Scratch Disks

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Fruit2O
Dec 12, 2006
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I have a laptop with a 1GHz hard drive and am using PS CS2 (Windows XP Pro SP2). I also have two external USB drives (40GB and 360GB). Both have a higher RPM than my C: drive. I don’t understand how scartch drives work – so I’m asking 1. How they work and 2. Recommendations for how to set up my scratch disks. Thank you.

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Mike Hyndman
Dec 12, 2006
"Fruit2O" wrote in message
I have a laptop with a 1GHz hard drive and am using PS CS2 (Windows XP Pro SP2). I also have two external USB drives (40GB and 360GB). Both have a higher RPM than my C: drive. I don’t understand how scartch drives work – so I’m asking 1. How they work and 2. Recommendations for how to set up my scratch disks. Thank you.

1 GHz hard drive?
PS uses scratch disks to supplement RAM, they store the temporary files you create when working with PS. Ideally they should be on a different drive or partition to where Windows keeps its page file, which would rule out C drive, in an ideal situation. They can be put on different partitions if the HD is big enough but separate drives are the way to go, even better if on different channels when using IDE’s. With this set up you would not have read/write conflicts between the Windows page file and the PS temp file. External USB drives are orders of magnitude slower than internal HD’s, irrespective of spin speed, due to the method of data transfer, so they would not be suitable for use as scratch discs.

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Fruit2O
Dec 12, 2006
On Tue, 12 Dec 2006 17:02:58 -0000, "Mike Hyndman" <tell me yours and I’ll send > wrote:

"Fruit2O" wrote in message
I have a laptop with a 1GHz hard drive and am using PS CS2 (Windows XP Pro SP2). I also have two external USB drives (40GB and 360GB). Both have a higher RPM than my C: drive. I don’t understand how scartch drives work – so I’m asking 1. How they work and 2. Recommendations for how to set up my scratch disks. Thank you.

1 GHz hard drive?

Thank you – I guess, until I get a newer PC, I’m out of luck.

PS uses scratch disks to supplement RAM, they store the temporary files you create when working with PS. Ideally they should be on a different drive or partition to where Windows keeps its page file, which would rule out C drive, in an ideal situation. They can be put on different partitions if the HD is big enough but separate drives are the way to go, even better if on different channels when using IDE’s. With this set up you would not have read/write conflicts between the Windows page file and the PS temp file. External USB drives are orders of magnitude slower than internal HD’s, irrespective of spin speed, due to the method of data transfer, so they would not be suitable for use as scratch discs.

MH
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Mike Hyndman
Dec 13, 2006
"Fruit2O" wrote in message
On Tue, 12 Dec 2006 17:02:58 -0000, "Mike Hyndman" <tell me yours and I’ll send > wrote:

"Fruit2O" wrote in message
I have a laptop with a 1GHz hard drive and am using PS CS2 (Windows XP Pro SP2). I also have two external USB drives (40GB and 360GB). Both have a higher RPM than my C: drive. I don’t understand how scartch drives work – so I’m asking 1. How they work and 2. Recommendations for how to set up my scratch disks. Thank you.

1 GHz hard drive?

Thank you – I guess, until I get a newer PC, I’m out of luck.

Yup, looks that way;(
I use a laptop to show what is what "on the road" as it were and use a desktop for the serious stuff. The upside being, you can put together a serious desktop for running PS for around half the price of an equivalent laptop.

regards

Mike H
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Fruit2O
Dec 13, 2006
1 GHz hard drive?

Thank you – I guess, until I get a newer PC, I’m out of luck.

Yup, looks that way;(
I use a laptop to show what is what "on the road" as it were and use a desktop for the serious stuff. The upside being, you can put together a serious desktop for running PS for around half the price of an equivalent laptop.

regards

Mike H
BTW, I meant to say 1GHz processor. Next summer, I want to build my "serious" desktop. Can you give me some recommendations? I’ve never done this before. How is yours configured? Thanks.
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Mike Hyndman
Dec 13, 2006
"Fruit2O" wrote in message
1 GHz hard drive?

Thank you – I guess, until I get a newer PC, I’m out of luck.

Yup, looks that way;(
I use a laptop to show what is what "on the road" as it were and use a desktop for the serious stuff. The upside being, you can put together a serious desktop for running PS for around half the price of an equivalent laptop.

regards

Mike H
BTW, I meant to say 1GHz processor. Next summer, I want to build my "serious" desktop. Can you give me some recommendations? I’ve never done this before. How is yours configured? Thanks.

Mine’s a two year old ;( AMD 2.2GHz processor with 1GB Ram on a Gigabyte M/B. and an old 128 Matrox card.
It is housed in a large tower case contaning two optical drives, one of which is a DvD burner.
It also houses two removable harddrive caddies (only one in service as master at any one time) with the OS of choice
installed on each, (Maxtor 120GB) all my apps, internet etc., is installed on one. The other only has PS on it.(no internet, therefore no anti virus etc., running in the background, slowing things down, I "slave" this drive once a week and check it with the other drive’s AV systems) and no problems found in the two years I have been using this setup. This wouldn’t be to everyone’s taste, but it’s worked for me. The PC also has two internal hard drives (Maxtor 80GB) used for scratch and storage etc. I will replace the MB and processor when one or the other fall over (if I can justify the cost ;)) I shoot in RAW and save file this plus any PSD and any JPG that I save from it and save them onto CD. I view it all on a 19" EIZO crt monitor.

Your question is one that pops up frequently in the Adobeforums (the dudes you read in this NG, but who cannot see posts to this NG), below is an answer to a recent one,

" quote; As the others have said, the choices you have are many and much is driven by budget, planned use, etc. True, you can search the forum, but, as a quick rundown for something not too terribly expensive, I’d suggest something like the following, using approximate Newegg prices:

MB – Asus P5B-E, supports RAID and up to 8GB DDR2-800 memory @ $155 CPU – Intel Core 2 Duo 6600 (2.4GHz with 4MB cache) @ $315 DDRAM – Corsair XMS2 TWIN2X2048-6400C4, 2GB dual channel kit @ $300

Video Card – XFX Geforce 6800XT 256MB GDDR3 PCI Express x16 Video Card @ $135 (or most any card in this price range, letting outputs guide your choice…dual DVI?…DVI+Analog?…etc.) You don’t need the latest, greatest for PS support. 256MB should be more than enough video memory for PS use, even with dual monitors.

Sound Card? – Motherboard has built-in audio which may more than suffice for your needs.

Wireless? – None on motherboard, but under $100 to add via PCI expansion.

Ethernet? – Motherboard has it

Hard Drives – How much space do you really need? RAID option provided by motherboard but not essential, and you could save about $20 if you left off RAID support and went with ASUS P5B rather than the "-E" version. Two good fast hard drives are recommended, but you might even consider three. Western Digital Raptors have perhaps the best performance but run hotter and are only available up to 150GB. Many choices, but I’ll suggest 3 x 320GB Seagate Barracuda 7200.10 SATA 3.0GB/s hard drives at $95 each…. $285

Optical Drives – A pair of DVD burners although one may be enough. LG 16X DVD
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Fruit2O
Dec 14, 2006
BTW, I meant to say 1GHz processor. Next summer, I want to build my "serious" desktop. Can you give me some recommendations? I’ve never done this before. How is yours configured? Thanks.

Mine’s a two year old ;( AMD 2.2GHz processor with 1GB Ram on a Gigabyte M/B. and an old 128 Matrox card.
It is housed in a large tower case contaning two optical drives, one of which is a DvD burner.
It also houses two removable harddrive caddies (only one in service as master at any one time) with the OS of choice
installed on each, (Maxtor 120GB) all my apps, internet etc., is installed on one. The other only has PS on it.(no internet, therefore no anti virus etc., running in the background, slowing things down, I "slave" this drive once a week and check it with the other drive’s AV systems) and no problems found in the two years I have been using this setup. This wouldn’t be to everyone’s taste, but it’s worked for me. The PC also has two internal hard drives (Maxtor 80GB) used for scratch and storage etc. I will replace the MB and processor when one or the other fall over (if I can justify the cost ;)) I shoot in RAW and save file this plus any PSD and any JPG that I save from it and save them onto CD. I view it all on a 19" EIZO crt monitor.
Your question is one that pops up frequently in the Adobeforums (the dudes you read in this NG, but who cannot see posts to this NG), below is an answer to a recent one,

" quote; As the others have said, the choices you have are many and much is driven by budget, planned use, etc. True, you can search the forum, but, as a quick rundown for something not too terribly expensive, I’d suggest something like the following, using approximate Newegg prices:
MB – Asus P5B-E, supports RAID and up to 8GB DDR2-800 memory @ $155 CPU – Intel Core 2 Duo 6600 (2.4GHz with 4MB cache) @ $315 DDRAM – Corsair XMS2 TWIN2X2048-6400C4, 2GB dual channel kit @ $300
Video Card – XFX Geforce 6800XT 256MB GDDR3 PCI Express x16 Video Card @ $135 (or most any card in this price range, letting outputs guide your choice…dual DVI?…DVI+Analog?…etc.) You don’t need the latest, greatest for PS support. 256MB should be more than enough video memory for PS use, even with dual monitors.

Sound Card? – Motherboard has built-in audio which may more than suffice for your needs.

Wireless? – None on motherboard, but under $100 to add via PCI expansion.
Ethernet? – Motherboard has it

Hard Drives – How much space do you really need? RAID option provided by motherboard but not essential, and you could save about $20 if you left off RAID support and went with ASUS P5B rather than the "-E" version. Two good fast hard drives are recommended, but you might even consider three. Western Digital Raptors have perhaps the best performance but run hotter and are only available up to 150GB. Many choices, but I’ll suggest 3 x 320GB Seagate Barracuda 7200.10 SATA 3.0GB/s hard drives at $95 each…. $285
Optical Drives – A pair of DVD burners although one may be enough. LG 16X DVD±R Super-Multi DVD Burner Model GSA-H10N @ $30 each… $60
Case – With or without power supply? Without P/S allows you to optimize the Power Supply for your projected power needs, overall quality, etc., but a case with p/s may be a better value and still provide a good p/s. For now I’ll suggest a popular case & P/S combo that seems popular for being quiet and well designed, the Antec Sonata II with 450-watt P/S @ $100
Thats $1180 total, and should be a pretty good system I’d think. Mouse, keyboard, monitor remain to be chosen or moved from existing system.
I don’t know what to recommend among currently available CRT monitors, and many people are steering toward LCDs although calibrating them may be trickier. I’m presently using a calibrated Iiyama 19" Vision Master 450 CRT for image edited, supplemented by a 19" Samsung 930B LCD. But, I’ve got a 24" BenQ FP241W LCD ($800) on the way that I hope will calibrate nicely and work well for Photoshop use, allowing me to dispense with the CRT while moving the Samsung to another PC. The CRT may stay nearby however…we’ll see. $720 should buy a pretty nice 19" CRT and LCD combo I’d bet, bringing the total to $2000 so far.

Other considerations? Wacom tablet at $250 and up for the Intuos varieties. A colorimeter for calibrating your monitors is worth the price, especially if using an LCD monitor and the PANTONE Huey might be a good start at $73. I use the Monaco Optix XR which starts at around $220 depending upon the package you go with."

How deep are your pockets? 😉

Regards

Mike H
Thanks for taking the time to answer in such detail – I really appreciate it. I have a few questions – but am recuperating from an operation on my head and it is very painful – so I will wait to ask them until I feel better (if you don’t mind monitoring this thread for a few days more). I am 62 years old and PS and photography are my only hobbies (such with the head pain). Fortunately, I think I will be able to afford the very best next year (since I can’t do anything else). One thing I’m looking for is the quad processor and a lot of memory.

Best regards, Bob Onysko
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Mike Hyndman
Dec 14, 2006
"Fruit2O" wrote in message
BTW, I meant to say 1GHz processor. Next summer, I want to build my "serious" desktop. Can you give me some recommendations? I’ve never done this before. How is yours configured? Thanks.

Mine’s a two year old ;( AMD 2.2GHz processor with 1GB Ram on a Gigabyte M/B. and an old 128 Matrox card.
It is housed in a large tower case contaning two optical drives, one of which is a DvD burner.
It also houses two removable harddrive caddies (only one in service as master at any one time) with the OS of choice
installed on each, (Maxtor 120GB) all my apps, internet etc., is installed on one. The other only has PS on it.(no internet, therefore no anti virus etc., running in the background, slowing things down, I "slave" this drive once a week and check it with the other drive’s AV systems) and no problems
found in the two years I have been using this setup. This wouldn’t be to everyone’s taste, but it’s worked for me. The PC also has two internal hard
drives (Maxtor 80GB) used for scratch and storage etc. I will replace the MB
and processor when one or the other fall over (if I can justify the cost ;))
I shoot in RAW and save file this plus any PSD and any JPG that I save from
it and save them onto CD. I view it all on a 19" EIZO crt monitor.
Your question is one that pops up frequently in the Adobeforums (the dudes you read in this NG, but who cannot see posts to this NG), below is an answer to a recent one,

" quote; As the others have said, the choices you have are many and much is
driven by budget, planned use, etc. True, you can search the forum, but, as
a quick rundown for something not too terribly expensive, I’d suggest something like the following, using approximate Newegg prices:
MB – Asus P5B-E, supports RAID and up to 8GB DDR2-800 memory @ $155 CPU – Intel Core 2 Duo 6600 (2.4GHz with 4MB cache) @ $315 DDRAM – Corsair XMS2 TWIN2X2048-6400C4, 2GB dual channel kit @ $300
Video Card – XFX Geforce 6800XT 256MB GDDR3 PCI Express x16 Video Card @ $135 (or most any card in this price range, letting outputs guide your choice…dual DVI?…DVI+Analog?…etc.) You don’t need the latest, greatest
for PS support. 256MB should be more than enough video memory for PS use, even with dual monitors.

Sound Card? – Motherboard has built-in audio which may more than suffice for
your needs.

Wireless? – None on motherboard, but under $100 to add via PCI expansion.
Ethernet? – Motherboard has it

Hard Drives – How much space do you really need? RAID option provided by motherboard but not essential, and you could save about $20 if you left off
RAID support and went with ASUS P5B rather than the "-E" version. Two good fast hard drives are recommended, but you might even consider three. Western
Digital Raptors have perhaps the best performance but run hotter and are only available up to 150GB. Many choices, but I’ll suggest 3 x 320GB Seagate
Barracuda 7200.10 SATA 3.0GB/s hard drives at $95 each…. $285
Optical Drives – A pair of DVD burners although one may be enough. LG 16X DVD
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Fruit2O
Dec 14, 2006
Best regards, Bob Onysko

Bob,
You old dog you 😉 I thought I’d seen the "handle" before. Get well soon.

Regards

Mike H

I only change the ‘handle’ once in a while because of fear of stolen identity.

Bob
MH
Mike Hyndman
Dec 15, 2006
"Fruit2O" wrote in message
Best regards, Bob Onysko

Bob,
You old dog you 😉 I thought I’d seen the "handle" before. Get well soon.

Regards

Mike H

I only change the ‘handle’ once in a while because of fear of stolen identity.
Bob,

Why "Fruit"?

MH
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Fruit2O
Dec 15, 2006
On Fri, 15 Dec 2006 00:02:27 -0000, "Mike Hyndman" <tell me yours and I’ll send > wrote:

"Fruit2O" wrote in message
Best regards, Bob Onysko

Bob,
You old dog you 😉 I thought I’d seen the "handle" before. Get well soon.

Regards

Mike H

I only change the ‘handle’ once in a while because of fear of stolen identity.
Bob,

Why "Fruit"?

MH
It was the first thing tht came to my mind. Fruit2O is a soft drink.
MH
Mike Hyndman
Dec 15, 2006
"Fruit2O" wrote in message
On Fri, 15 Dec 2006 00:02:27 -0000, "Mike Hyndman" <tell me yours and I’ll send > wrote:

"Fruit2O" wrote in message
Best regards, Bob Onysko

Bob,
You old dog you 😉 I thought I’d seen the "handle" before. Get well soon.

Regards

Mike H

I only change the ‘handle’ once in a while because of fear of stolen identity.
Bob,

Why "Fruit"?

MH
It was the first thing tht came to my mind. Fruit2O is a soft drink.

Aaahh, I see.

MH

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