OK! avid PS user and love it. I’ve had PS 7 for awhile,well almost too long, and thought that it be time to upgrade. so I DL’d the Demo of PS CS3. I like so many WINDOWS users, YES WINDOWS USERS, have too keep an eye out for viruses, spyware, etc. basically any unwanted services/apps that use up memory or space in a hidden way. Even if it is a microsoft service if I feel it is unnecessary Its GONE, disable etc. So I keep an eye on these things when more When my system starts to STALL for no reason. You may say stalling is a part of windows, this isnt a commercial, its life. AND Vista was running Fine until a few days ago when I installed the CS3 Demo. I tried to Kill the service that was tagged as $$Id_String1.6844F930_1628_4223_B5CC_5BB94B879762$$.
now if a legitmate program installs with a service on windows it will actually name it as or close to the app name. Even viruses are becoming more informative to mask and hide as a legit prgm. so Instantly anything that seems obscure like $$Id_String1.6844F930_1628_4223_B5CC_5BB94B879762$$ is a red flag, where, when and how did it get here. OH WAIT! it is part of Bonjour which has a folder containing mdnsresponder.exe. hmmm! that doesnt seem like a legit app especially when linked to a service like $$Id_String1.6844F930_1628_4223_B5CC_5BB94B879762$$. So Defcon 5 Delete it. well that didnt work, Another flag for spyware/virus. So "it is F8 for windows infections" k enough with the puns. I was able to delete the folder its files and the regkeys necessary to the service.
HURRAY it was gone no more bonjour, no more unwanted spyware program. AND no internet as it F-up’s your DNS access for all 32 bit apps. luckly i have vista 64bit w/ EI64bit. 🙁 no FF though. did a searchy search on google and found that this is supposed to be a legit prgm from Apple for CS3 that messes up you system and logs it down w/ unwanted processes etc. so System restore to b4 and it my net works now again.
Thats my rant. Basically I DONT WANT IT and NOW CS3 is dead to me. the 3D editing w/ PS looked like a cool concept but bonjour isnt worth it. I even checked the Installer to see if there was a Recommended or Custom feature, BUT NOOOOOO its a custom installer that screws you over. THX ADOBE. Up until now everything you’ve done has been kickass and in context with a standup company. Now you are in the league with SONY and Microsoft. "Shh! Big Brother is watching" this is 2007 not 1984. Maybe in spite I will just Download a hack copy of everything Adobe has made just in spite, never use them, just in spite of this event. mln>
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this is a valuable post there, at the end when i checked…
Yakumo 06:43 AM on April 25, 2007 because of the "$$Id_String1.6844F930_1628_4223_B5CC_5BB94B879762$$" service id I’d been annoyed by bonjour after itunes installed it, and it’s how i stumbled into here.
solution I used was simply to download bonjour for windows from < http://www.apple.com/support/downloads/bonjourforwindows.htm l> install it, then immediately use the uninstaller it handilly puts in ‘add/remove programs’. this works cleanly, and on vista too.
Ditto, Mat. Now if I can just figure out why CS3 Bridge beta does a hard restart of XP instead of opening…..I don’t know if Bojour figures in but I have to find out.
larry, a hard restart is usually a hardware error in the process isolated world of xp (or win2k or nt). before jumping to that conclusion though, make sure you don’t have auto-restart on system failure checked (the default) in my computer> properties> advanced> startup and recovery. if it IS checked uncheck it and see if you get an error (blue screen). chekc your system logs too that might point to something.
if you do have a sw problem rather than a hw one, my 1st guess would be video driver needs updating. (and it’s tough to debug with a beta version anyway).
It doesn’t help as uninstalling Bonjour for Windows restores the service setup to the state which the PS3 installation left it in. Perhaps it helped for the beta. The only way is to manually remove the service by editing the registry, which then bombs out the 32bit TCP/IP stack unless special precautions are taken. Adobe simply needs to provide a fix for this.
What exactly is the Bonjour thingy, anyway. I noticed that it showed up in ZoneAlarm after I installed the beta, and I nuked it there. But I don’t really know what it is, but I assume that I don’t want it.
Indeed most people dont need it! When you install any edition of the Adobe Creative Suite 3 family or a Creative Suite 3 component on Windows, Bonjour for Windows is installed as a service on the machine. It is used by Adobe Version Cue CS3 client applications to dynamically discover Version Cue Servers on the local network. So to save resources:
To remove Bonjour (Windows):
1. Open a Windows command prompt and type the following command: "C:\Program Files\Bonjour\mDNSResponder.exe -remove" 2. Navigate to the following folder in Windows Explorer: C:\Program Files\Bonjour 3. Rename the mdnsNSP.dll file in that folder to mdnsNSP.old 4. Restart your computer 5. Delete the the Program Files\Bonjour folder
Note: Removing Bonjour prevents Version Cue clients (Photoshop, Illustrator, InDesign, Flash, Bridge) from automatically discovering Version Cue Servers and Version Cue projects in your local network. You will need to connect manually using Connect to Server and the URL or IP address of the machine running Version Cue Server instead.
The remove command didnt work this way for me. What did: In the command prompt go to folder C:\Program Files\Bonjour And then type: mDNSResponder.exe -remove[/b] Then do the rest of the story.
Thank you very much for giving a more complete definition. I gave a more limited explanation because I was trying to point out that on a Windows machine, Adobe products are not the only possible reason why Bonjour might be installed. Delete it and iTunes sharing stops working. There may well be other Windows applications that also use Bonjour, but I don’t know anything about them, and I suspect that iTunes is installed on a lot more Windows machines than other non-Adobe Bonjour-using apps.
"Removing Bonjour prevents Version Cue clients (Photoshop, Illustrator, InDesign, Flash, Bridge) from automatically discovering Version Cue Servers and Version Cue projects in your local network"
Is bonjour (as a type of networking service) integral to the running of Version Cue? It appears that version Cue needs to be switched on for encore to work.
I have killed the process from startup but I would like to remove it entirely as having any apple related product on a PC makes me feel dirty… very dirty
" having any apple related product on a PC makes me feel dirty… very dirty"
You must feel positively foul, then, just knowing that without Apple, much of what you know as the Windows GUI would not even exist in its current form.
The point is, though, that it took the visionary foresight of Jobs, Woz & company to bring the GUI to the mainstream.
There were smart people everywhere at the same time, that’s not at issue. But even the brilliant folks at Xerox’s PARC just looked at GUI as not much more than a laboratory curiosity, and not something they thought would be so universally viable as a human/computer interface. Why else would they have practically given their intellectual property away?
If Gates, Allen and Company could have done it, why didn’t they? Because as a corporation, they lack the vision Apple has demonstrated time and time again. Their corporate brain just isn’t wired the same way as Apple’s.
To ignore Apple’s leadership in innovation is to ignore the once and future history of the personal computing experience itself, no matter how you personally feel about Apple.
What’s pompous about it? It’s the bloody truth, my own personal allegiance aside.
And I can’t figure out what your second sentence means or refers to.
And you answered your first question with your second one, i.e.: their respective markets made some questionable decisions that are still being hashed about to this day.
My Pop the newscameraman (who worked exclusively with Pro Sony Beta gear) would have filled your ears about the whole Beta/VHS tug-o-war.
But even the brilliant folks at Xerox’s PARC just looked at GUI as not much more than a laboratory curiosity, and not something they thought would be so universally viable as a human/computer interface. Why else would they have practically given their intellectual property away?
Phos, the same reason Apple with a market share of 5% is considered a market leader… Good marketing nothing to do with the products.
Apple does good software but most of it’s hardware sucks
Ms on the other hand does brilliant hardware (hey even Mac world gives away microsoft mice to readers on a monthly basis) and is software is often mediocre…
who care’s what companies did 30 years ago, if they didn’t some else would have sooner or later. just wish both camps would get their shit together with OSX and Vista respectivly.
Not true, Milbut. Microsoft does make hardware and is putting a lot of resources into hardware R&D these days. But whether or not Apple is making hardware, or just pretty boxes to put said hardware in, thats another question.
Mice, keyboards, steering-wheel controllers, flight-sim controllers, xbox/360, zune, … well, 5 out of 6 ain’t bad for a hardware line. I suspect that most MS hardware development other than these is primarily oriented toward creating a path for others to follow and thereby justify new OSs and applications such as games/office.
Dave, Apple doesn’t manufacture a lot of it’s hardware, a lot is just rebadged with a modded firmware so they can charge obscene amounts for it. Graphic cards are a classic example, a card for an old G4 we purchaced at work recently which cost $300 I could get the EXACT same card with the PC firmware and reflashed it for less than $60.
Same case with the XSAN HDD modules, the 500Gig modules are over $800AU. The drives themselves are less than $160 but you can’t use the standard drives because of the Apple firmware loaded on them. Same case with the fibre channel cards marked up 200%+
USB keyboard extenders that come with the apple keyboards can’t be used on any other devices because of a non-standard tab that prevents standard USB devices from fitting.
There is also an insistence on non user replaceable batteries in (AFAIK) all their consumer electronics devices including the new IPhone. Be buggered if I’ll spend an obscene amount on a phone that will die before the end of it’s usable life because it needs a new battery that will cost 50% of the initial price to replace.
"apple makes fantastic hardware. which is why it’s generally double the cost of a similarly equipped intel/ms box."
No, I believe you are the reason that Apple prices their devices like that.
Maybe some day there will be a brand of candy only compatible with a small percentage of human mouths that will be sold for 900 dollars a bag and everyone will swear that the sugar in that candy is superior to M&Ms. What do you think?
All I say to apple is get a temp sensor that works….I’m tired of having my main quad core used as a hair dryer on boot.
or just to leave my startup files alone when I update quicktime on my PC. I don’t want the apple mobile devices service running BECAUSE I DONT HAVE ANY….
I’d agree about the latest iTunes install. They lobbed a few new services on my machine for devices I don’t have. An install that asked me what I want to install would be a lot better.
Dunno who should shoulder a bulk of any blame on thisApple or Microsoft, but…
I have all kinds of deep system extensions, libraries, etc on my Macs for hardware I don’t have or services I might never use, but they don’t seem to have any detrimental effect of the operation of the system. If I remove them nothing bad happens, but then again, I don’t gain anything but the free hard drive space. No performance increase.
Sooo, if iTunes or Bonjourfor example, installs stuff on your system that you are likely to never use, who is to blame if the mere presence of those files causes other problems on your system?
Is Windows at fault because it doesn’t just treat these items as transparent until they’re needed, the way the Mac OS does, or is Apple at fault because they didn’t work hard enough to make sure these unused services would cause virtually no trouble with the basic operation of a Windows system? And here, you have to take into account that there are a LOT of significantly different versions of the Windows OS that are still being used by a lot of people. It’s gotta be a tough tangle of compatibilities for Apple to make sure that their stuff will work on all these different Windows system configs.
This is an extraordinarily complex problem, and there’s really nothing to be gained by arguing and assigning varying measures of blame. What every user must do is enough of their own research so that they can get the best performance from their systems, and weigh whether or not it’s worth their time to go and find that info.
It’s NOT fully Apple’s fault that iTunes or Bonjour (again, as just two examples) causes some folks problems. We must remember that there are a lot of folks who don’t have problems, but you just don’t hear from them as often or at the same deafening volume.
But I do agree with this: If it’s possible to do a custom install that will allow users to selectively omit the installation of certain components without affecting the operation of an application as a whole, then by all means, those choices should be put under the user’s control, so long as all of the possible custom installation configurations are as stable as a full "Easy" install.
I think that is the problem for Adobe. Given more time, they could have tested non-standard mixes of features and included these options in the installer. Unfortunately they had to get the bundle out of the door to a deadline that had nothing to do with engineering judgement and everything to do with bean counting.
The thing with the apple services it that it is incredably easy to set them to only start when needed but they don’t bother to do it. It blindly starts the QThelper, apple mobile devices and the Qt tray without any options to remove or stop them. Just annoying. It does impact on performance (if only in a small way) because it’s more memory and more processor time used for things i don’t need. If very piece of software added X services then pretty quickly your systems crawls no matter how fast it is.
As for compatability issues, why does apple get a pass where MS doesn’t? I agree that it is a massive problem, just a pet peeve of mine so feel free not to respond to it.
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