Can GeForce 8800GTS increase Photoshop performance? Best hardware upgrade?

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prodesma
Jan 23, 2007
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I’m starting to process more and more digital photos and want a faster throughput. I’m willing to spend a little to upgrade my rig for better photo editing performance. What would be the single best hardware upgrade for me?

I’m considering getting 10k Raptor drive(s), upgrading my video card, or getting 2GB more (DDR PC-4000 500 MHz) memory sticks now that Photoshop can utilize more than the 2GB max… I’m just not crazy about buying $200 more fast DDR mem, since I know my next puter build would be AM2 w/ DDR2 or DDR3 RAM…

I read a review of the NVIDIA 8800 GTS and GTX cards on Gamepyre. This review made mention of some new graphic engine technology which may move some "physics" CPU functions to the GPU- or SHARE them to increase performance! Sorry, loyal ATI fans (I know Adobe owns ATI now). Quote from Gamepyre <(http://www.gamepyre.com/reviewsd.html?aid=783&p=8)>:

"DirectX 10 hardware can also do Physics Shading. Physics is normally done on the CPU. With most CPUs, the number of onscreen objects bouncing around, the number of particles being displayed on the screen etc is limited by the CPU. The GeForce 8800 can do Physics Shading to alleviate the burden on the CPU and move it to the graphics card. The Havok Physics engine and the Physics Shader in DirectX 10 allow the physics to be done on the graphics card and the CPU together."

Can anybody tell me from experience or expertise whether the GeForce 8800 chipset improvements affect Photoshop performance? How much? I know most pixel shading, vertex shading, and physics (3D) is for gaming, 3D modeling, or animation. But I don’t KNOW if it will benefit me AT ALL, so I’m asking for help here.

Granted, I’m running a pretty old card (see system specs below). But I’m NOT a gamer, so I know gpu isn’t much of a deal for Photoshop- it’s got 256MB, so it’s the DEFINITE bottleneck for gaming, but my cpu prolly is for Photoshop. I know Photoshop doesn’t require a bleeding edge graphics card to optimize performance, and I got it to xfer analog videos to digital.

I’m guessing I’ll prolly just get one 150GB Raptor 10k hard drive, put it in my case and use it solely for pics and graphic work files. I’d format it NTFS prolly w/ 64 kb clusters. I got a third Caviar 250GB (7200 rpm), that I’m going to re-format NTFS w/ 32kb clusters and use for full back-up.

My rig:
cpu: AMD Athlon 64 X2 3800+ 2.0GHz Dual Core
ram: 2 x 1GB OCZ Platinum revision 2 500MHz (3-3-2-7)
hdd: RAID 1 (2 x 250GB WD Caviar HDD’s, 7200 rpm, 16MB buffer, SATA II) gpu: ATi ALL-In-Wonder X600 Pro 256MB
app: Adobe CS 2 Premium
Macromedia Studio 8

other info: (I run at 2.68 GHz stable on air cooling when huge workload makes worth doing so). I’m running my RAID 1 with two partitions (on each of the two hard drives), 1st is boot drive (of course!- with required 4096 byte clusters for XP Pro SP2). 2nd partition is 32 kb clusters which helps TREMENDOUSLY on lowering fragmentation, and slightly on seek time/ performance. The RAID 1 also helps a bit on seek time/performance.

Overall, I might estimate RAID 1 plus 32 kb clusters improves Photoshop performance about 10-15%, but can’t test w/o re-formatting my drives. Running my overclock at 2.68 GHz increases performance on more intensive tasks by about 20%, but many tasks it still doesn’t matter.

Thanks for any input. Cheers.

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Michael_D_Sullivan
Jan 23, 2007
Adobe doesn’t own ATI. AMD owns it.

Photoshop doesn’t use the graphics processor for anything but display, even in the CS3 beta.
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Bernie
Jan 23, 2007
You’re better off spending money on memory and disk space if you want to improve the performance of PS
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prodesma
Jan 23, 2007
oh yeah, whoops, Michael Sullivan… I dunno why I was I just thinking Adobe there. Weird. Thanks for the correction. lol

Cybernetic Nomad: that’s what I’m thinking too. But I’ve got 2GB of mem already. And "disk space" I’ve got plenty of.

So, getting a Raptor 10k drive or 2 more fast mem sticks. I figure the extra memory would be able to be used for all the ‘bacckground’ tasks. Or maybe I should just not fiddle with an already pretty decent thing.

So, I am to understand this quote about the 8800 DOES NOT APPLY to Photoshop.

Thanks for the fast replies. Cheers.
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Bernie
Jan 23, 2007
So, I am to understand this quote about the 8800 DOES NOT APPLY to Photoshop.

That’s right, shaders and such things are used by 3D softwares and (3D) games
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dave_milbut
Jan 24, 2007
but there’s an odd little tic box in the cs3 beta prefrences that says something like "use GPU" for something or other. i’m wondering if cs3 will have more in store for offloading some of the more heavy duty lifting onto today’s (tomorrow’s?) super fast GPUS… or vista or 64bit or any/all of the above?

< http://www.pixentral.com/show.php?picture=1936JrSZmFhZkaydoR crjlXrtpU4r>
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Michael_D_Sullivan
Jan 24, 2007
On the beta forum, Chris Cox said that box will be taken out in the released version. He said that at this point there wasn’t enough power available from GPUs yet to make it worthwhile.
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dave_milbut
Jan 24, 2007
ah. thanks mike.
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prodesma
Jan 24, 2007
Wow, thanks all for input. These are exactly the deets I needed to hear from other sources. I’m glad I haven’t dropped a few hundred on a vid card, I’d be upset if it dint speed up PS for me.

It would be nice if PS could optimize functions by offloading some to the gpu. Especially with improved gpu chipsets these days. Things like HDR, lighting, and filter/lens effects… I guess that would be a major workflow change for the app, and I don’t claim to be an expert in software design. So, I’m trusting Adobe knows how to do it best!

I’m figuring on maybe getting one 150GB RaptorX, formatting it NTFS with 128kb clusters and using it for photo and video storage only. I know the clusters alone don’t help performance that much, but it is also much less defrag work weekly.

I can’t find the fast DDR mem around at reasonable prices anymore (2GB kit is still $180 eBay or $250+ new online). I’ll prolly pass, since I’m sure to go DDR2/DDR3 with next rig, as mentioned above.

It’s not really like PS is slow for me, just want faster… ha ha. (don’t we all)… I’m usually only processing 5-20MB files, sometimes batch processing 150-400 MBs at a time…Cheers.
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dave_milbut
Jan 24, 2007
I’d be upset if it dint speed up PS for me.

no but it’ll do wonders for oblivion: elder scrolls! 🙂

I got the geforce 6800 gfx. nice.
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Michael_D_Sullivan
Jan 25, 2007
I’ve got a 7600, dave. It works great in Photoshop, and in Oblivion I can have almost all the graphics options cranked way up. Scenes with lots of wavy grass and leaves, though, bog it down. Now, about the computer I built with my son for his games, with a 7950GX2 …
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dave_milbut
Jan 25, 2007
there’s about 3 or 4 7600 cards. you need the gtx! 🙂 everything is maxed in oblivion and it runs like butter on a hot griddle!

XFX GeForce 7600 GT XXX / 256MB GDDR3 / SLI / PCI Express / Dual DVI / HDTV / Video Card

link to card specs < http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/searchtools/item-det ailsInactive.asp?Sku=P450-7834>
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prodesma
Jan 26, 2007
You guys have all been great for responding. Thanks. I thought I’d toss this out there for Michael (and others?)…

If you’ve got the GeForce 7600 GT, NewEgg < http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E168141430 49&CMP=OTC-d3alcatch3r> & ZipZoomFly < http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/ProductDetail.jsp?ProductCode= 326036&prodlist=pricegrabber> both have them for less than $100 after a $50 rebate!

It’s listed on the page as the "7600 GT", but only the 7600 GT OC is listed on BFG’s site… And ONLY the OC has a core clock of 580 MHz, so I’m guessing this is actually the 7600 GT OC for $145ish (minus $50 = $95ish)…

Ready to go SLI on the cheap?

256MB, 128-bit GDDR3, 580 MHz core clock, 1450 MHz effective mem clock, 12 pipes, 23.2 GB/s, 2560 x 1600, lifetime warranty…

Sure, I’m in SF, CA… So I’d pay sales tax w/ either seller. ZZF = 1 day shipping to me, NewEgg is 2 usually, or 3 day. Great deal anyways. Cheers.
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Bill_Lamp
Jan 27, 2007
Just an e-GeForce 7300 GS here.
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Michael_D_Sullivan
Jan 27, 2007
I have the "Silent" version from ASUS; it has a massive heatsink and heatpipes and no fan, so it is truly silent.

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