Problem Cropping and Rotating in CS2

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Jamin_Ver_Velde
Nov 8, 2006
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I think you are all not understanding what Anne is asking. I have the same problem. I’m using the original CS Photoshop. I do not have a problem when I rotate and crop when the three boxes (width, height, and resolution) are clear. However, if I try to put in settings for these areas, the crop tool is inaccurate–sometimes amazingly so. It’s extremely frustrating. Is there a way this can be fixed or is this a program problem?

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Jay_Groccia
Dec 11, 2006
I’ve been having the same problem – I’ll set my crop parameters, lets say 4" x 5" @ 300dpi and then I’ll select an area of the image and then rotate the window so what appears in the window is what I want. When I hit enter (or click the check box) the crop happens, but things shift – for examples, I might have a portrait and want to crop right to the shoulder so that very little or no background is showing along the person’s arm – the crop tool will give me a big slice of background between the subject and the edge of the image. So instead of the person being centered in the image, they are shifted to the right.
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PECourtejoie
Dec 11, 2006
Tony, try to do an angled crop that reduces the resolution, or at least produces a smaller image, you’ll see the issue.
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John Joslin
Dec 11, 2006
OK; in that case I would align the image to the desired vertical using the Measure Tool followed by Rotate > Arbitrary, and then crop using either the Marquee or Crop Tool.
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YrbkMgr
Dec 11, 2006
Tony, try to do an angled crop that reduces the resolution, or at least produces a smaller image, you’ll see the issue.

I did. I stand by my earlier post. I don’t say it’s a program issue, it’s an expectation issue. To me, the behavior makes perfect sense, even if it is not expected at first.
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charles badland
Dec 11, 2006
I believe this is an acknowledged bug. When you crop+rotate+downsample the result can be a severe distortion.
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YrbkMgr
Dec 11, 2006
Okay, I might be wrong, and if I am, I am fully preprared to retract. But from Charles’ post, I don’t see the issue. That looks like fully expected behavior to me.
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charles badland
Dec 11, 2006
Really? Look at the crop edges v. the result. And the distortion to the face. If you don’t downsample during the crop (leave ppi setting empty in the crop Tool option bar), the resulting image is same as indicated by the crop marquee.

I emailed a copy of this to Chris Cox a while back, and that very day was contacted by someone at Adobe asking for additional examples and information. I also showed this to Julieanne Kost, and she said it was not expected behavior.
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charles badland
Dec 11, 2006
Here’s a link comparing my original crop+rotate+downsample example to similar crop+rotate but without the downsampling. The latter is what I would consider an expected result.

<http://home.earthlink.net/~bbadland/crop_options_prob.html>
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YrbkMgr
Dec 11, 2006
Ah. I see it. Thanks Charles. When I tried to reproduce, I wasn’t downsampling.

Sorry for the white noise folks. Thanks again Charles.
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charles badland
Dec 11, 2006
More than welcome. This is my pet bug. 🙂
I think it’s been around since… PS 6? Maybe earlier.
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charles badland
Dec 15, 2006
And… still there in CS3 Beta.
Oh well. I guess I would have missed it a little.
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nancysharon
Dec 19, 2006
Crop tool isn’t working properly. When I use the crop tool, something has changed. It only appears with 4 corner handles and will not let me draw a crop; it’s like it is set to a pre-set crop, a certain size and only draws as if you were pulling the corner tool. It wasn’t doing that previously and I can’t find anywhere to see if some settings got changed or what. Why can’t I "freely" crop?
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nancysharon
Dec 19, 2006
I’m having sort of the same problem. The crop tool only moves in a square or rectangle, as if it were set to certain dimentions. There are only four size corners, the right and left, top and bottom, resize boxes are gone. I’ve closed the program and opened it again and nothing changes. What have I done, it’s as if it is preset and I cannot size "freely"?
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Michael_D_Sullivan
Dec 19, 2006
Have you clicked "clear" to eliminate the dimensions that were set in another session?
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John Joslin
Dec 19, 2006
As Michael says, Options Bar settings stick even after a restart. Can be handy for repetitive jobs but it can take you by surprise too.

There are other PS settings which don’t stick and I wish they would!
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nancysharon
Dec 19, 2006
Thanks Michael…I looked all over for options or clear or default buttons, but came up with nothing. After your post I went back again, and discovered that the "clear" button only shows up AFTER you crop and double click. So now I have my button back. Another thing that was wrong, was my toolbar was only showing a "feather icon" and all the tools were gone; now I discover that I must double click on the blue bar to have the tool bar appear and disappear … just sharing in case someone else has this problem. OK, now…you helped me clear and find my toolbar, but now when I double click, it does not automatically crop the picture into a separate window…any idea what I did? I did find where I can go to "Image" and click "crop" and it does it, but why can’t I just double click anymore…..?
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nancysharon
Dec 19, 2006
Thanks for your reply John. Michael gave me the "clear" clue. lol. Also, I had lost the toolbar (I thought) and there was only a "feather icon" there. I discovered that if I double-clicked on the blue bar, the drop down icons appear. Also when I tried to use the Elliptical Oval, the hyphenated marks appeared in an oval shape, but when I double-clicked, it would not crop it into a separate it into the single box…any ideas?
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John Joslin
Dec 19, 2006
You need to have the Options Bar enabled under the Window menu.

This will show a "Clear" button if there are values in the boxes.

when I tried to use the Elliptical Oval, the hyphenated marks appeared in an oval shape, but when I double-clicked, it would not crop it into a separate it into the single box

I’m afraid you need to make your meaning a bit clearer here (and best pay attention to the right terminology).
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nancysharon
Dec 19, 2006
I apologize; maybe I should not be in this forum. I am a novice with Photoshop and not even clear what I need to ask sometimes, let alone proper terminology. thanks for your comments.
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John Joslin
Dec 19, 2006
No need to apologise.

We get novices in here all the time and enjoy helping.

We just need to understand the question 😉

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