatically when you open a file or create a new one).

Revert takes you back to the last saved snapshot, and if you haven’t
saved
any, it will take you to the snapshot that is created automatically when
you
open the file.

See the Help files for more

HTH
MH