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Getho
Feb 23, 2004
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Pulling my hair out trying use distiller (from acrobat 4) to create a pdf using my printers job options. When I print from photoshop (print>distiller) It produces an RGB pdf (the source file is CMYK – when I import the PDF into illustrator it tells me its RGB).

When I save as photoshop eps and drag onto distiller great chunks of the file are missing.

Is there likely a problem with my system or installation of distiller, is it that acrobat 4 is too old, or is there an easier way of doing it.

BTW: my motivation for doing this is to preserve my vector fonts: please dont say "just design in illustrator"! Help I’ve waited half a day already! Geth

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Eric Gill
Feb 23, 2004
"Getho" wrote in
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Pulling my hair out trying use distiller (from acrobat 4) to create a pdf using my printers job options.

Good god, bud. Just save the damned thing from Photoshop, with vectors preserved, fonts turned to outline, no compression. PDF is a native format for PS.

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BTW: my motivation for doing this is to preserve my vector fonts: please dont say "just design in illustrator"!

I would never say that, just as I would never tell you to lay out pages in Photoshop.

Help I’ve waited half a
day already! Geth

Well, you’re in for a lot more rude surprises if you do any more design for print. Hope your black text is actually black and not rich black.
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tacitr
Feb 23, 2004
Pulling my hair out trying use distiller (from acrobat 4) to create a pdf using my printers job options. When I print from photoshop (print>distiller) It produces an RGB pdf (the source file is CMYK – when I import the PDF into illustrator it tells me its RGB).

Sounds like Distiller is set to convert images to RGB.

Why notjust save as PDF from Photoshop? Version 6 or later can create a PDF natively with vector information preserved.


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Getho
Feb 23, 2004
Printer opens photoshop pdfs in photoshop and flattens them (yes I know). So if they dont have the fonts installed on their system my vectors get turned into pixels. Which is why I’m going round the houses.

GEth

"Eric Gill" wrote in message
"Getho" wrote in
news:40399ed9$0$22509$:

Pulling my hair out trying use distiller (from acrobat 4) to create a pdf using my printers job options.

Good god, bud. Just save the damned thing from Photoshop, with vectors preserved, fonts turned to outline, no compression. PDF is a native format for PS.

<snip>

BTW: my motivation for doing this is to preserve my vector fonts: please dont say "just design in illustrator"!

I would never say that, just as I would never tell you to lay out pages in Photoshop.

Help I’ve waited half a
day already! Geth

Well, you’re in for a lot more rude surprises if you do any more design
for
print. Hope your black text is actually black and not rich black.
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Getho
Feb 23, 2004
But when you open in ps, it converts loads the font data above the vector data – meaning the system needs those fonts intslled.

"Tacit" wrote in message
Pulling my hair out trying use distiller (from acrobat 4) to create a pdf using my printers job options. When I print from photoshop (print>distiller) It produces an RGB pdf (the source file is CMYK – when I import the PDF into illustrator it tells me its RGB).

Sounds like Distiller is set to convert images to RGB.

Why notjust save as PDF from Photoshop? Version 6 or later can create a
PDF
natively with vector information preserved.


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Flycaster
Feb 24, 2004
"Getho" wrote in message
Printer opens photoshop pdfs in photoshop and flattens them (yes I know). So if they dont have the fonts installed on their system my vectors get turned into pixels. Which is why I’m going round the houses.

No, PS will not flatten the vector layers unless it is told to do so, or unless you forget to save the fonts as vector data (don’t choose "embed"). Eric is right, PS isn’t the best tool for this, but I’ve sent off many a PS created poster to the press and everything looks great and the type is device-resolution sharp. They do have to send the file to the press unflattened, however. It’s no big deal.

If your service bureau is telling you otherwise, they’re simply unfamiliar with how PS PDF files work. It happens.

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Flycaster
Feb 24, 2004
Getho:

Just as I pushed the button I realized that I had misread your first line. Sorry.
Tell this printer to just keep his finger off the buttons and leave the darned file unflattened. It’s as easy as that…or find another printer who can follow simple directions.

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Eric Gill
Feb 24, 2004
"Getho" wrote in
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Printer opens photoshop pdfs in photoshop and flattens them (yes I know). So if they dont have the fonts installed on their system my vectors get turned into pixels.

Unless, of course, you choose "Preserve Vectors" and "Fonts to Outlines" when you save the file.

Or, as I put it before:

Good god, bud. Just save the damned thing from Photoshop, with vectors preserved, fonts turned to outline, no compression. PDF is a native format for PS.

You’re making this a lot harder than it needs to be.
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Eric Gill
Feb 24, 2004
"Getho" wrote in
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But when you open in ps, it converts loads the font data above the vector data – meaning the system needs those fonts intslled.

Only if you leave it that way.

I get the idea you’re not listening.
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gethinc
Feb 24, 2004
flycaster,
I tried uninstalling one of the fonts used in the ps pdf. When I opened it in photoshop the font layers for that font were pixels.

I thought it should just use the vector data but my guess is that photoshop pdfs save both vector data and font data and load the font data in prefferenece to the vector (whereas illustrator will only load the vector data).

Any know for sure?
Geth
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gethinc
Feb 26, 2004
Eric Gill …
"Getho" wrote in
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But when you open in ps, it converts loads the font data above the vector data – meaning the system needs those fonts intslled.

Only if you leave it that way.

I get the idea you’re not listening.

Eric
"only if you leave it that way" what way is that exactly?

I’m converting the fonts to vectors. I tested by uninstalling the font, when opened in photoshop you get pixels not vecotrs. My printers open photoshop pdfs in photoshop hence – pixels. I am listening, do you think I would bother going to this trouble if I couldn’t have found a solution by just saving as a PDF?
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tacitr
Feb 26, 2004
I’m converting the fonts to vectors. I tested by uninstalling the font, when opened in photoshop you get pixels not vecotrs.

Correct.

All PDF files opened in Photoshop become rasterized.

You can CREATE a vector PDF using Photoshop. Once that PDF is created, your printer *should not* open it in Photoshop. It should be opened in Acrobat Reader or some other PDF utility.

My printers
open photoshop pdfs in photoshop hence – pixels.

There is an easy fix for this. 3 steps:

Step 1: Pull that job away from that printer–your printer isincompetent and does not understand the most basic part of a PDF workflow.

Step 2. Give the job to a competent printer who understands a PDF workflow.

Step 3: Never do business with your old printer again.

Your printer should not and must not attempt to send a PDF to press by opening it in Photoshop. Ever! Ever!


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Eric Gill
Feb 26, 2004
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"Getho" wrote in
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But when you open in ps, it converts loads the font data above the vector data – meaning the system needs those fonts intslled.

Only if you leave it that way.

I get the idea you’re not listening.

Eric
"only if you leave it that way" what way is that exactly?

Native.

I’m converting the fonts to vectors. I tested by uninstalling the font, when opened in photoshop you get pixels not vecotrs.

Yes, that’s exactly what will happen with that methodology. When you take away Photoshop’s ability to edit it natively (i.e., bust the fonts into curves), it treats it as a generic PDF that must be rasterized.

Try looking at it it in Reader instead.

My printers
open photoshop pdfs in photoshop hence – pixels.

Then you need to have a little talk with them. Cutting corners like this is costing you quality.

I am listening, do
you think I would bother going to this trouble if I couldn’t have found a solution by just saving as a PDF?
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Stuart
Feb 26, 2004
So have you changed to the press default in the distiller print properties. This is supposed to leave the colour as it is.

Stuart

gethin wrote:

Eric Gill …

"Getho" wrote in
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But when you open in ps, it converts loads the font data above the vector data – meaning the system needs those fonts installed.
Only if you leave it that way.

I get the idea you’re not listening.

Eric
"only if you leave it that way" what way is that exactly?
I’m converting the fonts to vectors. I tested by uninstalling the font, when opened in photoshop you get pixels not vectors. My printers open photoshop pdfs in photoshop hence – pixels. I am listening, do you think I would bother going to this trouble if I couldn’t have found a solution by just saving as a PDF?

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Flycaster
Feb 27, 2004
"gethin" wrote in message
flycaster,
I tried uninstalling one of the fonts used in the ps pdf. When I opened it in photoshop the font layers for that font were pixels.
I thought it should just use the vector data but my guess is that photoshop pdfs save both vector data and font data and load the font data in prefferenece to the vector (whereas illustrator will only load the vector data).

When I’ve sent unflattened PDF files to my off-set printer, I get back prints with no font problems even when using fonts that they don’t have. I had always *assumed* that by saving the fonts as vector data, they would open as unrasterized files in PS…but after reading Tacit’s last post, I’m no longer sure about that.

In this NG, Tacit and Eric Gill are among our best off-set press experts, so I’d defer to their advice. Do what they tell you, and I’ll tag along and learn something too.

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